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#1 Sep 23 2010 at 1:31 AM Rating: Decent
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for one this game need better sorting seem to be cluttered way to much, i dont know why but they should of kept the ffxi armor equipping style, crafting menu suck so bad, seem tedious to keep going threw menu after menu, while crafting seem a bit easier getting threw menus is not seem to take to long just to begin crafting cause of the constant pause, slowed down menu system. I know there auto sorting for multiple items but what about everything else? seem like everything in the main menu seem to be horrendously slow.
#2 Sep 23 2010 at 1:33 AM Rating: Default
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for one this game need better sorting seem to be cluttered way to much, i dont know why but they should of kept the ffxi armor equipping style, crafting menu suck so bad, seem tedious to keep going threw menu after menu, while crafting seem a bit easier getting threw menus is not seem to take to long just to begin crafting cause of the constant pause, slowed down menu system. I know there auto sorting for multiple items but what about everything else? seem like everything in the main menu seem to be horrendously slow.


It's just a beta SE will have everything fixed by the time it's relea...


oh wait.





Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 4:34am by Lobivopis
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If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#3 Sep 23 2010 at 1:39 AM Rating: Default
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It must be ur lolcomputer
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#4 Sep 23 2010 at 1:43 AM Rating: Good
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I think of all the complaints I made during closed beta it was about the interface.
I was not alone either.

Fixing an interface or even overhauling it after release is really a pain in the ****. Perhaps that is why I was so adamant with my complaints. I am not talking bugs either, just the layout, the ability to customize it, the chat window, the information windows. All of it was bloated, difficult to navigate and confusing.

I really hope someone makes changes sooner rather than later, its not fun redesigning an interface months after people are used to it.
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#5 Sep 23 2010 at 1:53 AM Rating: Default
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It must be ur lolcomputer

i really dont think so, since i run ffxi past its limitation all the way to 1900x1900, and have no issues, and my net speed is 30 megs, so i know it not that, i know it not my processor cause im running a six core amd black edition push to 3.8 for now, i know it not my graphic card cause im running two 5890 crossfire, so um "lol it not my computer"
#6 Sep 23 2010 at 2:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I have no problem with the UI and I'm glad it different from the normal mmo UI aka wow,
I'm also even more glad there isn't no add-On
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#7 Sep 23 2010 at 2:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Ggrab wrote:
I have no problem with the UI and I'm glad it different from the normal mmo UI aka wow,
I'm also even more glad there isn't no add-On


The complaint isn't that it's not like WoW the complaint is that it sucks.

FFXI had a UI that was different than WoW which didn't suck.
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#8 Sep 23 2010 at 2:56 AM Rating: Decent
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I thought FFXI's UI was cumbersome, boring, and let's not even start talking about customization. I find the FFXIV UI to be kind of refreshing and minimalistic, which is nice. No fancy shmancy graphics, just very clean and non-intrusive. No MMO at launch has a 100% polished UI...I can't remember a MMO in the last 10 years that hasn't had constant UI updates to incorporate player feedback & adjustments to performance.

It's only been, like, 24 hours... Smiley: dubious
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#9 Sep 23 2010 at 3:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Ryneguy wrote:
I thought FFXI's UI was cumbersome, boring, and let's not even start talking about customization. I find the FFXIV UI to be kind of refreshing and minimalistic, which is nice. No fancy shmancy graphics, just very clean and non-intrusive.


FFXIV's menus make you perform unnecessary actions to get from point a to point B within the UI. It is the exact opposite of minimalistic.
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#10 Sep 23 2010 at 3:52 AM Rating: Good
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Initially I didn't like the FFXI UI either but after a few months I didn't even notice it. Once I started playing WoW then I found that UI strange as I was used to FFXI.

Basically I would think that in 6 months you won't even notice it and if they do change it around that time you will probably complain because by then you will be used to the way it is now.
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#11 Sep 23 2010 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Ryneguy wrote:
I thought FFXI's UI was cumbersome, boring, and let's not even start talking about customization. I find the FFXIV UI to be kind of refreshing and minimalistic, which is nice. No fancy shmancy graphics, just very clean and non-intrusive. No MMO at launch has a 100% polished UI...I can't remember a MMO in the last 10 years that hasn't had constant UI updates to incorporate player feedback & adjustments to performance.

It's only been, like, 24 hours... Smiley: dubious

FFXI UI was cumbersome? the UI was actually more precise then this exhausting, horrid UI. In ffxi everything there was in order, manageable, everything could be sorted out, what you needed what you did'nt, everthing was there at your fingertips straight forward and to the point the menu lead you to were you needed, in ffxiv everything has no sense of belonging, clutter, with no thought behind it, it is slow in response, and tedious and lacks in design. even the chat menu fails, a spammer can take fill up your chat window with just a few line of texts. instead of surpassing ffxi UI it failed behind. most game get there **** right after the first beta and get all the kinks out, this game has a few betas and still cant get nothing done right.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 7:08am by gaiaxzero
#12 Sep 23 2010 at 5:18 AM Rating: Decent
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My problem with the UI is that it is worse than the UI of even Everquest, which launched in 1999. It was if the UI was designed by people who had never played a MMO.
#13Hugus, Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 5:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I've seen this thread (or others about the same issue) about a dozen times but not once did I read siomeone presenting a way to make the UI more friendly (maybe with the exception of:make it like WoW).
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Hugus wrote:
I've seen this thread (or others about the same issue) about a dozen times but not once did I read siomeone presenting a way to make the UI more friendly (maybe with the exception of:make it like WoW).

I still say that players just need to get used to it.


the whole UI should be user friendly, ffxi was user friendly and look how that turn out. better understanding does lead to better game play, but complexity leads to head aches. Im not saying that in time ppl will get use to it, but if you had a formula that works why mess with it or make it worst.


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Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 7:38am by gaiaxzero
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gaiaxzero wrote:
Hugus wrote:
I've seen this thread (or others about the same issue) about a dozen times but not once did I read siomeone presenting a way to make the UI more friendly (maybe with the exception of:make it like WoW).

I still say that players just need to get used to it.


the whole UI should be user friendly, ffxi was user friendly and look how that turn out. better understanding does lead to better game play, but complexity leads to head aches. Im not saying that in time ppl will get use to it, but if you had a formula that works why mess with it or make it worst.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 7:38am by gaiaxzero


That's the thing, you say how bad it is but don't offer in any way to improve it.
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i really dont think so, since i run ffxi past its limitation all the way to 1900x1900, and have no issues, and my net speed is 30 megs, so i know it not that, i know it not my processor cause im running a six core amd black edition push to 3.8 for now, i know it not my graphic card cause im running two
    5890 crossfire
, so um "lol it not my computer"


Ummmm........what?
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Hugus wrote:
I've seen this thread (or others about the same issue) about a dozen times but not once did I read siomeone presenting a way to make the UI more friendly (maybe with the exception of:make it like WoW).

I still say that players just need to get used to it.


False. Plenty of people have offered suggestions to help make it a better UI.

I'll provide a few.

1. Allow us to route/customize/create new chats window. We should be able to have "tabs" that allow us to sort by damage, text chat, ls chat, or even loot if we'd like. I'm not sure if there is any way to lock opacity but that'd be nice as well.

2. Provide simple hotkeys to basic functions like quest journal (J), or combat skills (K). Something to that effect would be nice, as all as the ability to customize it.

3. A more intuitive system for comparing, sorting and equipping gear. EQ2 has a nice interface for this, so if you're all against WoW you can pull from other great games.

4. The ability to sort/lock/select items to be sold to the vendor. I realize this is more of a functional type of deal, but it also relies heavily on the interface.

I'll provide more ideas later, but I have to go to work.
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Did the OP mean he has a 5970? Or two 5870s in crossfire? I ask this because the 5890 does not exist.

Also, to be on topic - this menu system was mainly made for use with a controller and the PS3 in mind. That is why it seems really counter-intuitive when using a keyboard and mouse. I think it would be nice if they did offer some better features for the PC users though.
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I like the UI for the most part, being able to rearrange is a big step up from XI Smiley: thumbsup

One thing I really really really really really really really want is for ctrl+r to reply to the last tell. You can hit space (to start a line of chat), then hit ctrl + r but that only works for people you have sent /tells to first. That is my only gripe so far.
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#20 Sep 23 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Default
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Personally I don't see where all of the complaining about it comes from... I find it easy to use and I played the XI for years so I know what that one was like. Not sure how people get confused using something this simple. The only thing that I don't like is that I cant change the color of my chat font and background so that I can see it easier and sorting items would be nice. I am sure that they will implement these later.
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Personally I don't see where all of the complaining about it comes from... I find it easy to use and I played the XI for years so I know what that one was like. Not sure how people get confused using something this simple. The only thing that I don't like is that I cant change the color of my chat font and background so that I can see it easier and sorting items would be nice. I am sure that they will implement these later.


It's seemingly simple and little things that are annoying. They've added an extra confirmation or menu in so many aspects of the game compared to FFXI. If I want to check my buddy list, I have to go Social Lists then decide if I want to look at my Friend's List or my Blacklist. Come on...how often am I going to be check out my blacklist? Show the friend's list by default.
#22 Sep 23 2010 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Alright... as far as that one goes I will agree with you on. Other than that one though I didn't really see anything I found to be odd. Only being a little over 24 hours since release I would imagine there will be plenty of changes in the next month alone to compensate for some things.
#23 Sep 23 2010 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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Hugus wrote:
I've seen this thread (or others about the same issue) about a dozen times but not once did I read siomeone presenting a way to make the UI more friendly (maybe with the exception of:make it like WoW).

I still say that players just need to get used to it.


False. Plenty of people have offered suggestions to help make it a better UI.

I'll provide a few.

1. Allow us to route/customize/create new chats window. We should be able to have "tabs" that allow us to sort by damage, text chat, ls chat, or even loot if we'd like. I'm not sure if there is any way to lock opacity but that'd be nice as well.

2. Provide simple hotkeys to basic functions like quest journal (J), or combat skills (K). Something to that effect would be nice, as all as the ability to customize it.

3. A more intuitive system for comparing, sorting and equipping gear. EQ2 has a nice interface for this, so if you're all against WoW you can pull from other great games.

4. The ability to sort/lock/select items to be sold to the vendor. I realize this is more of a functional type of deal, but it also relies heavily on the interface.

I'll provide more ideas later, but I have to go to work.


Amen to all of the above, brotha!
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#24 Sep 24 2010 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Hugus wrote:
gaiaxzero wrote:
Hugus wrote:
I've seen this thread (or others about the same issue) about a dozen times but not once did I read siomeone presenting a way to make the UI more friendly (maybe with the exception of:make it like WoW).

I still say that players just need to get used to it.


the whole UI should be user friendly, ffxi was user friendly and look how that turn out. better understanding does lead to better game play, but complexity leads to head aches. Im not saying that in time ppl will get use to it, but if you had a formula that works why mess with it or make it worst.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 7:38am by gaiaxzero


That's the thing, you say how bad it is but don't offer in any way to improve it.


Change to FFXI's UI with a few modifications for FFXIV specific things. Add the ability to split the chat box into 2 or 3 sub boxes with filters.

There, it's better.

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It's seemingly simple and little things that are annoying. They've added an extra confirmation or menu in so many aspects of the game compared to FFXI. If I want to check my buddy list, I have to go Social Lists then decide if I want to look at my Friend's List or my Blacklist. Come on...how often am I going to be check out my blacklist? Show the friend's list by default.


Basicly the problem is this.

In FFXI menues were arranged like this

Main
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Default menu -> Alternate menu


FFXIV is like this

Main
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menu
/ | \
Sub menus



This is the kind of mistake made by people who don't know anything about designing an efficient UI. It might seem all neat and organized but it it slows things down by forcing the user to take additional actions to get to what they want.


It is much more efficient to put the most commonly used actions on a default menu and then put the less commonly used actions on an alternate menu that can be flipped to while on the default menu.

FFXI's UI had a learning curve but it was efficient once you learned everything.

FFXIV's UI will never be as efficient because they have inserted unnecessary actions into getting from point A to point B within the UI.

In UI design less is more. You should only add a sub menu when you absolutely have to for things such as data input for a selected action.



Edited, Sep 24th 2010 4:04am by Lobivopis
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If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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