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#1 Oct 03 2010 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey everyone. I have been really excited for this game. I remember when I bought ffxi (my very first mmorpg every) and I fell in love. I LOVED the fact that from level 1 - 10 was challenging in a way, and right when you were level 10 you needed to be in a party to succeed. I loved the team work, skill chains, strategies you had to use for certain mobs. Every job was needed and had a certain role. I was a paladin and the game made me feel like a hero. Ffxi made me feel like I was in a different reality.. it sucked me in.

I have read a few threads on here, and it seems to me that this game isn't "done" and it's just bland. So my question.. should I wait to get this game on the ps3, and can someone explain to me what exactly is different from this game and ffxi?
#2 Oct 03 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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Save your money and wait until SE gets this game out of Beta quality.
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if you really enjoyed xi and feel a strong sense of nostalgia for it you stand a good chance of being able to ignore some of xiv's current shortcomings in anticipation for what is yet to be seen. even the people who like the game (like myself) arent claiming its perfect, there are some very obvious flaws currently. but if you play with an open mind and consider what can/will be of this game you should enjoy it.


or if your the type to let the cumulative details add up in your head and are unable to overcome a handfull of drawbacks maybe waiting a few months would be a better choice.
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#4 Oct 03 2010 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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If they are still in beta testing I will just save my money :)
#5 Oct 03 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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I know exactly how you feel final fantasy 11 was my first mmo and I fell in love with it
And played it for many years. Almost none of the good stuff from 11 was carried over unfortunately,
I loved the dependence on teamwork and other players, and while you probably will have
To party later on, now its more rewarding to solo.

The jobs don't feel specialized and important and you probably wont get that same feeling of
teamwork you did in 11. This game is beautiful and that's about the only Good thing I can
Say other than it has potential. Save your money for now and check back in a few months.
#6 Oct 03 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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calbers91 wrote:
I LOVED the fact that from level 1 - 10 was challenging in a way, and right when you were level 10 you needed to be in a party to succeed. I loved the team work, skill chains, strategies you had to use for certain mobs. Every job was needed and had a certain role. I was a paladin and the game made me feel like a hero. Ffxi made me feel like I was in a different reality.. it sucked me in.


Right now you will not like this game one bit. Trust me, I was exactly like you in terms of what I loved from FFXI and everyday I find myself struggling more and more to log in to FFXIV.

If you really want to give yourself a fair chance at falling in love with FFXIV, based upon what you wrote above as being in love with from FFXI, please watch the game's progress for a few months before you dive in, specifically group dynamics and community interaction. There is still a bit of maturing necessary in those regards.

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Go on Youtube and check out some Vids. It will show the UI lag and the lag in the game. If you can wait 10 seconds fo rthings t load up then i say play. I f it looks like slow going then wait.

At times the lag is hard to deal with when you battle. Other then that its not to bad.
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Frebaut wrote:
Go on Youtube and check out some Vids. It will show the UI lag and the lag in the game. If you can wait 10 seconds fo rthings t load up then i say play. I f it looks like slow going then wait.

At times the lag is hard to deal with when you battle. Other then that its not to bad.


I have 0 UI lag, very rarely will an NPC not be visable (repair NPC sometimes takes 2-3 seconds to appear).

To the OP, it's up to you. The games beautiful, you could be in it leveling a few things and tinkering around while you wait for SE to add side quests and such. A few locations feel a little empty or souless, but it's not too bad IMO.

It's currently kinda like getting a can of alphabet soup and it doesn't contain any vowels, the soup tastes good and you can enjoy it (hot or cold)... but you'll have a feeling of emptiness every few spoonfulls. But at the end of the day I'm not starving like I was pre-release.
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
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Go on Youtube and check out some Vids. It will show the UI lag and the lag in the game. If you can wait 10 seconds fo rthings t load up then i say play. I f it looks like slow going then wait.

At times the lag is hard to deal with when you battle. Other then that its not to bad.


I have 0 UI lag, very rarely will an NPC not be visable (repair NPC sometimes takes 2-3 seconds to appear).

To the OP, it's up to you. The games beautiful, you could be in it leveling a few things and tinkering around while you wait for SE to add side quests and such. A few locations feel a little empty or souless, but it's not too bad IMO.

It's currently kinda like getting a can of alphabet soup and it doesn't contain any vowels, the soup tastes good and you can enjoy it (hot or cold)... but you'll have a feeling of emptiness every few spoonfulls. But at the end of the day I'm not starving like I was pre-release.


I'm sorry saying you have 0 UI lag is just bs. Even SE stated in their prelive event that there is UI lag that they need to work on.
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I'm sorry saying you have 0 UI lag is just bs. Even SE stated in their prelive event that there is UI lag that they need to work on.


I'll say it again, I have 0 UI lag. Maybe it's because I'm in the UK and playing when the system isn't as stressed as NA and JP prime times... Maybe it's because I don't fight where other people fight, maybe it's because I don't sell stuff to NPCs in the stall areas, and I go to a secluded shop instead? I dunno, but at the end of the day I don't have UI lag. I've watched quite a few vids on Youtube complaining about it, and I don't have those symptoms.
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#11 Oct 03 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
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calbers91 wrote:
I LOVED the fact that from level 1 - 10 was challenging in a way, and right when you were level 10 you needed to be in a party to succeed. I loved the team work, skill chains, strategies you had to use for certain mobs.
FFXIV is not like this at all right now, at least as far as we can see up til level ~30.

PerrinofSylph wrote:
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I'm sorry saying you have 0 UI lag is just bs. Even SE stated in their prelive event that there is UI lag that they need to work on.


I'll say it again, I have 0 UI lag. Maybe it's because I'm in the UK and playing when the system isn't as stressed as NA and JP prime times... Maybe it's because I don't fight where other people fight, maybe it's because I don't sell stuff to NPCs in the stall areas, and I go to a secluded shop instead? I dunno, but at the end of the day I don't have UI lag. I've watched quite a few vids on Youtube complaining about it, and I don't have those symptoms.
So you do everything you can to minimize lag, then boast how your lag is 100% nonexistant? That's a silly comment to make.

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#12 Oct 03 2010 at 4:13 PM Rating: Default
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I highly suggest you wait and see if they change some of the currently game-breaking core mechanics of this game.

They need to fix (in order of priority):

Create an auction house
Make usable items drop from every quest (not crafting items)
Make crafting A LOT faster, and give less exp overall
Make adventuring and fighting the focus of the game - not Final Craftasy as it is right now
Remove the active/passive mode and make it automatic as a "combat" mode whenever engaged
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#13 Oct 03 2010 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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I think UI lag is indeed there. It is the interaction interface built into the client software that is slow. The server and or your local latency can affect in increasing the lag.

For example, when I click on inventory (assuming I have low latency from ISP) and it takes over 5 seconds to pop up on the screen is UI lag from the client. The server/local isp lag would be if the screen for inventory popped up, but the items were still loading (which would be because of the latency).

The UI lag is there... absolutely, and that is what needs to be fixed as a priority along with what the above poster listed. There may be a case that some users are not experiencing any UI issues...and they seem to the minority at the moment.

To the OP: Yes, I would recommend waiting unless you have an open mind about the flaws and patience to deal with them. If not, don't pick up the game as it may leave a bitter taste and cause you to drop it within the month.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 6:26pm by VoodooFreak
#14 Oct 04 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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So you do everything you can to minimize lag, then boast how your lag is 100% nonexistant? That's a silly comment to make.Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 5:13pm by bsphil


Or maybe I prefer to go to camps where there are mobs... Maybe the place I go to for selling my junk is on the way to the repair npc and it just happens they don't sell anything people think is useful...
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#15 Oct 04 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Personally I'm a fan of the game and I love playing it. BUT I'm not going to jump up and say "YES you should buy this game, it's awesome!".....


Basically, it depends what type of player you are (and really what type of person you are)... If you are the type that's going to get really annoyed and impatient about the fact that it's missing some basic features, and that the menus are absolute trash, etc... Then yes, definitely wait it out. It will be fixed in time. However, if you're the type that finds it exciting to play a brand new game and watch it grow and improve, and also be of the first batch of people to try everything...Then I DO recommend buying it.

It really is a fun game. I think that the "game" itself is fantastic, as far as battle system, graphics, etc. But I'm not going to say it doesn't need a lot of work.

So basically you just need to decide which of those categories you personally fall into, and base your decision on that.
#16 Oct 04 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I would go for it if you have a newer pc with a decent CPU (quad core; it's playable on a dual core) and a current gen video card. Otherwise wait for the ps3 release.
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#17 Oct 04 2010 at 11:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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#18 Oct 04 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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If you want FFXI-2 then this isn't the game for you. The only real things that are reminiscent of FFXI are the races and graphics albeit updated.

There is a laggy and clunky (unintuitive/laborious) UI. (It's better if you have a controller, but the mouse still has issues.)

And I've been killed numerous times by mobs that didn't load correctly (at all). Some NPCs don't load at all until I approach them from a different angle. I have a low to mid-range gaming computer. Now with shadows, physics, draw distance, and DoF turned off. It seems to help.

Right now I can safely say I'm tolerating the game, however there are moments of awesomeness. I'm not looking forward to progress, but I log on to get some leves done and craft to gain EXP. My main motivation I think is being established and "bragging rights" by having a high level character (eventually). But if I'm not having fun, what's the point, right?

I think if you don't mind being a pioneer, and are willing to figure out things by yourself AND willing to put up with some "broken" elements, which are hopefully fixed within the coming months, then by all means.

But if you're looking for FFXI-2 then it would be only fair to wait as long as NA did for it's release...so about a year, year and a half. That is, if SE listens.
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By now, and I almost can't believe my own words, I'd wait. But you're always smarter afterwards. Blind faith in SE after playing beta and after hating FFXIII should have opened my eyes, so yea. My bad.

For me currently game breaking is the lag while interacting with shop NPCs and the lack of an auction house or at least a search function for retainers. And the whole menu structure is rather annoying, don't see them ever changing that though.

For now me will stay away from the game and wait until at least some form of auction house or search function is implemented. A party flag system like in FFXI would be very much appreciated too, almost forgot about that. Me's going to play something else in the meantime, no not WoW but the 2.0 update of Aion looks kinda appealing to me. So me's going to try that again, but of course keeping an eye on FFXIV. I wanted to make it my next one-and-only MMO, but not in its current state. As much as I love about the game, there's just as much I hate about it, sorry.

But yea, unless you're really patient and not bothered by things that shouldn't even be there in the first place (or be lacking), wait and see where the game's heading in the near future. Hope ya make the right decision and end up happy either way! Good luck!
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#20 Oct 04 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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People who claim about lag.. are playing on a very high pop server. They are opening new servers.

I was in Beta for quite a while and notice the changes in just a few short months.

I rolled on a very popular server.. Lindblum and was disappointed in the quality of game play. I figured.. all servers were like this since.. you know.. this was the only server I had played on :D So I Dealt with the 15 seconds for doors to open.. The lag delay in spells firing off.. Taking 10 seconds to load NPC wares to buy and sell which take yet another 6-8 seconds per item.

I Was on Lindblum from day one. Collectors edition yadda yadda... friend did not have that option.. so they had to wait while server fills up and gets locked.. unable to roll on lindblum.. peaved i am...

New server opens up meet up with friends.. and WOW No lag.. wth is this. I Love it now. People are filling it up fast and still no lag.. I am loving it.

Time will tell if it lags out like Lindblum.


EDIT* Oh and I am fine with no auction house.. At first it sucked... But after seeing SE's point I like the idea of no AH. This game makes players really come together to buy and sell their wares... you get to know more people.
Hey I Member you.. you are that Weaver I traded them Copper Buckles to.. you need some more?
I am sure they will name the Location of the markets to reflect what should be sold in there to help give players a direction.

As it is now.. it seems more of a community of helping people and crafting than WOW ever could be or has been.

I Applaud SE for taking the High road. The best path isnt always the easiest.

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 2:22pm by Zamian
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Zamian wrote:
I rolled on a very popular server.. Lindblum and was disappointed in the quality of game play. I figured.. all servers were like this since.. you know.. this was the only server I had played on............New server opens up meet up with friends.. and WOW No lag.. wth is this. I Love it now. People are filling it up fast and still no lag.. I am loving it.


So you do everything you can to minimize lag, then boast how your lag is 100% nonexistant? That's a silly comment to make...

I joke,

Seriously I more or less have the same experience as you, the game has it's flaws, however Rab isn't as overflowed during MY prime time as Selbina (which I wanted to be on, but I'm quite happy where I'm at). I'm not saying the game has no flaws, I pointed out the flaws I felt were important in my OP. Some people just don't believe people like us sadly...
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Don't forget the random crashes.

Yes, they're still happening.
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#23 Oct 04 2010 at 4:16 PM Rating: Good
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like someone said earlier, we are still in beta and as for the lag FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT LOOSE YOUR RETAINER.

i forgot where i put my retainer and when looking for him you have to wait 20 secs for just a few retainers to load. then you have to move foward abit to see a few more that pops up after 20 secs.

and that god dam door in ul dah guilds adventures. i have time to go put kettle on, go for a ****, go make a cuppa, grab a buscuit then go back to the game. oh and then wait for another 20 secs for the door to open.

other then that im satisfied for now.
#24 Oct 04 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone thinking of picking up this game should wait at least a few weeks to see what SE does in regards to patching when it comes to servers load stability, lag, and the user interface. This I think really are the most pressing issues that will frustrate people the most and determine if you can even play the game reasonably. Sure you can deal with the issues but one shouldn't have to.

Personally I fully expected server issues and maybe even lag. I did not expect the UI issues at all. That's what all MMOs tend to get right. Not so in this case.
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Make crafting A LOT faster, and give less exp overall
Make adventuring and fighting the focus of the game - not Final Craftasy as it is right now


even then... crafting is super addictive. It's lame in a sense that we have to keep training on rank 1 items, but its still fun.... The community now is evolving the most around crafters because you need soooooo many items from many different craft to make anything useful.

Fighting mobs as mage has been super frustrating for me since they implement the cone AoE and "face the target" crap. I haven't touched my mage for 3 days now. All I'm doing are alchemy and fish.
#26 Oct 12 2010 at 12:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Frebaut wrote:
Go on Youtube and check out some Vids. It will show the UI lag and the lag in the game. If you can wait 10 seconds fo rthings t load up then i say play. I f it looks like slow going then wait.

At times the lag is hard to deal with when you battle. Other then that its not to bad.


You think SE would have fixed this problem before launch.
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Zamian wrote:
People who claim about lag.. are playing on a very high pop server. They are opening new servers.

I was in Beta for quite a while and notice the changes in just a few short months.

I rolled on a very popular server.. Lindblum and was disappointed in the quality of game play. I figured.. all servers were like this since.. you know.. this was the only server I had played on :D So I Dealt with the 15 seconds for doors to open.. The lag delay in spells firing off.. Taking 10 seconds to load NPC wares to buy and sell which take yet another 6-8 seconds per item.

I Was on Lindblum from day one. Collectors edition yadda yadda... friend did not have that option.. so they had to wait while server fills up and gets locked.. unable to roll on lindblum.. peaved i am...

New server opens up meet up with friends.. and WOW No lag.. wth is this. I Love it now. People are filling it up fast and still no lag.. I am loving it.

Time will tell if it lags out like Lindblum.


EDIT* Oh and I am fine with no auction house.. At first it sucked... But after seeing SE's point I like the idea of no AH. This game makes players really come together to buy and sell their wares... you get to know more people.
Hey I Member you.. you are that Weaver I traded them Copper Buckles to.. you need some more?
I am sure they will name the Location of the markets to reflect what should be sold in there to help give players a direction.

As it is now.. it seems more of a community of helping people and crafting than WOW ever could be or has been.

I Applaud SE for taking the High road. The best path isnt always the easiest.

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 2:22pm by Zamian


You hit the nail on the head about the auction house. I also think It is a good idea. It will give your character a reputation by real players.
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if you really enjoyed xi and feel a strong sense of nostalgia for it you stand a good chance of being able to ignore some of xiv's current shortcomings in anticipation for what is yet to be seen. even the people who like the game (like myself) arent claiming its perfect, there are some very obvious flaws currently. but if you play with an open mind and consider what can/will be of this game you should enjoy it.


or if your the type to let the cumulative details add up in your head and are unable to overcome a handfull of drawbacks maybe waiting a few months would be a better choice.


agree and disagree.

if you liked FFXI and loved it like you say, then stay away from ffxiv for now till they fix it or you will get disapointed, if you like ffxi and want to support SE and take all thier **** (like i do), then go on and play ffxiv.

ffxi story and the PLD story is way much better than my stupid GLD story.

but i trust SE that they will make FFXIV much better than any game i played before, they did it to ffxi and i dont see why they cant do it to FFXIV
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Yes. Definitely wait.
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Now that quite a number of reviews are out, take the time to go through the reviews and take note of all positives and negatives stated in each review. You will notice that most reviews are in consensus and raises very similar points on the goods and the bads of FFXIV in it's current state.

I personally would say wait for couple of months but there is also a saying that one man's meat is another man's poison so you may wish to decide for yourself. :)
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there is also a saying that one man's meat is another man's poison so you may wish to decide for yourself. :)


That's basically what -I did- and I have enjoy the game until today.
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#32 Oct 12 2010 at 1:56 AM Rating: Decent
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They are only out of Beta in a semantic sense. I would suggest saving your money until at least the PS3 release, which is, in my opinion, when the whole of the game probably should have been delayed until.
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Come on in the water is fine.


As long as you dont mind not being able to sell anything you craft of craft anything worth a **** because of the work necessary to farm completely random items that you cant sell because noone needs them because they also get so much they jus tvendor it...

Other then that Its fine oh yeah and there is no feasable party system yet just the fake one that is a "placeholder" for a real party system like the UI..




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Hey everyone. I have been really excited for this game. I remember when I bought ffxi (my very first mmorpg every) and I fell in love. I LOVED the fact that from level 1 - 10 was challenging in a way, and right when you were level 10 you needed to be in a party to succeed. I loved the team work, skill chains, strategies you had to use for certain mobs. Every job was needed and had a certain role. I was a paladin and the game made me feel like a hero. Ffxi made me feel like I was in a different reality.. it sucked me in.

I have read a few threads on here, and it seems to me that this game isn't "done" and it's just bland. So my question.. should I wait to get this game on the ps3, and can someone explain to me what exactly is different from this game and ffxi?

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If you do wait the PS3 version will have the expansion built in already...

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They are only out of Beta in a semantic sense. I would suggest saving your money until at least the PS3 release, which is, in my opinion, when the whole of the game probably should have been delayed until.

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calbers91 wrote:
Hey everyone. I have been really excited for this game. I remember when I bought ffxi (my very first mmorpg every) and I fell in love. I LOVED the fact that from level 1 - 10 was challenging in a way, and right when you were level 10 you needed to be in a party to succeed. I loved the team work, skill chains, strategies you had to use for certain mobs. Every job was needed and had a certain role. I was a paladin and the game made me feel like a hero. Ffxi made me feel like I was in a different reality.. it sucked me in.

I have read a few threads on here, and it seems to me that this game isn't "done" and it's just bland. So my question.. should I wait to get this game on the ps3, and can someone explain to me what exactly is different from this game and ffxi?



If you're a fan boy and are going to love any game that SE puts out, then **** yeah! Jump on in.

If you like the FF series and can deal with the issues of being in a secondary beta (that you're going to pay for), then yeah, go for it.

If either of the above isn't true, then check back in 6 months. It may be better by then.
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