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#1 Oct 03 2010 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
I'm kind of curious, has SE given any type of notification as to what their plans are for updates? Usually when a version update is going to happen with FFXI they'll post info on what to expect in the next version update. Seeing as the game came out less than a week ago I'd imagine a major version update should be expected within the next few weeks or so.
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#2 Oct 03 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Default
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Considering they asked several gaming outlets to hold off on reviews for a few weeks, I think its safe to assume they have a "game changing" patch in the works to be released in a couple weeks.
#3 Oct 03 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
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They have mentioned two things:

A) The patch to change the marketplace to something that makes more sense is 1-2 weeks away. As for what else the update might have in store is unknown, but I wouldn't expect anything extra before we have the update notes.

B) Content Updates happen every 3 months like with XI. That means we'll have a content update at December, or earlier.
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#4 Oct 03 2010 at 8:30 PM Rating: Default
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That is all I have seen as well with the 1-2 weeks for that patch. It is SE tho. You never know what they have in store. There are mostly finished pieces of content all over the game they may come on out and finish them up anytime. They have been piping up almost daily with an announcement of some type of change or upgrade or clarification throughout this process and most times there was several things that came to be without mention. I'm assuming this patch will be no different. I am on the hopeful side still as you can tell lol. I think they have a ton of irons in the fire. We'll see what that beings sometime soon.
#5 Oct 03 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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SudoNemesis wrote:
Considering they asked several gaming outlets to hold off on reviews for a few weeks, I think its safe to assume they have a "game changing" patch in the works to be released in a couple weeks.
If that is true, it begs the question, why didn't they just include that as part of the release?
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#6 Oct 03 2010 at 8:43 PM Rating: Default
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bsphil wrote:
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Considering they asked several gaming outlets to hold off on reviews for a few weeks, I think its safe to assume they have a "game changing" patch in the works to be released in a couple weeks.
If that is true, it begs the question, why didn't they just include that as part of the release?

Probably hadn't cleared internal testing. The game was rushed to meet a deadline, classic Tanaka flubbing. Square really should fire him, but they have an issue with getting rid of their bad managers. Wada is afraid that if he fires one, the rest will quit in protest, since almost all of the management has been there since the beginning. Unfortunatly, due to this, all of the management are a bunch of old stubborn dumbasses who are still stuck in the 80s/90s.
#7 Oct 03 2010 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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Hyanmen wrote:
Content Updates happen every 3 months like with XI. That means we'll have a content update at December, or earlier.
Does anyone have a source for this? I had sort of assumed we would be getting patches every month to start, much like when FFXI started (and like many other new MMOs). Three months is a long time to wait for a game that has so many things left unimplemented.
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#8 Oct 03 2010 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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If that is true, it begs the question, why didn't they just include that as part of the release?


It wasn't ready, release date set in stone, etc.

I bet we'll have another game mechanics update a month from that one, then again in a month, etc... They could have waited for all of these patches to be implemented, but that means a loss of months worth of subscription fees. Simple enough, and too bad.

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Does anyone have a source for this? I had sort of assumed we would be getting patches every month to start, much like when FFXI started (and like many other new MMOs). Three months is a long time to wait for a game that has so many things left unimplemented.


Well like I said, a marketplace update is scheduled in 1-2 weeks so more than likely they mean that these monthly updates will not have any content but simply adjustments to the existing mechanics, and every 3 months a larger update with new content will be implemented.

I think this is roughly how XI worked too, although the difference wasn't so clear back then.

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#9 Oct 03 2010 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
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SudoNemesis wrote:
Probably hadn't cleared internal testing.
If that patch didn't clear internal testing and yet the rest of the game had back in april... wow.
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#10 Oct 03 2010 at 8:55 PM Rating: Default
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bsphil wrote:
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Probably hadn't cleared internal testing.
If that patch didn't clear internal testing and yet the rest of the game had back in april... wow.

You're making the assumption that Tanaka isn't a completely incompetent ***. That is a dangerous assumption.
#11 Oct 03 2010 at 8:56 PM Rating: Good
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Considering they asked several gaming outlets to hold off on reviews for a few weeks, I think its safe to assume they have a "game changing" patch in the works to be released in a couple weeks.

This is good news, but POIDH? Where's the source.
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#12 Oct 03 2010 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Considering they asked several gaming outlets to hold off on reviews for a few weeks, I think its safe to assume they have a "game changing" patch in the works to be released in a couple weeks.

This is good news, but POIDH? Where's the source.

http://beefjack.com/news/square-enix-hope-press-will-wait-three-to-four-weeks-before-final-fantasy-xiv-reviews/
#13 Oct 03 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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On the other hand most games make majority of sales in the first 2-3 weeks and not having bad reviews killing these sales is nice. Even when you don't plan on any improvements and your whole dev team has been laid off couple months ago. I am not saying FF XIV devteam has been laid off, I am saying you always want negative reviews to be held for the first 2-3 weeks regardless of your update schedule.
#14SudoNemesis, Posted: Oct 03 2010 at 9:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) True. This is a possibility as well. But we can hope square wants them to hold off because of a patch, and not just "prease dont kirr my sares, MUST WIN OR FAMIRY DIE"
#15 Oct 03 2010 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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This is good news, but POIDH? Where's the source.


I don't have the source, but this just means they want the player based economy to establish before proper reviews are published and it takes some time, but also makes the game more user-friendly when it happens.

I doubt it has anything to do with some massive surprise patch, although that's a good bonus.
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#16 Oct 03 2010 at 9:59 PM Rating: Good
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This is good news, but POIDH? Where's the source.


I don't have the source, but this just means they want the player based economy to establish before proper reviews are published and it takes some time, but also makes the game more user-friendly when it happens.

I doubt it has anything to do with some massive surprise patch, although that's a good bonus.


a massive surprise patch in the next few weeks is far more likely than the 'player based economy' becoming smooth and effective.
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#17 Oct 03 2010 at 10:01 PM Rating: Default
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a massive surprise patch in the next few weeks is far more likely than the 'player based economy' becoming smooth and effective.


Only in the sense that space aliens are more likely to exist than Santa Claus.
#18 Oct 03 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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really, any patch that has an AH and normalizes skill points per mob a bit, would make alot of people happy.
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#19 Oct 03 2010 at 10:11 PM Rating: Default
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a massive surprise patch in the next few weeks is far more likely than the 'player based economy' becoming smooth and effective.


Actually, the player based economy becoming smoother and more effective than before is more likely than a massive surprise patch.

We are getting a patch in few weeks, either way.
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#20 Oct 03 2010 at 11:12 PM Rating: Good
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Probably hadn't cleared internal testing. The game was rushed to meet a deadline, classic Tanaka flubbing. Square really should fire him, but they have an issue with getting rid of their bad managers.

I see that you have a bit of an agenda against Tanaka, so I probably shouldn't bother, but this is really baseless.

Tanaka didn't set the release date, and we have no idea how much he might have internally protested the decision to rush it.

Or maybe he was gung-ho for it, and he's been doing coke in the back room for the last five years. My point is that there's zero evidence either way.
#21 Oct 03 2010 at 11:19 PM Rating: Good
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Tanaka didn't set the release date, and we have no idea how much he might have internally protested the decision to rush it.

A trend i identified while working for such corporations : The stupider the idea that got done, the higher up the chain it came from. If a peon suggests something stupid, it's immediately shot down. If it's the owner of the studio, nobody argues (to his face).

So ask yourselves how stupid each choice in this game is, and you have a general idea what level of the chain was backing it. In the case of 'early release', I think it smells of 'the guys holding the paychecks'.
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#22 Oct 03 2010 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Tanaka didn't set the release date, and we have no idea how much he might have internally protested the decision to rush it.


It definitely wasn't Tanaka alone, but I can guarantee he was present when they were talking about the subject. Komoto too, probably.

However I think sides were picked and I'm sure Komoto would have waited longer before releasing the game. He's the director after all, and this game is his baby.

Tanaka seems like a cold businessman more honestly. He's the guy in charge of everything related to funds and resources.
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#23 Oct 03 2010 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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Probably hadn't cleared internal testing. The game was rushed to meet a deadline, classic Tanaka flubbing. Square really should fire him, but they have an issue with getting rid of their bad managers.

I see that you have a bit of an agenda against Tanaka, so I probably shouldn't bother, but this is really baseless.

Tanaka didn't set the release date, and we have no idea how much he might have internally protested the decision to rush it.

Or maybe he was gung-ho for it, and he's been doing coke in the back room for the last five years. My point is that there's zero evidence either way.
I don't have an agenda against Tanaka, but I can see where he is coming from, regardless of how effective as game developing team manager he can or can't be, the fact that someone in SE management randomly selected him to be the public face of FFXIV has been terrible for the game overall.

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#24 Oct 04 2010 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't have an agenda against Tanaka, but I can see where he is coming from, regardless of how effective as game developing team manager he can or can't be, the fact that someone in SE management randomly selected him to be the public face of FFXIV has been terrible for the game overall.


I like his methods better than someone hyping the crap out of the game and promising features that are not going to happen, or will happen 2 years from now during the development process.

He's not a marketing expert, that's for sure though. Not to say marketing experts would be any better at the job in the end.
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#25 Oct 04 2010 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Only in the sense that space aliens are more likely to exist than Santa Claus.


I'm going to assume you meant intelligent life which can be argued I guess but for ***** and giggles here are some links.

Link 1

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Anyways sorry for the derail.
#26 Oct 04 2010 at 1:36 AM Rating: Good
You guys seem surprised that the game wasn't polished when it shipped. All through the open beta, as we all know, any critique of a design decision (not a bug, but a design decision) was frequently (aka almost always) met by a slew of numpties defending it as beta. You can tell that people have no clue what goes into software design and testing when they think that sweeping changes can be made in a matter of a few weeks. You can also tell when they can't distinguish between a bug (ie. not working as intended) and a design decision (working as intende...what, you don't like it?) It's often (but not always) easier to find and fix bugs than it is to redesign significant portions of a software package. And the tricky thing about bugs is that sometimes you think you've fixed them and they're either still present or they simply manifest themselves in different ways and you're back to the drawing board trying to figure out what is going wrong.

Nothing I can do or say is going to stop the whining. Because that's what most of it is...whining. Sometimes you'll get someone pointing out something they maybe didn't know most others were aware of, or they're confused by something because it doesn't make sense but they don't realize it's a bug. Most of the time, however, it's people knowingly repeating what has already been brought up time and again and after a while it becomes a dominant trend. And it gets old. It's one thing to see it in the forums here, but where it's really starting to grate on my nerves are the grade A losers who think they're something cool and special when they go on and on and on about it while they're still logged in playing the game. We had another guy in LS chat tonight that went on a 15 minute critique of the game until I finally asked them if they were going to ***** about it all night or if he was going to let those of us who are enjoying it do so in peace, despite its blemishes and shortcomings.

What I'm not really liking is this attitude that if someone likes the game, obviously they're stupid or ignorant or flat out oblivious to the problems. 90% of my time in the game is spent crafting. I know all about the sluggish UI and clunky menus. When you're trying to assemble materials for a 5-6 item synthesis attempt from an inventory with no sort feature, it's hard not to notice that things would be easier if it could lump all the reg/+1/+2/+3s together, and put all the gear at the top and everything else below, etc.

Since my gladiator stopped getting shard drops from lowbie mobs at rank 13 I switched to thaumaturge to do my shard farming. It's a lot faster and easier to run just outside of town and slaughter for what I need than it is to cross half a zone to accomplish the exact same thing. So I also know all about mobs running away and healing for no particular reason. I know all about missing xp/skill points. I know the absolute tedium involved in browsing retainer wards. Sometimes I just need more shards than I can farm in a reasonable time frame so I saunter on down to the slave quarters to poke around and see what I can find and I normally last for about 15 minutes before my eyes start to get tired.

And I also know all about the issues with less-than-ideal PCs are encountering with the game, because I hear them carry on about it all the time while I'm doing my thing without the issues they're experiencing. It takes maybe 10 seconds for a full section of a packed retainer ward to load on my PC once I zone in, less when I move around from one area to the next within the ward. It's so easy to distinguish between issues that stem from lag and those that stem from a sub-par PC, but the people with the dated machines are just so **** quick to blame SE. You've picked an expensive hobby. Deal with it.

And lastly, I know that the game has been in full official service for 5 friggin' days now, and if any one of you anxious twerps thinks that's anywhere near long enough for SE to have made the kinds of changes they know they need to make, then I leave you to your suffering. I'm actually enjoying myself quite a lot.
#27 Oct 04 2010 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Would be a little ridiculous to quote his post, but...

Thank you, Aurelius. Call this post worthless, but I don't think much more needs to be said than that.
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