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#1 Sep 27 2010 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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Data is a few days old, but noticing it maps pretty well to what I see in game:
http://www.ff14news.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ffxiv-population-information.jpg

I know people will be leveling multi-classes, some people might have simply started off as Pugs to get Second Wind, then swap to Lancer or Archer prime.

....or, are Archer's and Lancers underpowered/boring compared to the other classes?

Just curious.. as I prefer to play red-headed-step-child classes, which at this point looks like it might be Archer.
#2 Sep 27 2010 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
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From the second Lancer was announced, I knew it'd be my class.

I took Pugilist to 6 for Second Wind, but I started as Lancer and I got it to 10 (Speed Surge!) before I even touched Pugilist. I love the class, personally. Of course, it may also be personal bias, as I'm a career DRG in FFXI.
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#3 Sep 27 2010 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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i dont know about the rest of people but i leveled pug to 6 for second wind, now starting on my Lancer as that will be my main until i get to maybe 10 then i will take the rest to 10 (except archer) for a more mixture of abilities during the lower levels.. thats my plan anyways
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mocorcim wrote:
Data is a few days old, but noticing it maps pretty well to what I see in game:
http://www.ff14news.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ffxiv-population-information.jpg

I know people will be leveling multi-classes, some people might have simply started off as Pugs to get Second Wind, then swap to Lancer or Archer prime.

....or, are Archer's and Lancers underpowered/boring compared to the other classes?

Just curious.. as I prefer to play red-headed-step-child classes, which at this point looks like it might be Archer.


I wouldn't take that info as gospel.

Anyway, on topic - I think many early adopters of FFXIV remember the pain Rangers went through after spending all that money only to get ****** around by SE, and they also remember that there were so many DD kicking around town looking for groups, they thought it would be a good idea to dive in and go straight for tank and healer roles.

So with more DD classes than any other, and the memories of FFXI, you get a less played class.

Which is a shame. I got to... Lancer 7 in a very short grinding session. Way powerful DD.
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#5 Sep 27 2010 at 6:54 AM Rating: Excellent
Archer is already looking to be a good deal more expensive than any other class to level, and that is probably turning some people off from the idea.

Also I don't think many people understand the role that Lancer fills. Looking through it's abilities and playing with it, I've found it to be a melee debuffing class with aggro controlling elements in the later levels.
#6 Sep 27 2010 at 6:58 AM Rating: Good
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personally I wont play archer until I have:
- an good income stream
- a good way to buy arrows i want without running around

both issue can be solved.... with an AH which the game is lacking.
therefore no archer for me ^^
#7 Sep 27 2010 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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Like Lamnethx said, most people still don't understand what Lancer do. A guy in my LS even thought Lancer is a tank :< then I told him Lancer has the lowest Hp out of all 5 DoW.

I'm playing Lancer/Archer/Goldsmith/Carpenter/Culinarian. Looks like 3 out of my 5 are the least played.
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#8 Sep 27 2010 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Bleh, Long time drg, Gota play lancer, Its going to end up being the best high end damage for extended fights
#9 Sep 27 2010 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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Dartaniann wrote:
Bleh, Long time drg, Gota play lancer, Its going to end up being the best high end damage for extended fights


Disagree. I think out of the DoW Marauders will be. Lancer are much more support, somewhere in with THF and DNC from XI. They can contribute decent DD as well as provide great bonuses, but they are not flat out DD onry class and anyone who plays them that way will likely not succeed as a Lancer.
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#10 Sep 27 2010 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Archers will probably get low numbers... due to arrows.

Really hard to make them. you need weavering and carpentering. And of course, tons of mats.
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#11 Sep 27 2010 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes Yes, But still from playing it so far, They seem to be able to do the best sustainable damage for a while, Scratch the misses due to level
#12 Sep 27 2010 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
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Archers also need Blacksmith/Goldsmith to make arrowheads.
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#13 Sep 27 2010 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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To makes things worse, the mats needed can only be made by a reasonable leveled.

Carpenter/Weaver/Blacksmith/Goldsmith.

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#14 Sep 27 2010 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
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My main is Archer and I'm leveling it last because of the cost and survivability. Archers dies faster than Mages. Mages does more damage than Archers. That's why the mage class is the most popular.
#15 Sep 27 2010 at 7:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Tenkuro wrote:
My main is Archer and I'm leveling it last because of the cost and survivability. Archers dies faster than Mages. Mages does more damage than Archers. That's why the mage class is the most popular.

In other words, ***** mages, Go lancer :D
#16 Sep 27 2010 at 7:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I really wanted Archer to be my main, but there isn;t enough abilities to pull from other classes to augment it, and I don;t want to be broke all the time buying arrows :( So I switched to lancer and am pulling abilities from Conjurer. It's fun, I wish I could still aoe the spells.

Once I can make my own arrows will go back to Archer probably.
#17 Sep 27 2010 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Culinarean is looking pretty underrepresented there. Not surprising, since people aren't really worried about food at this point, and it's nothing but a gil sink. The mats are hilariously expensive and hard to procure (a lot of recipes require mats from multiple regions, which without a universal AH makes NPC purchasing a must, and at that point you've already spent more than you could possibly make selling the result), and even despite the few people who are buying, it's impossible to sell foodstuffs for even a fraction of the cost of the mats that went into them. Fishing doesn't even help, since the most I can turn fish into is sand, and not only does that not contribute to any other cooking recipes, I can't even sell sand for more than the cost of a single damned wind shard. And 4k+ gil to make one batch of orange juice? Hah.

But, as a hardcore cook in FFXI, I must endure. The sushi market will be mine... when I can turn fish into something other than sand, at least.
#18 Sep 27 2010 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I went archer, arrows are cheap. You make so much gil from leve's once you get into the 10/20 ones. I only went up to Conj 6 for heal, still going to get blood bath and second wind, but I honestly don't need them right now.

Pump your stat points into vit and str evenly, dex doesn't seem to make a large difference but I pushed it to around 40. I've noticed I am missing a lot less just by attaining higher levels. I run with over 1,000 health at PHY20, which really isn't all that high.

It's easy to solo yellow/orange mobs, multiple root abilities and a lot of aoe attacks make everything pretty fun.

Long story short - If you want to be an archer don't get turned off by the arrow cost, what else are you buying that you can't afford 2,000/gil for enough arrows to last you a pretty good amount of time. Don't buy anything but the 2/gil arrows, they aren't worth it. Don't buy that Maple Longbow for 30k, it's not worth it at that level.
#19 Sep 27 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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mocorcim wrote:
Data is a few days old, but noticing it maps pretty well to what I see in game:
http://www.ff14news.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ffxiv-population-information.jpg

I know people will be leveling multi-classes, some people might have simply started off as Pugs to get Second Wind, then swap to Lancer or Archer prime.

....or, are Archer's and Lancers underpowered/boring compared to the other classes?

Just curious.. as I prefer to play red-headed-step-child classes, which at this point looks like it might be Archer.


I have a long-term plan to go archer.

Short term however I'm lvling a bunch of professions and hope to be self-sufficient on arrows.

In a couple of months or so I guess I will know if this is a good plan or not :)
#20 Sep 27 2010 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Culinarean is looking pretty underrepresented there. Not surprising, since people aren't really worried about food at this point, and it's nothing but a gil sink. The mats are hilariously expensive and hard to procure (a lot of recipes require mats from multiple regions, which without a universal AH makes NPC purchasing a must, and at that point you've already spent more than you could possibly make selling the result), and even despite the few people who are buying, it's impossible to sell foodstuffs for even a fraction of the cost of the mats that went into them. Fishing doesn't even help, since the most I can turn fish into is sand, and not only does that not contribute to any other cooking recipes, I can't even sell sand for more than the cost of a single damned wind shard. And 4k+ gil to make one batch of orange juice? Hah.

But, as a hardcore cook in FFXI, I must endure. The sushi market will be mine... when I can turn fish into something other than sand, at least.

You've gotta realize also, that it's a little early for people to be worried about food at this point. In time though, it'll become a lot more popular/profitable.
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#21 Sep 27 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I love the range Archers have. Lancers feel like Dragoons without their pets.
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#22 Sep 27 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent
My first DoW was Pug. I started leveling Lancer since my DoH is Carpenter and I can make spears. I found the I really like the job. Now, if I can just find some fish glue I could make something other than the weathered spear to fight with (._.)
#23 Sep 27 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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The Lancer is heavily dependent on crafter armor (Hauburgeon, Cuirass, and Acton), and completely dependent on crafted weapons. LNC is easily the most craft-dependent class in the game and the gap is wide between it and the other classes.

Both upgrade Spears, one uses goldsmith components (harpoon) and the other blacksmith components (bronze spear) require the same component: Fish Glue. This requires a decent level Alchemist but also a L15-30 fish, and Fishing got a big nerf in release.

Since in FFXIV your weapon = your class, and LNC weapons are almost non-existent, we see few Lancers (unless they are just toughing it out by using their L1 spear the entire way through...which invariably leads to all the "why can't I hit anything" threads in the LNC forums).
#24 Sep 27 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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Oh so true. Me's a passionate lancer, love the job especially with other abilities combined. But...me's rank 13 now (physical 18) and I've yet to see a new weapon anywhere. Sure, I moved my **** to Limsa Lominsa and can kill Dodos now for wind shards, but my accuracy is horrible. Thankfully I found some crafted armor pieces in town before I set out, might have saved me once or twice.

Still, can't wait for the economy starting to flourish (with the addition of an auction house), so I can finally see the full potential of my chosen class. Not that my decision would change, but yea. I prefer seeing numbers instead of miss miss evade miss. =3
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#25UnlovedTitan, Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 1:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) the problem with conj / thau is there mp driven and since mp is only rechargeable with skills or aethertyte all the fighting classes will be easier to grind with compared to mage classes
#26 Sep 27 2010 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know about Lancer but Archer I would have to say it would be a cost issue. Arrows are not exspensive but most people probably don't know that. I just think the majority of people want good end game jobs leveled first so you will see more mages and tanks like someone else said at cap first.
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#27 Sep 27 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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Lancer is the only fighting job ive leveled so far (to 11) and at 10 you get a nice ability that gives you and party members a small amount of hp every time you hit the mob. I'm still using the weathered spear lol... But I focused on raising my dexterity and that made a huge difference on actually hitting things. (I had put alot towards strength but reallocated as I couldnt hit anything, much better now. What good is an extra 10 strength when you cant hit lol?)
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#28 Sep 27 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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Same, I'm pumping DEX thanks to my experience from Beta. And I'm also a Goldsmith, so it helps too :]
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