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#1 Sep 21 2010 at 11:07 AM Rating: Default
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does ff14 have a auto attack or not cuz when i was playing beta it didnt seem to have one if not WHY SE!!!
#2 Sep 21 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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No auto-attack. They stated that like a year ago though, but I don't recall their reasoning for why (if they did at all).
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#3 Sep 21 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
No it doesn't have auto attack, You have to do the individual attacks yourself.

It makes the game more fun in my opinion, With Auto Attack your basically just watching. :/
#4 Sep 21 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I miss auto-attack a ton. Gives me time to chat while not completely stopping.
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#5 Sep 21 2010 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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Would be great if they had it so you can select an attack and toggle an auto use of some sort.
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I want all these 1 posters with questions like these checked. Think they are Frebaut's socks......
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/em waits for the auto-attack programs to be build, much like the mouse hardware fix.
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#8 Sep 21 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Default
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yer i am very disapointed at the no auto attack makes trying to talk to someone abit easyer my mate who loves ff came round and i said fancy having a go on ff14 and the first thing he said was NO auto attack i can be lazy at some times thats why i want auto attacks but its drains so much energy out of u pressing the same buttons over and over again. my main consurn is i hope this new graf card runs ff14 nice i did a bench mark test between my old and new one my old one got 3200 on low and my new one got just near 4000 (ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB)
#9 Sep 21 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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TheRealLusent wrote:
/em waits for the auto-attack programs to be build, much like the mouse hardware fix.
What I do remember SE saying a year ago on the topic as that you could set up a macro to simulate auto-attack, but that they would not be making a standard auto-attack option available.

I agree, it's only a matter of time before the windower team from FFXI releases a client for FFXIV and comes up with a plugin that simulates auto-attacking.
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#10 Sep 21 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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while they are at it, why not get one to simulate auto moving, and auto questing, and ****, even auto crafting, just get the mats and let the program do it all for you while you watch, **** would give you more time to go watch tv and play other video games while you are "playing" FF XIV
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I remember before taking my break from these forums that people complained that FFXI was too slow because of the auto-attack.
#12 Sep 21 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
Am I the only one that didn't notice it not there? Maybe it had to do with 5 years of playing a ranger in XI.... welcome to my world people Smiley: tongue
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#13 Sep 21 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
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because of the auto-attack.


really if i remember correctly it was because auto attack was too slow or you never gained enough TP to even use skills. It never had anything to do with auto attack existing or not...
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bsphil wrote:
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/em waits for the auto-attack programs to be build, much like the mouse hardware fix.
What I do remember SE saying a year ago on the topic as that you could set up a macro to simulate auto-attack, but that they would not be making a standard auto-attack option available.

I agree, it's only a matter of time before the windower team from FFXI releases a client for FFXIV and comes up with a plugin that simulates auto-attacking.



This is cool news, I look forward to trying it out.
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while they are at it, why not get one to simulate auto moving, and auto questing, and ****, even auto crafting, just get the mats and let the program do it all for you while you watch, **** would give you more time to go watch tv and play other video games while you are "playing" FF XIV



Pay for my account too while your at it.

If the macro system works out life will be good for the ones that want an auto-attack and for the ones that dont, dont use it.



Edited, Sep 21st 2010 12:17pm by TheRealLusent

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 12:18pm by TheRealLusent
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bsphil wrote:
I agree, it's only a matter of time before the windower team from FFXI releases a client for FFXIV and comes up with a plugin that simulates auto-attacking.


Windower team has stated there are no plans to create a FFXIV windower. http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/98517-Note-about-Windower-for-14

As for auto attack, I don't think it would really work with the stamina system. I like the way it is for the most part, except I sometimes get hung up thinking an entered attack is going to fire and then it doesn't and I've wasted time (and hp!) basically doing nothing >.>
#17 Sep 21 2010 at 12:27 PM Rating: Default
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This s a big mistake to not have auto attack, it most cases it now make i harder to talk to anyone while fighting, which mean if your any job and you have to speak with anyone in you team for any reason you have to stop what your doing, which mean stop pressing attack, bad if your tanks or melee, worst if your healing, then text the situation and proceed, clearly this was'nt thought out to well back then and even now. for years playing in ffxi we rely on chat during game battle, now it will just become that much harder if your in battle and some one is trying to reach you during the battle cause you would have to stop what your doing just to message them back. the chat system and battle system should of been integrated much better. right now i think its a fail.
#18 Sep 21 2010 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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I am pretty sure, that if you have to say something to someone in your party, not attacking for a couple of seconds won't kill you.

Most things could wait until the mob is dead anyway - and if it's a more complicated fight - Vent/ Teamspeak ^^
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... worst if your healing...


lol sorry couldnt help myself on this one, but ummmm nahhh nvm lol
#20 Sep 21 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
I could never remember to test this macro in beta, did anyone else try it out?


/action "Basic Attack" <t>
/wait 3
/action "Basic Attack" <t>
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/action "Basic Attack" <t>
/wait 3
/action "Basic Attack" <t>
#21 Sep 21 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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Dreyhana wrote:
I am pretty sure, that if you have to say something to someone in your party, not attacking for a couple of seconds won't kill you.

Most things could wait until the mob is dead anyway - and if it's a more complicated fight - Vent/ Teamspeak ^^


If you were talking in FFXI, even with it's slow pace and auto attack it means you were doing it wrong... If you were of a certain class.

The battle log in FFXI flew by, especially while tanking or pulling. Maybe people did sit there chatting while auto-attacking, but I was too busy to notice.

That's why macros and calls existed to say important stuff during battle then you would talk while healing/resting or while a pull was coming.

Maybe I'm in the minority but the only things I remember people typing during a group would be: ADD!, LINK! followed by OH $4!7!!! ZONE!

I can see this just being extended and exacerbated in FFXIV where every class is more involved. And given the hardcore nature of mmos, if you're typing AT ALL in a group you might be doing it even 'wronger,' unfortunately.
#22 Sep 21 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Default
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Enyyx wrote:
bsphil wrote:
I agree, it's only a matter of time before the windower team from FFXI releases a client for FFXIV and comes up with a plugin that simulates auto-attacking.


Windower team has stated there are no plans to create a FFXIV windower. http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/98517-Note-about-Windower-for-14

As for auto attack, I don't think it would really work with the stamina system. I like the way it is for the most part, except I sometimes get hung up thinking an entered attack is going to fire and then it doesn't and I've wasted time (and hp!) basically doing nothing >.>
Well, only because they're just not playing it. Someone else has already stepped up to the plate to create a windower, who knows how far that project will go. I really hope someone does, though.

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If the macro system works out life will be good for the ones that want an auto-attack and for the ones that dont, dont use it.
FYI, an auto-attack macro is going to essentially be repeating an attack command 5 times with waits in between. You could technically do the exact same thing in FFXI for ranged attacks.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 2:19pm by bsphil
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#23 Sep 21 2010 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not typing and enjoying group = job and boring (aka: the grind)

Typing and joking about stuff, even setting stuff up in LS while getting xp or shooting the **** = hella fun and a reason why its not a one player game that you play w/o internet
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#24bsphil, Posted: Sep 21 2010 at 1:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If getting a link meant you had to zone your party probably sucked, lol.
#25 Sep 21 2010 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
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Maybe I'm in the minority but the only things I remember people typing during a group would be: ADD!, LINK! followed by OH $4!7!!! ZONE!
If getting a link meant you had to zone your party probably sucked, lol.


like you had never any links /sigh /em epeen grows
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Pyrorebirth wrote:
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Maybe I'm in the minority but the only things I remember people typing during a group would be: ADD!, LINK! followed by OH $4!7!!! ZONE!
If getting a link meant you had to zone your party probably sucked, lol.
like you had never any links /sigh /em epeen grows
Of course I've gotten links in FFXI, I had to do it intentionally sometimes on BRD. A good party has no problem managing a link though, a bad one needs to zone.
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i better keep my breath, since there are multiple kinds of links tho
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bsphil wrote:
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Maybe I'm in the minority but the only things I remember people typing during a group would be: ADD!, LINK! followed by OH $4!7!!! ZONE!
If getting a link meant you had to zone your party probably sucked, lol.
like you had never any links /sigh /em epeen grows
Of course I've gotten links in FFXI, I had to do it intentionally sometimes on BRD. A good party has no problem managing a link though, a bad one needs to zone.


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right likibiki, i remember the nice ownage i had in the dunes with gobbies and on nighttime bogies :D
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#30 Sep 21 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I remember tanking in FFXI, I never had any time to chat during combat.

I've got no problem with not having an auto-attack in FFXIV. It makes the combat feel more involved, I guess.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 3:49pm by Marmaliser
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bsphil wrote:
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bsphil wrote:
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Maybe I'm in the minority but the only things I remember people typing during a group would be: ADD!, LINK! followed by OH $4!7!!! ZONE!
If getting a link meant you had to zone your party probably sucked, lol.
like you had never any links /sigh /em epeen grows
Of course I've gotten links in FFXI, I had to do it intentionally sometimes on BRD. A good party has no problem managing a link though, a bad one needs to zone.


Yeah I was in some crappy groups back in the day. Especially in CN.

Though managing links was one of the most fun things in FFXI to do.

BUT in some of those groups we knew what to do. It wasn't like:

/p Ahh you tank the add, I insist.

/p No, no you have more VIT, go ahead.

/p But your evasion is so much better.

/p OK, I'm going to heal you guys now!

At MOST it was like /p SLEEP!!! /p TANK THIS ONE!!!! but I have to admit, most times it was ZONE!!@!
#32 Sep 21 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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This s a big mistake to not have auto attack, it most cases it now make i harder to talk to anyone while fighting, which mean if your any job and you have to speak with anyone in you team for any reason you have to stop what your doing, which mean stop pressing attack, bad if your tanks or melee, worst if your healing, then text the situation and proceed, clearly this was'nt thought out to well back then and even now. for years playing in ffxi we rely on chat during game battle, now it will just become that much harder if your in battle and some one is trying to reach you during the battle cause you would have to stop what your doing just to message them back. the chat system and battle system should of been integrated much better. right now i think its a fail.


no offense but if you needed to stop and chat during a battle you were doing it wrong. what are you doing today? HNM? ok, u set up a battle plan prior to fighting and set up macros to announce special things. exp party? ok...no battle plan, spam your attacks and heals. no need to talk there because everyone has their own set of eyes and ears and brain to do their job. if you're one of those spam "HEAL ME HEAL ME HEAL ME. or HASTE ME HASTE ME. REFRESH ME" spam. then you're just being annoying and talking to hear yoruself talk.

to type aggro its literally <enter A G G R O enter> 1.5 seconds? if you need to talk so so badly just deplete your stamina and type it out real fast. and u know...theres always vent. so pushing buttons to play a game isnt a bad thing.

i played star trek online to cap and theres no auto attack. and each weapon has its own cool down. so instead of one stamina meter there are 8-12. even then it wasnt hard on my fingers
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my favs were always people talking during combat and bashing ppl in their party to their linkshell, then accidently doing a /p instead of a /l:)...

But seriously, most of the time talking was done inbetween fights, or while people were afk. maybe answering or asking a question or two with the ls during combat, but I was a ninja, so most of the time I was doing things other than autoattack.
#34bsphil, Posted: Sep 21 2010 at 2:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Bind by 11 for RDM, 7 for BLM. Lullaby is 16. If you're having issues before then, you're really SOL. Though most people don't even party before 20.
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Lamnethx of the Seven Seas wrote:
I could never remember to test this macro in beta, did anyone else try it out?


/action "Basic Attack" <t>
/wait 3
/action "Basic Attack" <t>
/wait 3
/action "Basic Attack" <t>
/wait 3
/action "Basic Attack" <t>


Exactly what I was thinking. Have not tried it yet. I was going to keep it to only 3 in case something happens and I need to break off or heal. I guess if you un-target, the macro just fizzles.

Oddly, I was just driving to work this morning thinking about how glad I was that FFXIV did not have auto-attack.

I tried to reason with my self why, because reasonably, the chatting is easier while auto-attacking. Right? Well, for one, I played BLM, and, as any mage would tell you, you had to fit chat in between spells anyway.

Even on my melee cahracter I rarely just sat there auto-attacking and chatting. I was checking recast timers, watching for keys moves by others, triggering WS and Shadows and - something! Still made time for chat when necessary.

So the only reason I could come up with is FUN. It's fun to use that little attack that only takes a smidge of the Stamina Bar and spam the enemy to death. Take that! and that! and that!



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I love the no auto attack. You use TP abilities and normal abilities often enough so it's not really tedious. Beats the **** out of..... Engage, afk, tp move, afk, tp move, repeat....
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Lamnethx of the Seven Seas wrote:
I could never remember to test this macro in beta, did anyone else try it out?


/action "Basic Attack" <t>
/wait 3
/action "Basic Attack" <t>
/wait 3
/action "Basic Attack" <t>
/wait 3
/action "Basic Attack" <t>


yes but I used "wait 1" for normal attacks and "wait 2" for TP attacks

It worked like a charm. Was waaaay easier to get behind enemies and kick the crap out of them - especially dodos - their burps are front only so they missed me a lot while I was wailing on them from behind.

Seriously - you can't make a macro? I think using a third party program to do auto-attack would make you fairly much suck. Macro is good because you can have a few different attack chains programmed in and choose depending on TP etc which ones to use - also you can change tactics (healing etc) if need be.

People need to stop being so lazy.
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Bind by 11 for RDM, 7 for BLM. Lullaby is 16. If you're having issues before then, you're really SOL. Though most people don't even party before 20.


bind works for like 1 second on IT at lower levels- unless maybe you already had a mage job capped with capped skills/merits... bind barely worked on T or lower for any amount of time.


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also the bigger impediment to chatting in groups is the crappy chat screen anyway. Even if you had time to chat - crap gets spammed so much you can't see it.

Also parties are not the way they used to be with XI. There used to be time for a little chatter between mobs and you chained them - now people are never standing around for the most part - you're on the move for mobs. They lose aggro pretty fast - I can't even see how you could do long pulls.

Can chat while running from battle to battle though.

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the lack of auto is more of a death to FFXIV than having it, especaily if there is as much lag for real as there was in beta because it was just impossible to tell when an attack could be initiated >.X
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#41 Sep 21 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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No it doesn't have auto attack, You have to do the individual attacks yourself.

It makes the game more fun in my opinion, With Auto Attack your basically just watching. :/


It makes the game more tedious in my opinion and was one of the reason's I decided to pass on it. There is absolutely no reason to not have auto attack. You shouldn't force the user to micromanage everything in a game.


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As for auto attack, I don't think it would really work with the stamina system.



Sure it would work. The game would use a basic attack every time the stamina bar was completely full.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 6:39pm by Lobivopis
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Lobivopis wrote:
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No it doesn't have auto attack, You have to do the individual attacks yourself.

It makes the game more fun in my opinion, With Auto Attack your basically just watching. :/


It makes the game more tedious in my opinion and was one of the reason's I decided to pass on it. There is absolutely no reason to not have auto attack. You shouldn't force the user to micromanage everything in a game.


Too bad that's all people ever wanted for FFXIV. "I want it like an action game or twitch gameplay like World of Warcraft!"

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man you guys are pretty weak if you expect the game to fight for you.
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man you guys are pretty weak if you expect the game to fight for you.


man you guys are pretty weak if you expect all the units in Starcraft to fight for you.




If I had to farm for 6 or 7 hours pushing a button for every attack it would get tedious. I do not want every battle in an MMO to be a round of Street Fighter.

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Too bad that's all people ever wanted for FFXIV. "I want it like an action game or twitch gameplay like World of Warcraft!"


And now that they have what they wanted they realize just how terrible it is and are crying for auto attack just like I said they would over a year ago.



Edited, Sep 21st 2010 6:47pm by Lobivopis
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does ff14 have a auto attack or not cuz when i was playing beta it didnt seem to have one if not WHY SE!!!


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#46 Sep 21 2010 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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Well, only because they're just not playing it. Someone else has already stepped up to the plate to create a windower, who knows how far that project will go. I really hope someone does, though.


Let me see if I understand what you're saying. Let's set the ToS aside for a moment and narrow down the specifics. You (or at least someone else in this thread if not you) wants a plugin for the windower that will auto-attack for you. Do you know what that's called?

A bot. And I would LOVE to see the XIV Windower team cross that line and all the chumps lining up to use it get roflbant in one fell swoop.

Seriously.
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Well, only because they're just not playing it. Someone else has already stepped up to the plate to create a windower, who knows how far that project will go. I really hope someone does, though.
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vicious172 wrote:
Would be great if they had it so you can select an attack and toggle an auto use of some sort.


I had this same idea when i was first being frustrated by the difficulty in trying to chat while in combat. Something that either says, hey, full stamina, default attack go wouldn't be bad.

And it means i wouldnt have to pay 100% attention all the time during combat...

admit it all you ffxi'ers... how many of you ran off to pee while autoattacking something?
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#49 Sep 21 2010 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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F3rth wrote:
admit it all you ffxi'ers... how many of you ran off to pee while autoattacking something?
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If you time it right nobody will even notice at low levels.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 6:39pm by bsphil
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#50 Sep 21 2010 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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F3rth wrote:
admit it all you ffxi'ers... how many of you ran off to pee while autoattacking something


Being able to answer the door in the middle of a fight is not a bad thing.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 8:40pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#51 Sep 22 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default
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XIglooX wrote:
gaiaxzero wrote:
This s a big mistake to not have auto attack, it most cases it now make i harder to talk to anyone while fighting, which mean if your any job and you have to speak with anyone in you team for any reason you have to stop what your doing, which mean stop pressing attack, bad if your tanks or melee, worst if your healing, then text the situation and proceed, clearly this was'nt thought out to well back then and even now. for years playing in ffxi we rely on chat during game battle, now it will just become that much harder if your in battle and some one is trying to reach you during the battle cause you would have to stop what your doing just to message them back. the chat system and battle system should of been integrated much better. right now i think its a fail.


no offense but if you needed to stop and chat during a battle you were doing it wrong. what are you doing today? HNM? ok, u set up a battle plan prior to fighting and set up macros to announce special things. exp party? ok...no battle plan, spam your attacks and heals. no need to talk there because everyone has their own set of eyes and ears and brain to do their job. if you're one of those spam "HEAL ME HEAL ME HEAL ME. or HASTE ME HASTE ME. REFRESH ME" spam. then you're just being annoying and talking to hear yoruself talk.

to type aggro its literally <enter A G G R O enter> 1.5 seconds? if you need to talk so so badly just deplete your stamina and type it out real fast. and u know...theres always vent. so pushing buttons to play a game isnt a bad thing.

i played star trek online to cap and theres no auto attack. and each weapon has its own cool down. so instead of one stamina meter there are 8-12. even then it wasnt hard on my fingers


No offense but battle plan prior to fighting dont always work out, no offense but sometimes you dont alway want to be just siting there mashing a button for a few hrs, and not chit chat, no offense but some time during a game play if you melee and your down to 150hp yeah im going to chat heal me, no offense if im a black mage, down to 3 mp, and have a refresher im going to say refresh me, no offense but to chat even while being battle is not annoying, it call communicating, no offense but we dont always use vent. no offense but i freaking hate star trek games.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 2:13pm by gaiaxzero
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