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#102 Sep 30 2010 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Sorry, I spend enough time of my life "feeling like a business person." I just want to relax and play a video game.
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Ok lets put this in a much simpler form that everyone will understand. Why would i want to enter that very laggy bazaar place and spend up to an hour browing every freakin seller in hopes that *maybe* one of them will hold , say, Chest piece i could use ... ?? i want to go there, bring up the search engine, locate the thing i want and be gone in 15 mins or less so i can spend the time i have out there doing quests or killing monsters yes.

I understand that some people like that fact of spending hours there browsing every vendor but i fail to see how an AH system would prevent that heh. I am of those peoples who doesnt appreciate being there endlessly and end up leaving that place without the item(s) i came looking for there in the first place
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I just want to know who was smoking what at SE when they came up with the Retainer idea.

Was it proposed like this:

"Hey everyone...I have this idea of everyone in the game having a helper who will sell items for them. It will be great...it will promote bartering and increase the social aspect of the game. We will have them put their ROBOT in a room full of random ROBOTS where they can set up one by one(up to 10 item max of course)worth of items to sell, without knowing if the prices reflect the current economy prices...it will be a hoot. Then, other players can go into these rooms of ROBOTS and randomly select ROBOTS and hopefully find what they are looking for...assuming the lag in the ROBOT rooms makes the ROBOTS appear. Kinda of like hide and go seek without really knowing what you are seeking. It will be a blast."

Another SE programmer then says "How about the Auction system we used in FFXI...which we worked soooo hard to perfect?" How about we use that and tweak it a bit and make it even better"

Evidently question 2 was never asked...

I WANT MY AH!!!!!

Makes it really tough to get into this game without being able to sell my stuff. That was one of my favorite things about FFXI. nothing better than getting off work the next day after a night full of putting things up for auction...and to see what was sold. ****...I miss those days.



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#105 Oct 07 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
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We should have a petition.

But it blows my mind that the next update won't have a AH. They want to divide the market in item-categories.

Not gonna work, cause many bazaars have random items.
#106 Oct 07 2010 at 9:33 PM Rating: Good
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The majority of people responding they enjoy the idea of not having an auction house are merely saying that to say it. In reality, the theory (whatever it may be) of having no AH is bogus. You CAN NOT find what you are looking for in a timely manner. Most of the time you can not find it at all. IMHO it is a bogus front to keep the economy down until the masses are playing FFXIV. There likely will not be an AH until the PS release of FFXIV. I like to play FFXIV to step aside ever so briefly from the turmoil of RL. However, anyone living in America right now probably feels the only difference between the FFXIV economy and our economy is the leadership.
#107 Oct 07 2010 at 9:42 PM Rating: Default
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On an after thought. Every1 should remove their retainer from the wards and just stop using them. Then let the people that "LOVE" to use them see how much they love to use them when no one use them (kinda ran on a little there). And (As much as I hate to say this), everyone just start spamming trade requests. The only good use of the retainer is the 80 storage spots. Hence, the name of my retainer, "*****". She is there to merely keep whatever I decide to deposit in her at any given moment...
#108 Oct 10 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Default
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I wouldn't mind if there was nobody else but me on the server ;D
I like it better when I can make everything myself, to wear a shirt you have made yourself is awesome.
Auction house wouldn't be as realistic as the current system, but I too, think they should put it in as soon as possible.
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#110 Oct 10 2010 at 11:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it would be ok to even have one AH where u can put up a very limited ammount of items, lets say 5. But when people search for and find the item there looking for you should be able to see what that person retainer is called and what market ward its in. This way if someone is selling 5 stacks of logs or something and u know where to find there retainer ( likly with the same or simular goods ) you can have a starting point to search for more items not on the AH.
#111 Oct 11 2010 at 2:08 AM Rating: Default
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I like the retainer system, reminds me of Rolenberry Mall...but I do agree it needs a search function.


agreed.


I also agree with a search function, but wouldn't that make it just like an AH? If you had a search function which you could then buy from then yes, it would be.

Perhaps if they implemented it so you could search and find the name of the retainer with the item your looking for and the ward in which they're sat it would be slightly different. But that difference would just be a complete pain in the *** difference - you still need to go to some room packed full of NPC's, wait for them all to pop and then go about finding the one with what you're after? What's the point in that?

I quite like the retainer idea, but in addition to an Auction House, not instead of one! This way most people could get away with NPC-ing the crap, sticking the popular stuff on the AH and sell any extra stuff with their retainer that they might not be able to sell on an AH, like Dynamis currency in FFXI.

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#112 Oct 11 2010 at 2:14 AM Rating: Decent
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think the countering RMT from taking over from the start, seeing how they can play 24/7 vs a normal humans few hours. maybe when they see some higher level crafting jobs on a big percent of the population they'll add a AH that way there no monopoly for the RMT like every other mmo's AH from day one. and there probly working out a way to see who's buying gil by mass money increases and they have nothing to prove they made it(server side).

what they need to do it is bring FFXI's search/party menu back that thing was about as good as they come.

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 4:16am by mitmystria
#113 Oct 11 2010 at 2:29 AM Rating: Default
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Bitterzoet wrote:
We should have a petition.

But it blows my mind that the next update won't have a AH. They want to divide the market in item-categories.

Not gonna work, cause many bazaars have random items.


I totally agree with this; those wanting to sell more than one type of item are now going to be forced into having multiple retainers.
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#114 Oct 11 2010 at 4:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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The person who decided to write off the auction house and brought up this stupid market ward thing should be fired.
#115 Oct 11 2010 at 11:03 PM Rating: Decent
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what they need to do it is bring FFXI's search/party menu back that thing was about as good as they come.


^^ Right there. Why mess with something that was good? While I understand the whole concept of XIV being 'different' from XI, I still can't help but feel they should have took some of the things from XI to be placed as (at least) an idea, then made into something better if possible.
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Anyway, I frankly do miss having an Auction House as well. Since I've started using a retainer I haven't sold a single thing.
I don't craft (yet).(I don't want to start crafting until I have decent money saved up so I can buy materials and farm them as well)

I just farmed up some materials and tried to sell cheap like 70g for shards as an example. I haven't had a single buyer yet. Some things are good to sell to the NPC vendor but, I'm just not feeling the love.

What I'm hoping for is a big big big change in the retainer system, or an AH that is tweaked to satisfy.

In either case, whatever they do decide to do,
I would like a fast, easy, efficient and less troublesome form of selling items to other players so I can spend more time doing what I want to do with the game that I will pay for each month D: Oh, and also eliminate the troublesome task of running around for hours trying to find said item for the buyers. :)

Is that so much to ask?

I've come to find that the retainer system was a neat idea on paper. However, instead of just a little search house, we have massive retainer bodies some of which don't load up... which means people are missing them.

I don't want to have my 'income' based on this half-baked thing and leves. I'm patiently waiting for improvements and using leves for money for now.
#116 Oct 12 2010 at 1:43 AM Rating: Default
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First off you started getting trolled right off the bat by the rtard that started teh be self sufficient waste of data speal..

farming mats to make any craft is overly intensive you have to be a jack of all trades to even make gear sure you can power level to lv 50 by making mats but they wont be usefull mats ie undyed are useless if you want dyed you need to complete an impossible oddysy to find dye or mats for a dye and you need alot of dye not just a little that some guy has left over and the mats are so random that you ahve to wonder if their strategy is to have you be stuck paying just to make a lv 4 vest by then your phys lv will be 38 and youll wonder why you even needed that lv 4 vest even tho its an upgrade from your lv 1 that you where able to craft......

this game needs a godd **** auction house the market ward idea is retarded and needs to go away. a tax break omfg please try to push your anti cimunism elsewhere well take twice the tax if we can just goto a ******* auction house !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#117 Oct 14 2010 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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All I know is as a Rank 10 archer, I'm still using the withered shortbow as well as all the withered noob gear. I spent the worst part of one and a half to two hours looking for better gear and a better bow because I've out grown the withered bow you start out with. I'm not going to pay 30k gil for the maple bow sold by an NPC as it will, like most things in FFXI, probably only last me 2-3 Ranks before I need another weapon. In the one anf a half to two hours I spent looking for a bow and some kind of gear, I found nothing. I decided to try my hand at making my own but it'd take one to two weeks just to level woodworking for the bow, weaving for the string, and alchemy for the glue. And thats not counting the gathering professions as well as the other professions to make my own arrows and armor. Its not about being lazy, its about not having the time to do that. Not having an AH is enough to kill the game for me, not to mention the broken UI and other restictions to this game. SE has until my free time expires to implement an AH system or I'm gone. A game should not frustrate anyone just because one can't get gear needed for leveling.


Time sink =/= difficulty.
#118 Oct 14 2010 at 9:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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On the other hand I bet the process would be quicker with a way to search through all the retainers, this is necessary, no question about it, it's just that for now I'm having fun even without it.


I like the retainer system, reminds me of Rolenberry Mall...but I do agree it needs a search function.


Hmm... A retainer system... with a search function.

****, let's even eliminate the retainer because it's a useless graphic. Let's make a system based around a search function.

We'll call it... an AUCTION HOUSE!


Hmmm... A quest system... with nice rewards at the end.

****, let's even eliminate the story because it's a useless literary device. Let's make a game based around completing non-sequitor requirements.

Yes, this sounds fun.

And we can go ahead and take out zone design. Who cares if we're fighting in a forest or a desert or a grassland? How about just a big, boxy, single color plane. ****, we can let people customize which color it is. I mean, the rocks and grass and trees and buildings are all useless graphics, they take up space when we could just focus on killing stuff.

OK, I think here's the problem, people just can't wrap their minds around the idea that weavers and blacksmiths are jobs meant to be just as involved as marauders and conjurers. Whereas the DoM and DoW go out and fight things to gain ranks and levels, we gather raw materials or craft for ours.



Dear lord, so searching through hundreds of retainer is a challenging aspect of crafting. The mindless act of teleporting from ward to ward and then clicking on retainer after retainer in hopes of finding what you want is what noone in their right mind would call challenging/involving part of crafting.

The current market system is broken which in essence makes crafting broken.
#119 Oct 14 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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I agree that no AH or search function for wards makes crafting, and buying gear a sever pain. I can spend 30min+ searching a ward and still not hit all the retainers in there because they load so slow, and some don't load at all. The retainer system is nice since as far as I can tell there is now housing (never really looked for it, or heard anything about it) they work similar to that.

I've spent more time searching wards the past few days searching wards feeling like the Zombie retainers are going to eat my brains. I swear I actually seen one try to sneak up on me when I wasn't looking.

I can not stand searching the tons and tons of retainers, and I am sure I am not alone.
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#120 Oct 14 2010 at 11:47 PM Rating: Default
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How can you say auction house is better than retainer system? Thats preposterous!

I mean, this system is a magical and evolutionary way of social system in MMORPG, a breakthrough in human bartering system!

I mean seriously, I can haggle with retainers (although, they mostly ignore me...... okay I admit it, they all ignore me =\ ) and using my manly charm (I'm a Highlander pimp with fabulous hair) to flirt with some of them (although, again, they all ignore me, I dont know why). Like, the other day, I felt down because a cockatrice just denied my kill so I need someone to talk to, I just went to marketward and start talking with retainers about this problem and they just listened through without a single complain! I felt much better after that.

You guys seriously need to get a life rather than bashing retainer system, or actually, get some life from interacting with them just like what I did!
#121 Oct 15 2010 at 12:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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You know what? I could do without an auction house system if I didn't have to see this error every F#$%ing minute:

You are too far away.
You were unable to make the purchase.

Rage.

That's the only emotion that I can think to describe it. I usually sit in one place, and scan the crowd, and it's a perfect system, so long as I don't move, because if I move the cursor moves and I have to reevaluate the crowd.

Why in the name of Gods would they be so nitpicky as to do that? Why are they trying to make a fantasy game more realistic by making it so you have to be right friggin' by the seller to get the stuff? Why must they cause my psyche such pain?
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#122 Oct 15 2010 at 12:44 AM Rating: Decent
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http://www.ffxivpro.com/

http://ffxiv.yg.com/bazaar

Both work excellent for now in place of a better in game system when it comes out.

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#123 Oct 15 2010 at 12:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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^

Ive used yg extensively but i was unaware of FFXIV Pro. Thanks for the link.

Yes the game needs an AH or a way to search and buy from retainers at a centralized location. Anyone who has ever looked for ANYTHING in the market wards knows this. Its a no-brainer.
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I never thought I'd miss it either with its overpriced crap. However now im finding myself relying on Zam alot more for items of any sort...

I'd also like to echo comments made by previous posters in regards to the ad-hoc bartering going on, It's nice, however nobody in my server is talking much either..It's rather creepy and detracts from the community aspect of this game, It will probably get better with age but still, Come on people help each other out and talk it up! This game is what we will make of it.
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#125 Oct 15 2010 at 1:10 AM Rating: Good
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F*ck retainers.
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#126 Oct 15 2010 at 1:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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...nobody in my server is talking much either...
It's the chatlog.

By the time you read what someone else has typed, think of a response then start pondering, 'hmm, how can i fully articulate my thought in 85 characters or less?' its easier to just say f*ckit and get back to grinding dodos/trees/axe handles/chunks of copper/cloth/etc.


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#127 Oct 15 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I have to agree, with the current state of the game an AH is really needed. Maybe if the community became more social it would work but you have to spend to much time searching for items and services currently. To me it ruins the flow of the game. For some of us that aren't super gamers, it is very off putting!
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#128 Oct 15 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I spent over an hour checking EVERY RETAINER in EVERY WARD trying to find the armor I needed the other night. eventually found it, but couldn't help but think that this is something that should have taken me 10 minutes *tops* with an AH.

don't get me wrong, I'm one of the (few?) who actually likes the game, but it is severely lacking in many areas, and this is the worst offender as far as I'm concerned.

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 2:46pm by ladyclarissa
#129 Oct 18 2010 at 6:26 PM Rating: Default
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C'mon. Just do it...
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#130 Oct 18 2010 at 6:52 PM Rating: Good
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How is "how do you play this game?" NOT a valid question. . .we ALL know there's not one **** bit of info in the game booklet. . .the tutorials barely teach you anything. . .how to flounder around at best

this game is like EQ to me. . .i spend 90% of my time reading info on ZAM. . .a website that's not even affiliated with SE! wtf. . .give me a tutorial that teaches me something, or put some info in the booklet that i bought and I WILL actually read it. . .

instead what we got was a step by step guide on HOW TO SET UP YOUR ACCOUNT!
lol, setting up your account is so complicated they had to take up all the room for how to start the game
makes no sense to me


i've also got to add in. . .if you've ever played Dark Age of Camelot. . .
THAT'S what the retainer/search system should be like
DAoC has always had the best player housing/retainer system of any game I've seen
btw. . .who misses Mog Houses? lol

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 8:54pm by leydun
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http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/index.html

On the Left there is a section called "Play Guide" That is how I started.
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#132 Oct 18 2010 at 7:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Took me 3h to find ONE dodo leather for a vest I wanted to make, wasting animas to all three cities to check market wards and I got it by pure luck. Some guy in one of the wards said to HIS FRIEND(!) in /say "I'm pretty sure I got dodo leather on my retainer"...
#133 Oct 22 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
Other than the fact that I can't use any macro placeholders i.e. <p0> .. <p14> <bt> <stpt> cause they don't exist in this FF or don't work inside /action.

I have to say this is the one thing that is making this game very diffucult for me to like, and that's putting it mildly. When I think to myself sweet almost @ rank 16 on lnc let's go send the next 3-5 days hunting for a brass spear and pray that I can get it for the 250k that I have on me something is really wrong.

I have played nearly every FF except the ones for nintendo systems after 1996. For the most part they are all wonderful and I certainly pt alot of time and energy into FFXI. I had hopes for this, by the end of open beta my sole thought was please god let them put in an AH ....

It remains please god let them put in an AH ...
#134 Nov 16 2010 at 12:40 AM Rating: Excellent
I was in the Ul'Dah battle ward wanting to set my retainer and needing to buy some gear. First the bloody ward was full to capacity and I couldn't call my retainer, I was unable to sell my weapons in the CORRECT ward (sorry for you who were unfairly taxed ;), second there were so many retainers massed together I couldn't read who was who and only the few surrounding me spawned. Each step spawned new retainers while those out of range blinked out of existence, with all the names jumbled together I couldn't even find the one I was looking for, I did this for 2 hours and no I never found what I wanted. I can't think of a more time consuming waste of my gaming hours than this sorry excuse for an AH. Open the AH in Limsa...we know there's one there.
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#135 Nov 16 2010 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well all I gotta say is I will not subscribe and pay for this game after the free trial period runs out unless there is at least an Auction house. I have never played an MMO without one and I can see why.

One of my favorite aspects of these games is hunting for items / gathering, the crafting then selling whatever i dont use. Currently this is impossible as it takes nearly an hour to 2 hours to find even the smallest component for a simplest craft. It makes it almost not worth it and extremely frustrating.

The biggest issue, I think, is that the 20 something categories of the wards arent being adhered to by the vendors. I spent an hour yesterday going through the battlecraft and carpenter wards in hopes of finding a bow, but even weapons were scarce in the former. The only way people will sell items in their proper categories is if no other items are allowed, but that will create another problem - most people have more than one category of items to sell at a time. It's terrible, inefficient, inconvenient and makes the rest of the game (ie crafting) that much more frustrating. It would be a small consolation to at least implement a custom display window on top of every vendor where players could at leats type what they are selling. (Much like the personal store in AION).

While we are on the topic, I would also say that the interface needs to be trimmed at least by half. Currently, even the simplest action requires you to go through 3 selection menus on avg. So essentially we spend more time navigating the interface than playing the game.

Love the concept of the game overall, but the implementation needs serious work and I wont be paying my fees for such an unfinished product.
#136 Nov 16 2010 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
An easy solution for that would be the idea of having npc's that sell the armor or items who's inventory depends on crafters selling to them. This would leave the positve aspects of the current system intact, without the abuses that happen with an AH

As it stands now its **** near impossible to get gear or mats.
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An easy solution for that would be the idea of having npc's that sell the armor or items who's inventory depends on crafters selling to them. This would leave the positve aspects of the current system intact, without the abuses that happen with an AH

As it stands now its **** near impossible to get gear or mats.


Sounds like you've played Ryzom before. :D
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to be honest I hate AH's. Coming from playing WoW Aion and ffxi.
I spent weeks looking for items in ffxi (with an AH) as its always sold out or never sold. Or the price is too high. WoW same thing, players only sell the high end stuff and no one sells the cheep gear so again I gotta wait weeks to get gear i can afford. Aion... don't get me started.
So having or needing an AH for speed is a poor reason as AH are not perfect. Sure there are TIMES where an AH helps, but its not allways. Take example of ffxi. Jeuno ah sells barwater for 1000 gil right next to AH is a shop that sells barwaters for 300 gil. People buy it more from the AH then the shop. (prices are random but the ratio is true)
You guys can and should have easily organized the wards. And start the thrend. And don't say that never happens. Perfect example is when ffxi npc were out and there was a straight line in the outpost for the dragon fight. No one cut or made a fuss.
Also As for AH being an mmo standered. I seen more mmo w/o AH then with 1.
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#139 Nov 17 2010 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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WHY IS THIS THREAD BEING BUMPED?! STOP BUMPING IT (It was at top at the time of this post)



This is a dead horse that needs to be beaten tirelessly until SE finally takes notice and gives us the **** AH most of us want.

I encourage everyone to give feedback about this matter via their official site where there's a feedback possibility for EU and US players.

I for one will be writing to them each week about the same **** thing and starting threads about it on the feedback forums until we see an AH.

Everything they are doing to the retainer system right now is just tiny baby steps to make it more like an AH. It's nothing unique, just a watered down less handy AH. Nothing more.

For the record I haven't used the retainer system in THREE WEEKS because just the thought of going there feels like office-work.

Do NOT give up hope people =D

Edited, Nov 17th 2010 3:10pm by seiferdincht
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I just love the people sub r20 who feel they can comment intelligently on the retainer/repair systems....

Just wait until you need to find a component from another crafter that requires r30+...

or

the repair NPC tells you that your shiny new shirt will cost 100k to repair, and you can't find any crafter high enough to repair it or even the item you need to have someone do so...

then and only then do you truly have a right to comment on these subjects.
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seiferdincht wrote:
shykin wrote:
WHY IS THIS THREAD BEING BUMPED?! STOP BUMPING IT (It was at top at the time of this post)



This is a dead horse that needs to be beaten tirelessly until SE finally takes notice and gives us the **** AH most of us want.


I agree with this. I haven't played any MMO's for a few years now and the retainer system just didn't work for me.

I've now started playing EVE Online and the market system is awesome; such a relief to have something useable rather than the god aweful system FFXIV has been released with.

seiferdincht wrote:
Everything they are doing do the retainer system right now is just tiny baby steps to make it more like an AH. It's nothing unique just a watered down less handy AH. Nothing more.


I also agree with this. I'm sure it would be easier to implement and AH and be done with it. Perhaps then they could focus more on the content.
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#142 Nov 17 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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An easy solution for that would be the idea of having npc's that sell the armor or items who's inventory depends on crafters selling to them. This would leave the positve aspects of the current system intact, without the abuses that happen with an AH

As it stands now its **** near impossible to get gear or mats.


Sounds like you've played Ryzom before. :D


Guild wars does the same thing with its crafting materials aswell.
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timmiwindurstson wrote:
An easy solution for that would be the idea of having npc's that sell the armor or items who's inventory depends on crafters selling to them. This would leave the positve aspects of the current system intact, without the abuses that happen with an AH

As it stands now its **** near impossible to get gear or mats.


Isn't this what retainers are? NPCs who sell armor and items based upon what the crafters give them?
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timmiwindurstson wrote:
An easy solution for that would be the idea of having npc's that sell the armor or items who's inventory depends on crafters selling to them. This would leave the positve aspects of the current system intact, without the abuses that happen with an AH

As it stands now its **** near impossible to get gear or mats.


Isn't this what retainers are? NPCs who sell armor and items based upon what the crafters give them?


Nope. its more like a localized version of it. You would go to a blacksmith NPC, who is basically holding all of the blacksmith items that players wanted to sell. You'd bid or buy them out there. The idea is that hes a centralized guy, but still has to be supplied by players.
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#145 Nov 17 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
KujaKoF wrote:
Gadhelyn wrote:
timmiwindurstson wrote:
An easy solution for that would be the idea of having npc's that sell the armor or items who's inventory depends on crafters selling to them. This would leave the positve aspects of the current system intact, without the abuses that happen with an AH

As it stands now its **** near impossible to get gear or mats.


Isn't this what retainers are? NPCs who sell armor and items based upon what the crafters give them?


Nope. its more like a localized version of it. You would go to a blacksmith NPC, who is basically holding all of the blacksmith items that players wanted to sell. You'd bid or buy them out there. The idea is that hes a centralized guy, but still has to be supplied by players.


^ I like this idea. Sorry to prop up the zombie horse Smiley: frown
#146 Nov 17 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Ezariel wrote:
I just love the people sub r20 who feel they can comment intelligently on the retainer/repair systems....

Just wait until you need to find a component from another crafter that requires r30+...

or

the repair NPC tells you that your shiny new shirt will cost 100k to repair, and you can't find any crafter high enough to repair it or even the item you need to have someone do so...

then and only then do you truly have a right to comment on these subjects.


I just love the people who feel they can comment intelligently on other people's supposed 'inadequacies' sub rank 20, when they can't even use correct grammar.

Honestly, what were you trying to achieve by posting this? Perhaps it was a clever way of letting everyone know that you have achieved the lofty status of rank 30.

Crawl back under your rock you ignorant little person.


Edited, Nov 17th 2010 12:52pm by Mince
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#147 Nov 17 2010 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
I hated the AH! I thought it was a breeding ground for RMT. I don't want an AH!

Having said that, I don't like the retainer system either. I want everyone to be required to make their own gear. I don't want to allow gear trading. We should have to make our own gear and/or kill for it. There shouldn't me a way to trade money/gear/etc. I don't care if they have a way for us to buy gear IF they keep people from being able to trade.
#148 Nov 17 2010 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry to bump the dead horse but wasn't there an idea at one point where you'd have an AH but it is only for finished products with say a tax to put it up for sale (yay gil sink) and the market wards only sell craftable items? Or have the market wards stay the same. So it helps those who want to search for the best deal and those who don't have the time but have the money to buy what they want.
#149 Nov 17 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hated the AH! I thought it was a breeding ground for RMT. I don't want an AH!
MMOs are a breeding ground for RMT. Doesn't matter if the game has an AH, or player-run shops. If you can do it in the game, so can RMT. RMT profit from others' laziness. FFXIV is more susceptible to RMT since browsing the wards is annoying, and takes a lot of time and effort. Lazy players will circumvent the wards by resorting to RMT.
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#150 Nov 17 2010 at 12:35 PM Rating: Default
the WoW AH is the only thing i liked in that game, thugh i really dont miss the AH, whatever item i want just search the YG site in 5 minutes i know where the stuff is. But the lazy players probably don't even know about this, they just want everything ready, probably most are gilbuyers also since they dont like to commit any time to do "the boring things" like farming, leveling or crafting.
#151Ezariel, Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 12:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Not bragging, just stating facts. Playing the grammar **** when there are no glaring grammatical mistakes... Then pure flamebait with no intelligent or logical argument against my comment. What are you? 12?
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