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#1 Sep 24 2010 at 5:40 PM Rating: Default
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I just realized that I a getting 5 frames per second. I checked with system requirements lab and said I should run the game ok. Now I find this out.
#2 Sep 24 2010 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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Probably should've run the benchmark before preordering. What are your settings? What's your CPU/GPU? How much RAM do you have?
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#3 Sep 24 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Default
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I have a HP p6510y with Windows 7 64 bit, Amd Anthlon II x 4 630 processor
(2.8 ghz)
4 gigs of DDR 3 ram
Ati Radeon Hd 4200.
#4 Sep 24 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
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There is something wrong with this game, although I hope it can be fix soon before people jump ship. Many people with great systems specs are having tons of issues, rigth now if I ALt Tab i get and error and get boot out of the game.
#5 Sep 24 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Ati Radeon Hd 4200.
There's your problem. It's the bare bones entry level card for an older family of cards. ****, the 5xxx family is on the verge of being replaced with the 6xxx's coming out soon.
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spiniCA wrote:
I have a HP p6510y with Windows 7 64 bit, Amd Anthlon II x 4 630 processor
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4 gigs of DDR 3 ram
Ati Radeon Hd 4200.


The Athlon X4 is -okay- but the GPU is terrible. You need a much, much better GPU.
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spiniCA wrote:
I have a HP p6510y with Windows 7 64 bit, Amd Anthlon II x 4 630 processor
(2.8 ghz)
4 gigs of DDR 3 ram
Ati Radeon Hd 4200.


Upgrade your video card. I use a 4870($100 after rebates) personally, but if you have an extra $200 lying around, upgrade to either a GTX460 or ATI 5830. If you have an extra $200 lying around -after- you get your new video card, get an Athlon IIx6, goes for 200 on newegg.com
#8 Sep 24 2010 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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I'll put it this way: The GeForce FX 5700 Ultra is BETTER than the Radeon HD 4200, and the 5700 Ultra was a midrange card in 2003. The HD 4200 is made for grandmas who just need a computer to access their dial-up internet to check their email.



Edited, Sep 24th 2010 7:05pm by bsphil
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#9 Sep 24 2010 at 6:05 PM Rating: Default
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My PSU is only 250 Watts so I cant really upgrade my GPU or can I?
#10 Sep 24 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
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spiniCA wrote:
My PSU is only 250 Watts so I cant really upgrade my GPU or can I?
That's woefully underpowered as well, if you want to upgrade the GPU you need a much better PSU as well. Somewhere in the 650W range.
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#11 Sep 24 2010 at 6:08 PM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
spiniCA wrote:
My PSU is only 250 Watts so I cant really upgrade my GPU or can I?
That's woefully underpowered as well, if you want to upgrade the GPU you need a much better PSU as well. Somewhere in the 650W range.



a 500W power supply will work with anything but the highest end of cards (gtx 470+, Radeon 5830+)
#12 Sep 24 2010 at 6:20 PM Rating: Default
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See I'm wondering if it's the game or my PC because I meet al system requirements and the game looks awful. I'm not sure if I upgrade my pc the game will get any better. I also have the problem as the guy posted earlier when I alt tab the game shuts down from an error. This sucks because I was looking forward to this game. I played FF11 for years.
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#14 Sep 24 2010 at 6:28 PM Rating: Good
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spiniCA wrote:
See I'm wondering if it's the game or my PC because I meet al system requirements and the game looks awful. I'm not sure if I upgrade my pc the game will get any better. I also have the problem as the guy posted earlier when I alt tab the game shuts down from an error. This sucks because I was looking forward to this game. I played FF11 for years.
I assure you that you don't come close to meeting the system requirements. Again, your video card is edged out by a midlevel card from 2003. It's very, very crappy.

Edited, Sep 24th 2010 7:29pm by bsphil
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#15 Sep 24 2010 at 6:33 PM Rating: Default
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On the back of the box I meet and exceed requirements.
#16 Sep 24 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
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spiniCA wrote:
On the back of the box I meet and exceed requirements.
No, you don't. HD 4200 does not mean better than an HD 2900. The 2900 is more than 3x as powerful as the 4200 based on benchmarks. Learn how GPUs are numbered. The quick version:

First digit = family number
Second digit = series number
3rd(&4th) digit = model number

High end model cards from an older family can very easily outperform low end model cards from newer families.



Edited, Sep 24th 2010 7:42pm by bsphil
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#17 Sep 24 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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spiniCA wrote:
On the back of the box I meet and exceed requirements.


A 4200 is not better than a 2900 (what's on the box). Let me explain why:

Radeon cards are printed in a 4 digit format: XYZ0. X is the generation (2nd gen vs 4th gen), Y is the major revision (200 vs 900) and Y is the minor revision.

the Y (the second number) is the most important one, followed by the third, followed by the first. For example, a 4890 beats the sh*t out of a 5730. A 3800 would beat the **** out of a 4300. And a 2900 (the minimum) is far better than the 4200.

Passmark score (A benchmarking test for CPUs and GPUs among other things) on a 2900 (the minimum) is around a 500. Passmark scores on 4200 series are under 200. In other words, a 2900 is twice as good as your 4200 can ever dream of being.

So no, a 4200 does not meat the minimum requirements, for that reason.

EDIT: bsphil beat me to it, but I was more detailed in my description.

Edited, Sep 24th 2010 8:39pm by Mikhalia
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#18 Sep 24 2010 at 6:45 PM Rating: Default
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Wow thanks, so whats up with system requirements lab, why would they say Im in between minimum and recomended system requirements? Also If I updated my PSU and GPU would that do it, would I play at 60FPS?
#19 Sep 24 2010 at 6:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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spiniCA wrote:
Wow thanks, so whats up with system requirements lab, why would they say Im in between minimum and recomended system requirements? Also If I updated my PSU and GPU would that do it, would I play at 60FPS?


With an Athlon, 60 is doubtful. If you want to turn all the settings up and still get 60 FPS, you're going to need an i7-980 and a Radeon 5970/Ares or a GTX 480. In my personal opinion, it's not cost efficient at this time to shoot for max settings (but don't let me talk you out of it if you got the money).

A 5770 or 460 with your Athlon -should- get you to a nice healthy 30-40 FPS on moderate to high settings on 720p. Obviously a 58XX/470 or a 59XX/Ares/480 would be even better but your processor would be the bottleneck on your performance at that point.

Definitely replace your PSU though when you replace your GPU.
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#20 Sep 24 2010 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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spiniCA wrote:
Wow thanks, so whats up with system requirements lab, why would they say Im in between minimum and recomended system requirements? Also If I updated my PSU and GPU would that do it, would I play at 60FPS?
I don't know. That's what you get for trusting an automated system rather than asking an actual person for advice?
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#21 Sep 24 2010 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Isn't a 4200 onboard? I could have sworn that was the onboard for the 785g chipset, and that should tell you something. Anything onboard is a no-no for this game.

NM looked it up, even worse that desktop uses the 4200m. You are definately going to have to put another gpu in your system if you wanna play.

Edited, Sep 24th 2010 9:03pm by Psyrecx
#22 Sep 24 2010 at 7:01 PM Rating: Default
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Thanks guys. I might not quit if I can get those Fps with upgrade, will see.
#23 Sep 24 2010 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
spiniCA wrote:
Wow thanks, so whats up with system requirements lab, why would they say Im in between minimum and recomended system requirements? Also If I updated my PSU and GPU would that do it, would I play at 60FPS?


With an Athlon, 60 is doubtful. If you want to turn all the settings up and still get 60 FPS, you're going to need an i7-980 and a Radeon 5970/Ares or a GTX 480. In my personal opinion, it's not cost efficient at this time to shoot for max settings (but don't let me talk you out of it if you got the money).

A 5770 or 460 with your Athlon -should- get you to a nice healthy 30-40 FPS on moderate to high settings on 720p. Obviously a 58XX/470 or a 59XX/Ares/480 would be even better but your processor would be the bottleneck on your performance at that point.

Definitely replace your PSU though when you replace your GPU.
If you're going to have an awesome GPU and a crappy CPU you might as well run at the highest resolution possible, since the performance will be nearly the same.
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#24 Sep 24 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
spiniCA wrote:
Wow thanks, so whats up with system requirements lab, why would they say Im in between minimum and recomended system requirements? Also If I updated my PSU and GPU would that do it, would I play at 60FPS?
I don't know. That's what you get for trusting an automated system rather than asking an actual person for advice?


Be nice, man. The guy is already listening to us, no reason to chase him away now. :)
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#25 Sep 24 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
spiniCA wrote:
Wow thanks, so whats up with system requirements lab, why would they say Im in between minimum and recomended system requirements? Also If I updated my PSU and GPU would that do it, would I play at 60FPS?


With an Athlon, 60 is doubtful. If you want to turn all the settings up and still get 60 FPS, you're going to need an i7-980 and a Radeon 5970/Ares or a GTX 480. In my personal opinion, it's not cost efficient at this time to shoot for max settings (but don't let me talk you out of it if you got the money).

A 5770 or 460 with your Athlon -should- get you to a nice healthy 30-40 FPS on moderate to high settings on 720p. Obviously a 58XX/470 or a 59XX/Ares/480 would be even better but your processor would be the bottleneck on your performance at that point.

Definitely replace your PSU though when you replace your GPU.
If you're going to have an awesome GPU and a crappy CPU you might as well run at the highest resolution possible, since the performance will be nearly the same.


I'm not defending Athlons since I know I'm a proponent of "Go Phenom or go home" on the AMD side but at least it's a quad core and not a dual core. It's a low-ish end CPU to be sure, but at least we're not talking about a C2D or an Athlon X2 here.
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#26 Sep 24 2010 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Be nice, man.
I don't follow?

:P

In all honesty, I tend to not bother filtering my responses in the aim of being nice to people. I don't try to be mean either, I just don't really care. Can you tell?

Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm not defending Athlons since I know I'm a proponent of "Go Phenom or go home" on the AMD side but at least it's a quad core and not a dual core. It's a low-ish end CPU to be sure, but at least we're not talking about a C2D or an Athlon X2 here.
Comparatively speaking. It could be worse, definitely, but with a 460 in the PC then the CPU is going to be a huge bottleneck, even though he's going to be much better off than he used to be. It's just a matter of relativity.

Edited, Sep 24th 2010 8:10pm by bsphil
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#27 Sep 24 2010 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Based on what I've read, any of the current cpu's on teh market will bottleneck a higher end GPU... but then again, it's probably always been that way.
#28 Sep 24 2010 at 7:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Be nice, man.
I don't follow?

:P

In all honesty, I tend to not bother filtering my responses in the aim of being nice to people. I don't try to be mean either, I just don't really care. Can you tell?


Oh, I'm well aware. Actually, I was just talking about you in IRC.

(09:06:45 PM) Mikhalia: He has some good points and I'd say I agree with him maybe 60-70% of the time
(09:07:02 PM) Mikhalia: He just coats EVERYTHING with a gallon of vitriol

:)
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#29 Sep 24 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
(09:07:02 PM) Mikhalia: He just coats EVERYTHING with a gallon of vitriol
¯\(º_o)/¯

Not really on purpose.
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#30 Sep 24 2010 at 7:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
(09:07:02 PM) Mikhalia: He just coats EVERYTHING with a gallon of vitriol
¯\(º_o)/¯

Not really on purpose.


Smiley: lol

Hey, you're not the only one that does it. Some people just take **** personally. I'm not one of them, but some people apparently are.
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#31 Sep 24 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
We have that exact model set up at my Best Buy with an ATI 5770.

It works great.

Just buy a graphics card like the ATI 5750 or 5770, or something higher, and you'll be fine.
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There is something wrong with this game, although I hope it can be fix soon before people jump ship. Many people with great systems specs are having tons of issues, rigth now if I ALt Tab i get and error and get boot out of the game.


It's not perfect but it's not that bad either. I play at 1920x1080, 4xAA and everything else on high with pretty much no lag at all. I have a good but not amazing system, i7 920 and 2 GTX 285's. The OP's computer to be quite honest is not good and I'm not surprised he lags in this game. He needs an upgrade or wait and play the PS3 version. FFXIV is not the only game he will lag in while trying to play.
#33 Sep 24 2010 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Yea, I play on highest everything except no AA @ 1680x1050 and I get a solid 40fps. Problem is I seem to get fairly bad server side lag. Have to **** near hit the key 10x for one attack. Makes FEZ look lag free.

Edited, Sep 24th 2010 10:16pm by Psyrecx
#34 Sep 24 2010 at 8:18 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
(09:07:02 PM) Mikhalia: He just coats EVERYTHING with a gallon of vitriol
¯\(º_o)/¯

Not really on purpose.
Smiley: lol

Hey, you're not the only one that does it. Some people just take sh*t personally. I'm not one of them, but some people apparently are.
It probably has to do with the fact that on a forum you don't hear any inflection or tone and can't pick up on body language. Either that or I am just a horrible person. Depends on whether you agree with me or not.
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#35 Sep 24 2010 at 8:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
(09:07:02 PM) Mikhalia: He just coats EVERYTHING with a gallon of vitriol
¯\(º_o)/¯

Not really on purpose.
Smiley: lol

Hey, you're not the only one that does it. Some people just take sh*t personally. I'm not one of them, but some people apparently are.
It probably has to do with the fact that on a forum you don't hear any inflection or tone and can't pick up on body language. Either that or I am just a horrible person. Depends on whether you agree with me or not.


I agree with you and hate that.

I'm not necessarily a proponent of adding smiley faces to everything because I feel like it conveys the notion that I'm a 14 year old girl instead of a 26 year old man, but sometimes I feel obligated to put a :) at the end of things just so that people know I'm joking.

Text does not convey tone at all, and tone/expression are more important to speech than words are. I know that I'm probably too young to make this argument, but the Internet age is ruining society in that respect, because people nowadays communicate much more by text through email, text messaging, social sites, etc than they do via speech, and so you end up with what we have today: A lot of people who are almost entirely socially inept and/or have springloaded feet that like to take the one way express bus to their mouth.
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#36 Sep 24 2010 at 8:33 PM Rating: Default
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maybe you need to update your ATI drivers.
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