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#1 Sep 30 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Let me preface this by saying that this is not a thread complaining about slow SP gain. This is an actual bug that I've encountered numerous times.

I'm sure you have all noticed that sometimes when you are in a party you will gain SP throughout the fight but it doesn't show the total at the end. I initially thought that this was just an issue with the text not being displayed, but after watching my SP-bar in the main menu I can 100% say that sometimes I do not receive this SP.

Example:
Starting with 5000 SP before a fight.
Our party engages
Throughout the fight I gain 50, 60, 30, 70 Axe Skill points. Those show up in the chat log as a I earn them.
At the end of the fight it tells me the XP I get (something measly like 80) but does NOT show my SP total.
Check my SP bar, it is still at 5000.

This doesn't happen all the time, and some party members mentioned that they too do not receive the SP total all the time, but they DO receive the SP. As such, it has been difficult to really narrow down the cause of this bug.

I have reported this to SE, but its hard to tell if they will do anything about it.

Has anyone noticed anything similar? Next time this happens I will try to get screenshots.

Edited, Sep 30th 2010 11:42am by Sigmakan

Edited, Sep 30th 2010 11:43am by Sigmakan
#2 Sep 30 2010 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Sigmakan wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that this is not a thread complaining about slow SP gain. This is an actual bug that I've encountered numerous times.

I'm sure you have all noticed that sometimes when you are in a party you will gain SP throughout the fight but it doesn't show the total at the end. I initially thought that this was just an issue with the text not being displayed, but after watching my SP-bar in the main menu I can 100% say that sometimes I do not receive this SP.

Example:
Starting with 5000 SP before a fight.
Our party engages
Throughout the fight I gain 50, 60, 30, 70 Axe Skill points. Those show up in the chat log as a I earn them.
At the end of the fight it tells me the XP I get (something measly like 80) but does NOT show my SP total.
Check my SP bar, it is still at 5000.

This doesn't happen all the time, and some party members mentioned that they too do not receive the SP total all the time, but they DO receive the SP. As such, it has been difficult to really narrow down the cause of this bug.

I have reported this to SE, but its hard to tell if they will do anything about it.

Has anyone noticed anything similar? Next time this happens I will try to get screenshots.

if the enemy flees or resets at any point the SP gained before that occurs is zeroed out. Only sp gained after the flee/reset counts.
#3 Sep 30 2010 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
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I have noticed that the game's total of my SP has been lagging behind what I have been adding it up to be, and I don't see the SP totals all the time after fights. My SP used to gain closely with my XP, and I will even up to 11GLD/11Physical, after the patch I am now 11GLD/13Physical.
I essentially gained a full physical level and a half without getting close to half of a rank. I wouldn't think anything of it if I hadn't leveled and ranked nearly simultaneously up to that point and now seen that others are having similar problems.
#4 Sep 30 2010 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
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SudoNemesis wrote:

if the enemy flees or resets at any point the SP gained before that occurs is zeroed out. Only sp gained after the flee/reset counts.


I have noticed that bug, but that was not the case here. We were grinding Aldgoat Nannies.
#5 Sep 30 2010 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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alexonfyre wrote:
I have noticed that the game's total of my SP has been lagging behind what I have been adding it up to be, and I don't see the SP totals all the time after fights. My SP used to gain closely with my XP, and I will even up to 11GLD/11Physical, after the patch I am now 11GLD/13Physical.
I essentially gained a full physical level and a half without getting close to half of a rank. I wouldn't think anything of it if I hadn't leveled and ranked nearly simultaneously up to that point and now seen that others are having similar problems.


Just out of curiosity, do you have Garlond Goggles? I've heard the SP bonus they give stops after level 10. During the CE early access, my Physical level always was ahead of my PUG rank, even before I started switching to other jobs (somewhere to the tune of PUG3/Phys5)

Also for note: When it tells you that you gain skill during a fight, you don't actually get that skill until the mob is dead. The number listed when you kill the mob is the total gained during the fight. I'd suggest if you're getting skillups in the fight and not getting a "Total" line at the end, open the chatlog to show the entire fight, SS it, and sumbit it to SE with a bug report (I assume you can send attachments, or just tell them "I have a SS of the chat log if needed").
#6 Sep 30 2010 at 8:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Yea I sent a bug report to SE. I just wanted people to be aware of this so they are also checking to see if it happens to them.
#7 Sep 30 2010 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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alexonfyre wrote:
I have noticed that the game's total of my SP has been lagging behind what I have been adding it up to be, and I don't see the SP totals all the time after fights. My SP used to gain closely with my XP, and I will even up to 11GLD/11Physical, after the patch I am now 11GLD/13Physical.
I essentially gained a full physical level and a half without getting close to half of a rank. I wouldn't think anything of it if I hadn't leveled and ranked nearly simultaneously up to that point and now seen that others are having similar problems.


They're two separate things. Your Skill Points towards your class rank are based on your current Rank vs. the Mob lvl. Your Physical Level isn't going to earn experience points at the same rate as your Class Rank all the time, because at some point, your going to get diminishing returns on Skill Points because you've skilled up sufficiently to lower the amount of skill points you can obtain by this method.

For example, you can still get experience points from a mob and "not" get skill points, and vice versa. If you just equipped a new weapon and lower your Class Rank, you could stop getting Physical experience points (because you out-level the mob), but still get skill points in that class.
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#8 Sep 30 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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This indeed happens. We tested this with a group of 3 people. Me (conjurer) and 2 pugilist friends. The bug won't trigger unless the group is 3 man or above. A duo can't trigger this bug. We tested it for more than 6 hours and we seem to have found out what triggers it. If the pugilists are hitting the mob with all they got, and all i do is heal then we all get skill-ups. If i throw in one single nuke or dart then one random guy from the group wont get any skill-ups even though the chatlog says hes had several during the fight. So we figured that if 3 or more people are hitting the same mob then some guy won't get anything from the fight. So we continued with me just spamming heals and nothing else and we were all getting 300-500 skillups every fight. But i won't be a heal bot pressing one button so if SE don't fix this soon then i'll just craft till they do.

We then encountered a 5 man party killing crabs like us and we asked them if this was happening to them and they said yes. So for a party orientated game this is a somewhat serious bug and i'm baffled no one in their in-house testing team has noticed this.

As i said we tested this for more than six hours, kept records of everyones skill points before battle, checked all logs, added the numbers and we got the same result every time. So for the time being all i could do was heal otherwise someone wouldn't get skill-ups. And it's not like this bug happens sometimes, no it happens every time!

So the OP is definatly right about this.
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#9 Sep 30 2010 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Gastaff wrote:
This indeed happens. We tested this with a group of 3 people. Me (conjurer) and 2 pugilist friends. The bug won't trigger unless the group is 3 man or above. A duo can't trigger this bug. We tested it for more than 6 hours and we seem to have found out what triggers it. If the pugilists are hitting the mob with all they got, and all i do is heal then we all get skill-ups. If i throw in one single nuke or dart then one random guy from the group wont get any skill-ups even though the chatlog says hes had several during the fight. So we figured that if 3 or more people are hitting the same mob then some guy won't get anything from the fight. So we continued with me just spamming heals and nothing else and we were all getting 300-500 skillups every fight. But i won't be a heal bot pressing one button so if SE don't fix this soon then i'll just craft till they do.

We then encountered a 5 man party killing crabs like us and we asked them if this was happening to them and they said yes. So for a party orientated game this is a somewhat serious bug and i'm baffled no one in their in-house testing team has noticed this.

As i said we tested this for more than six hours, kept records of everyones skill points before battle, checked all logs, added the numbers and we got the same result every time. So for the time being all i could do was heal otherwise someone wouldn't get skill-ups. And it's not like this bug happens sometimes, no it happens every time!

So the OP is definatly right about this.


Were you using AoE attacks? I have a suspicion that it is related to AoE attacks, but zero proof to back it up.
#10 Sep 30 2010 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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Gastaff wrote:
This indeed happens. We tested this with a group of 3 people. Me (conjurer) and 2 pugilist friends. The bug won't trigger unless the group is 3 man or above. A duo can't trigger this bug. We tested it for more than 6 hours and we seem to have found out what triggers it. If the pugilists are hitting the mob with all they got, and all i do is heal then we all get skill-ups. If i throw in one single nuke or dart then one random guy from the group wont get any skill-ups even though the chatlog says hes had several during the fight. So we figured that if 3 or more people are hitting the same mob then some guy won't get anything from the fight. So we continued with me just spamming heals and nothing else and we were all getting 300-500 skillups every fight. But i won't be a heal bot pressing one button so if SE don't fix this soon then i'll just craft till they do.

We then encountered a 5 man party killing crabs like us and we asked them if this was happening to them and they said yes. So for a party orientated game this is a somewhat serious bug and i'm baffled no one in their in-house testing team has noticed this.

As i said we tested this for more than six hours, kept records of everyones skill points before battle, checked all logs, added the numbers and we got the same result every time. So for the time being all i could do was heal otherwise someone wouldn't get skill-ups. And it's not like this bug happens sometimes, no it happens every time!

So the OP is definatly right about this.


Just out of curiosity, why are you sure it can't happen in a duo? I'm worried because my gf and I duo, and she plays a THM/CON going back and forth between healing and nuking as required.
#11 Sep 30 2010 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Gastaff wrote:
This indeed happens. We tested this with a group of 3 people. Me (conjurer) and 2 pugilist friends. The bug won't trigger unless the group is 3 man or above. A duo can't trigger this bug. We tested it for more than 6 hours and we seem to have found out what triggers it. If the pugilists are hitting the mob with all they got, and all i do is heal then we all get skill-ups. If i throw in one single nuke or dart then one random guy from the group wont get any skill-ups even though the chatlog says hes had several during the fight. So we figured that if 3 or more people are hitting the same mob then some guy won't get anything from the fight. So we continued with me just spamming heals and nothing else and we were all getting 300-500 skillups every fight. But i won't be a heal bot pressing one button so if SE don't fix this soon then i'll just craft till they do.

We then encountered a 5 man party killing crabs like us and we asked them if this was happening to them and they said yes. So for a party orientated game this is a somewhat serious bug and i'm baffled no one in their in-house testing team has noticed this.

As i said we tested this for more than six hours, kept records of everyones skill points before battle, checked all logs, added the numbers and we got the same result every time. So for the time being all i could do was heal otherwise someone wouldn't get skill-ups. And it's not like this bug happens sometimes, no it happens every time!

So the OP is definatly right about this.


This is some quality bug testing, thank you. I hope you send a report to SE so they can fix this.
#12 Sep 30 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Gastaff wrote:
This indeed happens. We tested this with a group of 3 people. Me (conjurer) and 2 pugilist friends. The bug won't trigger unless the group is 3 man or above. A duo can't trigger this bug. We tested it for more than 6 hours and we seem to have found out what triggers it. If the pugilists are hitting the mob with all they got, and all i do is heal then we all get skill-ups. If i throw in one single nuke or dart then one random guy from the group wont get any skill-ups even though the chatlog says hes had several during the fight. So we figured that if 3 or more people are hitting the same mob then some guy won't get anything from the fight. So we continued with me just spamming heals and nothing else and we were all getting 300-500 skillups every fight. But i won't be a heal bot pressing one button so if SE don't fix this soon then i'll just craft till they do.

We then encountered a 5 man party killing crabs like us and we asked them if this was happening to them and they said yes. So for a party orientated game this is a somewhat serious bug and i'm baffled no one in their in-house testing team has noticed this.

As i said we tested this for more than six hours, kept records of everyones skill points before battle, checked all logs, added the numbers and we got the same result every time. So for the time being all i could do was heal otherwise someone wouldn't get skill-ups. And it's not like this bug happens sometimes, no it happens every time!

So the OP is definatly right about this.


This bug has been ongoing since at least the early betas IIRC, and has actually had a lot of traffic both on the old official beta forums and now fansites like this. SE doesn't seem to care.
#13 Sep 30 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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This is definitly a problem. I have encountered this a few times and its starting to become annyoing.
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