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#1 Sep 19 2010 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't have a bad computer at all. I just want to upgrade it because I can. Now I thought I'd weigh out the options of EXTREMELY substantial upgrading vs building a completely new OMG CRAZY PC. The only thing I really get out of building a new PC different from what I would upgrading is DDR3 RAM, SSD, and more storage space(from the configuration I made). There are a few other things I threw in like an extra monitor and dual video cards because if I'm going to build a new pc I'm going all out. Now I ended up with pretty outstanding price differences(probably obvious) and I think my upgrade plan would be much better since I'll be able to see results sooner. Only problem is in the short run I won't see DDR3 with my upgrade plan. Okay so here's my current PC setup:

RAIDMAX SMILODON Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Case
SIGMA MONSTER SP650C 650W PSU
GIGABYTE GA-MA770-UD3 AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX Motherboard(This now supports AM3 with the new BIOS, also on the box it says AM3)
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic 64-bit
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" HDD
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 1066 RAM
AMD Phenom X4 9650 Agena 2.3GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor OC'D to 2.7GHz
XFX Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB Video Card
LITE-ON 24X DVD-R/CD-R Drive
Some old CD-R Drive I've had for a million years I don't really need anymore but it still works so whatever.

Now here's the new all out everything awesome PC from scratch plan:

LIAN LI PC-A70F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
ASUS M4A89TD AM3 AMD 890FX ATX Motherboard
ASUS ROG MATRIX 5870 Platinum 2GB Video Card x2
CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 1200W PSU
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Processor
Crucial RealSSD C300 128GB SATA III MLC SSD
G.SKILL PI 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" HDD x2(planned on doing RAID 0)
ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor(Already have a 22" 720p which would be used also)
LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner WH10LS30
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Thermaltake Frio CPU Cooler
G.SKILL FTB-3500C5-D Memory Cooling Fans

That would be awesome to have and all, but it totals a whopping $3,109.86 before shipping. Ouch. So I have pretty much decided that I should stick to upgrading. Here is my current plan for upgrading, I also plan on switching to a 6000 series Video Card, probably 6800 or 6900 series later:

LIAN LI PC-A70F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 1200W PSU
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Processor
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Thermaltake Frio CPU Cooler
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 1066 RAM(to make 8GB total)

This, though not as impressive, is only $985.94. I figure I can get the case and psu first, then add the rest piece by piece. If I were to go with the full new PC it probably wouldn't get built for 2-3 years, where I can manage this upgrade in the next 6 months probably. I'm also hoping prices will drop after Christmas since I plan on doing this after the new year.

I mainly just posted this out of boredom, but if anyone has any suggestions that could be equally as good for less money for my upgrade, or ideas I could always use the help. This is my first major upgrade to my PC and I want to make sure it's done well.






Edited, Sep 19th 2010 8:19pm by BRizzl3
#2 Sep 19 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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1200W is highly excessive, and if you're getting a good brand which you, expensive. I have 2 GTX 285's which draw more power than 5870's and I use 1000W without any issues at all. Also, for that amount of money it seems like you're patching weak spots on your PC, when with the parts you already have you can just rebuild a whole new PC with some key upgrades to future proof your PC. 4 GB of RAM is more than enough for most people. If this is for gaming, then don't buy more RAM. If you do other things for recreation or work that do require more then by all means get it. But 4+GB of RAM is useless for I'd say 90% of computer users.

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Can't post links here or directly suggest anything but yeah. I'm personally an Intel guy. I don't care for AMD's 6 core CPUs specifically. Most games and programs cannot take full advantage of that. 4 cores is more than enough, and Intel has better CPUs for overclocking. If you're going to invest in a high end CPU cooler like you say, I'd go for an Intel and overclock that baby. I have an i7 920 running at 3.6GHz and it's a beast.

In regards to your mentioning of SSD's, they're really not going to do anything to make FFXIV run better. Having said that, my SSD was my absolute favorite purchase. For the longest time, hard drives have been the bottleneck in computers. It made the most noticable change for me and I love it. The Intel-X25 is a good one, reasonably priced too and you should be able to get your OS, games and programs on the 74GB of useable space on it.

As you said, your computer now isn't terrible, but you would benefit from some upgrades. If I were you, I'd get a new motherboard that supports DDR3 RAM, make sure it's triple channel and not dual. Get an i5 or i7 Intel chip and high end CPU cooler to overclock it. Get a new power supply (800-1000W should be enough for your needs), and either pick up a second 5770 or replace it with one or two 5870's.

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225

Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182096

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226063

Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186171

Those are all good quality high end parts that cost $700 together. You can throw in a 2nd 5770 for another $140. Bringing the total to $840 with shipping included. There's no tax with Newegg, unless you live in CA I think? I'm not sure, but in NYC here there's no tax.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 9:00pm by Jeraziah

Edited, Sep 20th 2010 6:32am by Kaolian
#3 Sep 19 2010 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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True, you don't have a bad computer, and there is nothing wrong with upgrading it, but unfortunately, those upgrades you've listed for ~$985 won't do much if anything to boost your PCs performance, aside from the new CPU.

I'm not knocking your plans, but your money would be much better spent on simply upgrading your GPU/CPU first, then buying the other items listed if you're just looking to spend money. No sense in waiting around for the next gen AMD GPU (6000 series), as there is really no such thing as future proofing, and if you want to enjoy something, you might as well enjoy it now. As far as ddr3 vs ddr2, there really isn't much of a difference in performance, and 4gb is generally more than enough for most people, unless you plan on doing some serious multitasking.

Personally, I have a somewhat modest computer.. hd 5870, i7-920 at 4.0, 6gb corsair dominator, corsair 750w psu, evga x58 sli le mobo, coolermaster haf 922 case, noctua nh-u12p se2 cpu cooler, win7 64bit.. and it runs everything I throw at it.. I'm getting 60+ fps in FFXIV. (I spent a little over $1000 for this setup)

So yea.. as far as where to spend your money, that's up to you, but keep in mind the core components are going to offer you the biggest performance increases, gpu/cpu..

Another idea.. if you're planning on OCing, look into the Coolermaster V6-GT, it's new and has some of the best air cooling capabilities.. only $65 with free shipping on Amazon.
#4 Sep 19 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Default
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I'm in the same boat, i have a Phenom 9600 and have considered bumping up to a phenom 2, but you run into the same issue i do.

The mobo you have, the GIGABYTE GA-MA770-UD3 AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX Motherboard has only a FSB of 2600MHz Hyper Transport(5200 MT/s). Where as the Phenom II x6 uses up to 4000MHz. So while you could mount and use a X6, you couldnt use its full power with your existing Mobo.

I have this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130266&cm_re=msi_785gt-e63-_-13-130-266-_-Product so, if i got an x6 i would run into the same issue.

My GF just built herself a PC with an I5, a 5830, and this [link="MSI Mobo"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130291[/link] Her total build was under 1k, and i can post the rest of it if you like.
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#5 Sep 19 2010 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the insight guys. Never been good at being thrifty lol.

@Jeraziah: Wow I didn't realize I could switch to Intel for so little! I'd contemplated it before but they always seemed so expensive, I guess I didn't take into account how good their quad-cores are. Odd, since I'd seen benchmarks for them where they far surpassed AMD. Thanks a lot! I wanted 1600 RAM if I upgraded to DDR3 though so I'm gonna use a tri-channel kit with that... I'll be using the mobo, PSU, and processor you suggested, but with this RAM:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226030

I might still get a new case, not sure yet. With just the processor, PSU, RAM, and mobo though this comes out to $729.86 so it's much better. By the time I buy it this stuff will probably drop in price a little bit too since I'm waiting for the new year. Do you know any good CPU coolers that will fit in a mid-tower case and work with that i7 in case I decide not to upgrade? I don't want to use a stock CPU cooler this time around.

EDIT: Changed PSU to this, was only another $15:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211


Edited, Sep 20th 2010 12:11am by BRizzl3
#6 Sep 19 2010 at 10:16 PM Rating: Good
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An i7 cooler for a mid size tower? Check out the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus. I've just recently bought one myself. It has rave reviews and costs only $30 depending on where you shop. I think I got mine from Amazon.

I've overclocked my i7 930 to 4.0 GHz with it and get decent temperatures even living in a hot and humid environment. It comes with one fan and you can attach another fan to it for some great cooling. If you haven't mounted a custom heatsink before, the process may be a tad overwhelming. Luckily, CoolerMaster has some videos up on YouTube to guide you through the process.
#7 Sep 19 2010 at 10:35 PM Rating: Good
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The i7-930 or 920 are great CPUs, especially if you're looking to overclock. But depending on what you're going to use it for, it's probably not likely that most people will truly utilize the 1366 series chips. What really sets them apart from the 1156 chips is HT capability, where the chips adds 4 virtual cores to a sum of 8 total cores. Sounds impressive, but unfortunately, it's not necessary for gaming, as very few games even utilize 4 cores. Also, the 1366 chips can use triple channel ram, which is a plus too I suppose, but won't typically be noticed with gaming.

To be honest, you would probably be better off buying into an i5-760, you'll save a little bit of money on the cpu, mobo, and ram to spend on a nicer gpu. And as far as performance, aside from not having HT, the i5-750/760 is very comparable to the i7-920/930.

If you're curious.. here's a quick build for ~$900 plus some xtra money in rebates. I put together a very similar system recently for my bro so he could start gaming.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500724
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492796
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150477
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

btw.. I mentioned the Cooler Master v6-gt cpu cooler.. one of the best performing air coolers.
$65 on Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-V6-Multi-Socket-CPU/dp/B003XNG6LI/ref=sr_1_1?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1284956945&sr=8-1
review here - http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1352/6/
#8 Sep 19 2010 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
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DDR2 isn't the only thing worth upgrading from. There's also USB 3.0, SATA @ 6GBs and bigger bandwidth for PCIe.

Also, as others here have mentioned you can currently buy a very capable machine for around ~$1500.

But I'm really interested in the new intel chips (that will use a new mobo 1155) AND the new ATI/AMD 6000 series video cards, so I personally wouldn't do a gigantic upgrade just yet.

#9 Sep 20 2010 at 5:21 AM Rating: Decent
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With AMD and Intel releasing new chips later this year and ATI's 6xxx series GPUs on the way before years end it's a bad time to build a new PC.
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#10 Sep 20 2010 at 5:34 AM Rating: Good
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On the contrary, it's never a bad time to build a PC.. there's practically no such thing as future proofing, and price differences on current stock versus a few months from now will be nominal. There is always going to be bigger and better stuff coming out in a few months.. that's just how the computer industry operates. If anything, waiting to buy the next best thing isn't going to do anything except empty your wallet even quicker with the new price premiums.
#11 Sep 20 2010 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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But I'm really interested in the new intel chips (that will use a new mobo 1155) AND the new ATI/AMD 6000 series video cards, so I personally wouldn't do a gigantic upgrade just yet.


I'm not building it quite yet, this is an upgrade I'm starting to plan for beginning of next year. I'm probably going to swap my video card out for a 6700 or 6800 series, which are supposed to start releasing next month. Everything I'm putting on my wish list right now is subject to change. As for the new intel socket, I'm not too worried about it as I'm sure when it first releases(rumored Q3 2011) the worthwhile CPUs for it will be overpriced so I wouldn't look into getting one right away anyhow.

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On the contrary, it's never a bad time to build a PC.. there's practically no such thing as future proofing, and price differences on current stock versus a few months from now will be nominal. There is always going to be bigger and better stuff coming out in a few months.. that's just how the computer industry operates. If anything, waiting to buy the next best thing isn't going to do anything except empty your wallet even quicker with the new price premiums.


Exactly. If anything the smartest thing to do is buy the best of the older products right when the new ones come out and the prices drop. Buying parts immediately when they are released is a waste of money. Look at the newest intel chips, $700 more than the price of the i7 950 for the newest quad-core or the new six-core.

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An i7 cooler for a mid size tower? Check out the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus. I've just recently bought one myself. It has rave reviews and costs only $30 depending on where you shop. I think I got mine from Amazon.


Gonna add this to my wish list too, hopefully it will fit with a second fan added.


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