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#1 Oct 01 2010 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello, Zamians. (Zamans? Zam-folk? Eh.)

I'm looking at some Dell products, hoping to get FFXIV running, since I came into some cash finally to purchase a computer capable. The one that seems most able for my wallet, and needs would be the XPS 8100. Would anyone agree or disagree?

Thanks in advance for the advice, and apologies if I've left out any details needed.
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#2 Oct 01 2010 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Zyran wrote:
Hello, Zamians. (Zamans? Zam-folk? Eh.)
Allatards?

Zyran wrote:
I'm looking at some Dell products, hoping to get FFXIV running, since I came into some cash finally to purchase a computer capable. The one that seems most able for my wallet, and needs would be the XPS 8100. Would anyone agree or disagree?

Thanks in advance for the advice, and apologies if I've left out any details needed.
How much is it? What is your budget? How did you customize it?

I'd not recommend buying from Dell.
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#3 Oct 01 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Dell hasn't necessarily done me any harm in the past, and the payment method is the most I can go for at the moment. Getting it for about a thousand, which considering there's a deal goin' on, is a couple hundred less. Current computer's been around for a couple years, and since it couldn't even start the benchmark, I'm eager to find something new.
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#4 Oct 01 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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I have a Dell Studio XPS 16 laptop for FFXIV and it works great.

i7/ATI5750/8GB RAM - 1280x720 all setting on high, no DoF or OC tho.

Still very smooth... got the machine for about $1400.

It'll tide me over until I'm finished building my 1090T desktop...
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#5 Oct 01 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Zyran wrote:
Dell hasn't necessarily done me any harm in the past, and the payment method is the most I can go for at the moment. Getting it for about a thousand, which considering there's a deal goin' on, is a couple hundred less. Current computer's been around for a couple years, and since it couldn't even start the benchmark, I'm eager to find something new.
...so what are you customizing on it? What processor, ram, hd, gpu, etc.
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#6 Oct 01 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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What do you have against Dell, bsphil?
#7 Oct 01 2010 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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What do you have against Dell, bsphil?
Overpriced, bad support, quality of the company has gone down severely in the last decade. Apparently not many people remember back when Dell was willfully selling faulty OptiPlex systems, and even knowingly replacing the faulty systems with other faulty systems.

Our family has owned 4 Dell desktops and 2 Dell laptops, for sake of disclosure.
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#8 Oct 01 2010 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Eliminex wrote:
What do you have against Dell, bsphil?


This has been discussed at length in the past. Read through that thread and you'll understand why buying prefabs is ill advised for a gaming machine.

To the OP: Whether or not your system will run it depends on what pieces you're getting. What CPU? What GPU? Also, you should know that Studip XPS systems have 350-425W PSUs which are on the low end for the types of GPU you might want (I wouldn't advise buying anything lower than a 5770, and I wouldn't advise a 5770 on anything less than a 500-550W).

Short version: Unless you have a 20% discount just for buying through Dell, you're paying them 15-25% more than what the parts are actually worth with a warranty that is voided if you try to overclock anything or tinker with stuff. They also tend to include cheaper power supplies and RAM to offset the costs of the system.

For gaming, here's what you want, and in this order:

- A really good GPU
- A really good CPU
- A decent amount of RAM

Here is what prefabs try to sell you, unless you pay extra to customize it:

- A HD way bigger than you'll ever need
- Mediocre off-brand RAM, usually way more than you'll need
- A low end PSU
- A decent CPU
- A low end GPU

Read over the thread I linked; there are specific examples cited point by point where comparisons between what Dell offers at a given price point, and what it's REALLY worth versus what they're charging, and what you COULD be buying for the same price. And while I do tell people to build systems themselves, you don't -have- to build it yourself to save money; there are companies out there who will give you more customization options than Dell/HP/Gateway/etc will, and will charge you a far smaller "build markup" with the same or better warranty and service because you aren't paying for the "Name Brand".

I strongly advise reading through that thread I linked (don't bump it though; old thread is old) before making a purchasing decision.

Edited, Oct 1st 2010 5:56pm by Mikhalia
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#9 Oct 01 2010 at 4:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah! Sorry about the lack of listing.

Processor is an Intel® Core™ i5-750 processor(8MB Cache, 2.66GHz), runs Windows 7 as an OS
Memory: 6GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
Hard Drive: 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 5450 1GB DDR3
And comes with a 23" monitor.

I'm not fantastic at this stuff, I know. Still trying to learn all the lingo and whatnot. There's not a lot I can list outside of what's on the site just out of knowing all the different roots of cards and drives.

Edit: It's true, I should try to avoid getting store-bought computers. But as long as I can run it, and it can tide me over for the time being, I don't necessarily need super high end. I know I'm going from one extreme to the other, but I guess I'm neurotic about things like computer details. (Ironic, since I suck at this, heh.)

Edited, Oct 1st 2010 6:15pm by Zyran
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#10 Oct 01 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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That GPU will not even have a chance to play the game. At the very least you will need to upgrade it to a 5770.

The rest looks OK, even if you are being severely overcharged by Dell.
#11 Oct 01 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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Zyran wrote:
Ah! Sorry about the lack of listing.

Processor is an Intel® Core™ i5-750 processor(8MB Cache, 2.66GHz), runs Windows 7 as an OS
Memory: 6GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
Hard Drive: 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 5450 1GB DDR3
And comes with a 23" monitor.

I'm not fantastic at this stuff, I know. Still trying to learn all the lingo and whatnot. There's not a lot I can list outside of what's on the site just out of knowing all the different roots of cards and drives.

Edit: It's true, I should try to avoid getting store-bought computers. But as long as I can run it, and it can tide me over for the time being, I don't necessarily need super high end. I know I'm going from one extreme to the other, but I guess I'm neurotic about things like computer details. (Ironic, since I suck at this, heh.)

Edited, Oct 1st 2010 6:15pm by Zyran


CPU is good. RAM is probably more than you need. HD as well (although I dunno how much **** "movies and pictures" you plan to store on there so I can't guess what you would actually use). Monitor sounds nice. GPU is abysmal though. If you can afford it, get a 5830/5850 or better, but definitely don't go any lower than a 5770.

Think about it: You're buying a new computer. You don't want it to perform like an old computer and have parts that need to be replaced before you even open the box, right?

EDIT: to clarify, having more RAM and HD space than you will use is not a problem per se; I just figured I'd point out that it isn't worth adding more RAM or HD space on top of it. If you can upgrade the RAM to DDR3 1600 or 1800 instead of DDR3 1333, you might want to consider doing so, but a good GPU should be infinitely more important. The i5-750 is a pretty solid CPU though.

Edited, Oct 1st 2010 8:08pm by Mikhalia
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#12 Oct 01 2010 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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little tip; Google for Dell Vouchers :P
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