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#1 Sep 20 2010 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I was just curious because I sometimes browse around the server forums looking at various linkshells that have been started in preparation for FFXIV, and I see some say "Ventrillo required" or something that the linkshell wants their members to all have some kind of voice chat function. Now I know voice chat will probably be a big help in FFXIV (or any mmo for that matter), but typing is just something I always did and I can't see myself ever using a voice chat function.

So basically my question to all of you members of the ZAM community is this: How many of you will stay with just typing to communicate with others in FFXIV? Maybe give a little explanation as to why you're sticking with typing, so others checking this topic out can see the reasons people decide to just type all the time. My reason is simply: I am just used to typing and personally it is just easier for me.
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Generally Vent is used for grouping, bosses etc (whatever the equivalent will be in XIV). Some people like to sit on it socialising the whole time they play, others (like myself) prefer to save vent for when it's needed.

Either are fine, but when people say it's required, they're generally (one would hope) only referring to the times when you'll be coordinating as a group and voice chat is just easier/faster in the heat of the moment/battle etc.

I'm like you, I much prefer typing, but I wouldn't let the idea of Vent put you off your gaming experience :)

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#3 Sep 20 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I know me and my sister will for sure. My reasoning is because quite honestly I don't need someone yelling in my ear during a video game and quite frankly many people tend to be yellers than talkers which gets annoying as ****. It can be helpful no doubt about it but at the same time it's more annoying because when I play a video game even an MMO I just want to relax with people do the events and listen to the in-game music and sounds.

I'm used to typing more and I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
#4 Sep 20 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't plan to use Ventrillo. I'd rather have the tv or music on while i play. In my experience vent turns into 2-3 people just talking about their day.
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I will probably only type at least for awhile. The reason is that I am so used to just typeing. I play games on xbox live and talk to friends with a mic on that but typeing makes it less akward when talking to people you do not know.
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I use both if the linkshell I'm in at the time has ventrillo. But Honestly, I'll probably only use ventrillo during events. I may keep it on in the background, but i wont use it as a main communication device while I'm crafting, leveing, etc.

I had a few experiences in closed and open beta of a linkshell I was in where the first few people in the linkshell new each other from FFXI and they completed ignored anyone that did not use ventrillo. That should never happen. If someone typed a question to those people in the linkshell they would reply in ventrillo. I would constantly have to remind them that only 5-6 people were in vent compared to the 30 or so people that were in the linkshell. and they would still not bother typing a response. If linkshells are going to do this, they will not succeed imo. Sure people like Vent, I do. But i like typing also.
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I have no plans to use vent anytime soon...I'd ignore any LS saying "Vent required" and wanting me to fill out an application to join, but that's me.

My LS in XI used it, but mainly it was for socializing. Some only got on for events. Mostly we just bs'd and had a good time with it...
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I like headsets myself, but being as this game doesn't have integrated voice chat like some other MMOs, it's not likely that I'm gonna be doing much talking unless I'm with a LS doing some important levequests that requires some crazy coordination that typing wouldn't be able to accomplish.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with typing.. then again, I use the keyboard+mouse anyways.. Although, I can definately see how voice chat integration could be great for those who use controllers.

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I don't have a mic, so... Yeah, I'll be sticking to typing. :x
I'm not much of a speaker anyway.
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#10 Sep 20 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Default
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zeruin wrote:
I like headsets myself, but being as this game doesn't have integrated voice chat like some other MMOs.. so unfortunately, it's not likely that I'm gonna be doing much talking unless I'm with a LS doing some important levequests that requires some crazy coordination that typing wouldn't be able to accomplish.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with typing.. then again, I use the keyboard+mouse anyways.. Although, I can definately see how voice chat integration could be great for those who use controllers.


You can convey what you want with text and voice. Unless you type 3 wpm that is.
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I had a few experiences in closed and open beta of a linkshell I was in where the first few people in the linkshell new each other from FFXI and they completed ignored anyone that did not use ventrillo. That should never happen. If someone typed a question to those people in the linkshell they would reply in ventrillo. I would constantly have to remind them that only 5-6 people were in vent compared to the 30 or so people that were in the linkshell. and they would still not bother typing a response. If linkshells are going to do this, they will not succeed imo. Sure people like Vent, I do. But i like typing also.


This. I don't like Vent because this happened to my LS in FFXI. A third to half of the LS was on vent, the other half never were on it. The vent group became a big clique and people who weren't in vent were excluded from their activities. It ended up becoming a pretty big issue, when those in the vent clique began gossiping about the people not in vent. Ever since this, vent has left a bad taste in my mouth.
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#12 Sep 20 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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MrStyles wrote:

So basically my question to all of you members of the ZAM community is this: How many of you will stay with just typing to communicate with others in FFXIV? Maybe give a little explanation as to why you're sticking with typing, so others checking this topic out can see the reasons people decide to just type all the time. My reason is simply: I am just used to typing and personally it is just easier for me.


If the majority of your shell is talking on vent, it will be very...lonely if you aren't. A lot of people, while on vent, don't pay any attention to shell chatter.
It's something that has taken over most games. I personally have hearing loss, so I experienced this first-hand and I dislike vent for that reason. Nothing I can do to change it tho.
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#13 Sep 20 2010 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I hate ventrilo on all games. I don't want to hear your nerdy voices distracting me mid-fight.
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when people say ventrillo is required, 90% of the people are just on ventrillo to listen to directions, and dont ever even talk or own a mic, so you can still get ventrillo to listen to the party leader coordinate the group, and you can put in your two-bits through good old fashion typing :) so dont worry too much about when people say ventrillo is required, they general dont require that you talk through the program just listen !
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I'm more for the typing when needed myself. Vent can be handy in the right situation, but shouldn't be mandatory. It can speed things up nicely even in a small group situation, but a lot of that can just depend on how 'used' to playing with the other person you are.

Find I don't mind listening on a vent, but if there is too much chatter over it, it's just distracting.
#16 Sep 20 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Default
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demegod wrote:
when people say ventrillo is required, 90% of the people are just on ventrillo to listen to directions, and dont ever even talk or own a mic, so you can still get ventrillo to listen to the party leader coordinate the group, and you can put in your two-bits through good old fashion typing :) so dont worry too much about when people say ventrillo is required, they general dont require that you talk through the program just listen !


And for those with hearing loss/impaired? That's why I hated MMOs as of late..a lot of my friends weren't a ble to get into endgame in FFXI since for some reason leaders lost the ability to type..
#17 Sep 20 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Default
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Personally i plan on making a linkshell and it most likely will not require voice chat, but i think when we start doing end-game stuff, we will start voice chatting, makes things easier. But i don't think it should be a requirement for just socializing. I love typing for socializing, but when in the heat of a battle, it's hard to type and fight at the same time.. for me at least.
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I've never used voice chat. I can see myself using it sometime down the road for really complex stuff but otherwise typing works fine... unless you are crafting (cursed crafting chat interrupts)

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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
I've never used voice chat. I can see myself using it sometime down the road for really complex stuff but otherwise typing works fine... unless you are crafting (cursed crafting chat interrupts)

Edited, Sep 20th 2010 1:55pm by Olorinus


Indeed that sucks....I found myself playing a mini-game within the mini-game to try and quickly type up a response before the chat log closed again
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I reserve voice chat for business conversations or conversations with close friends only. I'm avoiding Vent as I have no interest in hearing someone yap at me while I'm playing, especially considering the quality is so poor on it.

Any LS I will be involved in will be typing-exclusive for the most part.
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#21 Sep 20 2010 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
I don't have a problem with vent but I prefer typing since it includes everyone and I hate repeating myself.

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I have no plans to use vent anytime soon...I'd ignore any LS saying "Vent required" and wanting me to fill out an application to join, but that's me.


Any LS that requires an application is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too into themselves.

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Edit: Double post, stupid work PC

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#23 Sep 20 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't do vent. Nothing in particular against people who use it, I'm just not interested. Same goes for submitting a job application to join a linkshell. I've done it in the past and it was ok for a bit, but eventually those shells end up feeling like a second job and I'm not interested in going through that again. Getting too old for that stuff now :D
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The one thing I would say about ffxiv in comparison to ffxi in terms of vent vs typing is that given teh nature of the battle system in ffxiv and it's constant need for user input, typing is a horrible system of communication. I read and type pretty fast (if not always the most accurately) but alot of people don't, and given the trouble I have communicating with people in the middle of a battle or a craft synthesis I can fully understand people preferring to rely on a voice system like vent. Pressing one button and saying something is alot easier than opening the chat prompt and typing the information you need to convey.

I don't even see how SE could alleviate this problem short of changing the core system of the game..

To be honest though I don't think it will be too long of a wait before someone makes a third party program that ATLEAST does a default attack when the stamina bar is full to make up for the lack of auto attacks.
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#26 Sep 20 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Our linkshell had a conversation about vent vs non-vent and the consensus was that since some wanted it but most didn't, we wouldn't 'offically' support it (although if people wanted to set up a server and talk with themselves, the more power to 'em). The bulk of the shell would communicate through forums and chat, so that everybody could know what was going on without feeling required to invest in hardware. we'd re-look at vent when we hit end-game, if the fights were so tough that we needed instant command changes.

and that was that, for us.
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I dislike vent (or mandatory vent anyway)personally. It requires me to turn all my other noises off (bg music, mp3, tv, etc).

Also, people who love vent in my experience tend to use an over abundance of netspeak when they are forced to type, which I find really irksome. So it's like a lose-lose.

I'm not too concerned though; once PS3 FFXIV comes out, the 'mandatory vent' shells will have to either exclude an entire demographic, -or- learn to type.
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#28 Sep 20 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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I've gone over 7 years in FFXI with out once using Vent or any other similar program. FFXIV will be no different.
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When I started playing FFXI in 2004, I didn't even know what ventrillo was to be honest.
I learned to communicate with others via typing in-game. As far as I know, that's how most people did it.
It wasn't until years later it became prevalent in many newer linkshells/guilds. I was already set in my ways though.
I never even owned a headset before someone in my LS sent me one but I had pretty much stopped playing FFXI by then with FFXIV already being announced. I've hung around a few guilds in the past year and have gotten onto vent at least a fair amount. I've noticed a few things while playing in vent... most of the chat rarely has anything to do with playing the game, and I don't particularly like being flirted with or hit on constantly while I'm playing. Like with everything in life, there are always those that go overboard on everything. I've gone on vent a few times with my new linkshell, but won't usually be on unless there's a specific need for it.
Also, I'd rather throw on iTunes or listen to the radio while playing around in-game.

Edit: I see Renasci posted a few posts above me... we were in the same FFXI LS and we never had any problems with communication without using Vent excessively.

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Main point to vent is to allow quicker and more reliable relaying of information between LS members while in action. Typing slows you down (especially in FFXIV when there is no auto-attack), and chat can be missed if it scrolls by too quickly.

Any other use for vent is typically unnecessary - I'll generally log off after the event ends because I'll want to listen to music or something.
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I have to express a bit of humor at everyone who says "This is how I did it, and this is how I will continue to do it!" You really don't know what you are missing but more than that it just makes me think of elderly people telling kids to get off their lawn...

You are starting to get stuck in your ways...

As I said in my previous post, and as bsphil reiterated... the battle mechanics in ffxiv are burdensome to type through. Do I think the game will be unplayable without vent? no. But I do think it will make certain aspects of the game alot easier to deal with.
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I never see myself ever using such thing...or I should say again, I tried once. I'll never understand what's so great about it. A family member of mine sits around with his headset on nonstop. Every time I walk by or hear the nonsense they talk about, I shake my head or roll my eyes. I just don't get it. *lol*

Also I can't even wear a headset for more than a bit, ears start to hurt. And either way...me's a typer, not a speaker. Me's generally rather calm, and I don't feel like listening to nonsense either. It may be working for other games, but I couldn't imagine FFXI with voice chat, and I can't imagine FFXIV with it. It just feels...out of place, maybe it's just me. On top of it all, it would pretty much break the reason why I play MMORPGs to begin with, being something I cannot be. Speaking would break what my characters are supposed to represent. Yah, complicated stuff (and I don't really talk about it anymore unless people already know or I really have to, since it always causes trouble somehow and makes me feel crappy).

So yea, no silly voice chatting for me ever again. Hopefully me will still find a cozy place to stay.... I remember a scene in Aion (which was the last thing needed for me to pack up and leave), trying to explain exactly that. What happened? After a short argument I got kicked from the guild thing. Ah wells...I get carried away easily, my apologies. Just felt like writing all that. In most games voice chat seems like something that can't be avoided without missing out on a lot of stuff. I can only hope FFXIV will be more forgiving in this department...
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One of these days my dream of an all server voice communication where you can hear everyone at once relative to the distance you are from them will be a reality!
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I absolutely hate voice chat. I hate it with a passion, regardless of the genre of game it's being used for.

For me it completely ruins the gaming experience. I'm generally a laid back individual, but voice chat is one of the few things that really gets under my skin. Especially when someone tells me that it's required or that so-and-so isn't doable without it.

Voice chat is extremely annoying to me. Like trying to watch a movie in a theater but there's a group of drunken idiots sitting right behind you making noise. But in the case of voice chat, much of that noise is not even able to be understood due to people talking over one another, or having a strong accent, or mic static, or music playing in the background, etc. I hate it. Hate it!

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I've stuck mostly to typing in RPGs/MMOs, but use voice a lot more in action games (FPS etc).
However like most people say I would use typing for everything apart from perhaps co-ordinating larger battles.
Even then I am of the mind that if everyone knows their job well, you don't even need to type. Things just happen as you expect them to. (Rare does this happen and only with people I know well does it usually happen.)
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I'm one of the few who likes Ventrilo I guess. I've played a lot of different game genres using Vent, and while it is nice to have some quiet time off Vent every now and then, getting to know a group of people and socialize with them via voice just makes this connection that makes the game more enjoyable for me.
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Will never use a mic/vent/fill out a guild app/etc. None of that bullsh!t.

Get real. It's just a video game.
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Right now everyone is on PC. What's going to happen when there is an influx of players from the ps3 down the road. Are we going to be divided in to two groups the pc venters and the ps3 typers. Truthfully since none of us have really seen what end game is vent may not be required for decent play.

When I played FFXI there were no gimmick bosses nothing that couldn't be explained by a few lines for new comers. In WoW you have all those fights stand here point left jump do the hokey pokey. Vent helps for that. Also in Aion or other PvP games it helps when you can't really watch text and you need to help or call out help.
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Right now everyone is on PC. What's going to happen when there is an influx of players from the ps3 down the road. Are we going to be divided in to two groups the pc venters and the ps3 typers. Truthfully since none of us have really seen what end game is vent may not be required for decent play.

When I played FFXI there were no gimmick bosses nothing that couldn't be explained by a few lines for new comers. In WoW you have all those fights stand here point left jump do the hokey pokey. Vent helps for that. Also in Aion or other PvP games it helps when you can't really watch text and you need to help or call out help.
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I dislike vent (or mandatory vent anyway)personally. It requires me to turn all my other noises off (bg music, mp3, tv, etc).


I can't say I've ever had that problem. In fact, at this very moment I'm on vent, while I've got in-game sound effects on and Winamp running.

Of course, I have Vent set up with a compressor on the output to normalize people's volumes - if anyone is still too soft for me to hear over everything else I've got playing, well then they didn't really say anything important, did they? :P
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My problem with vent is that I either forget the "push" to talk and end up talking to my self or I leave it open and everybody has to listen to me sneeze all the time (at least through allergy season).
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Will never use a mic/vent/fill out a guild app/etc. None of that bullsh!t.

Get real. It's just a video game.


Eh... I think of MMO's as a team sport. X number of people are prepared to be on and rolling at the same time as you. You all have a job to do. Noone wants to wait for someone else who just doesn't have the slightest commitment. An App shows at least that you aren't totally lost in the sauce and can navigate to a website and show a little interest in what you are doing. Vent adds to the organization of harder encounters. Trust me.... having lead guilds and the like for many years, it is hard enough to get some people to listen while you are calling them out directly in vent over and over much less having to type it. When that person plays a key role in the encounter and they are "that guy" they have effectively WASTED the time of all the other members. So I def do think of it that way. If you aren't willing to show a few seconds of your time and maybe a lil presence to the important explanations by having a simple program... well, simply put, you can gtfo.

In my experience those that don't want to get vent are the same ones who will have you sitting there for 2 hours waiting for their sorry *** to maybe log in. Game or not, Most people value their time more than that and doing that to them is just plain F'd.

So in closing: You're either pro or you're noob. Such is life.
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Will never use a mic/vent/fill out a guild app/etc. None of that bullsh!t.

Get real. It's just a video game.


Eh... I think of MMO's as a team sport. X number of people are prepared to be on and rolling at the same time as you. You all have a job to do. Noone wants to wait for someone else who just doesn't have the slightest commitment. An App shows at least that you aren't totally lost in the sauce and can navigate to a website and show a little interest in what you are doing. Vent adds to the organization of harder encounters. Trust me.... having lead guilds and the like for many years, it is hard enough to get some people to listen while you are calling them out directly in vent over and over much less having to type it. When that person plays a key role in the encounter and they are "that guy" they have effectively WASTED the time of all the other members. So I def do think of it that way. If you aren't willing to show a few seconds of your time and maybe a lil presence to the important explanations by having a simple program... well, simply put, you can gtfo.

In my experience those that don't want to get vent are the same ones who will have you sitting there for 2 hours waiting for their sorry *** to maybe log in. Game or not, Most people value their time more than that and doing that to them is just plain F'd.

So in closing: You're either pro or you're noob. Such is life.


I think it's a big difference between maybe setting that kind of thing up for an endgame LS and starting a brand new game off in that fashion. People aren't even playing yet and getting into serious job mode. That's why I mentioned my disliking for "vent required" and filling out applications. Completely ridiculous if you ask me.

I'm getting the game to have some fun, not to sign up to be ordered around by some "pros"...to each their own though...
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Will never use a mic/vent/fill out a guild app/etc. None of that bullsh!t.

Get real. It's just a video game.


Eh... I think of MMO's as a team sport. X number of people are prepared to be on and rolling at the same time as you. You all have a job to do. Noone wants to wait for someone else who just doesn't have the slightest commitment. An App shows at least that you aren't totally lost in the sauce and can navigate to a website and show a little interest in what you are doing. Vent adds to the organization of harder encounters. Trust me.... having lead guilds and the like for many years, it is hard enough to get some people to listen while you are calling them out directly in vent over and over much less having to type it. When that person plays a key role in the encounter and they are "that guy" they have effectively WASTED the time of all the other members. So I def do think of it that way. If you aren't willing to show a few seconds of your time and maybe a lil presence to the important explanations by having a simple program... well, simply put, you can gtfo.

In my experience those that don't want to get vent are the same ones who will have you sitting there for 2 hours waiting for their sorry *** to maybe log in. Game or not, Most people value their time more than that and doing that to them is just plain F'd.

So in closing: You're either pro or you're noob. Such is life.


I think it's a big difference between maybe setting that kind of thing up for an endgame LS and starting a brand new game off in that fashion. People aren't even playing yet and getting into serious job mode. That's why I mentioned my disliking for "vent required" and filling out applications. Completely ridiculous if you ask me.

I'm getting the game to have some fun, not to sign up to be ordered around by some "pros"...to each their own though...
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While I like ventrilo and certainly understand the advantage in coordinated events that require specific on-the-fly instructions those events are still far away in FFXIV, although it's a great way to socialize (and practice English for some of us) it's no way required at this moment.

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Most that do not want to use vent are very anti-social. Or they are afraid of speaking, or their language skills are generally poor. Or they are like me and don't want to wear a headset when I play, except when it is during serious encounters in gameplay. Keep in mind that when people post that vent is required, a lot of them don't expect you to speak, they just want you to be able to listen, and be able to type your questions out so that they can explain the strategy.

Some MMO encounters are very complicated these days and you cannot just do your class skills. How would you like to type out a 750 word essay on a boss encounter? So my answer is that some will still type, but for anything that ends up to be an endgame scenario for FFXIV, it will be a form of vent or some other voice system.

If you plan on spamming out your crafting skills, then you most likely will never need to listen to someone explain over voicechat. But if/when the game has end game content, you will be left out if you are unwilling to at least listen.
#47 Sep 20 2010 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Isn't this game like vent required?? I can see the deaths piling up in groups now for people putting down controllers to ask a question or give an order and being slaughtered before they have the controller back in hand. SE has a branded controller for purchasing because they know their key setup sucks, knowing a majority of the community will be using a controller. It's boggling that they don't also have a mic and in-game voice app to go with this.

*On a side note* This makes perfect sense to me now while trying out different chars on different servers, NO ONE TALKED AT ALL! I can see the new MMO players running from the game because it is setup perfectly to be antisocial. Especially adding in the fact that you can do almost everything solo. I can see the possible epic fail now. *End rant/logical thinking*
#48 Sep 20 2010 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
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I read through the majority of these posts.

I never actually tried vent until FFXIV open beta. I'd downloaded and all, but never tried it, because I didn't want to pay the few dollars a month for it.

That being said, the few experiences I've had with vent were very useful.

1) I was able to more easily describe to my friend how to set up some macros, navigate, interact with the UI.

2)I was able to more easily execute strategy with my friend in combat(there wasn't much strategy yet, seeing as we were low level and all, but it was easier to explain how to use the gamepad to my buddy who comes from WoW and had no idea how to use the controls I had set up for him when I was over his house the night before;)

3)I didn't have neck-cramp from cradling a cell phone for over an hour:)

I could see vent being akward to adapt to initially. I'm a very vocal person in general, and love to belt out tunes at karaoke or talk people up like crazy in person, but vent put some kind of weird pressure on me and made me feel nervous. Still, once I got to chatting on it, and knew that the others on the chat were keeping the discussion on focus and not judging my voice any more than my tail(as a mi'qote<sp>), it was a pretty nice experience.

After my first few experiences with Vent, I plan on sticking with it, and especially hope to find an LS that utilizes it(especially since I'd like to get the value out of the 30$ headset I bought from plantronics;)Very easy to set up, very easy to use, and a good investment for partying up in an MMO, especially in a game like FFXIV where strategy seems to be more important than button-mashing MMOs I've tried in the past.
#49 Sep 20 2010 at 9:30 PM Rating: Good
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I prefer typing to voice chat (and my wife doesn't like my wearing headphones or a headset (no clue why)), though with the lack of auto-attack here, to be social you almost need to use voice chat because time spent typing is time not acting. :\ Was much nicer in XI where you could bang out a quick chat in between "special" actions without impacting the fight.
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#50 Sep 20 2010 at 9:38 PM Rating: Good
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I'd like to note that chained attack action macros are a very efficient way of giving yourself some breathing room while playing - also helps for nailing the mob in the back, as you can focus on positioning while the macro makes you wail away on the beastie.

The chat log sucks too much to be useful for chat during battle though. That said - the battle signs and stuff like that are meant to help with that.

I just don't see the need for detailed hand-holding on a regular basis. I can see the argument for using it for special battles though.
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#51 Sep 20 2010 at 9:49 PM Rating: Default
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I'm not going to use Vent. Typing FTW. I'd prefer to have iTunes going for some background music.
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