Forum Settings
       
This Forum is Read Only

Square enix don't care about botters.Follow

#1 Oct 02 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Default
*
55 posts
Found some very blatant bots yestaday, level 26 conjurers, random keyboard spam names like gehdgh drfdhhg. They're still at the same spot as they were last night, farming away.

I reported them to SE last night and a GM answered me, but he said they don't deal with that, and to report it to the "special taskforce" at some website. He also deleted my petition and everything I wrote, they really don't want me to make this report do they?

I decided i'll report at this taskforce website and see what happens, anyone know the address?
#2 Oct 02 2010 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
Scholar
**
377 posts
#3 Oct 02 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
*
211 posts
As far as botters go, the GMs are like mall cops. Go ahead and report them to the task force, that's what they're there for. Yes it's a pain, but as time goes on, more and more people will realize the standard for reporting botters.

And yes, they will be a problem anyway, but if you didn't notice, SE basically built the game around thwarting them, so it's obvious they do care about stopping them, it's just very hard. Things like gathering mini games, the lack of NM's, the lack of an AH, and a load of other things all serve as proof that SE wants the game influenced by players, not bots... It's a bit ironic with so many blatant counter measures in place, but oh wells lol.
____________________________
PvR fun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KYqooGHd2g




#4 Oct 02 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Decent
*
73 posts
Sadly no, but I just can't help being reminded of Aion when it launched over here. Though I imagine the botting and stuff isn't nearly as bad as it was in Aion. I just get a bad feeling while reading your little report here, because all the botting and whatnot really made me angry when I used to play Aion, especially the fact that almost nothing was done about it until much later on. Still...can't imagine SE will handle the situation with the same lack of competence.

We'll see, I guess. Can only hope for the best...


EDIT: Typo!

Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 1:33pm by FanciatheDragonkeeper

Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 1:34pm by FanciatheDragonkeeper
____________________________
FFXI: Rynaria - Mithra on Kujata [retired]
FFXIV: Fancia Dragonkeeper - Miqo'te on Besaid
#5 Oct 02 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
Scholar
**
704 posts
FanciatheDragonkeeper wrote:
Sadly no, but I just can't help being reminded of Aion when it launched over here. Though I imagine the botting and stuff isn't nearly as bad as it was in Aion. I just get a bad feeling while reading your little report here, because all the botting and whatnot really made me angry when I used to play Aion, especially the fact that almost nothing was done about it until much later on. Still...can't imagine SE will handle the situation with the same lack of competence.

We'll see, I guess. Can only hope for the best...



Well... I can tell you this much. All games have RMT, but it is more about how the devs try to deal with it. Some turn a blind eye to it, some take a hardline stance, some fall somewhere between the two.

NCSoft has always taken a very soft stance on this activity in their games. I do not think it is that they do not care, but I think they just do not have the knowledge or perhaps resources to fight it effectively. That or they feel that player demand is the reason RMT, bots, etc. exist so maybe they turn a blind eye to it. Aion, Lineage 1 and 2, and all other NCSoft games have tons of RMT, bots, cheats, and tons of people play most of them anyway.

Blizzard seems to take the middle road. They condone it, fight it somewhat, but then they also go out of their way to profit from the activities of RMT since they know that they can never completely eliminate it.

Square Enix, in FFXI, took a pretty hard line against this. Sure, they can be a little slow to move sometimes, but when they do they will move in big ways. 10-20k players banned overnight, etc. They already stated that they blocked all of China's IP range on the JP/NA/EU servers and will make separate servers just for China. They created the Special Task Force during FFXI and this groups entire purpose is to sniff out RMT, Cheats, Bots, etc. They do not just ban the players, but the STF unit actively seeks out ways to keep them out, fix the problems that allow them to easily cheat, etc.

#6 Oct 02 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
*
107 posts
LOL the botting in this game is nothing like aions bots. in aion there were bots and rmt shops litterally in the gm's face and the gms did nothing.
i think this is the first hint of rmt/botting i've seen/heard of in ff14 <one of the few things SE seems to be doing right atm>
at least here the bots seem to be keeping a low profile. maybe taking a cave or something.
in aion they took over whole fields of play with 4 or 5 bots set up to clear the field so no one else to get anything there.
and they were seen on day 1 forward.
____________________________

#7 Oct 02 2010 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
Scholar
**
377 posts
Yeah Aion's bots were terrible just in your face and the chat spam at launch was unreal. I just couldn't believe that the company couldn't just sit a GM in down and just ban them instantly when they started spamming. That was one big reason I was drove away from the game.

When I saw some RMT spam in open beta I was like oh no... But I have yet to see any RMT activity in game, and I am glad, seems like they are doing good and they will have a handle on it just like in FFXI when they stepped it up with the Task Force.
#8 Oct 02 2010 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
*
73 posts
Yea no question, it's not like in Aion at all. Was just reminded for a second or two, like by the way the initial post was written. I know SE is different and it's good. Hopefully all these bad people will get to feel that right from the start though, before they get the silly idea it might be safe to settle down here. Okay...they will anyway, but hey! Can always dream a bit.

I think in one week I got like two messages advertising gil, didn't really notice anything else, or any funny names running loose. So that's pretty good for a start, yep. Sorry if my wording was a bit off there, just general ranting about a memory. =P
____________________________
FFXI: Rynaria - Mithra on Kujata [retired]
FFXIV: Fancia Dragonkeeper - Miqo'te on Besaid
#10 Oct 02 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
*
107 posts
really shouldn't encourage rmt by posting links to it....
____________________________

#11 Oct 03 2010 at 8:44 AM Rating: Default
Scholar
**
787 posts


This is further proof that SE doesn't care about botters. I dare you to even attempt to fill out a report on a botter. It won't work because the only servers listed are World Names they have listed is for FFXI. Sad but true and I like to report pairs of botters with names like "Dfdt Nfsdf" and "Yrgdfg Wmkg". They team up and bot on the quick spawn rats at the cliff.


Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 10:45am by rubina
#12 Oct 19 2010 at 1:57 AM Rating: Default
*
64 posts
They are lvl 33 now
#13 Oct 19 2010 at 2:36 AM Rating: Default
11 posts
Full of botters in the same places in all 18 realms,it is so frustrating that SE dont care about them at all.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 4:37am by mmogah

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 4:38am by mmogah
#14 Oct 19 2010 at 2:55 AM Rating: Default
Scholar
*
90 posts
Leodesol wrote:
They already stated that they blocked all of China's IP range on the JP/NA/EU servers and will make separate servers just for China.


No, they have not blocked IP from China (I wouldn't be playing as we speak otherwise), and no, I don't think they stated anything like that. Can you provide me with a link in which they officially announce that? As for the separate servers in China, it's not SE's doing this, it's Shanda (the company who got the deal with them) who will be responsible for operating servers for mainland China, just like what happened for WoW. It's just Shanda complying with Chinese law, SE has nothing to do with it. Most likely, the situation is gonna be just the way it is for WoW - buy a Chinese client, you're stuck on Chinese servers; You own a non Chinese client, you're free to connect on whatever server u choose. Also, to the best of my knowledge there are no such such things as US or EU servers, all the servers are in Japan for now. EDIT: or maybe by EU US JPN you meant "the rest of the world"?

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 4:55am by Aiwen

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 6:56am by Aiwen
#15 Oct 19 2010 at 3:43 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
***
2,045 posts
Quote:
They already stated that they blocked all of China's IP range on the JP/NA/EU servers and will make separate servers just for China.


Over the last few years (on FFXI) huge amounts (and for a long time this was the primary means of them obtaining gil) of gil has been sold to RMT sites from US/EU/JP legitimate endgame players, crafters, farmers and most notoriously and openly by dedicated linkshells that bought bots etc to monopolise NMs and their drops, selling them to directly RMT the gil making the leaders money irl. Stopping chinese farmers only increases prices they buy for, it will not stop RMT ever.

It will simply change from chinese rmt sweatshop farmers to normal players with high level crafting chars, even multiple ones to sell the gil.

This is how RMT changed on FFXI due to Square cracking down and given their stance from the start this is how it will probably quickly go on here too. Normal players with high level crafting gouging everyone or selling r/e drops from NM (when they add that) to sell the gil, given at least some of the RMT HNM shell people are on here now I can't seeing that taking too long when the opportunity arises.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 5:48am by preludes
____________________________
BANNED
#16 Oct 19 2010 at 5:00 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
90 posts
preludes wrote:
Quote:
They already stated that they blocked all of China's IP range on the JP/NA/EU servers and will make separate servers just for China.


Over the last few years (on FFXI) huge amounts (and for a long time this was the primary means of them obtaining gil) of gil has been sold to RMT sites from US/EU/JP legitimate endgame players, crafters, farmers and most notoriously and openly by dedicated linkshells that bought bots etc to monopolise NMs and their drops, selling them to directly RMT the gil making the leaders money irl. Stopping chinese farmers only increases prices they buy for, it will not stop RMT ever.

It will simply change from chinese rmt sweatshop farmers to normal players with high level crafting chars, even multiple ones to sell the gil.

This is how RMT changed on FFXI due to Square cracking down and given their stance from the start this is how it will probably quickly go on here too. Normal players with high level crafting gouging everyone or selling r/e drops from NM (when they add that) to sell the gil, given at least some of the RMT HNM shell people are on here now I can't seeing that taking too long when the opportunity arises.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 5:48am by preludes


I couldn't agree more. If I may ad a sentence or two, I don't like the way people seem to think ALL Chinese players are gill sellers. Amongst my Chinese friends and acquaintances many are playing this game or other MMOs just for fun, just like you and me. RMT industry is not limited to China and there will always be people buying and selling gold/gil, whatever we do.
#17 Oct 19 2010 at 5:27 PM Rating: Default
11 posts
Aiwen wrote:
Leodesol wrote:
They already stated that they blocked all of China's IP range on the JP/NA/EU servers and will make separate servers just for China.


No, they have not blocked IP from China (I wouldn't be playing as we speak otherwise), and no, I don't think they stated anything like that. Can you provide me with a link in which they officially announce that?


All of China's IP is blocked.The game cant be logged in without a proxy.I am a Chinese and in China.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 7:27pm by mmogah
#18 Oct 19 2010 at 5:37 PM Rating: Default
*
116 posts
the scrub bastards are parked perma style in both rooms that i want to xp in currently. not only are they destroying the economy of my game but theyre personally ruining my progress because i cant xp where i want to which turns out to be the most profitable and effecient area hence the reason there are two bots named rffdddfff and wwwhwwwhhh perma camped there. Odd how GM's or Square employees cant locate these guys. I even tried to petition with the names and location of them and instead of doing something the gm that replied linked me elsewhere. Seriously!?! Ah well a week later, same guys there taken over my xp spot. Great when bots are twice your level ffs. I would love to punch them in the face irl.
#19 Oct 19 2010 at 6:29 PM Rating: Default
17 posts
I hope reporting bots is easier then trying to pay your monthly fees...lol

So I gave up my AH cuz they wanted to stop RMT's...and now they do nothing about farming bots? pfft...
I'd think it'd be easy to find bots....didn't have to change the whole game around.
#20 Oct 19 2010 at 6:58 PM Rating: Default
Scholar
*
90 posts
mmogah wrote:
Aiwen wrote:
Leodesol wrote:
They already stated that they blocked all of China's IP range on the JP/NA/EU servers and will make separate servers just for China.


No, they have not blocked IP from China (I wouldn't be playing as we speak otherwise), and no, I don't think they stated anything like that. Can you provide me with a link in which they officially announce that?


All of China's IP is blocked.The game cant be logged in without a proxy.I am a Chinese and in China.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 7:27pm by mmogah




I live in Beijing and I'm playing now. I know other players living here. EDIT: and no, I'm not using any proxy! I have no idea why you can't access the game.

EDIT: I actually found the source of this information and it appears to be real (it's the producer speaking). I'm really puzzled... I know at least 5 other players and none of them is using a VPN/proxy.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 8:59pm by Aiwen

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 9:43pm by Aiwen
#21 Oct 19 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
**
295 posts
How do you know they're botters? Just because they have gibberish names it doesn't mean there isn't a real live breathing gil farmer behind the keyboard. This game is complicated enough to play by a human due to the command interface, let alone have automated bots doing it alone.
#22 Oct 19 2010 at 9:48 PM Rating: Default
Scholar
*
191 posts
Given the state of this game to date and SE scrambling in the background to make improvements,I hardly think
SE gives a rat's *ss about RMT right now.
They probably appreiciate the additional beta testers right now,lol.

____________________________
FFXI:
Elvaan/Cerberus/Rank10 x 3/Sky/Sea
Blm80/Bst80/Rdm75/Blu75/Whm75/Rng75
WW100+3/Cook100+2/CC94+2/Alchemy87+2/Fishing61/Rest60
Owner Star Nursuries

FFXIV:
Elezen LvL37/Bodhum
Con24/Thau18/Weav24/Carp17/Gold21/Smith17/Alchem17/Leather17/Bot9/Min6
#23 Oct 20 2010 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
11 posts
Nathanael wrote:
How do you know they're botters? Just because they have gibberish names it doesn't mean there isn't a real live breathing gil farmer behind the keyboard. This game is complicated enough to play by a human due to the command interface, let alone have automated bots doing it alone.


They are real botters.It is a simple bot named 按键精灵,and its English name is probably Keystoke Genius.Characters don't move,just stand there to fight the mobs around them.If you dont believe you can enter some caves to check.
#24 Oct 20 2010 at 12:06 AM Rating: Good
11 posts
Montydataru wrote:
I hope reporting bots is easier then trying to pay your monthly fees...lol

So I gave up my AH cuz they wanted to stop RMT's...and now they do nothing about farming bots? pfft...
I'd think it'd be easy to find bots....didn't have to change the whole game around.


Aiwen wrote:
mmogah wrote:
Aiwen wrote:
Leodesol wrote:
They already stated that they blocked all of China's IP range on the JP/NA/EU servers and will make separate servers just for China.


No, they have not blocked IP from China (I wouldn't be playing as we speak otherwise), and no, I don't think they stated anything like that. Can you provide me with a link in which they officially announce that?


All of China's IP is blocked.The game cant be logged in without a proxy.I am a Chinese and in China.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 7:27pm by mmogah




I live in Beijing and I'm playing now. I know other players living here. EDIT: and no, I'm not using any proxy! I have no idea why you can't access the game.

EDIT: I actually found the source of this information and it appears to be real (it's the producer speaking). I'm really puzzled... I know at least 5 other players and none of them is using a VPN/proxy.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 8:59pm by Aiwen

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 9:43pm by Aiwen

I tried to log in game just now, couldn't log in it without proxy.They may block some areas in china.
#25 Oct 20 2010 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
90 posts
mmogah wrote:

I tried to log in game just now, couldn't log in it without proxy.They may block some areas in china.


Interesting. Do u actually get a message saying "access unauthorized from your region", or you just get a time out error at the version check screen? This is what I get when I try to connect using a router.
#26 Oct 20 2010 at 12:30 AM Rating: Default
**
608 posts
wheres theres botters theres RMT which means people are buying gil.
#27 Oct 20 2010 at 4:46 AM Rating: Decent
11 posts
Aiwen wrote:
mmogah wrote:

I tried to log in game just now, couldn't log in it without proxy.They may block some areas in china.


Interesting. Do u actually get a message saying "access unauthorized from your region", or you just get a time out error at the version check screen? This is what I get when I try to connect using a router.


No,it is not that message. After "Checking version",it is "11024 Version check timed out.Please try again later.(3:20455 ....).If i have a VPN conneted,after "Checking version",it is the interface of account name and password,then i can login game.
#28 Oct 20 2010 at 9:48 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
2,652 posts
The other dame in Limsy Lomsy Land I seen an elf girl doing botany( I was doing it too) but every time she would chop a tree her character appeared to be quite some distance from the actual tree and not really facing it. She would also succeed on the first hit every single time! Completely naked using the starter axe.
#29 Oct 20 2010 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
**
793 posts
I'm really tired, and I skimmed the thread title quickly and read "Square enix don't care about brothers."
____________________________
I might be an onion thief, but I'm still a thief.™





#30 Oct 20 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
90 posts
mmogah wrote:
Aiwen wrote:
mmogah wrote:

I tried to log in game just now, couldn't log in it without proxy.They may block some areas in china.


Interesting. Do u actually get a message saying "access unauthorized from your region", or you just get a time out error at the version check screen? This is what I get when I try to connect using a router.


No,it is not that message. After "Checking version",it is "11024 Version check timed out.Please try again later.(3:20455 ....).If i have a VPN conneted,after "Checking version",it is the interface of account name and password,then i can login game.


I might be wrong but this doesn't look like you're being blocked... My company makes and operates MMOs and does block Chinese IP on its American/European server, if you try to connect from here anyway, you get the "unauthorized access" type of message and you get banned right away. I actually took the time to write a mail to SE's support center regarding a possible Chinese IP block, here's their answer:

SE wrote:

Dear Customer,

Regarding your request for technical support. Please find your answer below.

SQUARE ENIX as a whole do not block access to services in any Country or Region.

If you are having trouble accessing the service please feel free to contact us for connection troubleshooting.

Thank you for contacting the SQUARE ENIX Support Center.

#31 Oct 20 2010 at 11:44 PM Rating: Decent
11 posts
Aiwen wrote:
mmogah wrote:
Aiwen wrote:
mmogah wrote:

I tried to log in game just now, couldn't log in it without proxy.They may block some areas in china.


Interesting. Do u actually get a message saying "access unauthorized from your region", or you just get a time out error at the version check screen? This is what I get when I try to connect using a router.


No,it is not that message. After "Checking version",it is "11024 Version check timed out.Please try again later.(3:20455 ....).If i have a VPN conneted,after "Checking version",it is the interface of account name and password,then i can login game.


I might be wrong but this doesn't look like you're being blocked... My company makes and operates MMOs and does block Chinese IP on its American/European server, if you try to connect from here anyway, you get the "unauthorized access" type of message and you get banned right away. I actually took the time to write a mail to SE's support center regarding a possible Chinese IP block, here's their answer:

SE wrote:

Dear Customer,

Regarding your request for technical support. Please find your answer below.

SQUARE ENIX as a whole do not block access to services in any Country or Region.

If you are having trouble accessing the service please feel free to contact us for connection troubleshooting.

Thank you for contacting the SQUARE ENIX Support Center.



I asked some friends of mine.Some of them can login without a proxy,but others cant login. I asked why,but noboady knows.I am wondering how this happens,and i tried to login the game without a proxy just now,I still couldn't login.
#32 Oct 21 2010 at 12:44 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
90 posts
mmogah wrote:

I asked some friends of mine.Some of them can login without a proxy,but others cant login. I asked why,but noboady knows.I am wondering how this happens,and i tried to login the game without a proxy just now,I still couldn't login.


ISPs/modem issues? My ISP is China Unicom and my modem has some kind of feature that allows automatic port forwarding. I'm just taking a shot in the dark, I know very little about networking.
This forum is read only
This Forum is Read Only!
Recent Visitors: 21 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (21)