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#1 Sep 28 2010 at 8:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I know I'm gonna get a storm of people mad at me for saying this but I really want this game to succeed. There are many things that are unacceptable for launch that are present in this game. I don't want to hear the FFXI had nothing in the start argument because Square has had 10 years to learn from their past game. These criticisms need to be voiced or else we will never see this game go in the direction we want. I've seen too many failed MMO launches to know that SE needs to act on these major issues fast before people jump ship.

1. The UI lag is completely unacceptable. The fact that it takes at least 10 seconds to sell 1 item to an NPC or move it to your retainer is horrid. It gets even worse for crafting when choosing materials. Things that should be accomplished in less than a second are taking up way too much time.

2. The battle lag is terrible. I can deal with no autoattack as I was a ranger in FFXI, im used to mashing a button to attack, but a game thats 10 years older has a smoother battle response system. Yes there were times in FFXI where there would be a second delay until your weaponskill fired off but most of the time it was almost instant. In FFXIV there is considerable battle lag that makes me scratch my head. I thought the point of the stamina system was so that you had to manage your stamina. Right now theres a decent chance that your moves will attack after a few seconds delay or the animation will not even occur at all. It really makes you feel detached from the experience as a whole.

3. The GuildLeve system is poorly implemented. As it stands right now it seems almost pointless to group up for guildleves. This is your once chance in the game to use Guardian's Favor and get a good amount of rank experience. However if you group up most of the mobs are killed in 2-3 shots anyway and you are usually left with a very small amount of rank ups. A good example is 3 friends of mine from FFXI who read from SE that guildleves were intended to be shared. After a few days they were confused as to why they would get worse rank ups in guildleves than by just grinding. I told them to try soloing them and they did and immediately saw a bigger amount of rankups. Whats worse is they are all the same rehashed leve everytime, just killing x amount of mobs and you win. There seems to be no strategy involved at all.

4. 1 Questline is laziness at its best. Really SE? After all this time you couldn't come up with at least low level quests? Its extremely frustrating because to me there isn't much to do for fun right now. I try crafting once in awhile but I don't see the thrill in it at all. The minigame is very repetitive and lags just as bad as many other things in the game. I WANT TO ADVENTURE but having no quests just kills this aspect of the game.

5. Community/Economy system is just a mess right now. I still only have 2 pieces of upgraded armor and I probably overpaid for them by a ton but I finally saw them and caved in. I would like to see an AH but it wouldn't kill me if they didnt have one. If you've played Guild Wars before you will know that there was no AH and most people congregated in one area and shouted for goods or if they were selling goods. It actually didn't work that bad but I don't see it working in FFXIV with the amount of lag there is currently. The retainer system doesn't help you find items any faster. So I wanna buy a certain crafting material, well looks like im **** outta luck, maybe I'll get lucky and win the lottery after cycling through 100's of retainers with tons of lag.

I'll keep my fingers crossed because I really want this game to succeed, but I don't know how long I can continue paying for what seems to be a Beta.


#2 Sep 28 2010 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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And yet, I spend 2-4 hours playing each day. Hmmmm...
#3 Sep 28 2010 at 8:59 PM Rating: Default
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And yet, I spend 2-4 hours playing each day. Hmmmm...


some people ********** 2-4 hours a day, enjoyable? perhaps. doesn't mean it's good for you.
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#4 Sep 28 2010 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Most of your post seems to be your computer. Thanks for playing!
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#6 Sep 28 2010 at 9:12 PM Rating: Good
1). Agreed. I completely agree.

2). I don't see much battle lag thankfully. The main times I see it is when I am trying to use Phalanx or a Weapon Skill on occasion.

3). Again, I agree.

4). Another thing I agree with. We really should have some low level quests to keep us busy along with the other things.

5). I don't agree here. I have a full set of armor and a new sword and shield. The retainer system could be a lot better, but it is just fine.
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#7 Sep 28 2010 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Zoltanrs, how can you say its my computer. I've put it on even the lowest of settings and the lag to sell something or select something was still present. Everyone in my linkshell complains of it.
#8 Sep 28 2010 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
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Dont really understand.

Game is barely playable - it plays absolutely fine for me. No issues with the UI, no issues with lag, like the crafting mechanic, enjoying guildleves (in particular sharing leves across the three city states with LS mates), had a great time duo grinding yesterday with a new player i had never met before.

Frame rate is awesome, control mechanism fixed now hardware mouse implemented, conjurer exp fixed from beta (and exploit fixed shortly after).

I'm not sure what you mean by barely playable. The only issues I have with the game are things like lack of an AH, the retainer system and lack of storage space - none of which make the game unplayable.

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#9 Sep 28 2010 at 9:15 PM Rating: Good
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measureups wrote:
sylph19 wrote:
And yet, I spend 2-4 hours playing each day. Hmmmm...


some people ********** 2-4 hours a day, enjoyable? perhaps. doesn't mean it's good for you.


Its not bad for you, and if you enjoy it - why not do it!
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#10 Sep 28 2010 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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Just on the leves, if your mobs are dying in 2-3 hits turn up the difficulty!!! its there for a reason, the low level ones on the level 1 camp at legion are still easy, but beware the level 10 and up leves on legion!!! you will most likely wipe haha

#11 Sep 28 2010 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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WillCider wrote:
Zoltanrs, how can you say its my computer. I've put it on even the lowest of settings and the lag to sell something or select something was still present. Everyone in my linkshell complains of it.


So your logic is that because you and others have put the game on the lowest settings it can't be the computers? Really? There is a touch of lag on my old 2008 POS "budget gaming rig" I built but really not enough to mention. Ever since 3rd week of beta combat lag has been straight and with fixes at release it is at the doorstep of no lag. Clearly there is some but not worthy of that amount of crying. if it is taking you 10 seconds to do something that is ABSOLUTELY the computer.
#12 Sep 28 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Default
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Everything you're saying has already been voiced in numerous threads. Thanks for wasting forum space with another "list of stuff I think makes this game unacceptable" thread.
#13 Sep 28 2010 at 9:50 PM Rating: Default
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I don't know, if it's barely playable, don't play? Leave the rest of us to enjoy it.

As someone mentioned earlier, what's the point of yet another QQ thread?
#14 Sep 28 2010 at 10:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I guess I will choose this thread... sure why not. This is not directed at this OP, but to all the "naysayers" ...

I am sorry if this has already been said a thousand times... but we all have to remember that FFXI had 17 months in Japan before we even saw it here in the US (and another year later in Europe). That's May of '02 until October of '03. And it STILL had patch after patch, fixing issues. Something tells me that most of us had no idea what kind of real growing pains the game went through, before we even started playing.

This game has been out of beta for ONE WEEK. And it is not even the "official" release yet (being the 30th). AND Square Enix decided to do a worldwide simultaneous release to give everyone an even playing field.

Sure... they have plenty of experience in MMO's now... but that does not mean that there won't be growing pains.

Give it a rest. If you don't like it... no one is twisting your arm to play it. Cancel your account and come back next year and see what you think. Obviously they have A LOT planned for this game... and they want us to experience it slowly, piece by piece. I'd be freaking out if the game were the size of FFXI upon release. Everyone would be rushing through the levels, trying to get to the higher level areas... not able to really stop and see what this game is all about. I'm only level 8 and rank 7 for Marauder... but I am having fun just exploring and trying out the different crafts and jobs...

I'm enjoying it. And this is the only "rant" I will give.

Have a nice day :)
#15 Sep 28 2010 at 11:13 PM Rating: Good
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Zoddy75 wrote:
I guess I will choose this thread... sure why not. This is not directed at this OP, but to all the "naysayers" ...

I am sorry if this has already been said a thousand times... but we all have to remember that FFXI had 17 months in Japan before we even saw it here in the US (and another year later in Europe). That's May of '02 until October of '03. And it STILL had patch after patch, fixing issues. Something tells me that most of us had no idea what kind of real growing pains the game went through, before we even started playing.


I really agree with this.

I'm not saying that this is a poor MMO launch (because I wouldn't know in the first place, considering the only other MMO I've ever really played was FFXI, and, if you consider the facts of what I quoted, I didn't really play at the launch) and I'm not saying that a poor MMO launch is excusable for any game-design company but maybe everyone should give FFXIV's development team a break and direct their anger towards the game's PUBLISHER.

Was the team really ready to release FFXIV? We don't know.
Are they doing utilizing all of their resources to improve it? Yes.
Is there anything we can do about it? No.
Is positive criticism more effective than negative complaints? Definitely.
For everything else, there's Mastercard.
#16 Sep 29 2010 at 1:01 AM Rating: Decent
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some people ********** 2-4 hours a day, enjoyable? perhaps. doesn't mean it's good for you.


LIES!!
#17 Sep 29 2010 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Zoddy75 wrote:
I guess I will choose this thread... sure why not. This is not directed at this OP, but to all the "naysayers" ...

I am sorry if this has already been said a thousand times... but we all have to remember that FFXI had 17 months in Japan before we even saw it here in the US (and another year later in Europe). That's May of '02 until October of '03. And it STILL had patch after patch, fixing issues. Something tells me that most of us had no idea what kind of real growing pains the game went through, before we even started playing.

This game has been out of beta for ONE WEEK. And it is not even the "official" release yet (being the 30th). AND Square Enix decided to do a worldwide simultaneous release to give everyone an even playing field.

Sure... they have plenty of experience in MMO's now... but that does not mean that there won't be growing pains.

Give it a rest. If you don't like it... no one is twisting your arm to play it. Cancel your account and come back next year and see what you think. Obviously they have A LOT planned for this game... and they want us to experience it slowly, piece by piece. I'd be freaking out if the game were the size of FFXI upon release. Everyone would be rushing through the levels, trying to get to the higher level areas... not able to really stop and see what this game is all about. I'm only level 8 and rank 7 for Marauder... but I am having fun just exploring and trying out the different crafts and jobs...

I'm enjoying it. And this is the only "rant" I will give.

Have a nice day :)


You couldn't have said it better. :)

First off, when FFXI came out in Japan, they literally have no content what so ever. The NA release wasn't till the "Rise of the Zilart" and like Zoddy said, they were patching continuously to make the game balanced out.

FFXIV is a great game, I'm already loving and getting use to every single UI design to gameplay. What more can I ask for? It's Final Fantasy after all.
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#18cornyboob, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 1:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is the worst MMO i have ever played. I came in with very high expectations i played FFXI for 3 years before WoW for 6.
#19 Sep 29 2010 at 1:33 AM Rating: Good
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This is the worst MMO i have ever played. I came in with very high expectations i played FFXI for 3 years before WoW for 6.

This game ahs 2 quests they are long and booring and confusing and thats it you kill the same 3 mobs over and over till lv 16 you can craft if you have the time to farm 600 crystals and 5 stacks of materials and not get agro and die. if you kill two mobs at once you get 1 exp per mob if you kill solo you get 230 -330 for an EP theere is no DC VT or T there is just EP and IT and you get raped by IT solo in grps they fall over with no effort and give the same 250-330 exp and no better loot and its even slower then solo..

grouping is dead in this game the leves suck and are barly made and there is nothing at all to do..

Age of Conan was 500 times better and it crashed all the time this game is a total loss imo unelss they add hundreds of quests and some better balanced grinding spots for parties because every spot is overwhelmed you cant even progress at any decent speed at all,

and its so laggy that nothing is fun you cant move around as easy as its predacessor.. EPIC FAIL


The only thing that is epic fail is your grasp on the english language.
#20 Sep 29 2010 at 1:42 AM Rating: Default
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i stopped reading at "WoW"
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i stopped reading at "WoW"


why? yes he does sound like an idiot with his post, but so many people fail to acknowledge that WoW did a lot of things right even though you may not have liked it.
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why? yes he does sound like an idiot with his post, but so many people fail to acknowledge that WoW did a lot of things right even though you may not have liked it.


I hope you're wearing your fireman outfit. Nobody here will admit that WoW is anything more than a cartoony game for little kids.
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#23 Sep 29 2010 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
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measureups wrote:
sylph19 wrote:
And yet, I spend 2-4 hours playing each day. Hmmmm...


some people ********** 2-4 hours a day, enjoyable? perhaps. doesn't mean it's good for you.


Its not bad for you, and if you enjoy it - why not do it!


Experts would say it's entirely natural, and good for stamina as well as relieving stress. Of course, like MMOs, it can lead to poor social skills and dark nights spent alone with Mountain Dew.
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#24 Sep 29 2010 at 2:12 AM Rating: Good
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I really agree with this.

I'm not saying that this is a poor MMO launch (because I wouldn't know in the first place, considering the only other MMO I've ever really played was FFXI, and, if you consider the facts of what I quoted, I didn't really play at the launch) and I'm not saying that a poor MMO launch is excusable for any game-design company but maybe everyone should give FFXIV's development team a break and direct their anger towards the game's PUBLISHER.

Was the team really ready to release FFXIV? We don't know.
Are they doing utilizing all of their resources to improve it? Yes.
Is there anything we can do about it? No.
Is positive criticism more effective than negative complaints? Definitely.
For everything else, there's Mastercard


As far as MMO launches, it's a mixed bag. I'll make the obligatory response right now that I have played many from launch, etc.

It is by far the smoothest in terms of getting in and playing. The patches are quick to fix exploits other bugs. This is a plus. Others let exploits carry on for a bit trying to get the servers stable. In the technical sense, it was great.

For actual in game content (not meaning story, but other elements as well), that is a discussion that has quite a few posts right now on the front page. I can say it feels lacking from about half of the MMOs i've been a part of at launch, and abundant considering other failed MMOs I've been a part of at launch. This is the reason I don't knock many peoples opinion about the game. Some of it is very true. I can't say anything when I have had the same thoughts. (Be it that I know it is too soon to criticize as of said experience, blah.)
#25 Sep 29 2010 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
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ohh no thats not why i stopped at WoW...i think WoW did alot of things right, (tho i prefered LoTRO wich is basicly the same as WoW as far as i know but i love LOTR..) .. i just knew exactly where that post was going, anyone who says they played wow in the first sentance is only here to find EVERY little fault with this brand new game, i admit im a ff fanboy, thats not to say i dont respect what WoW has done for MMO's..
just like i say im sick of people saying "I played WoW and it had this.. even tho it looked like a cartoon" ... yea ok so it was a good thing to have.. on WoW.. this is FF tho..

so thats why i stopped reading at WoW.. not bashing the game, bashing the player base :)

on a side note i still agree that there is alot to be fixed (OBVIOUSLY<<!!!!<<) in FF14 but it will happen and until then ill plod along and do bits and pieces on it.
i actually think the 30th MIGHT bring some good stuff for us, if not then maybe a month after that.

edit: missed out a whole thought :P

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 4:35am by RaidonFF14
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