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#52 Sep 25 2010 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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Going back to this, this isn't fair either. Those "wow that looks badass" zones you speak of in WoW, were those in the first 2-3 zones you visited? If you haven't been far, then what exactly were you expecting from a newbie area?


i like you pikko, and i agree that the graphics in FFXIV are amazing and 10x better than wow, but the visual aesthetic of WoWs starting zones (imo) are themselves bad *** to look at vs FFXIV being alot more muted in their color pallets.
i just dont think alot of wow fanboys see or realize the lack of polygons or the (imo) noticeable low res textures WoW uses. body pieces, boots, leg pieces and arm pieces are all the same flat model just reskinned (in wow i mean)
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#53 Sep 25 2010 at 1:28 AM Rating: Good
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Only problem I am having is the lack of sleep, resulting from the fact I cant stop playing it. To each his own ;D
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I can't call myself a 'serious' fan because I haven't played all of the FF series. But my experiences in the past has been that they may have taken a wrong direction on the games. Maybe not wrong, just not widely accepted, FF13 for example, too linear etc. But from my experiences, past games didn't seem to have the bugs or problems which everyone is loathing at the moment on FFXIV.. Maybe there were in FFXI during launch, which I didn't get a chance to play until after 1 year+....

Should they have tied up all those loose ends before release ? - Yes
Unplayable ? - Absolutely not! People reaching level 15+++ in mere 3 days of release, they seem to be playing fine...

Like OP for example, first impression is that everything failed, you're quick to jump to quitting the game... but what is it that have drawn you back to give it a second chance ? I think somehow, somewhere, you believe that you're GOING to enjoy the ride no ? So yeah, anti-fanboys will be agitated about this, but problems WILL BE fixed.

I don't know but I trust a large number of similar out-of-frustration-quit threads created in this sense... but I am really curious those who call it quits will remain quitting, so I'm going to stick around to find out ^^
#55 Sep 25 2010 at 2:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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All in all I really can't believe how stupid Square have been with 14, I could understand the horror of FF13 cause that just needed to sell copies to be a success and pretty graphics do that, that's not the case for an MMO though. I know many say MMO players are more savey and will wait for it to get good(to a point) but this game is aimed at non MMO players, mission failed at getting their intended playerbase with a game like this lol

In 11 they could get away with being sloppy at the start cause well...there was very little else around or looming for people to jump ship to, WoW didn't even exist yet. These days releasing a game with so much potential that people want to love in such a horrible state is unforgivable. There are many games around right now that people can go back to that are more rewarding and fun, there are games and expansions coming out soon that are set to give the strongest games a run for their money, let alone a whimpering bug ridden game with a largely unhappy playerbase.

The only saving grace this game has is the ps3 release, if that goes well which is might cause there isnt much compeition in that market then it can pull back and do ok but right now and if this was just a PC game I'm ashamed to even say I paid money for this travesty. It really is pretty terrible, you have to struggle really hard to look past the horros to love this. FF14 is like a really pretty dog with horrible gas, bad toilet habits and is really nasty to everyone...but at least it looks nice.
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FF14 isnt better than 11 was. It is not a step forward but its also not a step back because the whole game is different. Its very easy to level and gear comes to u and gil is abundant... what DONT we need?
#57 Sep 25 2010 at 3:04 AM Rating: Good
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Imaboomer wrote:
FF14 isnt better than 11 was. It is not a step forward but its also not a step back because the whole game is different. Its very easy to level and gear comes to u and gil is abundant... what DONT we need?


It's a step forward. It's a new game.

I'm as frustrated with the quality of what I've seen in the beta and read so far as anyone (waiting for the SE, decided against the CE because I'm trying to save money).

But it's a work in progress.

Remember the problems XI had? NQ elemental staves going for millions? Kraken clubs having no monetary value because gil was that abundant? RMT *everywhere*? Exploits left right and centre? Walking an hour to get to camps?

I could go on for a long time. All of that is now fixed.

Yes, from what I hear, things that should have been in the beta are still missing. But it's not even officially out yet. This is just a pre-release thing for people who want to, for some reason, pay to play a game for 8 days which isn't even released (this is why I cancelled, it didn't make sense to me when I thought about it).

I'm quietly optimistic. SE have shown that they can and will fix things. I just hope they can do it rather quickly.

p.s. no mailing system? Seriously? That makes no sense at all.
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#58 Sep 25 2010 at 3:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just to comment on the graphics argument. I'm one of the crazy people that think WoW is nicer to look at then FFXIV too.

I think it's a choice of style. FFXIV is a freaking gorgeous game, and my system easily can max out both games @ 2650x1440. I just feel the style and the environment created (especially in WotLK and Cataclysm) in WoW is prettier. If this was 2 years ago I'd say FFXIV would win hands-down though. The artistic style and graphical enhancements in WotLK and Cataclysm have really made WoW stand out I feel. Ultimately it's just like two paintings, personal preference.

I do also get what people are saying about it being "smoother" though. I've never been able to accurately explain that one, and I play these games for a living =). It's not a FFXIV thing, it's just that WoW feels "smoother" then basically any other MMO out there. The worst game out there I can describe that is the opposite of this is LotRO. It's not lag, framerate, etc... it's just the feel of the game.
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#59 Sep 25 2010 at 3:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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The OP make ALOT of valid points. I fear that this game is going to be a big FLOP if they don't fix alot of issues immediately, otherwise -------


You do of course realize that things like this have been said for every MMO launch, ever. Especially the "otherwise so-and-so" part.

No MMO ever launches with full content, features and/or bug free. It's like, MMO laws of physics or something. Yeah, as has already been pointed out, there are plenty of things we players (myself included) want that aren't in the game.

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Mail system
etc etc etc.

But to think that SE just has no plans to add these sort of things is almost unreasonable (let's look back at SE's history of being tight-lipped while we're on the subject). To say that you've already given up on XIV because of the lack of these things is your prerogative, of course. But anyone saying something like that really needs to consider that they put themselves in an MMO launch. You just can't reasonably expect everything to be there. Maybe I've just been around for too many MMO launches and am jaded by them now. I prefer to think of it as I've learned to be a bit more patient because of them.

Personally, I think that the powers that be came down on the XIV dev team to push out the game earlier than they had planned for whatever reason floats your boat. I imagine their dev team has been working round the clock, and now that the game is out are taking a bit of a breather. Give it time, people. This is par for the course.

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#60 Sep 25 2010 at 3:27 AM Rating: Decent
I'm quite happy with the graphics. And I'm quite certain that the best is yet to come. Even the now dead-horse copy-pasta hasn't been bothering me. I avoid The Black Shroud because I've got this beastly rig sitting next to me and it likes to render the landscapes of Thanalan and La Nosca much more than the corridors of the "forest", but that's a personal preference.

Mob detail is pretty good, too. I almost feel bad for the little puk hatchlings as I'm getting ready to kill them. They look so cute and happy...

I chose the server I did because it was low population and the lag is actually not an issue except at certain times in the cities. As far as bombing around out in the field, it's rarely (if ever) an issue. I expect at least some of that to change next week when our SE friends start showing up in droves, but I'mdoing my best to situate myself so that I can bypass the crowds if the cities are really bad. And of course, lag at release is fully expected and something that every MMO developer winds u having to address at some point or another.

People are whining too much. I'm one of SE's biggest critics but I approached the game with an open mind and while there are still certain things I would very much like SE to address, the core of the game is just fine by me.
#62 Sep 25 2010 at 4:45 AM Rating: Good
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Teneleven wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Teneleven wrote:
There isn't much difference between the "FF-- is dying!" and the "FF-- is gonna flop" threads, is there?


There actually is. One is right and the other is wrong.


Opinion =/= fact. Flop is a harsh word. I don't see it happening. What i see happening, is a bunch of people jumping ship, leaving behind a smaller, dedicated group of players keeping it alive. Then, as if it were magic, all those that jumped ship will return in a year.
Then, the threads will all look like this:
Returning player help?
Hi, i just came back!
So, what's new with FF XIV?
Did they change so and so?


Yeah... we have all seen this before.




Problem is without at least two million subscribers there is no way they are going to be able to maintain a 3 month update cycle with fully mocapped and voice acted cutscenes. If they end up with 500k subscribers they will have to scale back the production values in their cutscenes to remain profitable.
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#63 Sep 25 2010 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
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Moohaha wrote:
I guess I'll go back to WoW.


Moohaha wrote:
I didn't say I was going back to WoW.


What?
#64 Sep 25 2010 at 4:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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This game isn't going to hold millions of players long-term. This development team has displayed their tendency to do things their way during their run in FFXI: overly-complicated, difficult to use. Regardless of the feedback the community gives them, they tend to just proceed with their own plans.

As I've said before, they're going to get FFXI subscriber numbers, at most. This is a niche MMO: they obviously hadn't researched the MMO market before they went ahead with the planning + design of FFXIV.

#65 Sep 25 2010 at 5:00 AM Rating: Good
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Remidi wrote:

So far I have yet to see a zone that made me go "Wow that looks badass" in this game. WoW has.

Granted I have not been far lol.


SOMEONE hasn't been to Mor Dhona.

GIANT BAHAMUT CORPSE ON A GIANT FALLEN AIRSHIP! With Final Fantasy V music! And ogres! And purple fog!

I haven't played the game at release yet because I didn't want the Collector's Edition, but Mor Dhona alone showed how much potential FFXIV has and really reminded me how it's being made by the Chains of Promathia team.
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#66Dik, Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 5:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wonder if the OP is a Blizzard representative doing some dirty work pre-Cataclysm >.>?
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Dik wrote:
Wonder if the OP is a Blizzard representative doing some dirty work pre-Cataclysm >.>?

I'll say, there are definitely things that need rethinking (my greatest biff is the number of clicks/menus I have to do in order to craft a guild leve recipe or to equip my gear without macros).

But overall, this is a game you can feel will grow and get better with time. Heck, the recipes in-game only go up to iron so far...and we all know in MMORPGs you will end up with your adamantine/orichalum armour and weapons, so don't be too quick to ditch it.


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#68 Sep 25 2010 at 5:10 AM Rating: Decent
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You know I never got to play FFXI. I was in the Military at the time of release and didn't get a chance to pick it up.

That being said I've played ALOT of MMOs at launch. DFO, MO, WoW, EQ, EQ2, DAoC, WAR... many more.

This launch isn't at all bad. There is lag because everyone is packed into the lowbie area's but that is to be expected. If SE can muddle their way through the 30th I think they will be in a good position. The FF series has never been for everyone, and to be honest I think any money they get out of the West is just a bonus. The target market doesn't seem to be us.

I like the game. It's pretty, the classes are fun, crafting/harvesting is fun and I like the races.
#69 Sep 25 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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The lag is so bad that it takes 10 seconds to cast heal which makes it impossible to level up a caster.

i spam dart as fast as i can and i hope i dont die.

this is unplayable

ps my pc is very high end!
#70 Sep 25 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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The lag is so bad that it takes 10 seconds to cast heal which makes it impossible to level up a caster.

i spam dart as fast as i can and i hope i dont die.

this is unplayable

ps my pc is very high end!


I personally don't have this experience and had a very enjoyable time leveling my THM with some friends yesterday. Perhaps the lag has something to do on your end because I can heal just fine, and I'm not on a very amazing pc. (and I'm on a very, very crowded server)

What would be fabulous is if everyone would just...breathe. I think this community needs to relax and take the launch of FFXIV at face value: a new game to enjoy, explore and learn with some friends. Not everything is perfect or makes sense right now, but that is not to say that it isn't being worked out. I understand that people are annoyed that the game is not completely perfect packaged with everything it's going to have and ready to go in a shiny package of happiness. Truth is, why should it be? What's wrong with some trial and error or even just an attempt at something new. If things turn out to be really horrible I'm sure changes will be made.

Yesterday I got my THM to rank 10, finished some missions, harvested moko grass which I turned into a nice new Cowl for myself and visited new areas of the world. I'm having a blast and trying to focus on the things that are great, not the things that aren't yet there.

edit: these pre-coffee posts always get me :(

Edited, Sep 25th 2010 7:30am by olaurelindorenan

edit2 - i find it slightly backwards that everyone who has something positive to say is being rated down. Smelly trolls, go find some other forum to be negative in!

Edited, Sep 25th 2010 7:40am by olaurelindorenan
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Teneleven wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Teneleven wrote:
There isn't much difference between the "FF-- is dying!" and the "FF-- is gonna flop" threads, is there?


There actually is. One is right and the other is wrong.


Opinion =/= fact. Flop is a harsh word. I don't see it happening. What i see happening, is a bunch of people jumping ship, leaving behind a smaller, dedicated group of players keeping it alive. Then, as if it were magic, all those that jumped ship will return in a year.
Then, the threads will all look like this:
Returning player help?
Hi, i just came back!
So, what's new with FF XIV?
Did they change so and so?


Yeah... we have all seen this before.


This.

While there are flaws in the game, and yes they can be really irritating (I'm speaking about you Mr. Targeting System) however, these things will get addressed. Think of this game as a "diamond in the rough", and if you like what's inside deep down, SE will polish the game over time. Look back at FFXI, my oh my how did that game change over the years, and I expect this will do the same.

There's plenty of things I can do in the meantime that I'm having fun with. Most of the lag comes when I am grouping up, so for now, I'm enjoying soloing differnt jobs & crafts to 10 and I expect in the next week or so they will start addressing some of these items.

I'm not posting this to convince any of you to stay, the game will do just find without you, but if you like what it could be (meaning, without those issues) I would say stick around and wait for SE to address them as they will.
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#72rubina, Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 9:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think the OP misses his blankie and his Playskool FischerPrice mmorpg. Enjoy your primary color toon game.
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I think the OP misses his blankie and his Playskool FischerPrice mmorpg. Enjoy your primary color toon game.


sounds better than being stuck in the dark ages of gaming.
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#74 Sep 25 2010 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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So...it finally happens, me's going to rant, for once. *shrugs*

Since right now grinding is a little boring (and leves got no soul), I decided to continue collecting / crafting, to at least make some progress until some things I really hate get fixed (no AH, no party members on map, everything has to be done standing right next to the other person, a pile of menus and confirmations making me wonder who came up with that nonsense, blah blah blah).

So, been mining like crazy to go for goldsmithing. What's the result of the day? One silly copper ring. Wow. Now I'm out of shards and crystals and just don't feel like going out for hours once again. I'm most likely missing something, just right now I feel so unrewarded for the last two days...it just makes me angry and sad. And of course nobody in-game speaks after asking what I'm missing, so ugh! Feeling rather unmotivated at this point.

Me sure isn't going to browse through all the retainers another time. Did it once, no thanks. How SE wants to build a working economy pre-AH this way is beyond me, sorry. So I'm forced to craft my own things...if only it wouldn't fail 99% of the time, leaving me with like 30 EXP per attempt. And yep, me knows what all the different options while crafting do.

So yea....right now me's wondering if I should give this game some time to mature, or force myself to play it the way it is right now. It's not that I hate the game, not at all. But right now it feels frustrating and unrewarding, and (typically) tedious, but I was expecting that. If at least some vital parts wouldn't be missing (thanks for pushing the release, SE) I wouldn't even write all this. It's just been piling up over the few days it's been out, so sorry about my silly rant. Me's not going to run from the game, just not sure if it's worth investing too much time at this moment.

Really hope things will get better soon. I don't want this game to 'fail', 'flop', whatever ya be callin' it. But a good couple of things really need some fixing / implementation / explaination, otherwise people will just run away in frustration (with good reason, ya don't need to be a 'fanboi' of any other game to see that.

*keeps fingers crossed*
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#75 Sep 25 2010 at 10:01 AM Rating: Default
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So...it finally happens, me's going to rant, for once. *shrugs*

Since right now grinding is a little boring (and leves got no soul), I decided to continue collecting / crafting, to at least make some progress until some things I really hate get fixed (no AH, no party members on map, everything has to be done standing right next to the other person, a pile of menus and confirmations making me wonder who came up with that nonsense, blah blah blah).

So, been mining like crazy to go for goldsmithing. What's the result of the day? One silly copper ring. Wow. Now I'm out of shards and crystals and just don't feel like going out for hours once again. I'm most likely missing something, just right now I feel so unrewarded for the last two days...it just makes me angry and sad. And of course nobody in-game speaks after asking what I'm missing, so ugh! Feeling rather unmotivated at this point.

Me sure isn't going to browse through all the retainers another time. Did it once, no thanks. How SE wants to build a working economy pre-AH this way is beyond me, sorry. So I'm forced to craft my own things...if only it wouldn't fail 99% of the time, leaving me with like 30 EXP per attempt. And yep, me knows what all the different options while crafting do.

So yea....right now me's wondering if I should give this game some time to mature, or force myself to play it the way it is right now. It's not that I hate the game, not at all. But right now it feels frustrating and unrewarding, and (typically) tedious, but I was expecting that. If at least some vital parts wouldn't be missing (thanks for pushing the release, SE) I wouldn't even write all this. It's just been piling up over the few days it's been out, so sorry about my silly rant. Me's not going to run from the game, just not sure if it's worth investing too much time at this moment.

Really hope things will get better soon. I don't want this game to 'fail', 'flop', whatever ya be callin' it. But a good couple of things really need some fixing / implementation / explaination, otherwise people will just run away in frustration (with good reason, ya don't need to be a 'fanboi' of any other game to see that.

*keeps fingers crossed*


Maybe I'm just crazy, but I look forward to playing a game through its growing pains. You watch the game progress, and in the end, everyone that comes to play the game later after they rage quit will just be the ones behind the curve spamming the forums "So what has changed....."I'm coming back to FFXIV," "Did FFXIV change this, this, and this yet"

I can't wait to play the game come the 12th(waiting on my new computer.)
#76 Sep 25 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Hehe, definitely not going to rage quit though. I loved FFXI for what it was...it also was my first big MMO (after RO and some random crap), and it sure will be the same for this one. Just not yet. I still think it would have been better to give the game some more months for adding / fixing stuff. Releasing it now or later because of Cataclysm doesn't, for me, make a huge difference. Presenting a fluid game sure is better for the sub numbers and general happiness of your possible customers. Cataclysm will come either way. Then again, me's no marketing pro. Just trying to use common sense.
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#77 Sep 25 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I hate WoW, I think it's the best marketed PoS on the market as far as MMO's go. I played XI from NA release until this month; played other MMO's...waiting for FFXIV to come out. I have defended this game in posts and I really do think it's going to be great once stuff gets fixed, there are a lot of good things and I think SE has a good track record with XI.

But I just heaved a coffee cup across the room. I am going to keep paying them, and keep logging in to stare at a screen while doing nothing, waiting for stuff to get better. The best thing going for SE right now is that once we have all unwrapped our games we can't get our money back for them; because if I could I would be throwing this across the EB Games counter.

I'm so conflicted >< I want to love it so much but really it is a steaming pile of crap :( I think there are many many more people out there like me who love/hate this game right now.

Back to staring at this Aetheryte crystal and refreshing forums :(
#78 Sep 25 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Default
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My belief this isn't even release yet. I suspect there will be another patch before the 30th to fix/add some of the minor pesky things. Maybe a search function for bazaar and chat functions that everyone seems to want, but really I think the game is making the right choice in coming out right now... WoW players are to stuck up with being babied through content. THey won't play FFXIV now or later. I'm so glad I quit wow...
#79 Sep 25 2010 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, FFXIV's graphics are much better than WoW. I didn't say I was going back to WoW. I was looking for something new and refreshing, not something difficult and frustrating. Graphics mean very little in the end if the game is cumbersome.


LOL! New and refreshing from a WoW player usually means "So easy a caveman can do it" I'm a WoW player myself, but I find find it awesome to have a game where you actually have to 'learn' how to play it. WoW used to be so much harder than it is now, but the had to 'dumb' it down so new people wouldn't get frustrated and quit. In the meantime, ill take my FFXIV with a side-dish of WoW from time to time.
#80 Sep 25 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Default
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LOL! New and refreshing from a WoW player usually means "So easy a caveman can do it" I'm a WoW player myself, but I find find it awesome to have a game where you actually have to 'learn' how to play it. WoW used to be so much harder than it is now, but the had to 'dumb' it down so new people wouldn't get frustrated and quit. In the meantime, ill take my FFXIV with a side-dish of WoW from time to time.


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#81 Sep 25 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Sometimes I sit amazed at the things that are incredibly popular: American Idol, The Twilight Series, Justin Timberlake, Big Brother, World of Warcraft. Its at these times I'm thankful that not everyone finds FFXIV (and FFXI for that matter) to be the game for them.
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Vawn43 wrote:
Sometimes I sit amazed at the things that are incredibly popular: American Idol, The Twilight Series, Justin Timberlake, Big Brother, World of Warcraft. Its at these times I'm thankful that not everyone finds FFXIV (and FFXI for that matter) to be the game for them.


This thread is getting progressively better. I'm definitely okay with not having the mass crowd of people playing FFXIV that play WoW. I'd be very happy with a much smaller dedicated gamers playing a game than 11 million gamers that whine until they get their way, ultimately destroying the what made the game good.
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You're on your own about your opinion, however the errors don't show up in Japanese when you set English as the main language the first time you open up FFXIVConfig
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Vawn43 wrote:
Sometimes I sit amazed at the things that are incredibly popular: American Idol, The Twilight Series, Justin Timberlake, Big Brother, World of Warcraft. Its at these times I'm thankful that not everyone finds FFXIV (and FFXI for that matter) to be the game for them.


the thing that amazes me is the demographics that WoW reached... I have college guys who come into our internet cafe and raid, and then their grandmothers who come in and have their pcs repaired/upgraded because they can't log into WoW.

The reasons behind WoW becoming such a phenomenon is marketing, accessibility, and portability. Marketing is self explanatory, given Blizzards reputation and clout -- they pushed forth and used the "most popular online game" gimmick to it's fullest potential. I'm in awe of their marketing department. Accessibility -- you don't need a top of the line PC to play this which is good and bad. I like pretty pretty graphics and that's one of the main aspects of WoW I don't like, "too cartoony" almost. Portability - WoW has a huge breadth of gaming options available. They learned quickly how to cater to PvP junkies, Grindaholics, Questaholics, the Casuals, and Raiders. They showed the world how easy it was to build a game that could entice and captivate many different types of gamers at once.

SE has shown the same ability to pull off the impossible. I thought it would be impossible to bring along every bad idea that FFXI encompassed into FFXIV and make it worse. Seriously, I'm in awe of how badly they ****** this game up.

Luckily, I don't play WoW or FFXIV. I'll wait until a real innovator challenges the WoW breed.
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#85 Sep 25 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Default
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I hate WoW, I think it's the best marketed PoS on the market as far as MMO's go. I played XI from NA release until this month; played other MMO's...waiting for FFXIV to come out. I have defended this game in posts and I really do think it's going to be great once stuff gets fixed, there are a lot of good things and I think SE has a good track record with XI.

But I just heaved a coffee cup across the room. I am going to keep paying them, and keep logging in to stare at a screen while doing nothing, waiting for stuff to get better. The best thing going for SE right now is that once we have all unwrapped our games we can't get our money back for them; because if I could I would be throwing this across the EB Games counter.

I'm so conflicted >< I want to love it so much but really it is a steaming pile of crap :( I think there are many many more people out there like me who love/hate this game right now.

Back to staring at this Aetheryte crystal and refreshing forums :(



Haha oh wow, can totally relate to this one. Sure, been playing lots, but also been staring lots, thinking....just no! Hopefully it will be more playing and less staring in the near future though! \^_^/

At least my rage is gone by now, heh. Guess I'll run around some more tonight, stacking back up on resources (before I feel the rage coming right back at me). And I really need to keep my eyes wide open...had some fire crystals for making copper nuggets, but can't for the life of me remember where I got them from (had only 10). And me needs wind shards, too. o.o;


EDIT: And just logged off again. Why is it that everyone ignores everyone? Are ya people so busy swinging yer silly saws? Really, me's disappointed now. If I was somebody who spoke leetspeek or whatever, okay. But can't ya at least say something when somebody asks for help regarding local leves? Guess I'll ignore ya just the same in the future and stick to myself, good to know. =/

Edited, Sep 25th 2010 2:04pm by FanciatheDragonkeeper
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#86 Sep 28 2010 at 11:47 PM Rating: Decent
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And 2 second lag is acceptable. Why would I play a game like that? Seriously. What's the point? I'm only going to get frustrated. I don't have the patience to even attempt it.

Also, I cancelled my account. I assumed it would allow me to play out the rest of my time, but it didn't, so I won't be back. Good luck with this game. Any game that starts out as bad as this one can't possibly get any worse.
#87 Sep 29 2010 at 12:05 AM Rating: Default
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Tales of FFXIV's death are greatly exaggurated.

The problem with internet forums is the vocal minority makea disproportionate amount of noise.

The fact is there are 10's of thousands of players loving this game right now - and then a bunch of people who dont like it posting on forums.

I predict that not only will this game not fail - but will meet SE's hopes for it. Sure it will never have the player numbers of WoW - because WoW is an MMORPG for people who dont like MMORPG's and appeals to a very wide audience. But it will do very well - because there are still a lot of people out there that do like MMORPG's.
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#88zoltanrs, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 12:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I love how everyone sayin bye to chicken little here is getting the rate down lol
#89 Sep 29 2010 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
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The lag is so bad that it takes 10 seconds to cast heal which makes it impossible to level up a caster.

i spam dart as fast as i can and i hope i dont die.

this is unplayable

ps my pc is very high end!


My experience is not like this at all. I have probably gained at least 12 of my 16 conjurer levels in groups and had no lag on my cure spells.

My system is high end, running a liquid cooled 4.2Ghz processor with twin GTX480's in SLI. I get almost no UI lag and no caster lag. Are you sure your drivers are up to date?
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#90 Sep 29 2010 at 12:46 AM Rating: Decent
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It also took me an entire day to update at an amazing 32 Kbytes/second.

Something something, port forwarding etc. Google it. Learn it. Use it. My update went from about 10-15kb/sec, up to about 900ish after I took the time to set stuff up right.
#91 Sep 29 2010 at 12:58 AM Rating: Default
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I'm wondering how many of these "High end" systems i keep hearing about running like crap are set up wrong. Multipliers turned down in the bios etc. Have you got something like CPU-Z and confirmed that your comps are actually running at the speed you think they are running? My computer is pretty crap compared to many i see having troubles here and it doesn't have problems.
#92 Sep 29 2010 at 1:05 AM Rating: Decent
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So I have a question. I see people saying all the servers are in Japan. So I guess that's why playing the game and pretty much doing anything through the menu feels like I'm walking through molasses? Are they always going to be there? Personally, that's my biggest problem. I really don't like alot of the ways they chose to design the game, but I respect them trying to be different, and I think I could play the game for a long time. But it just feels like the servers take too long to process my requests. It's just not responsive enough, and that 1 second makes me feel too disconnected from my character.
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#93 Sep 29 2010 at 1:31 AM Rating: Decent
Yes, this game has a large amount of flaws but they are working on them as they go.

I remember all the maintenance in FFXI like it was yesterday.
What made it worse was that I was on dial-up for ps2 for the majority of my time in the game. ;;
I had to leave my ps2 on running to download updates/patches while at school, out and about or sleeping for almost two days at times.
I stuck with it and loved FFXI, I remember first starting and being so lost and hated the game. Not long down the road I hit 75 on my ninja, acquired my full Koga set from Dynamis and went on to do more things. I see this game giving off that same sense of accomplishment, heck I already felt great making my first Haubergeon in FFXIV.

There is so much ore to add that I can't believe anyone would want to miss out on.
Just imagine all of this within due time.

Huge NM fights. (Behemoths, Ogres, Wyrms, Liches, Beastmen Leaders)
New classes and quests to obtain them.
Along with new classes you will have new weapons, new armors, new zones.
With new zones you get, new quests, new monsters, more exploring.
New crafting recipes, that adds more dye colors, etc.
Let's not forget about end game that will eventually add, along with class specific armor (hopefully) and the quests to go along with them.
None of the previous is 100% confirmed, just pure speculation and hope!

I just can not see or understand how/why people are complaining and upset about a game that is still in the early release week.
The official release is in a day and as we have seen they have beefed up on maintenance a bit. There is a lot more to come, I can't recall a Final Fantasy OR Enix game that didn't have an huge amount of normal known quests, never mind the hidden side-quests with their "hidden" activation reasons. I see a lot of patches coming within the next month or two to add more to the game, namely these basic things we all want/need. The game has a lot of growing to do, so please let it do just that.
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#94 Sep 29 2010 at 1:40 AM Rating: Default
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Come on this was 4 days old and a few pages down. Why did someone track this down just to complain some more.


If you enjoy ffxiv, please let this thread die. Or lock it :)
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#95 Sep 29 2010 at 1:56 AM Rating: Good
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Yhe graphics and music are EPIC.

The game play is as easy as FFXI very similar a whole new ui nothing stayed its all new and clunky to the extreeme you can t perform actions while in menu this is frustrating, especially considering your forced into it all the time.

They could ahve at least copied FFXI's autotranslator basics but they didnt only about 10 words are even in it. very hard to comunicate to a japanese player. Not tha tyou need to because ther isnt any group mechanics at all untill 20 supposidly imonly 14 conj which is impossible to leave the very frist starting area and i need to solo there till 16 at a wow like pace 5000000 billion exp per lv uhg... the stats system isnt really implemented if you reroll a diff class you are stuck with your global stat changes so if you pick a conj or thar your stuck being a caster forever because you cant readjust stats for a melee role afterwards..... Very carefull what stats you pick tere is no going back past your last lv changes.

The LFG system is the worst i have ever seen in any MMO Launch .

The loot system is junk it isnt even predictable whichis very bad for crafters there is no guarantee of any crafting materials its all a crap shoot. this game has nothing to do but craft and its very painfull and laggy and ther eis no interface to learn it besides wiki sites and if you dont have dual monitors you have game crashes when you tab out because they cant seem to write their way out of fullscreen to save their lives....

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#96 Sep 29 2010 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Tarutinkler the Irrelevant wrote:
Come on this was 4 days old and a few pages down. Why did someone track this down just to complain some more.


If you enjoy ffxiv, please let this thread die. Or lock it :)



Hahah agreed! its only been 4 days, **** only the CE people have played it. Just wait till this weekend Zam is guna crash with FFXIV
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#97 Sep 29 2010 at 2:20 AM Rating: Default
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Does anybody wants some cheese?... for that whine.

Let's set it up straight. If you really want to play FFXIV, you will move rocks and break walls. If you are just trying for a casual play, you will find that everything is wrong. Why? because the developers didn't ask you how did you want the game to be. Let's get real, it is what it is, and so be it. The game has things that need fixing, and I am sure they will get fixed.

So for the mean time do one of two things. Either stop playing, or stop complaining. I am sure that if you really want to play the game you will find a way to deal with all the issues that are going on right now.

And I am sorry if any one gets offended, I am just being straight forward.
#98 Sep 29 2010 at 2:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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because the developers didn't ask you how did you want the game to be.


I don't know if this is true or false, but do you really think it's ok if this is true? If you go to a restaurant, does the waiter just toss something at you and say that you're gonna eat it, like it, and then pay for it? I don't expect SE to lay down and make an MMO for the masses, but surely they listen to someone in the fanbase.

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 4:28am by johngoforth
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#99 Sep 29 2010 at 2:31 AM Rating: Default
Moohaha wrote:
Hands down, this is the worst MMO I have ever played. The controls and combat system are completely unintuitive. The graphics are so-so and the lag is horrendous. If I want an MMO, I guess I'll go back to WoW. It also took me an entire day to update at an amazing 32 Kbytes/second.

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I wouldn't take it that far as being the worst but being the most challenging in a new way.

My only issue that i agree with is the lag.
It is horrible at times receiving double digit numbers in the lows for the send/receive connection while in ffxi everything with everyone is moving very well with each other.
I don't know if it is the connection lag, local information loading (client side) or a combination of the two but the lag/loading really sucks at time waiting around for things to load up.

Not a complaint but just my opinion so i may improve on it from my side.

The game is new in terms of live play so i keepin it cool and casual.
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#100 Sep 29 2010 at 3:01 AM Rating: Good
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kaorinite wrote:

I'm so conflicted >< I want to love it so much but really it is a steaming pile of crap :( I think there are many many more people out there like me who love/hate this game right now.


I feel like I'm married to the game already... the game being the bitter and ungreatful wife that does everything in her power to make my day as miserable as humanly possible....yet I still want to love her (or it, if you like) >.>


Ps. Hope she doesn't read this :x
#101 Sep 29 2010 at 3:23 AM Rating: Good
preludes wrote:
FF14 is like a really pretty dog with horrible gas, bad toilet habits and is really nasty to everyone...but at least it looks nice.


I'm thinking of making that my new sig, love it. Don't get me wrong, I love FFXIV right now, and despite it's quirks could keep playing. But come around the end of my free trial, all if not most of the major issues (save the AH gripe, better search for retainers and I'll be happy;.) aren't fixed then I cannot say for certain if I'll still be around. Some things are bearable but without a proper means of selling stuff I'd hate to see how many players are still running around at the level cap with outdated gear, broken armor, and no clue how the game mechanics work. I wouldn't go as far to say the game is doomed or anything this soon, but the first few months especially the first month from release day, are the most critical for the success of a game. Too many problems and your playerbase leaves, bringing with them negative reviews which will stop others from investing.

It's a new game that boasts features possibly never seen in any traditional MMO, first impressions last a lifetime and right now SE isn't doing a particularly good job. If they expect sales to soar come the Christmas season they'd better show they mean business.

By the way, I'd love to hold it over a co-worker's head how superior I think FFXIV is to WoW (There's nothing wrong with WoW, so before you rate me down just understand it's my own opinion.) but right now SE is making that very difficult. He always brags how he's reached Lv80 with this "toon", how he's earned his epic gear for that "toon". All I can say is "Yea? Well uh, I... I-I can enter a room full of crowded people. A-and spend my time looking through stuff I don't even want. So, yea... Take that!"
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