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#1 Oct 03 2010 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
I haven't really seen this discussion on the forums anywhere so I want to ask, those who have been getting out there and grouping with others, how does that work exactly? Now what I mean isn't really how you group together as in what each person's role is... What I mean is how physical levels come into play. I'm a Rank 13 Conjurer with a Level 19 Physical. Now say I want to level Gladiator now, which is Rank 1. A friend of mine is a Rank 4 Conjurer, Level 12 Physical. Can we team up and take on enemies that will give us both a decent amount of EXP for our classes? What if I want to join a bunch of other new people who have Ranks and Levels of 1? How does my physical level affect their EXP and our choice of enemies? When I've tried with just my friend (I went GLA 1, he was GLA9.) I noticed I took on alot more damage (Since our armor apparently scales own based on your job rank.) but the enemies fell pretty quickly and I couldn't get next to nothing on XP be it physical or class.

I'm not sure if somewhere in here is SE's idea of a broken level sync or whatnot, but how does it all work? I'm getting overly confused trying to figure out what levels I should be looking for in parties if I wanna level a low ranked class. Thank you.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 10:44pm by SamusKnight

Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 10:45pm by SamusKnight
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#2 Oct 04 2010 at 2:46 AM Rating: Default
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In order to gain rank xp, you got to do action. the more action you do the more rank xp you will get.
so assuming your friend is 10 lv higher than you and he is a DD.
when you enagage a mob which is too easy to him, he will kill the mob before you can do anything..in this case you get liitle to no rank xp....bt if the mob is hard to him and he take quite a bit of time to take him down,you will have chance to do action thus gaining rank xp.
as for physical xp... dont seem to have any effect...at least IMO

Hope this helps...
#3 Oct 04 2010 at 2:55 AM Rating: Decent
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keithkerin wrote:
In order to gain rank xp, you got to do action. the more action you do the more rank xp you will get.
so assuming your friend is 10 lv higher than you and he is a DD.
when you enagage a mob which is too easy to him, he will kill the mob before you can do anything..in this case you get liitle to no rank xp....bt if the mob is hard to him and he take quite a bit of time to take him down,you will have chance to do action thus gaining rank xp.
as for physical xp... dont seem to have any effect...at least IMO

Hope this helps...


Can this be broken/abused?

Can your friend tank the mob but not hit it while you spam cure on him for a couple min then he 1 shots it?
#4 Oct 04 2010 at 3:01 AM Rating: Decent
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no, because you have to be able to hit it for 1 and the aggro system in this game is bugged and it is fairly hard to keep aggro.
#5 Oct 04 2010 at 3:08 AM Rating: Decent
keithkerin wrote:
In order to gain rank xp, you got to do action. the more action you do the more rank xp you will get.
so assuming your friend is 10 lv higher than you and he is a DD.
when you enagage a mob which is too easy to him, he will kill the mob before you can do anything..in this case you get liitle to no rank xp....bt if the mob is hard to him and he take quite a bit of time to take him down,you will have chance to do action thus gaining rank xp.
as for physical xp... dont seem to have any effect...at least IMO

Hope this helps...


Honestly it doesn't really help a great deal... But if I understand correctly regarding the physical, you're pretty much saying I can join anyone at any level as long as my class's rank is close to theirs and won't really damage their EXP? There's a few classes I haven't leveled (Lancer, Gladiator, Pugilist) I've thought about joining friends to level. Thing is for some of them they just started and my physical level is far beyond theirs. I don't really wish to one-shot everything using a rank one job.

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 2:08am by SamusKnight
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#6 Oct 04 2010 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Nope it cant be abused... mages and archer gain hate very quickly... if your friend is not keeping the hate.. the mob will turn to you..
provoke and taunt does not does not keep the hate for long...

and nope it not a bug...if your tank cant keep the hate on himself then basically he fail big time as a tank,
assuming the mage and archer know how to control dmg and does not nuke and nuke like there no tomorrow...
mage and archer always give out the highest hate in FF.

think it this way ...

if you are a mob.. who do you hate more? some one who can punch you bloody hard and can heal other ppl but you punch them even harder (archer/mage)or someone who punch you like a baby and you punch him like a baby(tank)...

if you ask me...i had join a physical lv 22 rank 12 pug and a physical lv 20 and rank 15 lancer with me as a physical lv 14 and rank 9 conjurer..the physical exp does not seem to be affecting me alot...even if it does...physical exp / lv can be gain by other means..E.g crafting which can easily net you 1k ++ physical exp..

as for rank exp...basically you got to be doing something...the more things you do in a single battle give you more rank xp.
example :

you are a mage.you are throwing cure at your injured party and casting support spells when your party effect goes off.. you can easily received the cap 500 rank xp

similarly

you are a mage.you goes AFK and does nothing...you only gain physical exp but NOT rank exp.



Edited, Oct 4th 2010 9:12am by keithkerin
#7 Oct 04 2010 at 6:52 AM Rating: Decent
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IMO

Physical lv affect your status... but rank lv is the one that is very impt.
even if you have high physical lv ... the moment you switch to a lower rank class.. you will see a very big different..

remember this... at a lower rank class..your dnt have the luxury of action points, your equipment will not be as optimum as the higher rank class...you dont have the necessary skills...and all your skills are not at their optimum...
#8 Oct 04 2010 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only SamusKnight wrote:
What I mean is how physical levels come into play. I'm a Rank 13 Conjurer with a Level 19 Physical. Now say I want to level Gladiator now, which is Rank 1. A friend of mine is a Rank 4 Conjurer, Level 12 Physical. Can we team up and take on enemies that will give us both a decent amount of EXP for our classes?
What if I want to join a bunch of other new people who have Ranks and Levels of 1? How does my physical level affect their EXP and our choice of enemies? When I've tried with just my friend (I went GLA 1, he was GLA9.) I noticed I took on alot more damage (Since our armor apparently scales own based on your job rank.) but the enemies fell pretty quickly and I couldn't get next to nothing on XP be it physical or class.

I'm not sure if somewhere in here is SE's idea of a broken level sync or whatnot, but how does it all work? I'm getting overly confused trying to figure out what levels I should be looking for in parties if I wanna level a low ranked class. Thank you.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 10:44pm by SamusKnight

Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 10:45pm by SamusKnight


The simple answer is yes. You can team yup and not alter your physical or class xp gain significantly, as long as you are willing to make some concessions.

The right answer however is a little more complicated. At that high physical level, if you are fighting lower level mobs (intended for say people under 10 physical/class level) you will gain almost no class xp. That's because class xp gain is determined by a super secret formula every time you perform an action. Actions that can trigger class xp gain are ANY action you can perform, even actions that you have equipped from other classes.
I.E. you can gain gladiator xp for casting thunder, so long as you can get it equipped.

The issue in this specific case is that your damage/survivability is not entirely based on class rank, but on physical rank and how you distributed your points. At 19 physical and if you have spent some points into vitality for instance you will more than likely have 400-800 hp switching to rank 1 gladiator. You may have spent most of your points into Int or Piety for instance as you leveled Conjurer. This your make your thunder/fire/aero/etc. one shot mobs. You would be loosing the ablity to AOE since you switched to non maging class however. In addition you would be hitting hard enough to one or two shot mobs, which would cause miniscule class exp gain if at all for you and the rest of the group.

Often in groups i find that mobs are dead before most group mates can finish a cast or two even doing higher rank 5 star leves. This stacks against casters as they ether over-nuke or heal once and die due to the interesting hate mechanics.

The BEST thing i've found is to team up with people that are not interested in quick kills. Especially for non-levequest groups. Leve groups are all about getting it done fast and at the highest star rating for the bonuses and are not a good way to gain any class xp. To gain class xp concentrate on surviving long enough to be able to use 2-3 abilities during the fight and you'll see a significant increase in class xp gain during and at the end of the fight.

Switching from 13 Thaumaturge to 1 Conjurer i was able to gain 400-500 class xp killing mobs that could barely scratch me, just by casting poison, and occasional heal/main hand weapon ability. That is not doable in full groups as stuff dies way too quickly or people are getting one shotted by the mobs. Either way you are not going to be fighting long enough to gain any significant class XP.

This is all based on the camps up to and included the lvl 20 ones so it is entirely possible that it changes at higher ranks.

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