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#1 Sep 22 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6276630.html?tag=latestheadlines%3Btitle%3B1

I have to say, having played FFXIV, I agree with this assessment completely.
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#2 Sep 22 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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He's right to some extent. Things aren't so rosy on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, though. A lot of western games are sorely lacking in originality when it comes to the worlds their games take place in. I think the East and the West have their own strengths and weaknesses and I hope we'll continue to see a lot of great stuff from both for a long time.
#3 Sep 22 2010 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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Personal taste, but I don't agree. What I fear is right that "globalization" of games
he seems to be so fond of - meaning style and content are similar wherever you go.
Actually I am quite happy that the Wii is not yet another X-Box...
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I can agree with most of this. We have all seen(or not seen) that there is a lack of advertising of SE's games to the general public outside of Japan. If I were not a Final Fantasy fan, I would probably would have passed this game by without barely knowing it even existed. If they want to open up their games to a broader audience, then they have to make some serious changes. There is nothing wrong from learning from the success of other games and companies.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 12:00pm by RayneZ
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RayneZ wrote:
I can agree with most of this. We have all seen(or not seen) that there is a lack of advertising of SE's games to the general public outside of Japan. If I were not a Final Fantasy fan, I would probably would have passed this game by without barely knowing it even existed. If they want to open up their games to a broader audience, then they have to make some serious changes. There is nothing wrong from learning from the success of other games and companies.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 12:00pm by RayneZ


As long as its in moderation lol, don't need Final Fantasies becoming shooters from here on out.
#6 Sep 22 2010 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I have to say, having played FFXIV, I agree with this assessment completely.
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>Implying other new MMO's were so much better.
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#7 Sep 22 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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Hyanmen wrote:
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I have to say, having played FFXIV, I agree with this assessment completely.
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>Implying other new MMO's were so much better.


Hm. How to respond to this... I have tried a few MMOs that are recent yes. I am not playing them now. (I play EVE only atm) -- While their gameplay was not my cup of tea, their interfaces were smooth and efficient, their provided forums were useful and never did I feel like I was being compelled to pay for a beta period for the PS3.

So, I don't know that I would as "so much better" as you intended, but perhaps better on some things, yes.
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I never heard of monster hunter, but now I kind of want to play it, lol... I really liked Lost Planet 1, and thought that 2 was a very good sequel to it. Could have done with more campaign content, and a few tweaks, but in general it was one of my favorite games this year, though not better than FFXIV... Probably 2nd to it though. :P

Then again I'm a niche gamer. Anyway, point is, I don't think japanese games are behind, I just think mainstream western gamers are after certain elements in their games that japanese gamers/developers have never really been interested in. Personally, I hope they don't start chasing those elements, they probably won't get them right, and they will just end up messing up what they already do right.

Instead, they're better off just innovating on their own terms, and ignoring what the western companies are doing. Too many games are already molded after CoD and GTA, which are both very bland games imo. But at the end of the day, markets and industries are really just too complicated to even talk about without isolating parts of it and neglecting massive branches that probably tie in. You just have to kind of let them go, and take what you get from it for what it is. Leave the more elaborate discussions to the people getting paid to have them.
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#9 Sep 22 2010 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Hm. How to respond to this... I have tried a few MMOs that are recent yes. I am not playing them now. (I play EVE only atm) -- While their gameplay was not my cup of tea, their interfaces were smooth and efficient, their provided forums were useful and never did I feel like I was being compelled to pay for a beta period for the PS3.


Because they were, essentially, copies of each other. No new ideas. Also more than likely bugged (AoC) and badly-designed (WAR).

It's easy to copy and paste everything, and not so easy to make something even remotely original. Especially when it comes to MMO's.

Not to say SE should have copied some things like the UI. No one is perfect.

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SE: We don't really want to compete against World of Warcraft or for example the new Star Wars MMO.


This is really a poor attitude for any company to take. I'm fairly certain SE would prefer not to compete with anybody, I'm sure they'd love it if all their competitors just folded up and went away.

This statement alone is one of the primary reasons I doubt I'll even pick up this title.
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This is really a poor attitude for any company to take. I'm fairly certain SE would prefer not to compete with anybody, I'm sure they'd love it if all their competitors just folded up and went away.


So building a playerbase of your own is worse than trying to steal someone else's playerbase?

Ah, you keep reminding me of the excellent marketing tactics used by Western MMO companies to become successful.

Even funnier is that Blizzard built their own playerbase as well. They didn't have to compete with anyone, because they catered to their own market.

A really poor attitude that got them nowhere.
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measureups wrote:
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SE: We don't really want to compete against World of Warcraft or for example the new Star Wars MMO.


This is really a poor attitude for any company to take. I'm fairly certain SE would prefer not to compete with anybody, I'm sure they'd love it if all their competitors just folded up and went away.

This statement alone is one of the primary reasons I doubt I'll even pick up this title.



you have to keep in mind SE dosent care to compeat cause they know as long as they keep there players happy thats all that matters. everyone dosent play games the same. some play games like WoW godly but you give them FF XI and i bet thell hate it even if they had already leveled character. vise versa, its all the players choice and as long as there makeing money and players are happy what else matters to a game company?
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#13 Sep 22 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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measureups wrote:
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SE: We don't really want to compete against World of Warcraft or for example the new Star Wars MMO.


This is really a poor attitude for any company to take. I'm fairly certain SE would prefer not to compete with anybody, I'm sure they'd love it if all their competitors just folded up and went away.

This statement alone is one of the primary reasons I doubt I'll even pick up this title.

I think you are greatly misunderstanding both the meaning and tone of that quote.

What he is saying is that SE is not trying to make WoW: The Final Fantasy Version. Nobody is going to make a better WoW than WoW, Blizzard is really good at that by now. If that's the kind of game you want to play you should play WoW. SE sat down and said "what do we want our MMO to be?" and their answer to that question is just very different than Blizzard's answer. They are making the game they want to make and not letting the competition drive their design decisions.

Another way of phrasing that quote would be "Hey, we're not going to out-WoW WoW and we're not even trying to. We have our own thing going on here that we think is pretty cool and if you're looking for something different than what everyone else is doing come check it out."

I'm not saying it was a good decision (time will tell) but I don't think it implies any of the ill will you are trying to attribute to that quote.
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