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Private Stores in Aion were better than FFXIV BazaarsFollow

#1 Sep 28 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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Why?

Because you could have a SIGN. Even with the Trade Broker, crafters still use the Private Store to quickly unload mats in the main cities and have signs indicating the kinds of mats they specialize in. No one bothers going from private store to private store - if you see a sign with some items you want, you go there! If not, you pass by. It's realistic, as no one goes to a store with no idea of what they sell inside! If they're trying to emulate a real "bazaar" feeling in parts of the world where these are common, then you have people shouting out their goods, showing them off. You don't wander up to a random dude in a bazaar and say HI DO YOU HAVE ANY COTTON BALLS?

Yeah, the Private Store system is in no way as heavily used as the Trade Broker, but when the game launched in the US, when people were still in starter zones (with no AH access) there was heavy use of the Private Stores, and it was an awesome way to sell decent drops and find gear that was way better than what the NPCs were selling.

Also, because you didn't spend half your time crafting these items, it didn't really matter what they sold for. The Private Store economy was variable but it was easy to plunge into because, at low levels, it was mostly just for extra $$$ and fun.

tl;dr - signs would help, if you think the bazaar system could be salvaged.
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#2 Sep 28 2010 at 9:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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yfaithfully wrote:
Why?

Because you could have a SIGN. Even with the Trade Broker, crafters still use the Private Store to quickly unload mats in the main cities and have signs indicating the kinds of mats they specialize in. No one bothers going from private store to private store - if you see a sign with some items you want, you go there! If not, you pass by. It's realistic, as no one goes to a store with no idea of what they sell inside! If they're trying to emulate a real "bazaar" feeling in parts of the world where these are common, then you have people shouting out their goods, showing them off. You don't wander up to a random dude in a bazaar and say HI DO YOU HAVE ANY COTTON BALLS?

Yeah, the Private Store system is in no way as heavily used as the Trade Broker, but when the game launched in the US, when people were still in starter zones (with no AH access) there was heavy use of the Private Stores, and it was an awesome way to sell decent drops and find gear that was way better than what the NPCs were selling.

Also, because you didn't spend half your time crafting these items, it didn't really matter what they sold for. The Private Store economy was variable but it was easy to plunge into because, at low levels, it was mostly just for extra $$$ and fun.

tl;dr - signs would help, if you think the bazaar system could be salvaged.


It would be a huge disaster actually.

The Private Store system was never meant to operate in an environment that did not also contain an auction house. If signs were to be added to FFXIV's bazaars you'd have an unreadable lag-fest of signs hanging over the heads of a thousand zombies, instead of just having a thousand zombies
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#3 Sep 28 2010 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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I have heard people say they try to name their retainer according to what they sell. I haven't messed with the retainer system but can you change the name as you change the items you sell?
#4 Sep 28 2010 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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No. But you can simply hire a new retaimer with a new name.
(skip the simply, it's not simple at all):/
#5 Sep 28 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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The sign system caused massive amounts of lag in the main cities in Aion. While it would be semi-convenient at first thought, most signs were nigh-unreadable if there was enough people online in Sanctum for example all squatting in the same area outside the broker building. So it's understandable why they would exclude it.

Let's just hope they eventually add an auction house or something similar.
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#6 Sep 28 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Geffe the Meaningless wrote:
I haven't messed with the retainer system but can you change the name as you change the items you sell?


This. My retainer is named Goldandfood. Not terribly creative but enough to get the point across.
#7 Sep 28 2010 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
In Aion did they try to have a purely player based economy with enormously complex crafts that made people rely on being able to efficiently buy and sell materials in order to have any items to sell in the first place even at low levels?
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#8 Sep 28 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Technically Ragnarok had that idea first ;D
And I'm sure there was an MMO before that with that in mind...

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#9 Sep 28 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Default
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RE: Lagging

Unlike FFXIV, Aion didn't have multiple designated store areas. Spreading retainers out should help with lagging considerably, although at the moment no one has figured out a way to organize that.

Given there are already complaints about lagging in bazaars, I'm not sure if signs could make it much worse. Surely programming readable signs that don't present more lag than player/retainer models isn't an impossible feat? Or maybe they could appear after hovering over them?

Without signs, I see no way that a bazaar system can work. And if you add in a search function then you simply have an AH.

I'd love to see a game have a player-based economy, so this is really the one part of FFXIV that I'm hoping takes off. This is a necessary step for MMOs going from NPC-ruled co-op games that players simply play in to fully player-controlled worlds. I also applaud SE for emphasizing non-violent player roles instead of making them purely secondary, so I'd love to see this model for crafting work. In no way did I want this to be an Aion vs. FFXIV thread - I just think that there has to be a way to salvage the clearly broken bazaar system, and re-creating a retainer with a more transparent name every time you want to see different stuff seems incredibly tedious, and adding a search just turns it into an AH.
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