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#1 Sep 29 2010 at 5:04 AM Rating: Good
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Hey,

first of all. Sorry for my bad english. I hope you are going to understand everything:)

So..the first days i hadn't much time to play, so the 8 guild leves were enough. Now I'm at a point where I finished the regional and local leves. I thought i may go to another city and get new leves. But..no. Well. 16 Quests per 36 Hours. I think that's not pretty much right? I'm not a hardcore gamer, but i finished those 16 Leves quite fast.

Okay..what to do now? The only thing is Grinding or Crafting. I like the crafting system. But after finishing the Leves you have around 30 hours left. I know..sleeping, working and all the other stuff. But there is still a lot of time you are not able to do anything, right? 30 Hours of Crafting? No. I don't want to do that. Grinding? I really don't like grinding pretty much. Is it the only way, beside leve-sharing and crafting, to level up? Or am i totally wrong and there is something i didn't get yet?

This should not be a QQ thread. I just don't get it, why i'm limited to 16 quests per 36 hours and then have to grind.

Thanks:) And again, sorry for my bad english;)
#2 Sep 29 2010 at 5:27 AM Rating: Good
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I guess you havent played FF online so far.

This is just SE ways of getting people not to level too fast. They wanted, that at a moment you fight, after some time you so some gathering (fishing, ...) then some crafting, and then back to grinding/leave.

But also dont forget the storyline mission. I really dont get it why you limite this game to leaves-quests....Ist an open world, enjoy it



Edited, Sep 29th 2010 8:06am by mmolma
#3 Sep 29 2010 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't have the rank to get the 3rd story mission. its okay what they want us to do. but (i don't know if i get anything wrong here) i started as an marauder. this is what i want to be most of the time. well. doing the leves with the marauder. then i have to grind if i want to level up another class. or do i have another 8 leves for that class? if so, excuse me, but i don't think it is like this.
#4 Sep 29 2010 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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best options are level another class, or just grind. If you get a good spot its faster than you'd expect.
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#5 Sep 29 2010 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Do you have played FFXI?

because all you did there was basicly doing some storylinequest (I really remember that i did rank 1 with level 5ish and rank 2 around 15 and rank 3 with 20). In between you could do basicly no quests, at least not the type of quests that gives you a lot of experience. So the only thing that you had to do was running around, doing crafting while waiting over an hour to find a party to play, since in FFXI you needed a party for nearly everything.

So for me, Leaves are a big improvement bc i can play alone or in a party, and i get along very well. If the fact that you have to wait on timer reset bothers you, maybee you shouldnt play FFXIV at all, bc thats just how it works in the FF world

I give you another example from FFXI

They gave the player a ring witch provides them with 80% (I think) more Experience per kill. But it only last till you got a max of 1000 Exp and to use it again you have to wait 12 or 16 hrs....

I could go on like this, bc FFXI had a lot of examples..
#6 Sep 29 2010 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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i havent played ffxi.

as i said. dont get me wrong.

i love this game. i just dont get it why i have to grind. the leveling system..wow! i think its amazing. but theres this thing with the leves. the leve system at all is pretty nice. but only 8 (kill) quests per 36 hours? the crafting system is pretty nice but it is to..(dont know the right word sorry) big. im going to stay at ffxiv. i want to see what se is going to implement. maybe there will be some changes with the leve system. maybe not. maybe im going to like grinding (havnt been doing it yet). maybe not. im going to see:)

well. and i got one question maybe you are able to help me. i started as a marauder and most skilled on strength and vitality. dont know if that was right but thats not the thing i want to know.
i thought that i'm able to reset all the points i spent. well...i clicked on the reset button and only got a few points resetted. am i not able to play something like a marauder and a conjurer with full powered skills ( hope you know what i mean:) )? do i choose between fighter and mage or is it possible to reset ALL points?

thanks:)
#7 Sep 29 2010 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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Grinding will be a big part of levelling up. The Leves are just a fun side bonus. Quest based levelling is a different game.
#8 Sep 29 2010 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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As i have heard you cant reset all your points, but only a percentage of it. Then you have to wait(like i already said, FF system) a time, and you can reset again some point, but you wont never be able to reset all your points.

As for the leaves...lets hope SE has something in their hand with them. They already changed it , because in beta you had to wait 48 heures. Witch server do you play?

If selbina, maybee you can add me to your friendslist, and we could play together one time

#9 Sep 29 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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get a job, go outside, bake some bread.. who cares? :P

But in all seriousness, don't burn out so fast. I work 45 hours a week and 16 guildleves per 36 hours is about all I can do, if i'm not super efficient about it.

I know you want to get ahead of the curve and all (I would like to as well), but I don't think this is meant to be a super-competitive game.

Right down what your top 3 goals out of the game are, at a very high level (Exploring new places, storyline, creating/crafting rare items), and persue that. But don't burn out, or become a mindless, number crunching zombie. It stops being a game and become a chore.

I know some people claim to like that, but yet they still complain about the grind, so I don't really understand what they like. I believe it's an obsession (I played FFXI for 2 years before I realized I was obsessed and didnt like it for over a year :P)

TL;DR summary: Take a breath, take a step back. List and persue goals at a high level. Go outside before it gets too cold. DONT BURN OUT AND LOSE ENJOYMENT. It's Day 6!!
#10 Sep 29 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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geoncic wrote:
But don't burn out, or become a mindless, number crunching zombie. It stops being a game and become a chore.


eh... it's inevitable, a lot of people will end up that way once they hit the cap and starting doing whatever the EG content is in the game.

the zombies exist in every MMO.
#11 Sep 29 2010 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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They have essentially put in a system with drastic deminishing returns. So drastic because they have have to give a disincintive to putting in extremely long (grind) sessions, and instead to do something else outside of the game.

They have decided that if the player actually played in shorter sessions, then they would get more overall enjoyment out of the game, thus remain a faithful subscriber (instead of burning out).

Whether this turns out to be true, or not, remains to be determined. It might just alienate those that are going to try to grind it out dispite the diminishing returns, because they have OCD (or nothing better to do) :P

not trying to flame or insult... I was an obsessed grinder at one point (18 hour non-stop party leveling in FFXI was my record). Now, after I do my leves, I do a little bit of crafting or farming and then im done. ~3 hours a day of gameplay. I am finding the game very enjoyable and the kinks/bugs are not getting to me as much as they would if I were putting in 5-8 hour sessions.
#12 Sep 29 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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ghosthacked wrote:
geoncic wrote:
But don't burn out, or become a mindless, number crunching zombie. It stops being a game and become a chore.


eh... it's inevitable, a lot of people will end up that way once they hit the cap and starting doing whatever the EG content is in the game.

the zombies exist in every MMO.


It's very difficult to get away from. The ease of information distribution makes breaking MMOs down into a set of formulas and spreadsheets inevitible. It's sad, because the people that enjoy the game are the same ones that eventually take the fun out of it :/

I'm kind of glad SE is tight-lipped about game mechanics and information. It adds a little mystery and wonder. Yeah, they will be figured out eventually, but SE needs to be on the ball with adding new content and even mechanics to keep the game interesting over the years.

I believe they've already made a paradigm shift in how leveling up, battling and crafting all work together, and we havent even began to scratch the surface of how complex this game could come to be. I'm pretty excited if they can do this right.
#13 Sep 29 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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You can do Behest at the top of every RL hour. Talk to a battlewarden near the stone (usually by a fence), its like a Guildleve, 24 in one day ;)
#14 Sep 29 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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XellossM wrote:
You can do Behest at the top of every RL hour. Talk to a battlewarden near the stone (usually by a fence), its like a Guildleve, 24 in one day ;)

What is this Behest you speak of?!?! More details please? (:
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