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#1 Oct 01 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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On Besaid, I'm seeing people standing in front of the city gates. They are buying 200 crystals for 200 gil. To someone new, careless, whatever, they might think they're getting 200 gil each, only to find out that they just lost 200 crystals for practically nothing.

I know I'm going to get a comment like, "if someone wants to be that stupid, let 'em, they'll learn" but really, I hate people who prey on others. So if I can get one person to not fall for this, then this is worth it to me.

Please be careful and double-check what you are buying/selling in people's Bazaars.

Edited, Oct 1st 2010 7:01pm by Shassa
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#2 Oct 01 2010 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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Actually this is a generally good rule of thumb no matter what you're buying, where you're buying it, or how long you've been playing. Good advice all around.
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#3 Oct 01 2010 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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I was tripped up by this recently. I saw someone buying 100 lightning crystals for 5000 and I thought it was "each". I was about to hop on it when I realized it was 100 for a total of 5000. Bad deal. Good thing I caught myself.


Edited, Oct 1st 2010 7:07pm by Castrophany
#4 Oct 01 2010 at 5:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Shassa wrote:
Posting from your recently emptied pockets.


A bit out of character there, Shassa...

Yeah, the bazaar screen was really confusing at the start for me. It almost looks like you can set a stack price AND a single item price. Is this possible? If not; which one takes precedence?
#5 Oct 01 2010 at 5:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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RayneZ wrote:
Shassa wrote:
Posting from your recently emptied pockets.


A bit out of character there, Shassa...


Haha, good point. Rate up.

That's a leftover from my FFXI days!
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#6 Oct 01 2010 at 5:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just got the game today - I'll admit I haven't looked at bazaars yet, but thankyou for the information. It's not something I'd have known from checking.

The lack of an a/h makes it virtually impossible for me to judge roughly how much things are worth right now.

So... crystals are valuable, eh?
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#7 Oct 01 2010 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
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Lol, it sounds that way doesn't it? But actually gil is super easy to come by so 1-2k isn't really much money. I suck HORRIBLY at making gil and even I have over 200,000 atm.
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#8 Oct 02 2010 at 3:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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SickleSageKiroh wrote:
Lol, it sounds that way doesn't it? But actually gil is super easy to come by so 1-2k isn't really much money. I suck HORRIBLY at making gil and even I have over 200,000 atm.


So basically the economy is in a ridiculous state of inflation at the moment then?

Wonderful. I hope SE are working on it :)
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#9 Oct 02 2010 at 3:26 AM Rating: Decent
Likibiki wrote:
SickleSageKiroh wrote:
Lol, it sounds that way doesn't it? But actually gil is super easy to come by so 1-2k isn't really much money. I suck HORRIBLY at making gil and even I have over 200,000 atm.


So basically the economy is in a ridiculous state of inflation at the moment then?

Wonderful. I hope SE are working on it :)


SE doesn't need to work on it. The players do. It's a player driven economy and only a relatively small handful of players are taking part in it right now. The people who just want to fight and kill and gear up are making the people who take a more rounded approach to developing their characters very wealthy and when the economy stabilizes, the wealthy will stay wealthy.
#10 Oct 02 2010 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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Shassa wrote:
On Besaid, I'm seeing people standing in front of the city gates. They are buying 200 crystals for 200 gil. To someone new, careless, whatever, they might think they're getting 200 gil each, only to find out that they just lost 200 crystals for practically nothing.


Besaid players beware~!


I believe this is an in-game scam.. I was on Besaid during the open beta and there was always some guy "seeking" 499 shards for 150 gil.. To be honest, I have no doubt it's the same guy.. There was also a retainer in the Besaid wards that was "seeking" 499 shards of each type offering 150 gil for them.. No doubt it's this guy's retainer..

Deserves "douche of the year" award. I got burned bad by this in Open Beta, lost several hundred wind shards and got back a couple hundred gil for them..

IMO, it's clearly intentional.

We should collect character names of people who do this and put it into a "Hall of Shame" thread or something...


Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 7:00am by Sidicas
#11 Oct 02 2010 at 4:59 AM Rating: Good
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I almost got hit with this on Kashuan; someone was buying 50 lightning shard for 1k; luckily I only had 37 and it won't let you make the deal unless you have the full amount they're seeking, which tipped me off to the scam.

RayneZ wrote:
Shassa wrote:
Posting from your recently emptied pockets.


A bit out of character there, Shassa...

Yeah, the bazaar screen was really confusing at the start for me. It almost looks like you can set a stack price AND a single item price. Is this possible? If not; which one takes precedence?


For selling, you can set either a unit price, which is price per item, or a set price, which is price per group.

For buying (seeking), you can only set a price per group. If someone is seeking 500 shards, you need all 500 to sell to them (which kinda sucks, I'd love to be able to buy 500 shards by getting 30 from player A, 40 from B, so on).
#12 Oct 02 2010 at 5:04 AM Rating: Good
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Likibiki wrote:
I just got the game today - I'll admit I haven't looked at bazaars yet, but thankyou for the information. It's not something I'd have known from checking.

The lack of an a/h makes it virtually impossible for me to judge roughly how much things are worth right now.

So... crystals are valuable, eh?


Crystals, I wouldn't sell for any less than 1250 until you're SURE you're not going to need them for crafting..
A good sell price for shards is 100 gil a piece..
I sold all my fire crystals for 1000 gil a piece and then later realized I needed them for crafting myself.. (homer simpson *doh*).


Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 7:05am by Sidicas
#13 Oct 02 2010 at 6:13 AM Rating: Good
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I actually fell for this during the beta. I hadn't finished the first storyline quest and was strapped for cash. 200g for each Earth Shard really seemed like a fantastic deal, and since I wasn't crafting I had little use for them...

I've only played one other MMO(heavily) that had a Seeking portion of Bazaar, and it went by Unit price instead of group. Though I obviously figured out that I did not have 80k(400 shards) after the purchase and realized I had been ripped off, this post is a great warning for others who aren't used to this specific part of the bazaar system.

In a way, I can't blame people for trying to get shards at this sort of price. There's a sucker born every minute etc. But, still feels like a **** move to me. You can get ahead without intentionally ******** over others.

No one "deserves" to be tricked out of their items, and no one is "just asking for it" either. Game may be pretty realistic in a lot of different areas, but this doesn't need to be one of them.
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I blame SE for this though. The system is too complicated. I finally opened a retainer because my inventory is just too full, and I cannot believe the level of complexity just selling a freaking item has.

If the system was more straightforward, people wouldn't make mistakes like that and they wouldn't get ripped off. As the system is right now, there is no meaningful explanation of how to sell an item. The whole thing is just... Bad.
#15 Oct 02 2010 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good
Sidicas wrote:
Likibiki wrote:
I just got the game today - I'll admit I haven't looked at bazaars yet, but thankyou for the information. It's not something I'd have known from checking.

The lack of an a/h makes it virtually impossible for me to judge roughly how much things are worth right now.

So... crystals are valuable, eh?


Crystals, I wouldn't sell for any less than 1250 until you're SURE you're not going to need them for crafting..
A good sell price for shards is 100 gil a piece..
I sold all my fire crystals for 1000 gil a piece and then later realized I needed them for crafting myself.. (homer simpson *doh*).


Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 7:05am by Sidicas


This, my god this. You sell shards for around 100g a pop and people will buy them, christ I will buy up your stock. As a serious crafter, I'm burning through crystals and shards like you wouldn't believe.
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#17 Oct 02 2010 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent
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On Besaid, there's a Miqo'te out in front of Limsa Lominsa doing this right now. Name is Sera Fuma and is wearing a bandit mask, appropriately enough.

I just reported his ***. I said that I understand that "buyer beware" always applies, and I would understand if victims weren't compensated, but that preying on a new player base that is already having to deal with a confusing interface is unacceptable behavior and should not be tolerated.

We'll see what happens.
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#18 Oct 02 2010 at 7:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I feel this is just as bad as griefing or using exploits. You are taking advantage of players and its as close to stealing as you can get. I'd LOVE to see SE start giving out suspensions to some of the jerks that are doing this, but I know that probably won't happen.
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#19 Oct 02 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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ok you guys who lost items or gill because of this it's your fault. Ya i said it, your fault. Come on before you buy or sell it asks you are you sure you want to buy/sell item for this much? you hit yes, well your fault. Stop being such a button smasher and read whats going on.
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#20 Oct 02 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Im sorry but this is not as bad as people are making it out to be. The guy buying a ton of shards at 150gil? yeah hes a **** just about like the guy on XI who sells silver imperial coins at the warp taru for 1mil instead of 1k. But to the people selling like 100 shards to a dude for 2k then thinking they got ripped off? Sorry not quite. He wants to buy in bulk and thats what he is offering... plain and simple. If you dont read, its your fault srsly.
#21 Oct 02 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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Likibiki wrote:
SickleSageKiroh wrote:
Lol, it sounds that way doesn't it? But actually gil is super easy to come by so 1-2k isn't really much money. I suck HORRIBLY at making gil and even I have over 200,000 atm.


So basically the economy is in a ridiculous state of inflation at the moment then?

Wonderful. I hope SE are working on it :)


What the ****? How is it possible that you think you have determine what is or isn't a lot of gil after 1 week? Inflation? Based on what? You think gil is easy to come by? What if Bronze Daggers settle in at 200k each? Is gil easy to come by anymore? What if crystals stabilize at 10k each? If everyone is walking around with 200-800k gil right now, then prices will trend upward until things stabilize, and you won't feel rich after making 40k on a few Levequests. Quit basing your comments on the FFXI economy. The value of a gil will not be the same in this game, nor was that ever the goal.

You blame SE but what do you want them to do? Make levequests reward 200 gil each? Fine, then prices will plummet and you still will have the exact same buying power. It's the sellers that have to figure out the price point. If their sh*t aint selling then they will lower the prices, if its flying off the shelves then they will bump prices.

All that "nice" gear you see in bazaars for 60-150k you think is ridiculously priced... well, people are starting to buy it because its only taking them a few days to earn that much gil. Its not inflation. Its a brand spanking new economy rapidly stabilizing and gil and items begin to get injected and circulated into the system.



Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 4:27pm by Mithsavvy

Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 4:27pm by Mithsavvy
#22 Oct 02 2010 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
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Frebaut wrote:
ok you guys who lost items or gill because of this it's your fault. Ya i said it, your fault. Come on before you buy or sell it asks you are you sure you want to buy/sell item for this much? you hit yes, well your fault. Stop being such a button smasher and read whats going on.


'Erm, no... Has nothing to do with being a button masher... These two things are COMPLETELY different
"Seeking FireShard 499 Offering 60 gil"
"Selling FireShard 499 Price 60 gil"

Completely different but look *identical*. One means you lose 499 shards and get 60 gil TOTAL. The other means that you can buy 499 shards at 60 gil each (29,940 gil for all 499). It makes no sense for Bazaars to work this way and the window that pops up when answering a "seeking" still doesn't make it clear that you're giving 499 shards for 60gil. The "selling" brings up a selection that let's you adjust your own quantity to buy, but seeking does not.

When answering a "seeking" you do NOT have a choice to select how many to sell... This is a major problem, IMO and a lot of new players are going to get burned on this.


Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 8:14pm by Sidicas
#23 Oct 02 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm a newbie to this game, but I've played a few online games. One of them being FFXI.

Sticking to the topic. I myself let myself get burned by selling some wind shards for dirt cheap. One thing I do hate is I didn't have the option to only sell a certain quantity instead of all. You can't even break stacks either correct? Unless your giving some of stack of Item X to your retainer though and even that only gives your retainer a certain amount of your total, cannot break into multiple stacks... which I learned later. Either way you cannot call your retainer into the field to break stacks anyways.

I also noticed you cannot "seek" (buy) more than however many you have of item X.

Ex: Bone chip 2/2. If you only have 2/2 you can only seek 2/2. Not very friendly considering how much crafting is useful in this game and trying to get qtys. of anything like in any game is a pain. Unless you really like farming.

I have not used my player bazaar, but I am guessing it works the same way.

Correct me on anything I stated above... as I might be wrong on this explanation? Good luck to all :)

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#24 Oct 02 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
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"you sold 400 earth shard for 400 gil" i just got trick too =/

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#25 Oct 02 2010 at 8:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Update: I just tried breaking stack of 48/48 item to retainer... giving 24/48. You still are unable to break stack, retainer won't just take 24/48, still takes all 48/48. I guess I can't sell that item in both retainer bazaar and my player bazaar while i'm out in field. Weak...
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#26 Oct 02 2010 at 9:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Haha, deja vu! :D
It's so weird to see this topic, I remember the exact same situation (minus the auto-buying part) in ffxi like 7 years ago. You would think that SE would have managed to avoid doing it again.

Players used to sell crystals, and it would look like a whole stack was selling for 1K or something, when that was actually the asking price for a single. When someone bought it, they would end up with the whole stack and a lot less gil.
SE eventually added in a buy confirmation that said exactly what the transaction would cost. Seems logical. :P


Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 8:05pm by AmanoJ
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#27 Oct 02 2010 at 10:19 PM Rating: Good
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Dethspawn wrote:
Update: I just tried breaking stack of 48/48 item to retainer... giving 24/48. You still are unable to break stack, retainer won't just take 24/48, still takes all 48/48. I guess I can't sell that item in both retainer bazaar and my player bazaar while i'm out in field. Weak...


Uhh, not sure what you did, because I've been able to give my retainer part of my stacks. Select Item, select quantity, hit Entrust. I've also been able to set quantity to remove from retainer. You can also seek less than your full stack; this is useful if you want to buy 300 shards, but you don't want to limit yourself to only selling to someone with 300 shards on hand. Set up a seek for 100 shards, then set another for 100, and another. Or set them for 50, 100, 150.
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Ok. I was able to break stack w/ retainer. I think maybe I wasn't due to lag maybe and not follow through, really not sure.
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