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#1 Sep 23 2010 at 1:14 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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What a piece of work these clowns are... Made a post on their forums relaying the woes of this extremely 'iffy' launch... and got berated, belittled, and "Warned" yes WARNED by their admins/moderators to keep my mouth shut unless it was something positive towards the game... Been an avid fan of zam for years, **** with them idiots over at ffxivcore.com

With that said... so how is Gamestop and the rest of em going to handle returns on this PoS?

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 2:22pm by Wint
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If you've opened it, like any other game, you can't return it. They won't buy it back either, MMO's don't go well with reselling.
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PC games cannot be resold. If they do that now, news to me.
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I thought GS/EB doesn't accept returns/trade-ins on PC games because of registration keys?
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Oh do explain to me how I am an idiot, or you just flapping your lips to get a quick movement... My only question is, how the **** did you manage to get an account with that kind of mentality? Personally you seem to stupid to speak to me thus far... /shrug


If you wanted to know how GAMESTOP was going to handle returns why didn't you just call them instead of posting here?

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Oh Flix, must you bring your whiplashing tongue so soon? Smiley: bah

To the OP, I'm sorry you were told you can't lash out at the game at Core, but don't expect to be able to return a game you opened, used, and didn't like. Demanding you be able to do so won't get you much sympathy from our community either. I suggest you re-word your complaints in a more rational manner and then maybe people can help you.
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Oh Flix, must you bring your whiplashing tongue so soon? Smiley: bah

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No, you're not, and you know it. There is a right way and a wrong way to treat people and you know which one you're doing. If you're going to spit bile at people in this community, then just don't post in it please.
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Edit: Quote removed.

As FlixEffects post and quote was removed by an admin, I have removed my post.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 3:56pm by Osanshouo
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No, you're not, and you know it. There is a right way and a wrong way to treat people and you know which one you're doing. If you're going to spit bile at people in this community, then just don't post in it please.


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#17 Sep 23 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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You can't return a MMO, the registration key is now invalid and can't be used in a new account.

I tried to warn people, and I got flamed up and down because of it.



Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 3:00pm by bsphil
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#18 Sep 23 2010 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh Flix, must you bring your whiplashing tongue so soon? Smiley: bah

To the OP, I'm sorry you were told you can't lash out at the game at Core, but don't expect to be able to return a game you opened, used, and didn't like. Demanding you be able to do so won't get you much sympathy from our community either. I suggest you re-word your complaints in a more rational manner and then maybe people can help you.


^ Pikko beat me to it.

But yeah, visiting Core was your first mistake Smiley: wink

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 1:03pm by Osarion
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bsphil wrote:
You can't return a MMO, the registration key is now invalid and can't be used in a new account.

I tried to warn people, and I got flamed up and down because of it.



Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 3:00pm by bsphil


Yes, but your bsphil, aren't you always wrong Smiley: confused


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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Pikko wrote:
Oh Flix, must you bring your whiplashing tongue so soon? Smiley: bah

To the OP, I'm sorry you were told you can't lash out at the game at Core, but don't expect to be able to return a game you opened, used, and didn't like. Demanding you be able to do so won't get you much sympathy from our community either. I suggest you re-word your complaints in a more rational manner and then maybe people can help you.


^ Pikko beat me to it.

But yeah, visiting Core was your first mistake Smiley: wink

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 1:03pm by Osarion


There is nothing wrong with core, its just another fan based ffxiv website. Based on the post i'm not surprised at all they way they responded. Especially considering it wasn't in the slightest constructive and half of the complaints were of it being related to an MMO just launching (server issues and server population lockouts).
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#21 Sep 23 2010 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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Your best bet is to try to contact SE and see if they will refund you (good luck).

PC games have not been returnable in YEARS, online or otherwise. Even without the fact that it comes with a one time key that expires upon use, it's already worthless for resale. Toss in the key and there's no way you're going to get your money back once you open the box, short of contacting the manufacturer.

There is a "If you don't agree to these terms of use, contact us and we will refund you" clause in most ToS contracts. You can -try- to contact SE.
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#22 Sep 23 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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Wint wrote:
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You can't return a MMO, the registration key is now invalid and can't be used in a new account.

I tried to warn people, and I got flamed up and down because of it.


Yes, but your bsphil, aren't you always wrong Smiley: confused


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I'm curious to see what exactly he did post.
If he was warned because it was offensive that's one thing.
Warning him because the feedback is negative would be completely unprofessional.
People should be able to say what they want even if their opinion isn't popular.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 4:51pm by Osanshouo
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Are you talking about the OP post on Core?
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I think he was talking about the OP at the CORE website
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Are you talking about the OP post on Core?

Yep

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I agree that what FFXIVcore did sounds unprofessional. I don't like to use their site after the whole scandal about them trying to sell beta keys broke out.

To the OP, your best bet is just to sell the game on ebay, at a slight loss, if you hate the game and want to get something back for it.
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I agree that what FFXIVcore did sounds unprofessional. I don't like to use their site after the whole scandal about them trying to sell beta keys broke out.


wow, I must have been away when that happened lol.
Did they outright sell them or did they do something similar to File Planet.
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Dunno if they can sell it on ebay because of the product code associated to the actual game.
but again if an account was made they could sell the acct info . . . but that would be considered rmt.

So its shady but really their only viable option.

I am not saying its ok to do, just its a possible option. Personally i would refrain from doing that.
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Osanshouo wrote:
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I agree that what FFXIVcore did sounds unprofessional. I don't like to use their site after the whole scandal about them trying to sell beta keys broke out.


wow, I must have been away when that happened lol.
Did they outright sell them or did they do something similar to File Planet.


Someone had a chat log of an admin basically saying if you "donate" $100 to FFXIVcore we can get you a beta key. The admin at FFXIVcore admitted to doing it, he apologized and said he was wrong, yadda yadda yadda. But I'm pretty sure if he wasn't caught, he wouldn't have changed his mind about offering a beta key for money.
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But I'm pretty sure if he wasn't caught, he wouldn't have changed his mind about offering a beta key for money.
Well duh, he would have no reason to backpedal.
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What I found particularly sleazy about it was there was no such thing as keys back then. Square Enix was manually granting access to specific accounts.
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bsphil wrote:
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But I'm pretty sure if he wasn't caught, he wouldn't have changed his mind about offering a beta key for money.
Well duh, he would have no reason to backpedal.


Well there is something called a conscience, which could have kicked in, but apparently that doesn't apply to all thingsanything on the Internet.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 2:41pm by Cyiode
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Osanshouo wrote:
I'm curious to see what exactly he did post.
If he was warned because it was offensive that's one thing.
Warning him because the feedback is negative would be completely unprofessional.
People should be able to say what they want even if their opinion isn't popular.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 4:51pm by Osanshouo


Pretty sure this was the post: *Taken from FFXIVCORE*

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Well, if the doubts of SE's ability to throw us a bone in the modern world of MMO's was ever in question... Their stunning failure during this 'early' release playtime should confirm the blatant failure... They cant keep their login server up even for the early CE release, how do they expect to after the official launch? Login servers aside (which should of been cleared up in closed beta), they cant manage the servers with any amount of competency... They are locking this server and that server so ppl who bought the CE to play together are unable to do so (friend A gets on server A, but his rl pals are unable to, hence rendering both parties unable to play if they wish to play together)... The UI is utter garbage (nuff said, no debate there), the content is shoddy at best... Its a sad day when the game is a failure right out of the gate... Its a shame really, was looking forward to FFXIV to break the hum-drum MMO routine of todays MMO's, but alas, SE thus-far has done little to nothing to live up to any reputation of MMO standards... Going to give them the rest of today (for 1/4 of the early release allotted time), then return both CE's I bought... An unplayable game is just that, unplayable, and should not be entertained with even the notion of paying for on an on-going basis...


I absolutely agree that anyone has the right to say anything about the game they purchase, afterall they did pay for it. To me what he posted is hardly constructive, if it were more like this http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=128526957471285740&page=1 then it probably wouldn't have been a problem.


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I absolutely agree that anyone has the right to say anything about the game they purchase, afterall they did pay for it. To me what he posted is hardly constructive,


Constructive, no, but critical posts about a product rarely are. Although the post isn't inaccurate either.

Fanboys will be fanboys, and they will continue to find any way possible to justify flaws. The flaws that can't be justified will simply be ignored. If that fanboy happens to be a forum mod, the post will simply be removed.
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[quote=Osanshouo]I'm curious to see what exactly he did post.
I absolutely agree that anyone has the right to say anything about the game they purchase, afterall they did pay for it. To me what he posted is hardly constructive, if it were more like this http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=128526957471285740&page=1 then it probably wouldn't have been a problem.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 4:56pm by Ipwnrice


His formatting was sickening, I seriously felt like I had ADD reading it as I could not focus at all and had to go over it several times.
He made some valid points though, even if they were a bit harsh, and he should be allowed to post what he thinks.
I am really surprised at FFXIV Core from what I have seen in this thread and I will not be using their site anymore.

Do people seriously only want to read posts that echo their opinions?
Seems like it might be easier to just cut out the middle man and jerk each other off irl.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 6:29pm by Osanshouo
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What a piece of work these clowns are... Made a post on their forums relaying the woes of this extremely 'iffy' launch... and got berated, belittled, and "Warned" yes WARNED by their admins/moderators to keep my mouth shut unless it was something positive towards the game... Been an avid fan of zam for years, **** with them idiots over at ffxivcore.com

With that said... so how is Gamestop and the rest of em going to handle returns on this PoS?

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But I'm pretty sure if he wasn't caught, he wouldn't have changed his mind about offering a beta key for money.
Well duh, he would have no reason to backpedal.
Well there is something called a conscience, which could have kicked in, but apparently that doesn't apply to all thingsanything on the Internet.
Well if he had that there wouldn't be these extreme issues with the site that we're currently talking about.

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Constructive, no, but critical posts about a product rarely are. Although the post isn't inaccurate either.
Eh? In the same way that glowing posts about a product aren't helpful either?

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#39zoltanrs, Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 4:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Most the people complaining are Drama queens. They've never been in a video game release and don't know how they go. They'll swear otherwise but their own incompetence shines through if you read their gibberish. Returning an mmo with a used key, can't figure out simple controls, mad that SE is taking measures to prevent total crashes and lag for the other thousands of players on a server, mad that they don't know basic networking/computer repair skills etc.
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The opposite is true as well. A hater will seek out and inflate all possible flaws in all possible ways usually to the neglect of the game's positive points.

The difference is, haters are the first to explode and spread their brand of 'criticism' (Read: Needless repetitive and incessant whining.) While "Fanboi's" are typically content to simply play the game until their experience is interrupted by the unabashed hatred of the game.

A fanboi will see constructive criticism, nod at it, speak their justifications and keep on playing.

A hater, however, will look at balanced criticism and look at it as validation to continue to complain. And when that matter is solved, they will simply move onto the next 'flaw' to champion, and become a general nuisance.

This is where there are conflicts, because someone who enjoys their experiences is going to defending. Because, well, they enjoy it. While a hater, or someone who thoroughly hates the game will not stop, even if they become validated in their opinion that the game 'sucks, is horrible, etc.'

I enjoy the game, in spite of all it's flaws. (And I acknowledge them.) Do some of the listed issues in the game bother me? Yes, but not nearly as much as the people who think that throwing it in people's faces at every single opportunity is a good idea.

Do I think the game is underdeveloped? No. The system is well made apart from cruxes like no Auction House and limited purchasable equipment.

Are the Guildleve's repetitive? Yes, but in part that's what makes then enjoyable. Quick, easy to accomplish, and it shows hints of progressive 'twists' to each of them.

The character development shows REAL promise and the cut-scenes thus far have been high caliber. The renovations to crafting and gathering and the fact that there is inclusion of those in the quest system is a welcome change to crafting in general, in my opinion.

There's more than enough good here to swallow the bad and still enjoy playing, in my opinion. But when people sit and rant and rant about the flaws in the game, my reactions are "Alright already, it needs to get fixed, SHUT UP and let it happen!"

If opinions are like @#%^s, then people who decide to whipe their asses all over the park lawn aren't much better than dogs.
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They've never been in a video game release and don't know how they go. They'll swear otherwise but their own incompetence shines through if you read their gibberish.
There have def been some good posts of things that need fixed. Most of the people are just whining tho.


Actually a lot of people have had valid complaints.
I thought his post was far from constructive in the way it was presented but I don't think it called for admin intervention.

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Returning an mmo with a used key, can't figure out simple controls, mad that SE is taking measures to prevent total crashes and lag for the other thousands of players on a server, mad that they don't know basic networking/computer repair skills etc.


When you really think about it, why don't they have some kind of return policy?
They could limit returns to 30 days from the purchase date and make arrangements with retailers.
Retailers could contact SE to confirm the game was being returned whenever one was brought in.
There is no reason they could not void the key and erase the entire account, then give a new key to the retailer.
The retailer could then reimburse some of the buyer's money or give them a girt card and sell the game used at a discount.

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Most the people complaining are Drama queens.

It's really all subjective, I find the posts complaining about the complainers equally dramatic.

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A fanboi will see constructive criticism, nod at it, speak their justifications and keep on playing.

Apparently you have never heard of The Juggalos.

You make some good points, there are people who just decide they don't like something and just say whatever they can to defame it.
There are also people who decide they are completely in love with something and will blindly defend every aspect of it, flaming anyone who would say anything negative about it.

Your post is extremely biased, not everyone who criticizes the game dislikes it or hates it.
I personally don't like "**** Riders" (I'm sorry I refuse to use the other term) or "Haters," and wish people would make objective posts.
It's much more interesting to me to have a heated debate than an all out flame with people who don't know the difference between debating or arguing and disagreeing or hating.
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Just to clarify, my fanboy (or however it's spelled) comment was directed towards the admins of FFXIVCore as a reason for removing the post, not at anyone here.

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Fanboys will be fanboys, and they will continue to find any way possible to justify flaws.

The opposite is true as well. A hater will seek out and inflate all possible flaws in all possible ways usually to the neglect of the game's positive points.


Agreed

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The difference is, haters are the first to explode and spread their brand of 'criticism' (Read: Needless repetitive and incessant whining.) While "Fanboi's" are typically content to simply play the game until their experience is interrupted by the unabashed hatred of the game.


I think you have that a bit backwards. It usually starts with someone pointing out glaring flaws in a less than constructive manner, usually with more than a hint of bias (which may be justified if they just payed for the game), then the fanboys stepping in with the plethora of excuses, eventually turning it into a flame war.

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A fanboi will see constructive criticism, nod at it, flame the criticism and keep on playing.


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I have seen very few civil debates about the positives and negatives that have not turned into flame wars within a few posts. A thought out debate would be nice, but it's not going to happen.

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A hater, however, will look at balanced criticism and look at it as validation to continue to complain. And when that matter is solved, they will simply move onto the next 'flaw' to champion, and become a general nuisance.


I'll give you the fact that most complaints aren't properly constructed but how exactly do you expect something to be fixed if the community doesn't hound those responsible for fixing it?

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This is where there are conflicts, because someone who enjoys their experiences is going to defending. Because, well, they enjoy it. While a hater, or someone who thoroughly hates the game will not stop, even if they become validated in their opinion that the game 'sucks, is horrible, etc.'


If you enjoy it, go play it, it's pointless to defend it against someone who doesn't like it. However if you don't like it, say so. He who ******* the loudest generally gets results, that's simply how it works.

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I enjoy the game, in spite of all it's flaws. (And I acknowledge them.) Do some of the listed issues in the game bother me? Yes, but not nearly as much as the people who think that throwing it in people's faces at every single opportunity is a good idea.


I don't mean to come off as a prick but if you're letting them get to you, that's your problem, not the games. The only way to get results is to submit feedback. i.e. ***** and moan. Not the most subtle, but usually effective.

The hardware mouse is a perfect example. People threw a fit and guess what, there it is.

Hyrist, ****** Superhero wrote:
Do I think the game is underdeveloped? No. The system is well made apart from cruxes like no Auction House and limited purchasable equipment.

Are the Guildleve's repetitive? Yes, but in part that's what makes then enjoyable. Quick, easy to accomplish, and it shows hints of progressive 'twists' to each of them.


That's your opinion, which you're entitled to. Others may disagree, which they are entitled to do as well. The problem is that it's the fanboys who I generally see berating the haters for not liking the game, not the other way around.

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There's more than enough good here to swallow the bad and still enjoy playing, in my opinion. But when people sit and rant and rant about the flaws in the game, my reactions are "Alright already, it needs to get fixed, SHUT UP and let it happen!"


So you've stated your opinion, yet you get upset when others express theirs. See the problem here? And no, ignoring it and hoping it eventually gets fixed doesn't work. As I said previously, he who ******* the loudest generally gets results.

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Those with complaints have a valid reason to voice their opinion, to get them fixed. Those who voice there opinion simply to justify a flaw with an excuse, well, that's kind of pointless.

Honestly, which is going to be more effective:

I'm not paying for this crap unless you fix this, this, and this.
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This is broken but I know you're busy and I'm going to keep giving you my money so don't worry about it.

Not hard to see which one a company is going to listen to.

Granted the criticism should be a bit more constructive, but that would require the general public to be able to string more than three words together.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 4:13pm by Raolan
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