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#1 Sep 29 2010 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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Due to the growing sentiment between posters on here criticizing Square-Enix for some of the features that were kept out for the release (such as lack of search function for players, bazaars, chat truncation, lack of an Auction House, etc) do you guys think it would have been better for Square-Enix to have delayed the PC release to next year to coincide with the PlayStation 3 release for more of a "complete" launch?

Tl;dr Version: Would you have rather waited for the release to come later to start off with the features that seem to be needed in the game or do you not regret starting now in September with all of these missing features?
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#2 Sep 29 2010 at 10:28 AM Rating: Default
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Nope - I'd rather play a buggy FFXIV than not at all.
#4 Sep 29 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes they should have waited and released PC and PS3 at the same time :p

#6 Sep 29 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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I should have taken the time to post my opinion as well:

I am really liking Final Fantasy XIV so far. However, I have had some trouble finding a simple Bronze Dagger for my Gladiator, so in the time that I'm looking for one, I've levelled some other classes and played through some I'd never imagined I enjoyed. (I never really played mage classes in XI because I thought they were boring, and in XIV they are a lot of fun!)

I'm very optimistic that Square-Enix is going to make improvements to the game within the coming months, but yet I visit the forum and instead of trying to find advice or tips or questions about the game I see repeated complaints which just puts a damper on the forum experience in general.

The game is buggy, but I'm actually glad they stuck to their 2010 release date, if only partially. And as of right now, they've been far more vocal within the first few months of the game than the first six or so years of Final Fantasy XI, so it's certainly a step in the right direction, even if others refuse to believe so.
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#7 Sep 29 2010 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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All MMOs will launch with it's share of issues and systems not everyone would agree with even if they held off till 2020. The reason MMOs release "unfinished" is because they grow over time--not in a sudden burst. Also the PS3 release requires a lot more fine tuning than the PC version which is also why the sooner the push out the PC version and fix it up the sooner the PS3 version can be released.

Being someone who's poked around in many MMOs and even MUDs every release will feel like things are missing, then come the patches after release and down the line it starts to feel a lot more complete. I think as the younger generation started to grow up the less patient for changes they've become.

I've been having a ton of fun honestly because my only gripes lie with bugs more much than missing an auction house and those bugs are generally stuff that get fixed shortly after release.

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 12:36pm by Jennestia
#8 Sep 29 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
Depends on when they would have released it in 2011. Between GW2 and Star Wars, the release of FF14 could easily have been overlooked.
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#9 Sep 29 2010 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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VlYea I think they should have waited to get some of that stuff implemented.

I'm currently playing and enjoying the beautiful world that they built, I am
Also getting insanely annoyed with the lack of features and bugs.

My concern is for all the players that are going to turn away because of
all of the problems. I can deal for the time being with the confidence that
These things will get fixed, but I am a long time ffxi player and loyal
Square fan. Many of the people who get this game tomorrow wont be,
And probably wont stick it through these unacceptable things that me
And some of you will.
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My first few days I would have said no. But with all DOL/DOH at 10 now I would say yes. Just because so many of the synths call for requirements that are not reasonable to obtain for yourself with the retainer system. When level 7 crafting hammers require a level 21 ingredient from another DOH class you really need a way to get that without having to level it yourself (and then realizing 1/4th of the way in you need a level 21 synth to make that classes' level 7 instrument)

I've ended up with all DOL/DOH classes and the 2 mage classes at 10 now and am still sporting level 1 gear because I cant find anything. I have like 300k gil and cant progress, not for lack of funds, but for lack of ingredients. Sorry, not spending 10 hours collecting ingredients to make a level 7 hempen body that I'll out level in an hour.

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Better to get things sorted than to rush out the gate and fall flat on your face.

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Well seeing as they're using the PC release as a paid beta test for the PS3 release, they wouldn't want them to be released at the same time. Right now they're getting paid by their testers to test their work for them, instead of the other way around... you know when companies actually pay people to test games for them?

This way, when the PS3 version is released hopefully they'll have a much better game then the current form, by using your money to do so. Sure you'll be higher level then everyone at PS3 launch, but everyone knows the majority of MMO's have horrible end-game content, racing to a higher level will only get you bored quicker.

From reading up on what's changed since Open Beta i'm not satisfied with how much has been changed since the CE release. Until this game is in better shape I'll just wait and play something else. For the addicts who enjoy paying to test a horribly incomplete game, have fun, but I'll be having fun elsewhere till it's in better shape.

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 1:16pm by Nokturnal
#13 Sep 29 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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How many years passed between FF12 and FF13....

and FF13 is arguably one of the worst FF games.

No, they shouldn't have waited. Time doesn't necessarily mean quality.
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#14 Sep 29 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think the game is about 3 months too soon for release.
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#15 Sep 29 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think they should have waited. The game clearly needs more work done to it. It's just an incomplete product right now and I wouldn't recommend anyone pick this game up right now.

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 1:30pm by jakarai
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#16 Sep 29 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Catrim wrote:
How many years passed between FF12 and FF13....

and FF13 is arguably one of the worst FF games.

No, they shouldn't have waited. Time doesn't necessarily mean quality.


I find FFVII worse than XIII, all XIII did was make it apparent how on rails a FF storyline actually is for awhile. Really think about every FF you've played and how there's invisible plot walls even if you can explore the whole world the second you stepped out of a city.

Heck XIII gave birth to one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in a FF game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV1ilRlYmgE

But different subject for a different topic~

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 1:53pm by Jennestia
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I PT members on map


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#18 Sep 29 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Of course not. It's playable now and I'm having fun. Individually, you have the option to not play until 2011... or 2012, or whenver the **** you want.

SE probably need to get some revenue coming in to they puhed it out sooner than later. I would guess that of the total number of subscribers over the course of the lifetime of this game, than only a tiny percentage of them are currently playing. So overall its not hurting them. I mean, realistically, they aren't going to lose too many subscirbers because the launch back in September of 2010 was buggy.

****, I played ffxi for 5 years and only knew two people that had actually played from launch.

#19 Sep 29 2010 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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The impatient babies here should wait until 2011 while the rest of us enjoy this game in peace. I'll get rated down for this and that's fine with me because it needs to be said.
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#20 Sep 29 2010 at 11:59 AM Rating: Default
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How about all the QQers and haters wait until 2011 while the rest of us who lovethe game play?
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Unfortunately is clear to everyone that FFXIV had too many issues for the CE launch.
If you ask me if I think they rushed the release of the game for September, yes they did. The beta test should have been longer than only 3 weeks. 6 weeks maybe…. it would give them more time to listen the feedback from the players and time to implement those changes needed.
September launch was too early, special because it looks like we are still playing the Beta version. If they had listened a little more the feedback from Beta players, the game would maybe be good to be launched on the end of October or November.
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#22thehellfire, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 12:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What issues? The on ly ones complaining are the ones who wanted another wow clone. The game isnt easymode or casual.
#23 Sep 29 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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I would have been happier with a 2011 release, but SE's P&L sheets wont agree.
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#24 Sep 29 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Until 2011? No I would have preferred if they had waiting until the game was more polished and had a better overall quality. No matter how long it took them. Of course that doesn't mean I'm not going to play. Since the game is already released I see no reason to put off playing it.

That being said I could have waited until 2011 if that's when they had decided to bring it out. Who knows, I probably would have been happier if it meant a more complete game on release. But it was released when it was released and I'm gonna play it, simple as that.

Whether or not I continue to play though will depend largely on the effort SE puts in over the next few months to hammer out the issues that exist.
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#25 Sep 29 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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Jennestia wrote:


Heck XIII gave birth to one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in a FF game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV1ilRlYmgE




nooo... best song in FFXIII: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTm6Rt-1SXY

... that song reminded me of the epicness that's Xenogears/saga. Too bad FFXIII couldn't decide whether it wanted to be a traditional Final Fantasy, or a 'lite' version of a Xeno game. I think FFXIII's flaw was in that it tried to appeal to a broad audience, and that led to a mediocre story.

I saw what they were touching on with the antagonists' motives, and imo -- they should've went further. The gaming audience isn't dumb, we can handle it.

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 2:13pm by ghosthacked
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Jennestia wrote:
Catrim wrote:
How many years passed between FF12 and FF13....

and FF13 is arguably one of the worst FF games.

No, they shouldn't have waited. Time doesn't necessarily mean quality.


I find FFVII worse than XIII, all XIII did was make it apparent how on rails a FF storyline actually is for awhile. Really think about every FF you've played and how there's invisible plot walls even if you can explore the whole world the second you stepped out of a city.

Heck XIII gave birth to one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in a FF game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV1ilRlYmgE

But different subject for a different topic~

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 1:53pm by Jennestia




Wow, your the first FF lover I have ever seen say he/she didn't like FF 7(which is one of the best).
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Even if they waited until 2011, it would still be in the same condition, because they would not have all of the customer feedback and data that they are getting now. Plus the PS3 release would have been pushed back again. I am assuming that they are determining how to run the game with so little memory. If anything it is good that it is out now, so that we can tell them what is not working, and hopefully they keep listening. 8)
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If anything it is good that it is out now, so that we can tell them what is not working, and hopefully they keep listening. 8)
Yes, but the difference is that we, the players, are paying them to fix these issues. If FFXIV was in beta for a few more weeks, those issues would have, for the most part, been fixed.

And then we would start paying to play a more complete game.

As it is, we're paying SE to fix stuff that shouldn't be broken on release.
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Parsalyn wrote:
Even if they waited until 2011, it would still be in the same condition, because they would not have all of the customer feedback and data that they are getting now. Plus the PS3 release would have been pushed back again. I am assuming that they are determining how to run the game with so little memory. If anything it is good that it is out now, so that we can tell them what is not working, and hopefully they keep listening. 8)

I fully expect a cancellation of the PS3 version, if they have a hard time running it on average Pc's (which are superior to PS3 as it is) how are they going to get it to work on the PS3?
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cancel the ps3 version and fully focus on pc, then it should have a chance to catch up to the MMO juggernaut (WoW)
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cancel the ps3 version and fully focus on pc, then it should have a chance to catch up to the MMO juggernaut (WoW)


That will never, ever happen again. Lightning in a bottle and all that.

Truthfully, the release was scheduled badly. Cataclysm will snatch so much attention away from XIV in the west, as wil The old Republic - regardless of it being any good or not.

A simultaneous PS3 release would have been a real boon for sales and interest. Shame.
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I, personally, am glad they went ahead. I'm having fun with what's there, and I'm looking forward to watching it grow. Whether or not it was good for the *game* I'm not so sure about, because it's made so many people slam the game because it wasn't what they wanted.
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No.

First, SE is a business and as such there would have been considerable pressure to start getting some return on investment. The fees will now start paying for the additional development, and relieve the pressure that the development team has surely been under. This helps the fans, even if it doesn't seem that way.

Second, anyone who is playing FFXIV right now clearly would rather play it in this state than not play at all. If you didn't like it you would stop playing. But you're still playing, aren't you?

After all the "I canceled my CE" rants, the same people are posting about how bad the game is during the CE release week. I'm calling BS on those bluffs.

If you want a more polished game, come back in a year. This is not a joke or a snide comment. It will be more polished in a year.

If you want to play a fledgling FF MMO, with all the hiccups and growing pains that come with the territory, then here it is. Here and now.
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First, SE is a business and as such there would have been considerable pressure to start getting some return on investment.


Correct answer. What we think doesn't matter in the slightest. The company thinks they need to gain revenue as soon as possible and that moment is now. We may not like it, the developers may not like it, but the investors want something for their investment and that's the harsh reality of the situation.

Of course it is clear that the game isn't ready by any means. It's too bad that is irrelevant. It's "good enough" and that will have to do.

A friendly reminder: XI released prematurely, and did fine.
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Not at all, some people have no issues which is why you don't read their hundreds of posts... they're too busy playing.

It's like this in EVERY game forum ever for a new game. the forum is filled with people who dont like it and jsut have to get that opinion known. Everyone you dont hear from is busy playing so it SOUNDS like the majority hates it.
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No. First, SE is a business and as such there would have been considerable pressure to start getting some return on investment. The fees will now start paying for the additional development, and relieve the pressure that the development team has surely been under.


^ This is the absolute truth of the situation.

FFXII and XIII went massivley over schedule. This means, massivley over budget too. It's no secret that there was friction over the delays and financial pressures between the dev teams.

The sooner they get the consistent stream of income that a successful MMO delivers, for them , the better. After the cash cow that XI turned out to be for almost a decade, there was no way they would hold off on XIV any longer than they absolutley had to.

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#37 Sep 29 2010 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
BarberofSeville wrote:
I PT members on map


Blue dots...



The big map. Not the mini map. If your pt is more than one square away you cant see them or how to get to them.
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Yes, i think a later release would have yielded a more quality launch product and a more positive reaction overall.
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BarberofSeville wrote:
PerrinofSylph wrote:
BarberofSeville wrote:
I PT members on map


Blue dots...



The big map. Not the mini map. If your pt is more than one square away you cant see them or how to get to them.


Ahhh didn't know that, I'd not been in a situation where my PT members weren't close by.
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No definitely not and here's why. Most of the current issues that are frustrating and annoying players are design *choices* , not technical bugs. Yes, there is lag but a lot of issues with lag can't be dealt with realistically until the game is actually released to the full population.

These current hot-topic issues would in all likelihood still be there even if they waited until 2011, because these were *choices* by SE, these are not in-game "bugs":

1) No AH , retainer system only
2) Overly complicated menu nesting system
3) Current party seek/chat system

Stuff like lack of a sorting function for your inventory might have been addressed given more time, but I still can't fathom how something as simple/basic as sorting failed to make it in this game after all these years of development, alpha-testing, beta-testing ....

I also think the current design of the game is trying to hard to ram the "you must craft" philosophy down players' throats. There is very little gear you can buy from NPCs currently, and the stuff you can is usually greatly overpriced. There are a lot of players who don't enjoy crafting, and they shouldn't have to in order to fully enjoy the game. If you decide not to craft, you'll probably have to spend several hours of your time searching through maybe hundreds of bazaars/retainers until you find what you want - and even when you find it, you may have no frame of reference to know if the price is fair or if you're being ripped off. Once again, this current setup is a design decision and not some accidental bug - it would still be there if this game was released in 2011.

The reason I'm glad the game is out now is because the process to fix/alleviate these current issues can hopefully start *now* . If this game came out in 2011, all these issues would most likely still be there and the start of the process to fix them would have been delayed as well. I'm honestly hoping that the Japanese game magazines completely rip this game apart in their reviews - maybe that will motivate SE to start taking action quickly.
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No I don’t think they should have waited till 2011 cause in all honesty, after dealing with AoC, Warhammer, and Aoin, I’ve been needing an MMO that can keep my attention. I just wish they would have released the PC and PS versions at the same time

This way I could have only spent 300 bucks on a PS3 instead of 1400 on a new PC. Doesn't SE know that we are in a recession?!

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No I don’t think they should have waited till 2011 cause in all honesty, after dealing with AoC, Warhammer, and Aoin, I’ve been needing an MMO that can keep my attention. I just wish they would have released the PC and PS versions at the same time

This way I could have only spent 300 bucks on a PS3 instead of 1400 on a new PC. Doesn't SE know that we are in a recession?!

*Bluez shakes her fist at SE*


Lol, I thought they were stimulating the economy by doing this. . .
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#43 Sep 29 2010 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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yes they should have wait!!

I die a little inside everytime i have to search something in ward and i dont believe anyone that
will say they find what they are looking for instantly. I will keep playing but there alot of thing
that need a fast tweak. I'm not and will never enjoy searching something in ward for 2-3hrs without
any garanty to find what i'm looking for. I can live with most of the bug, the slowest UI ever but No
AH will definatly push out people from that game. Old FFXI players will stay but not a chance to keep
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No, but if i have to wait. Please release this @ 2552.
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Nope, with good reason.
Square Enix would never be able to predict how the mass market was gonna respond to the the game. Beta testers are only a small portion of popular opinion. They never could have judged server load and made the correct changes. They never would have known the Retainer system wasn't usable in its current state. They never would have been able to predict many many things which are set to be heading our way in the near future.

All this is to come, maybe even before 2011. Had they released it in 2011? The game might have been a little more smoother UI wise, but progress on systems and mechanics would have been minimal to say the least.
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Yes, they should have waited until March 2011 and done a simultaneous PC and PS3 release.

It's quite evident from the healing exploit that the game wasn't ready and wasn't play tested nearly enough for release (Not to mention the multitude of other issues).

I would rather play a more polished game then waste my time dealing with bugs/glitches or design flaws on a game released too early.

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Not really, at least for my own personal tastes. I'm perfectly happy playing "Retail Beta" while they work out some of the issues with the game. As long as my progress is still valid, the lack of polish is bearable to me. In a theoretical scenario, on Jan. 1, 2011 when some issues have been fixed and the game is more streamlined... If it's easier for me to progress than it was in 2010, I wouldn't really feel the need to argue that I wish they would have waited so that I wouldn't have had to progress the "hard way." I'd be happy just to have the progress I've already made, knowing the progress from that point on would be that much easier.

To me, it's sort of like when SE lowered the EXP requirements for leveling in FFXI. People were complaining so hard that it was unfair that post-update players starting new from level 1 had a lot less work to do before they hit 75. I never understood that. To me it was like: "So what? You still have your level 75 job and are capable of doing level 75 content. Would you really rather give that up to start over at level 1 with an easier ride to 75? PS. You'll reap the benefits yourself the next time you level a job to 75." Not a perfect comparison, I'm sure, but my point is that I like having the option to make progress even if it's not an ideal environment for it.
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#49zoltanrs, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 3:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No I'm glad it is out. People who can't stand it are encouraged by me to lay low until 2011 tho. I feel it will reduce congestion. The only thing worse than people being the problem is the same people complaining about it. I move that the whiners pretend that the game hasn't come out yet and move on.
#50thehellfire, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 4:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Im glad its out, there was no need to delay it, as pcs arent as crappy as consoles. Im waiting for the qq storm when the ps3 version gets canned.
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I wish they'd waited. Maybe then I'd have a PC that was decent enough to run it at full specs.
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