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#1 Sep 27 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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There are some recipes where it's obvious (turning a log into lumber, use the saw not the hammer, making yarn- the spinning wheel!) but others are less obvious. Making a bow from a piece of lumber and some string? A saw or a hammer? Seems like both could have applications.

There seem to be many crafted items for which neither or both tool could be used. How do you know which to use? Worse, it seems that you can use a totally inappropriate tool for a craft, compounding the confusion. Maybe it affects success rate?
#2 Sep 27 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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SE has not come out and said anything about off hand tools.

My experience has been that they are like synth support now.

Some crafts do better with synth support (sinew cord synths for example need facilities). And the stats are different, and I am also willing to bet that the bonuses provided by them compound (if you have both tools equipt, and one gives +2 control and +1 output, and the other gives +1 control and +2 output, you are synthing with +3 control and +3 output).

Unfortunately, not enough factors are yet known in synthing, so it's hard to determine the accuracy of this information other than the fact that other gear you equip gives you a stacked bonus (e.g. if you are wearing a full set of crafting gear, you get all your bonuses, not just the bonuses from your tool).
#3 Sep 27 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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So you think you should always use main hand at this point?
#4 Sep 27 2010 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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robywar wrote:
So you think you should always use main hand at this point?


I don't. I was doing a local leve making cookies and was having no success with the weathered skillet. When I switched to the knife, I finished, no problems (no logic on why a knife is better, lol). Anyways, it's just a matter of using the right tool for the job. Check some of the crafter forums for more info.
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#5 Sep 27 2010 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Feeding off of what rfolk said, you use your main hand for certain synths and off-hand for other. For me as a weaver I use my needle to sow clothes together, but use my spinning wheel to make yarn and cloth. It seems I have a higher success rate when I use the right hand. Just experiment and see.
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#6 Sep 27 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Feeding off of what rfolk said, you use your main hand for certain synths and off-hand for other. For me as a weaver I use my needle to sow clothes together, but use my spinning wheel to make yarn and cloth. It seems I have a higher success rate when I use the right hand. Just experiment and see.


Not only a higher success rate, from my understanding turning moko grass into to hemo yarn can vary in results depending. If you use the needle, you only get 2 hemp yarns, while using the spinning wheel nets you 12. I think we need to band together to find out which recipes do this.

I am a skinner for now, but I have no idea what a awl is vs a head knife so I don't know when to use what! :/
#7 Sep 27 2010 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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The main hand and off hand tools have different crafting stats which are likely to have different effects on your outcome. What I found most interesting is "magical craftsmanship", which seems to imply a higher success rate if your stats are more magic-oriented. Indeed, as a THM I have found much more crafting success with my offhand tool, which is more in favor of magical craftsmanship, than my main hand tool. This not only affects the overall success rate of my synths, but also seems to have an impact on starting quality and durability as well.

I don't believe individual recipes favor one tool over the other, rather the effectiveness of your tools are influenced by other factors. At higher levels, I imagine main hand will favor consistent normal quality crafts, while offhand will favor less consistent high quality crafts. Or perhaps vice versa depending on the class. Plenty of experimentation to be done.
#8 Sep 27 2010 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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The main hand and off hand tools have different crafting stats which are likely to have different effects on your outcome. What I found most interesting is "magical craftsmanship", which seems to imply a higher success rate if your stats are more magic-oriented. Indeed, as a THM I have found much more crafting success with my offhand tool, which is more in favor of magical craftsmanship, than my main hand tool. This not only affects the overall success rate of my synths, but also seems to have an impact on starting quality and durability as well.

I don't believe individual recipes favor one tool over the other, rather the effectiveness of your tools are influenced by other factors. At higher levels, I imagine main hand will favor consistent normal quality crafts, while offhand will favor less consistent high quality crafts. Or perhaps vice versa depending on the class. Plenty of experimentation to be done.


But the tool does effect the outcome.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=10005202#Ingredient_in

Notice two quantities for hempen yarn.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/recipe.html?ffxivrecipe=13

And in the comments, it seems someone has already figured it out. I heard about it in game.
But to be safe, I'll try this myself to verify if it is true. Well, as soon as I get enough lightning shards.
#9 Sep 27 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Some other thread I was reading said to use the offhand when making parts, and the mainhand when making finished items, like armor.
#10 Sep 27 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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There's usually some logic to what tool to use. I just did a leve for goldsmithing. I have a hammer (main) and a grinding wheel (offhand). Recipe is bone chip to bone ring. I tried using the hammer and failed big time. I tried the grinding wheel and succeeded 3 times.
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#11 Sep 27 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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You receive 12 hempen yarn whether you use the spinning wheel or needle. The 2 yarn thing must be a mistake.
#12 Sep 27 2010 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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From what I have found, in Carpentry at least, is that the tool makes a good bit of difference. I don't exactly know which is for what, but I have been using my saw for mostly turning log's into lumber or planks, and my off hand for creating parts such as hammer grips.

I made over 60 hammer grips so far, I never once crit into a +1 using the saw, but the off hand I have crit a few. So perhaps you can't crit craft with the wrong tool either.

It also seems as if you get a higher amount of skill points for using the correct tool, although not a whole lot, I average 173-205 skill points with the correct tool and 140-185 with the wrong.
#13 Sep 27 2010 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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crushgroove wrote:
It also seems as if you get a higher amount of skill points for using the correct tool, although not a whole lot, I average 173-205 skill points with the correct tool and 140-185 with the wrong.


You can get more experience and Rank points for ending the synth with higher quality number. It could be that the "right" tool gives more quality as well.
#14 Sep 27 2010 at 6:44 PM Rating: Good
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Um, I feel dumb. When I craft, I always have both tools equipped. How can I only use the offhand tool?
#15 Sep 27 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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LalafellYahwey wrote:
Um, I feel dumb. When I craft, I always have both tools equipped. How can I only use the offhand tool?


When you are on the ingredients window there is a Main hand button and an off hand button.
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