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#1 Sep 22 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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So, Square didnt fix this for CE release. I'm shocked.

lol does anyone know if there has been a 3rd party fix for the retail version yet? maybe too soon to ask?

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The Windower site is down because SE didn't like the fact that someone can repair things they can't.
Now if they'd just get Alt-Tab to work that wouldn't be a problem for me but they still can't get this to work for whatever reason there is.
But there's another way to get a windowed fullscreen mode with a small script in windows. Script and instructions
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#4 Sep 24 2010 at 5:16 AM Rating: Default
I never understood whats the point of fullscreen windower.

In FFXIV Config app there is the option for fullscreen and windowed with resolution choices.

The only benefit i see to window a fullscreen is to have it windowed while having sli/crossfire working.
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#5 Sep 24 2010 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
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lol whats really bad about the official window mode is that its automaticly set to low priority on your processor list, which is obvious what that can do to your gameplay. the windowerffxiv.com windower thing was super cool because it automaticly set it to high priority eliminating excess delay and stuff.
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The main thing was that it removed the bar at the top / border around the window and played like it was in fullscreen mode but you could alt tab in and out easily.

Crazy that the site is shut down now haha I better stop using it before they find me =)
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you think thats something they can detect? they never busted anyone for ffxiwindower though.
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And what do you gain with this windower vs simply setting the Windowed setting to whatever your desktop resolution is at? (1600x1200 for me). You can alt-tab and minimize. If you have dual screens it is even better.

I might be missing something here though.
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#9 Sep 24 2010 at 8:10 AM Rating: Decent
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drogier wrote:
And what do you gain with this windower vs simply setting the Windowed setting to whatever your desktop resolution is at? (1600x1200 for me). You can alt-tab and minimize. If you have dual screens it is even better.

I might be missing something here though.


You have to look at the window border. At least on windows 7 it won't let me hide it unless I go to fullscreen.

also lol @ cease & desist already for that XIV windower
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RidingBean wrote:
The Windower site is down because SE didn't like the fact that someone can repair things they can't.
Now if they'd just get Alt-Tab to work that wouldn't be a problem for me but they still can't get this to work for whatever reason there is.
But there's another way to get a windowed fullscreen mode with a small script in windows. Script and instructions


I'm pretty sure they C&D'd it because of the injection method they chose to use.
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Try this for now, works great
http://grismar.net/shiftwindow/
#12 Sep 24 2010 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I never understood whats the point of fullscreen windower.

In FFXIV Config app there is the option for fullscreen and windowed with resolution choices.

The only benefit i see to window a fullscreen is to have it windowed while having sli/crossfire working.


The only point to a fullscreen windower that I would have would be so that I can run the game without graphical tearing. The only way that I can do that is with FFXIV in full screen mode. The windowed version has tearing. Vsync doesn't work. Triple buffering doesn't work.

These options forced on globally and specifically through a FFXIV profile via the Nvidia control panel do nothing. The only way for me to get rid of horizontal and vertical tearing on my GTX 470 is to run FFXIV in fullscreen mode.
Unfortunately this means I can't tab out to any other window on my computer without crashing FFXIV.

So, for those reasons, a full screen windower would be a GODSEND to me. I don't give a **** about looking at the border while playing FFXIV in windowed mode. That's a minor annoyance compared to what I'm talking about.
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Someone posted This in another thread. I have been using it ever since. It works especially well if you run 2 monitors. I have my game in FS on my bigger monitor, and the web on my other one.
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RidingBean wrote:
The Windower site is down because SE didn't like the fact that someone can repair things they can't.
Now if they'd just get Alt-Tab to work that wouldn't be a problem for me but they still can't get this to work for whatever reason there is.
But there's another way to get a windowed fullscreen mode with a small script in windows. Script and instructions
Hahaha, oh wow. Looks like they're trying to cut off windower before it gets too big. They're probably very aware that if they shut down windower for FFXI now they'd lose a massive chunk of their player base, and want to prevent that situation from occurring.

Which is sad, because this just means a crappier interface overall. SE could still use this opportunity to respond to the player base to bring more UI fixes and adjustments to further impro- ahaha just kidding.
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I guess I am just thrilled about the fact that I can run the game in the background, still have my controller interact with the game... and have VirtualBox running with 2 VM's active. Not to mention RDP and local browsers open.

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#16 Sep 24 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Never used a windower when i played xi, didnt see the need.

i understand the want to alt+tab out and check information on the web, but jsut get your old monitor(we all have one), and hook it into your setup, i see no use in using a program that SE "may"(not will), designate as illegal, i mean who knows, they "may" in the future allow third party programming!
#17thehellfire, Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Im glad SE is stopping these 3rd party hackers from ruining te game. Windower is what the RMT bots use to run their programs. Its about time SE (well anyone) stood up to RMT and hackers. Plus its against EULA so you are a freaking cheater if you use it. I also read somewhere that the way they programmed the game this time they can check if 3rd party programs are being run.
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Im glad SE is stopping these 3rd party hackers from ruining te game. Windower is what the RMT bots use to run their programs. Its about time SE (well anyone) stood up to RMT and hackers. Plus its against EULA so you are a freaking cheater if you use it. I also read somewhere that the way they programmed the game this time they can check if 3rd party programs are being run.


In the time it took them to do the C&D, they could've been focusing on perfecting the alt+tab issue which is REALLY all we've ever wanted and they act like it's SO freaking hard to give it to us! Granted I'm not stupid and I know they have a legal team to handle such matters as the C&D but still... lol

Just give me Alt+Tab!!!

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#19 Sep 24 2010 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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thehellfire wrote:
Im glad SE is stopping these 3rd party hackers from ruining te game. Windower is what the RMT bots use to run their programs. Its about time SE (well anyone) stood up to RMT and hackers. Plus its against EULA so you are a freaking cheater if you use it. I also read somewhere that the way they programmed the game this time they can check if 3rd party programs are being run.


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#20 Sep 24 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Inion wrote:
Never used a windower when i played xi, didnt see the need.

i understand the want to alt+tab out and check information on the web, but jsut get your old monitor(we all have one), and hook it into your setup, i see no use in using a program that SE "may"(not will), designate as illegal, i mean who knows, they "may" in the future allow third party programming!
Why should I have to? Why should I have to go out of my way with 3rd party programs or hardware in this case just to get the game to a playable state? By the way, fullscreen mode tends to result in a LOT more tearing even with vsync enabled, and even if you have two monitors, you still won't be able to see information on a second monitor. Once the game loses focus to a browser in the other screen, it'll crash.
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bsphil wrote:
Inion wrote:
Never used a windower when i played xi, didnt see the need.

i understand the want to alt+tab out and check information on the web, but jsut get your old monitor(we all have one), and hook it into your setup, i see no use in using a program that SE "may"(not will), designate as illegal, i mean who knows, they "may" in the future allow third party programming!
Why should I have to? Why should I have to go out of my way with 3rd party programs or hardware in this case just to get the game to a playable state? By the way, fullscreen mode tends to result in a LOT more tearing even with vsync enabled, and even if you have two monitors, you still won't be able to see information on a second monitor. Once the game loses focus to a browser in the other screen, it'll crash.

The game runs perfectly, I dont see how alt+tab function not being there constitutes as it not runnable. Really if this is a game breaker for you, you must hate/not play a lot of games.
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Never used a windower when i played xi, didnt see the need.

i understand the want to alt+tab out and check information on the web, but jsut get your old monitor(we all have one), and hook it into your setup, i see no use in using a program that SE "may"(not will), designate as illegal, i mean who knows, they "may" in the future allow third party programming!
Why should I have to? Why should I have to go out of my way with 3rd party programs or hardware in this case just to get the game to a playable state? By the way, fullscreen mode tends to result in a LOT more tearing even with vsync enabled, and even if you have two monitors, you still won't be able to see information on a second monitor. Once the game loses focus to a browser in the other screen, it'll crash.

The game runs perfectly, I dont see how alt+tab function not being there constitutes as it not runnable. Really if this is a game breaker for you, you must hate/not play a lot of games.


It's an MMO man. There is a lot of downtime and it's nice to research information on what you are doing. There have been so many times where I was afk in XI and I would just alt-tab to watch a movie or go on the internet. That flexibility is something an avid MMO player needs.
#23Inion, Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) he hates console games tooo...no alt tab to check his browser(or is it he hates getting of the couch to go check browser....dunno)
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thehellfire wrote:
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Never used a windower when i played xi, didnt see the need.

i understand the want to alt+tab out and check information on the web, but jsut get your old monitor(we all have one), and hook it into your setup, i see no use in using a program that SE "may"(not will), designate as illegal, i mean who knows, they "may" in the future allow third party programming!
Why should I have to? Why should I have to go out of my way with 3rd party programs or hardware in this case just to get the game to a playable state? By the way, fullscreen mode tends to result in a LOT more tearing even with vsync enabled, and even if you have two monitors, you still won't be able to see information on a second monitor. Once the game loses focus to a browser in the other screen, it'll crash.

The game runs perfectly, I dont see how alt+tab function not being there constitutes as it not runnable. Really if this is a game breaker for you, you must hate/not play a lot of games.
Well if you want to look at something else, the game crashes. That's pretty much the definition of 'not runnable', because it doesn't run.
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#25Inion, Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) crashes when you hit alt+tab right?....just don't hit the buttons...silly~!
#26thehellfire, Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Seriously you cant look up the info on your phone other pc etc? Or maybe wait a few until you have a lot to look up, log look it up/print it out and log back in. Really people are too impatient these days, it all has to be done yesterday.
#27Inion, Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) no not yesterday...last week
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Seriously you cant look up the info on your phone other pc etc?
No. Even if I could, it's a very easy fix. I'm not paying for a workaround to something so simple.
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LOL at all the stupid in this thread.

Seriously SE should have fixed this, alt+tab is pretty basic functionality for any PC game.
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I'll post it again, since it may have been unclear.
I do agree, that this should be fixed, but since it isn't, there is a pretty good program to let you run windowed mode in full screen.
http://grismar.net/shiftwindow/
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just for principles sake, i fully support Se in their decision, not that i would complain if the added the function themselves...i would like them to..but they have said they do not want 3rd party programs at this moment? I'm ok with that, not everyone is.
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SE is going to fix it right?
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I didn't use it, but I still have to say that lack of ability to alt-tab is pretty debilitating to a game. I can count on one hand the number of games I can think of in FIFTEEN YEARS that crashed on alt-tab. FFXI and FFXIV are the only ones that come to mind.

They have a windowed mode, so it's not just that they think the idea of using your computer for something other than one thing at a time is heresy...

So why do they need to force people to pick between performance (fullscreen) and ability to multitask (window)?

I have a laptop and a second system next to me when I play so the ability to alt-tab doesn't hurt me TOO much, but not everyone has this luxury.

For every feature, there should be a reason. The game supports a mouse because PC users have a mouse. The game allows you to attack things because that's how you get XP. The game allows you to create a character because otherwise you couldn't play.

So what exactly is the BENEFIT to not being able to alt-tab in full screen? I cannot think of a single game that has come out for PC since 1995 that was a fullscreen game that crashed upon alt-tab every time. What is the positive, beneficial reasoning behind one game having this "feature" that no other game has? Anyone?
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SE is going to fix it right?


Yeah, maybe in about 4-5 years minimum knowing them.

Honestly, keeping alt+tab functionality out of a pc game now-a-days is just bad programming and planning, unless they had no intention of ever putting it in to begin with (betting on this one), it's basic. Why can I alt+tab out of starcraft (1 and 2) and diablo 2 (did the original diablo have this functionality? I don't know, I didn't actually play the original), but not FFXIV without a 3rd party program? I have never played a pc game other then FFXI and FFXIV that hasn't allowed me to do this natively. keeping it out is basically a big F-you to us. Though not a 'deal breaker' for me, it's something that would renew my faith in them that has been dwindling to nothingness in the past 6 years or so. It's standard, they just don't want to add it is why it's not in there.

Edit: also, I only have 1 PC to do stuff on. I don't have a fancy smartphone or anything to browse the internet on either. this pc is all i got for that stuff, so, yeah, I'll be using third party till they decide to actualy give us what we asked for to begin with, alt+tab functionality.

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footfoe wrote:
SE is going to fix it right?


They never fixed it in FFXI..

Oh they added a "windowed" mode that sort of fixed the problem, but it was strictly inferior to even Windower Lite (no plugins) because it still forced you have to the window border visible, you couldn't just use it to emulate fullscreen mode with the ability to alt+tab or minimize the FFXI window.

It never felt like a "decision" on SE's part in FFXIV to not allow alt+tab in fullscreen. You don't get an error message that says "Fullscreen mode was lost" or "Every time you alt+tab, Tanaka kills a puppy." The directx video driver just blows up when you alt+tab for some reason.

I'm not sure why anyone's bothering to defend FFXIV imprisoning your PC like this. The entire point of the Windows OS was to multi-task and be able to do more things at once.

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yeah i dont understand the people in this thread that are hating us that want an alt+tab function. its just plain out convenient and non hacky.
"so dont press alt+tab silly" someone said. what if i get an IM from my school proffessor? should your response be "so tell him your busy before hand"? NO it should be "well its super easy to add the function since amateur programs can do it themselves, so why not SE?"
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footfoe wrote:
SE is going to fix it right?
They've had 8 years to fix this in FFXI and they still haven't pulled it off yet...
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#39 Sep 24 2010 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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How do you switch to windowed mode?
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How do you switch to windowed mode?
In the separate config program. Check the start menu.
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#41 Sep 25 2010 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't use it, but I still have to say that lack of ability to alt-tab is pretty debilitating to a game. I can count on one hand the number of games I can think of in FIFTEEN YEARS that crashed on alt-tab. FFXI and FFXIV are the only ones that come to mind.

They have a windowed mode, so it's not just that they think the idea of using your computer for something other than one thing at a time is heresy...

So why do they need to force people to pick between performance (fullscreen) and ability to multitask (window)?

I have a laptop and a second system next to me when I play so the ability to alt-tab doesn't hurt me TOO much, but not everyone has this luxury.

For every feature, there should be a reason. The game supports a mouse because PC users have a mouse. The game allows you to attack things because that's how you get XP. The game allows you to create a character because otherwise you couldn't play.

So what exactly is the BENEFIT to not being able to alt-tab in full screen? I cannot think of a single game that has come out for PC since 1995 that was a fullscreen game that crashed upon alt-tab every time. What is the positive, beneficial reasoning behind one game having this "feature" that no other game has? Anyone?



I noticed that when I switched my TV input from HDMI to PC (I was trying to be a smart-*** and look at my other computer via the 'PC' input since FFXIV was in full screen mode to avoid tearing issues), it also crashed. Same error related to not detecting direct X. /sigh
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#42 Sep 29 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I just want full screen option that you can ALT+TAB from, not windowed with borders removed to look like full screen because I have a Radeon 4870x2 and I NEED actual full screen mode for Crossfire to be used. Crossfire never works in windowed mode at all.
on the windowerxiv.com it says the writer is doing a general dx9/10 option, is he able to write a copy that actually runs in full screen mode but you can ALT+Tab out of without crashing, like StarCraft 2 does?
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http://grismar.net/shiftwindow/


^^ BUMP ^^

This got buried in the replies but this runs the game in full screen windowed - works 100% brilliantly. It's not hacking, exploiting, etc. It simply removes the window border and title bar.

It doesn't inject or tamper with game files. Heck, you could use this for ANY window - not just FFXIV.

I'll add the Nvidia control panel allows you to add the ffxivboot.exe to its list of games to allow you to force FF to run SLI in windowed mode so shiftwindow + nvidia control panel = proper sli (50/50 work load, more fps, and runs cool) use in a simulated full screen experience.

I'm sure crossfire but have a similar control panel.

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#44 Sep 29 2010 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I just want full screen option that you can ALT+TAB from, not windowed with borders removed to look like full screen because I have a Radeon 4870x2 and I NEED actual full screen mode for Crossfire to be used. Crossfire never works in windowed mode at all.
on the windowerxiv.com it says the writer is doing a general dx9/10 option, is he able to write a copy that actually runs in full screen mode but you can ALT+Tab out of without crashing, like StarCraft 2 does?


Unless he is a real genius he won't be able to provide ALT+Tab for full screen. Reason is that the graphics subsystem of windows generates an event if focus is lost in full screen mode. The game has to respond properly to this event or it will crash / not be able to continue running if it gets focus again.

Responding to this event is not easy - basically it means that the game has to release all resources currently in use by it. If the game is not built to support that from the beginning it is pure programmer's **** to build it into the game code afterwards.

Bottom line: You should not expect a true full screen solution anytime soon. It has to be provided by SE - which means it may never come.
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I never understood whats the point of fullscreen windower.

In FFXIV Config app there is the option for fullscreen and windowed with resolution choices.

The only benefit i see to window a fullscreen is to have it windowed while having sli/crossfire working.


wait what? XFire works in windowed mode? or am I just reading wrong?
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The thing SE cannot get through their head is that PC's are not just glorified consoles. PC gamers need anti-malware, like voice chat, and have the crazy notion they should be able to use their PCs for what they are designed for. Way to go SE, you give us a broken game and threaten to sue someone for the heinous crime of trying to fix it.
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#47Inion, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 12:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) people are still complaining about this?
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