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#1 Sep 25 2010 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I am in desperate need of help with crafting. Crafting is what I enjoy doing in MMO's and so far I am having the opposite of fun. I'm so frustrated I'm starting to hate the game.

This is what I'm doing:

White: Standard
Yellow: Rapid
Red: Wait
Multi: Standard
Unstable: Wait

I can get up to rank 10 extreamly easily, very very, VERY few botched synths. However, after Rank 10 I can't make ANYTHING at all. I go to do the levequests and if it's a rank 10 or 15 levequest I can't even get past 50% completion before the synth botches. I blew through all 8 leve's and didn't gain a SINGLE rank.

WTF? Any ideas?

And for the love of god please don't link me to some Beta guide that says to use Rapid's. That worked great in Beta, dosen't work at all in Release. Getting 1-2% completion for 10 durability loss is recipe for massive failure.
#2 Sep 25 2010 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Talk to the camp and use their crafting facilities.. It costs gil, but it helps a TON.
#3 Sep 25 2010 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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I tried that for one, did the highest level that costs 1000 gil, still a fail fest =/
#4 Sep 25 2010 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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are you still using the lvl1 crafting tool?? try upgrading that!
#5 Sep 25 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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Tried doing a rank 1 levequest as a rank 9 weaver.

60% was the max I could get.

What happened?!? I don't see how what I was doing working for 9 ranks of weaver, 6 ranks of alchemy, and 10 ranks of carpentry then the next day absolutly nothing works.
#6 Sep 25 2010 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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demegod wrote:
are you still using the lvl1 crafting tool?? try upgrading that!


I spent an hour searching retainers, found a whole lot of nothing.
#7 Sep 25 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Are you doing bold, rapid, or standard synths? Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. If you just want to finish the synth and not worry about quality, then do rapids until it's done. I'd assume you have, but have you read the guide to the basics under wiki>crafting? That might help a little.

When it comes to strategy, I've noticed I rarely both synths when I "wait" after each failed attempt. When I succeed, I do another one. I've always stuck with rapid, since it doesn't seem to loose as much durability when it fails. I'd rather lose 10-12 on failed rapids then lose 20-30 on failed standard and bold attempts. I, personally, wont be worrying about making HQ products until I'm well over the required rank for the synth.

Hope this helps!

EDIT: Sorry, forgot to mention that the more +craftsmanship you have, then easier it will be. Also, make sure you're using the correct tool. Some tools are better for some synths than others. An example being using the wheel thing to make thread from moko grass as opposed to using the rusty needle.

Edited, Sep 25th 2010 1:40pm by swisa
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#8 Sep 25 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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swisa wrote:
Are you doing bold, rapid, or standard synths? Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. If you just want to finish the synth and not worry about quality, then do rapids until it's done. I'd assume you have, but have you read the guide to the basics under wiki>crafting? That might help a little.

When it comes to strategy, I've noticed I rarely both synths when I "wait" after each failed attempt. When I succeed, I do another one. I've always stuck with rapid, since it doesn't seem to loose as much durability when it fails. I'd rather lose 10-12 on failed rapids then lose 20-30 on failed standard and bold attempts. I, personally, wont be worrying about making HQ products until I'm well over the required rank for the synth.

Hope this helps!

EDIT: Sorry, forgot to mention that the more +craftsmanship you have, then easier it will be. Also, make sure you're using the correct tool. Some tools are better for some synths than others. An example being using the wheel thing to make thread from moko grass as opposed to using the rusty needle.

Edited, Sep 25th 2010 1:40pm by swisa


*points above* I said in an earlier post what I'm using and when.

Rapid hasn't done anything good for me. It's awesome when it works, but failures consistently give me ~0-5% completion with 10-15 durability loss, no where near enough to finish the synth. And if it fails too much ... the sparks start flying and it only goes downhill from there.

As for HQ'ing ... I have no idea. I went back to level 1 synths and consistantly get the quality up to 150+ yet don't HQ. Oddly, once I was only in the 60's for quality and I did HQ making me wonder if quality really has anything to do with HQ'ing or if it's completely random.

I wear all the +craft/mag craft/control/output etc gear that I can.

EDIT: Speak of the devil, I just HQ'd undyed hempen cloth with a quality score of 36 and sparks flying everywhere.

Edited, Sep 25th 2010 4:01pm by djocapn
#9 Sep 25 2010 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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To be perfectly honest... Unless you are to the point where you are doing a specific synth enmasse for profit, doing standard at all will most likely only waste your time.

Standard is horrible unless you are well over the required level for a synth. Everytime I think I can get away with sneaking a standard in, I end up losing 28 durability, and gaining no quality or progress (not EVERY time, but a staggering amount.)

My current practic is rapid unless its solid red, or i have an unstable element, then if it doesnt change after 2-3 waits, rapid some more.

I only break things that are 2-5 levels higher than I am, unless I get very unlucky.
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#10 Sep 25 2010 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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When i needed to upgrade my tool,there were a few bazaar's in actual weaver's guild.Which does seem intelligent to put your bazaar there knowing people there will need that item.
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#11 Sep 25 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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SsXTricKeY, ****** Superhero wrote:
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I spent an hour searching retainers, found a whole lot of nothing.


When i needed to upgrade my tool,there were a few bazaar's in actual weaver's guild.Which does seem intelligent to put your bazaar there knowing people there will need that item.


I've also had some success in the markets in Limsa Lominsa. I don't know if its the same across all cities/servers, but there's a boatload of crafters all congregated by the armor repair NPC presumably for the crafting support he gives. Quite a few people bazaaring people in and around the area.
#12 Sep 25 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Call me crazy but I tend to not rush through crafting. That time bar is there and I think it has some significance that most may be overlooking.

I look at the bar as a diminishing meter that measures percentage not seconds if you follow me.. bear with me a sec and just think about it.

Also you have a starting quality number. If the quality is 10 or more I let the bar tick down to say 75% and I start with standard since it always starts out White.

If it succeeds and its 20% progress then I consider that max for Standard. If it stays solid white I will repeat doing standard again at 75%. If I notice that the synth is doing a low hum I will let the time bar tick down to around 20% which i measure by lining up the bar with the last "d" in the word Standard.

I know it sounds silly but when I do this I have times where I would actually gain 20% progress on Standards and 30% on Rapid. And also not lose any durability. If I had a nickel for every time I have been at 82 % with 12 durability left and would do a 1% left on the time bar and succeed and get to 100 with 1 durability I would atleast have a dollar.

I know its not an exact science but it is what I do.

Short and sweet method I use this rule of thumb

White= Standard @ 75% left on timebar. (For stubborn synths I try to match the time/percentage bar with progress. ie... 50% progress let time bar diminish to 50% before clicking.

Yellow = Rapid but at 20% time bar

Red = wait if it stays red then I Bold but at 5% but no more than 20%

Multi color = Wild card any synth can be chosen. I tend to use Standard if synth is going well... but Rapid if I need a boost because usually on success its 30% progression.

Its confusing I know but I spend a lot of time crafting and I have a few things between 7 and 10.

Also before you even begin a synth watch for the message "This synth requires a larger scale facility". Its telling you that you need support. I try to use the guild if possible as you can choose Common Guild or Master supports. Rank 10 and higher need to choose Guild support.

Hope this not only serves to confuse you but to give you something to try. I think SE went the hot/cold route with most things in this game but I think we as a community will have it sorted out soon. Happy crafting.
#13 Sep 25 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks, I'll try giving that a shot tomorrow when leve's reset.

I'm hoping you're right ... because I really need some help on these rank 10+ synths.
#14 Sep 25 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I had the same trouble you're having - I picked up a Rank 15 Leve and destroyed every synth with like 1 success through all the attempts.

Not sure, was using Master's Laboratory.
#15 Sep 25 2010 at 8:07 PM Rating: Decent
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where can i find crafting recipes?
#16 Sep 26 2010 at 6:12 AM Rating: Good
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djocapn wrote:
Thanks, I'll try giving that a shot tomorrow when leve's reset.

I'm hoping you're right ... because I really need some help on these rank 10+ synths.


Well, I had mixed results, I couldn't tell if it made any difference. Haven't done any leve's yet to test on those, but just doing regular synths.

On a side note I was grinding up Weaver making rope belts, lots and lots of success. Then I hit Rank 10 and the fail fest started. It's like a magic line and once you cross it the free ride is over and the real pain begins.

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where can i find crafting recipes?

Websites like this, it's in the database. If you complete a leve the game will give you one recipe but you have to write it down if you want to keep it. There is no recipe book in game where you can store what you learn like other MMO's.
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