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#1 Oct 04 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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The CE:
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XIV-Collectors-Pc/dp/B003O6EFKI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1286228710&sr=8-1

The SE:
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XIV-Pc/dp/B002I0JJ2U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1286228710&sr=8-2

Yeah, it was $40 a few days ago, but then it jumped back up to $48 unexpectedly. But then there were 0 reviews in for the SE and the CE only had a few ratings, and was around 3 stars.

Things have gotten a lot worse in the past few days. I don't see anyone buying these on Amazon.

Does anyone here work at a retailer? Have you had customers complain about the game or try to get their money back (I realize that's against policy at most stores, wisely)? If so, I expect this to be pulled from shelves soon, although I saw 3 collector's editions at Best Buy on Saturday.

It seems like if it weren't for the console release we could immediately declare this an APB.

Could it go console-only, if there are too few PC subscribers and maintaining two ports for an unpopular MMO becomes too costly?
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It's the same game with the same servers for the most part so the cost difference won't be that much to matter. If FFXI didn't make the jump to PC only despite the PS2 being well past it's final days (it really is--with the exception of new eroges coming out) then I highly doubt XIV will make the jump to PS3 only.
#3 Oct 04 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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It was released too early, no one will ever convince me of that.

However... one reviewer said it took "minutes for cutscenes to load". Seriously? I'm on pretty much minimum settings and they take a few seconds.

A lot of what is said on Amazon reviews isn't true. Take it with a pinch of salt.

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#4 Oct 04 2010 at 4:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Could it go console-only, if there are too few PC subscribers and maintaining two ports for an unpopular MMO becomes too costly?


It won't go console only, they still support ps2 on XI as was said although good luck trying to buy it anywhere. I think they have been really arrogant and thought no matter what everyone would just lap this up cause it looks nice, that only goes so far unfortunately for them. The more time goes on with no comment on fixing stuff the more bad the game looks, not even the ps3 release may save it soon. The game has a horrible word of mouth reputation and when that happens new players coming in are already expecting the worst and inevitably find it with that state of mind, quitting shortly after.

FFXIV was supposed to be the new hope for the company to carry on their MMO cashcow, this could flop and die well before FFXI now. On one hand I want them to turn this around cause I want to enjoy the game, on the other I want them to go down in flames for their outright arrogance.
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Whoa, hang on now...
This is final fantasy we're talking about.. It's not going to "flop and die" so don't spread FUD...

The design of the game itself is very solid. If they fix the technical problems with servers crashing, GUI lag, and "target is already engaged" I think the game would really start to pick up steam..

It could very well be that the GUI lag and the "target is already engaged" might be due to their servers running with 100% logging and all debugging symbols compiled in so when it does crash they'll be able to harvest enough meaningful data out of the crash report to fix the real problems..

I've worked with a lot of open source applications for Linux and I can tell you that in "debug mode" most code runs at only about a fraction of the performance because it has to collect far more information that would normally be discarded just in case an exception is thrown you can see exactly what lead up to it.

In fact, if I were SE, I would absolutely be logging every thing every user is doing since it would be so helpful to track down the cause of these "Server program errors" that keep happening daily. Not 100% sure this is what SE is doing, but considering the servers have had the same performance since Beta debugging, it does seem to me this is what they're doing.. They're still collecting data like mad.. Everything that every player clicks on is likely getting recorded by the server and stored. That's another reason why they would have the "software cursor" is because most debugging symbols use software cursors so you can get information about the cursor in your debug log so you can see if button press events were triggered by the cursor or by the keyboard/gamepad.. Long-term, they're probably not going to need any of that. They've already replaced the software cursor with a hardware cursor and once the server are stable, server side debugging symbols & excessive logging would be the next to go.

Yes, I think this game is still "beta" quality. I don't think anybody disputes that. If you don't like it, come back next month.


It's likely not as simple as "just fix the lag / GUI delays" or "just buy more servers" or "just spread the people out more across the servers".. Most likely they can't right now until they figure out what/who is causing their servers to crash.. It may only be happening due to interactions/events that may only happen in highly crowded areas under very weird/unexpected conditions.. IMO, the server crashes have got to be SE's #1 priority right now, I just can't imagine it done any other way.



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Unfortunately, in this day and age of MMORPGs, "Come back next month" will never happen. I could list the recent games that weren't able to get a foothold in the beginning and failed because of it. Unless things start to change and rather quickly, this game will be added to that list. People aren't going to wait around for a company with a decade worth of MMO experience to get their act together. I don't blame them.
#7 Oct 04 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Likibiki wrote:

However... one reviewer said it took "minutes for cutscenes to load". Seriously? I'm on pretty much minimum settings and they take a few seconds.


lol. What, was he running it on his ipod? My computer was $600 three years ago and even I can play FFXIV on low settings. ;>_>
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#8 Oct 04 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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People aren't going to wait around for a company with a decade worth of MMO experience to get their act together. I don't blame them.


This pretty much summs up the Amazon reviews and for that matter the complaints on this and other sites. SE isn't some newbie software company, they should know better than putting out a game in this condition, mmo or not.

As for the lag being debug induced, I'm not entirely convinced this isn't true. Unfortunately if so, this isn't the time for debugging. If SE has such little confidence in their system they should have extended Open Beta for another month. I was perfectly ok being a bug tester for SE (although they obviously didn't take any advice from beta players) in Open Beta. Once I put down 50~70 USD for a copy of the game and start paying $15 a month to log in my expectations change dramatically.

It's been a little over a month since Open Beta began and the game feels essentially the same in terms of frustrating UI and chat/seeking/marketplace issues. All the while SE has been simply too silent, this is after all their biggest release in ages and they are all no-see, no-hear, no-say.
#9 Oct 04 2010 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I tried to return mine to Gamestop today on a prayer. No dice of course. Its an unused copy and I have to return it because they never bothered to put anywhere that p2p was required to patch and use the game, and p2p is totally blocked for me. I now have a software refund request "under investigation"

if they don't do the right thing it will be the last $54.61 I ever spend on square enix products
#10 Oct 04 2010 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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a company with a decade worth of MMO experience

Can we stop saying this?
The ypadded and stretched one MMO out for a decade, most of the way ******* off and alienating everyone with their horrible stubborn attitude and mentality of "Making them spend more time is more important than their enjoyment". They have MMO experience of ONE game, how many years they ran it is irrelevant.

They are very inexperienced. This 2nd attempt is proving it so far.

So let's stop talking like they have so much glowing experience, and should know better. They don't know better, because they got away with doing whatever they wanted in FFXI until the last years when playercount got low and precious.
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#11 Oct 04 2010 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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a company with a decade worth of MMO experience

Can we stop saying this?
The ypadded and stretched one MMO out for a decade, most of the way ******* off and alienating everyone with their horrible stubborn attitude and mentality of "Making them spend more time is more important than their enjoyment". They have MMO experience of ONE game, how many years they ran it is irrelevant.

They are very inexperienced. This 2nd attempt is proving it so far.

So let's stop talking like they have so much glowing experience, and should know better. They don't know better, because they got away with doing whatever they wanted in FFXI until the last years when playercount got low and precious.
No, mainly because they've done a lot of things better in FFXI than they did in FFXIV, and that shouldn't be the case. FFXIV should be the same or better than FFXI for each aspect of the game.
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#12 Oct 04 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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a company with a decade worth of MMO experience

Can we stop saying this?
The ypadded and stretched one MMO out for a decade, most of the way ******* off and alienating everyone with their horrible stubborn attitude and mentality of "Making them spend more time is more important than their enjoyment". They have MMO experience of ONE game, how many years they ran it is irrelevant.

They are very inexperienced. This 2nd attempt is proving it so far.

So let's stop talking like they have so much glowing experience, and should know better. They don't know better, because they got away with doing whatever they wanted in FFXI until the last years when playercount got low and precious.


I've never run an MMO, but I can tell when something just isn't working and what needs to be changed. They are a huge company, you'd think they would be able to figure it out. You think they'd get some research done before doing crazy ideas, and you'd think they'd have payed attention to what beta testers were saying and made adjustments in order to get a worthwhile product to market. What, they think they can **** on a platter and their fans will love it no matter what?
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jacquesbquick wrote:
I tried to return mine to Gamestop today on a prayer. No dice of course. Its an unused copy and I have to return it because they never bothered to put anywhere that p2p was required to patch and use the game, and p2p is totally blocked for me. I now have a software refund request "under investigation"

if they don't do the right thing it will be the last $54.61 I ever spend on square enix products


Calling you out on this nonsense post.

It's an unused copy? Did you open the box? Did you try to install the software? How did you realize that p2p was the technology used for patching, magic?

I'm sorry, but getting mad at square because you cannot access p2p is like getting mad at the beer store because you can't find any frosted glasses. These forums were once brimming with posts about utorrent and bittorrent tips for patching the beta. If you had bothered to sit down and do five minutes of research you could of saved your money. You have no one to blame but yourself.


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What, they think they can **** on a platter and their fans will love it no matter what?


Final Fantasy XII and XIII say "**** YES!"

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Cerilius wrote:
jacquesbquick wrote:
I tried to return mine to Gamestop today on a prayer. No dice of course. Its an unused copy and I have to return it because they never bothered to put anywhere that p2p was required to patch and use the game, and p2p is totally blocked for me. I now have a software refund request "under investigation"

if they don't do the right thing it will be the last $54.61 I ever spend on square enix products


Calling you out on this nonsense post.

It's an unused copy? Did you open the box? Did you try to install the software? How did you realize that p2p was the technology used for patching, magic?

I'm sorry, but getting mad at square because you cannot access p2p is like getting mad at the beer store because you can't find any frosted glasses. These forums were once brimming with posts about utorrent and bittorrent tips for patching the beta. If you had bothered to sit down and do five minutes of research you could of saved your money. You have no one to blame but yourself.




You sound so ignorant. I don't know his situation but its very possible that all P2P including any type of torrents is blocked for him. At almost every University and College in the US this is the case. Don't call others out when you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Cerilius wrote:
jacquesbquick wrote:
I tried to return mine to Gamestop today on a prayer. No dice of course. Its an unused copy and I have to return it because they never bothered to put anywhere that p2p was required to patch and use the game, and p2p is totally blocked for me. I now have a software refund request "under investigation"

if they don't do the right thing it will be the last $54.61 I ever spend on square enix products


Calling you out on this nonsense post.

It's an unused copy? Did you open the box? Did you try to install the software? How did you realize that p2p was the technology used for patching, magic?

I'm sorry, but getting mad at square because you cannot access p2p is like getting mad at the beer store because you can't find any frosted glasses. These forums were once brimming with posts about utorrent and bittorrent tips for patching the beta. If you had bothered to sit down and do five minutes of research you could of saved your money. You have no one to blame but yourself.




You sound so ignorant. I don't know his situation but its very possible that all P2P including any type of torrents is blocked for him. At almost every University and College in the US this is the case. Don't call others out when you have no idea what you are talking about.


Are you serious? Ignorance is based on a lack of knowledge. It wasn't long ago this forum was brimming over with posts about utorrent/bittorrent patching methods because p2p provided via the original patcher posed problems for some. P2P is practically the de facto standard out there because it removes a huge amount of bandwidth overhead for companies delivering patches and content. You can get upset at me all you want over this immutable truth; but the fact is he was ignorant of this knowledge.

And *gasp*, if he actually invested a little bit of effort, he could find direct download links of the patches!

http://windows7themes.net/download-final-fantasy-xiv-patches.html

Voila, five minutes of effort render fruit for those who could not be bothered and rather whine all day on these forums. Try getting your patch via those links and then try again.
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I dunno. It's not like FFXIV is completely unsalvageable but...

All I know is that I had a lot more fun playing early FFXI.

My first day of playing FFXI was spent wandering around Windurst and getting to know the layout of the place. Loved the music, and was able to find a few newbie quests which had cute story cutscenes attached to them. The menu was a bit cumbersome at first, but there was no UI delay and your mog house worked perfectly as storage and a home for your very own Moogle. It was heavily populated outside, which meant you had to travel kind of far from town to find monsters to kill, but there really was plenty, and it was fun because you had those super-aggressive Garuda wandering around that you had to be wary of. Edge-of-your-seat stuff. You didn't really need to party at an early level, but I did for the fun of it. We were joking around while fighting and exploring. It was a very enjoyable experience, even if a little rough around the edges.

My first day of playing FFXIV was spent mostly struggling with the patch until I did what most others did and torrented it. Once I finally got to playing, I explored Limsa Lominsa and was wondering where all the quests were. Is this a Final Fantasy game? There's the main story quest, but after that you do "kill x monsters" Leves. Although functional, Guildleves are... uninspired. I found myself fighting with the clumsy, unresponsive UI all day, and still do. Went out to have some fun killing baddies, but ran into the "already engaged" bug a few times, other player's Guildleve monsters that I couldn't attack and didn't know why, and carrying a keyboard conversation while fighting is impossible for me. Changing gear takes forever, making macros takes forever, using your retainer takes forever, watching your equipment disintegrate unfortunately does not take forever.

I keep hearing that FFXI had a rough start as well, yes it did, but it felt adventurous, it had charm, and most importantly, it really felt like Final Fantasy. This is not nostalgia overwhelming my recollection, here. We can talk about the shortcomings of FFXIV until we're blue in the face, but the one that bothers me the most, the absolute most is:

It lacks soul.

Cut-and-Paste zones, a lack of quests, clunky chatting and linkshell procedures, slogging through delay in everything you do, jobs that don't really feel like jobs anymore, and enough grinding to confuse it with a Korean game. Put in an Auction House, great we all want that, but I contend that this game is fundamentally broken. It needs an Everquest 2-style overhaul where they just say ***** it, this didn't work, let's listen to the players and make this right. Yeah, I know, not much of a chance.

I will continue to give this game a shot. I waited fricking years for this thing to come out, updated my computer, and spent $75 just to get it a week earlier. I have too much invested (and not just in money) in this game to give up in a couple of weeks. But what a shame.
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Whoa, hang on now...
This is final fantasy we're talking about.. It's not going to "flop and die" so don't spread FUD...

The design of the game itself is very solid.


Stopped reading this here. If you're going to make such a bold statement, perhaps you should provide the evidence to support the claim first. So far we have a release that came out of the box minus many, many things that went into their first MMO that began 8 years ago. Granted that out of a monumental list of problems the majority are smaller, fixable issues... You still can't point to 'solid design' when we're missing so many elementary features.

I agree that it will probably not flop and die. Too much money invested and too many people willing to suffer through these problems. I can't fault people sticking up for SE either given that they've created some of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I have ever had. With all that said, they still need to realize that this is the second poor product they have released under the FF franchise, the second consecutive FF title not living up to it's legacy.
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Stopped reading this here. If you're going to make such a bold statement, perhaps you should provide the evidence to support the claim first. So far we have a release that came out of the box minus many, many things that went into their first MMO that began 8 years ago. Granted that out of a monumental list of problems the majority are smaller, fixable issues... You still can't point to 'solid design' when we're missing so many elementary features.

I agree that it will probably not flop and die. Too much money invested and too many people willing to suffer through these problems. I can't fault people sticking up for SE either given that they've created some of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I have ever had. With all that said, they still need to realize that this is the second poor product they have released under the FF franchise, the second consecutive FF title not living up to it's legacy.


I'd argue third, but otherwise agree.
#20klepp6761, Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 11:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i love the people that say "thi sis the last $ i'll ever spend on square enix products" LOL no it f'ing isnt LOL. they release a big highly marketed rpg next month in time for christmas and you'll be all over it like white on rice.
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Going back to add one letter would be too much effort, but typing an entire sentence to explain why you won't do it isn't?
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i love the people that say "thi sis the last $ i'll ever spend on square enix products" LOL no it f'ing isnt LOL. they release a big highly marketed rpg next month in time for christmas and you'll be all over it like white on rice.

After XII, XIII, and XIV, I'm not willing to give SE the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Something happened at that company, and it wasn't for the better.
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i love the people that say "thi sis the last $ i'll ever spend on square enix products" LOL no it f'ing isnt LOL. they release a big highly marketed rpg next month in time for christmas and you'll be all over it like white on rice.

After XII, XIII, and XIV, I'm not willing to give SE the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Something happened at that company, and it wasn't for the better.
I still liked 12 and 13. A good warning for FFXIV was FFXI, though. The same problems with the dev team carried over from one game to the next, just as I really hoped they wouldn't. The only difference right now is that Komoto has said he wants to interact with the community more, except he hasn't actually done anything to show that.
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i love the people that say "thi sis the last $ i'll ever spend on square enix products" LOL no it f'ing isnt LOL. they release a big highly marketed rpg next month in time for christmas and you'll be all over it like white on rice.


Not everyone is as big a tool as you are. Generalizing from self is a bad habit.

10 blew, 10-2 blew, 11 blew, 12 was meh, 13 blew, and now 14 blows. I'm keeping a wide berth from SE until I see heavy evidence that they've gotten their **** back together.
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digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
What, they think they can **** on a platter and their fans will love it no matter what?


Final Fantasy XII and XIII say "**** YES!"

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I have to say that with XII I hated it at first but when I could make my party without the kids vann and penelo I actually started to like it. But with XIII. After I finished that god awful game I burned it so it couldn't hurt anyone else.

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#26zoltanrs, Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 1:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I would say to this: While that may be true you are on the FINAL FREAKING FANTASY 14 FORUMS RIGHT NOW SO CLEARLY THERE IS SOME KIND OF TOOL IN YOUR WALLET OR YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG GONE BY NOW! You're still a tool. That is all. Thank you for your time.
#27 Oct 05 2010 at 1:39 AM Rating: Good
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I dunno. It's not like FFXIV is completely unsalvageable but...

All I know is that I had a lot more fun playing early FFXI.

My first day of playing FFXI was spent wandering around Windurst and getting to know the layout of the place. Loved the music, and was able to find a few newbie quests which had cute story cutscenes attached to them. The menu was a bit cumbersome at first, but there was no UI delay and your mog house worked perfectly as storage and a home for your very own Moogle. It was heavily populated outside, which meant you had to travel kind of far from town to find monsters to kill, but there really was plenty, and it was fun because you had those super-aggressive Garuda wandering around that you had to be wary of. Edge-of-your-seat stuff. You didn't really need to party at an early level, but I did for the fun of it. We were joking around while fighting and exploring. It was a very enjoyable experience, even if a little rough around the edges.

My first day of playing FFXIV was spent mostly struggling with the patch until I did what most others did and torrented it. Once I finally got to playing, I explored Limsa Lominsa and was wondering where all the quests were. Is this a Final Fantasy game? There's the main story quest, but after that you do "kill x monsters" Leves. Although functional, Guildleves are... uninspired. I found myself fighting with the clumsy, unresponsive UI all day, and still do. Went out to have some fun killing baddies, but ran into the "already engaged" bug a few times, other player's Guildleve monsters that I couldn't attack and didn't know why, and carrying a keyboard conversation while fighting is impossible for me. Changing gear takes forever, making macros takes forever, using your retainer takes forever, watching your equipment disintegrate unfortunately does not take forever.

I keep hearing that FFXI had a rough start as well, yes it did, but it felt adventurous, it had charm, and most importantly, it really felt like Final Fantasy. This is not nostalgia overwhelming my recollection, here. We can talk about the shortcomings of FFXIV until we're blue in the face, but the one that bothers me the most, the absolute most is:

It lacks soul.

Cut-and-Paste zones, a lack of quests, clunky chatting and linkshell procedures, slogging through delay in everything you do, jobs that don't really feel like jobs anymore, and enough grinding to confuse it with a Korean game. Put in an Auction House, great we all want that, but I contend that this game is fundamentally broken. It needs an Everquest 2-style overhaul where they just say ***** it, this didn't work, let's listen to the players and make this right. Yeah, I know, not much of a chance.

I will continue to give this game a shot. I waited fricking years for this thing to come out, updated my computer, and spent $75 just to get it a week earlier. I have too much invested (and not just in money) in this game to give up in a couple of weeks. But what a shame.


I totally respect your post and agree with it, I felt like your telling my story.


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i love the people that say "thi sis the last $ i'll ever spend on square enix products" LOL no it f'ing isnt LOL. they release a big highly marketed rpg next month in time for christmas and you'll be all over it like white on rice.

After XII, XIII, and XIV, I'm not willing to give SE the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Something happened at that company, and it wasn't for the better.


Yeah, it was when Squaresoft merged with Enix.

One of the worst mergers in the gaming industry.
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After XII, XIII, and XIV, I'm not willing to give SE the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Something happened at that company, and it wasn't for the better.


I think a more mature version of tactics would bring FF back into play! I'm getting sick of this tactics advance BS.

But lets take a look at where the different strings of FF have gone.

Final Fantasy RPGs - From what I've seen, after 10, things started to go downhill. 12 and 13 weren't up to a lot of the fan's expectations.

Final Fantasy Tactics - Went from(in my opinion) a mature, well thought out battle system, with lots of replay value, to a kids version. Then it turned into a tower defense type game, which I'm actually pretty happy about.

Final Fantasy 7 - FF7 became a stand alone game, branching off in so many ways. The movie, Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, and even a little cameo in tactics. Do any of these match up to the original?

Crystal Chronicles - They took what would have been an enjoyable game(if you could find people with Gameboy Advances) and turned it into Crystal Bearers for Wii. Not to mention the two Wiiware games you could buy. Somewhat redeemable by the DS games, ring of fates and echoes of time.

Final Fantasy Online - They took 10 years of knowledge and experience, studied it, memorized it, then used is to wipe their ***. I can't help feel that they want to say, "Hey! This isn't Final Fantasy XI-2 you know!". I think they are taking everything they learned, and saying, "Well if we implement this, they'll say it's XI-2, and we don't want that." I mean, they even took the races and renamed them. We aren't stupid, we know they're the same races you used in XI. We're not complaining, stop trying to prove this isn't a sequel and fix what you already know how to do.
#30 Oct 05 2010 at 2:55 AM Rating: Default
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Moan Moan Moan? Why are any of you moaners still here if your not happy.

Cancel your account, stick your discs on Ebay and shut up.

SE is I am sure aware of all the problems and knowing SE will get them sorted. This is a NEW MMO. I hate some of the problems but I still love the game and hope the problems do get fixed early on and not later because it is annoying ME. But thats it.

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#31 Oct 05 2010 at 3:03 AM Rating: Good
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I loved the 12 tbh ( 6>7>12>4>rest>10-2=13 for me. 11 I class appart, spent 5full years on it lol) dunno what issue ppl had with it, the main char wasn't good (but ff10 main char were as bad if not worst)

In any case I'm having good fun with ff14 and cant find enough time to play. Most issue it has can be easily corrected and the stuff that can't be (graphic engine, craft and combat system mainly) are pretty solid.
Honestly, the cut/past graphism critic is a joke, saruta was beautiful but urgh la theine or tharongy canyon were hideous and didn't have much variety either.
No quest is a small issue, some can be added later. I'm not sure there were that many quest at the *** release of ff11 either (but some would have been nice)

anyway the game has a lot of potential, is still enjoyable to play today (could be better but what could not) and FF11 made a lot of progress during its life giving me good hope there will be progress in the 14 too.

As such I reniewed my subscription for 3 month already.



#32 Oct 05 2010 at 3:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sidicas wrote:


I've worked with a lot of open source applications for Linux and I can tell you that in "debug mode" most code runs at only about a fraction of the performance because it has to collect far more information that would normally be discarded just in case an exception is thrown you can see exactly what lead up to it.

In fact, if I were SE, I would absolutely be logging every thing every user is doing since it would be so helpful to track down the cause of these "Server program errors" that keep happening daily. Not 100% sure this is what SE is doing, but considering the servers have had the same performance since Beta debugging, it does seem to me this is what they're doing.. They're still collecting data like mad.. Everything that every player clicks on is likely getting recorded by the server and stored. That's another reason why they would have the "software cursor" is because most debugging symbols use software cursors so you can get information about the cursor in your debug log so you can see if button press events were triggered by the cursor or by the keyboard/gamepad.. Long-term, they're probably not going to need any of that. They've already replaced the software cursor with a hardware cursor and once the server are stable, server side debugging symbols & excessive logging would be the next to go.



This is implying that SE actually has good programmers. However every previous example of SE's coding has shown that they produce unmaintainable spaghetti code.

Square Enix is notorious for their poor coding practices. For example, when Eidos did the PC port of FF7 Square could not provide them with the final release source code or the original uncompressed FMVs, or even the original RGB tetxures because they had deleted everything to make room on their workstations for FF8 and had not archived anything Eidos had to make do with a copy of the beta source that someone had found laying around on an old hard drive (which Eidos's programmers described as "absolutely horrible") and the FMVs and textures from the PS1 disks. The code was so bad that Eidos pretty much had to decipher what it was doing and then re-write it from the ground up.



Edited, Oct 5th 2010 6:26am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#33 Oct 05 2010 at 5:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Oinari wrote:
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"Well if we implement this, they'll say it's XI-2, and we don't want that." I mean, they even took the races and renamed them. We aren't stupid, we know they're the same races you used in XI. We're not complaining, stop trying to prove this isn't a sequel and fix what you already know how to do.


But...if we take away the Galka's tails and make it so the rest can be any color imaginable, that makes them different races, right?

Right?

...No.

Seriously though, Elves will be elves, midgets will be midgets, and Neko Shoujo will be Neko Shoujo.

Couldn't help but agree that the games after FFXI have been somewhat lackluster compared to their predecessors.
We are really expecting FFXIV to break the trend, but the issue is it seems to be copying FFXIII's quest setup, and many of us do not like that. I am sure that, given half a year, it will be on par, if not better than, FFXI. The problem is most of the casual players the game is aimed at really don't have any patience when it comes to waiting.
That's what makes them casuals in the first place. FFXI's hardcore players have no problem waiting 3 hours for some mean old dragon to spawn that they will probably not even get the claim on. The casual players of..say WoW (since they have the largest percentage of casuals in any MMO I have seen) have problems waiting 30 minutes to get an instanced raid started.

One can only hope enough hardcore players stay with the game so it can survive long enough to get the changes it needs to keep the casuals busy.
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If the game doesn't improve a LOT since the last few days of beta, then it is indeed another ABP. Its missing core mechanics for any MMORPG these days (AH, transperant mechanics). Its not playable by a shockingly large number of people due to needing to have higher performing computers. And, quite frankly, its still a grind.

SE claimed this was a next generation game. Graphically, perhaps. The rest of it could have all been done 10 years ago. I'll check back in six months and see if any of this has been fixed. If it hasn't, this will be the first FF game ever that I haven't owned.
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#35 Oct 05 2010 at 5:56 AM Rating: Default
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you know what guys if only i could send out a message to the world grrrrr. its only just come out and its still a beta.

SE must have something up there sleeves because there is no news about this game apart from complainers that either played the game or is hearing bad news from forums.

like we all keep saying its a start and in about 3-6 months time and still nothing then thats when we can all complain.

we need that 1 hr server maintemce a day just so we can see them working on the game
#36 Oct 05 2010 at 6:23 AM Rating: Decent
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i love the people that say "thi sis the last $ i'll ever spend on square enix products" LOL no it f'ing isnt LOL. they release a big highly marketed rpg next month in time for christmas and you'll be all over it like white on rice.

After XII, XIII, and XIV, I'm not willing to give SE the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Something happened at that company, and it wasn't for the better.


It's called the merger with Enix.
#37 Oct 05 2010 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh please, you guys are horrible.

Don't put XI in with XII or XIII.

FFXI is the best FF ever to me. This is coming from a JRPG lover who beaten 6,7,8,9,10,12,13 and 1,2 on psp. Also almost all of Tales of (except the one on NDS because i don't own a NDS) and all Wild arms titles.

FFXI will always be #1 JRPG to me and it was the BEST MMORPG i ever played, consider i played max @ WoW (seriously threw it as soon i got expansion), lineage 1/2 (to a decent level and threw it out as well...), Asheron's call 1/2 (max on 2 but level 70 on 1), SWG (max level x2 character), DAoC (max level), AoC (level 80 and threw it out)... and few minor one like darkfall and shadowbanes.

However, none of the title can even come close to what FFXI offered me, You guys might think X! is horrible because you didn't have friends to play with. I had real life friends to play it for a while and it was simply amazing.
#38 Oct 05 2010 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
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wrongfeifong wrote:
Oh please, you guys are horrible.

Don't put XI in with XII or XIII.

FFXI is the best FF ever to me. This is coming from a JRPG lover who beaten 6,7,8,9,10,12,13 and 1,2 on psp. Also almost all of Tales of (except the one on NDS because i don't own a NDS) and all Wild arms titles.

FFXI will always be #1 JRPG to me and it was the BEST MMORPG i ever played, consider i played max @ WoW (seriously threw it as soon i got expansion), lineage 1/2 (to a decent level and threw it out as well...), Asheron's call 1/2 (max on 2 but level 70 on 1), SWG (max level x2 character), DAoC (max level), AoC (level 80 and threw it out)... and few minor one like darkfall and shadowbanes.

However, none of the title can even come close to what FFXI offered me, You guys might think X! is horrible because you didn't have friends to play with. I had real life friends to play it for a while and it was simply amazing.


No ones putting XI with them games. XI remains to be held in high opinion.
#39 Oct 05 2010 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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LyleVertigo wrote:
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i love the people that say "thi sis the last $ i'll ever spend on square enix products" LOL no it f'ing isnt LOL. they release a big highly marketed rpg next month in time for christmas and you'll be all over it like white on rice.

After XII, XIII, and XIV, I'm not willing to give SE the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Something happened at that company, and it wasn't for the better.


Yeah, it was when Squaresoft merged with Enix.

One of the worst mergers in the gaming industry.


Correlation is not causation.

Sure, it's popular to just blame Enix, but it's just not going to work when most of the franchise design staff remains the same and the flaws in the post-merger games are mostly continuations of trends that have existed in the franchise since at least 1997.

Seriously, you could tell something was going wrong just from Spirits Within, which not only preceded the merger, it actually delayed it.



Anyone who honestly believes that the merger with Enix is what ruined the franchise is blinded by nostalgia or simply not paying attention.
#40 Oct 05 2010 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I remember Spirits Within, it was an awesome movie in terms of plot and graphics, but it didn't make anywhere near its production value in America because not enough people went to see it. The English dubbing wasn't very good, either. If it had been a Pok'emon or Yu-gi-Oh movie, kiddies would of been all over it, regardless of flaws in the dubbing script.
#41 Oct 05 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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Uryuu wrote:
I remember Spirits Within, it was an awesome movie in terms of plot and graphics, but it didn't make anywhere near its production value in America because not enough people went to see it. The English dubbing wasn't very good, either. If it had been a Pok'emon or Yu-gi-Oh movie, kiddies would of been all over it, regardless of flaws in the dubbing script.


Visuals were nice, but dangerously uncanny-valley-esque for most viewers.

Plot was asinine, ludicrous, and pretentious - about on the same level as a typical summer blockbuster with some Gaia-theory ******* thrown on top.

The voices were not dubbed - the English voices are the original performances.
#42 Oct 05 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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WTF is up with all the hate for FFXIII?

I think it is an awesome game. Great battle system and excellent story. Who gives a flying frack if you cant run around in circles visting town after town!! Every RPG dosnt have to be the same **** over and over again.

Also FFXI was a great MMO and it lasted quite a while longer than many others that came and went, in fact it is still going quite well right now.

As for FFXIV, I am severely dissapointed and glad the open beta allowed me to realize this game just is not ready to buy right now. Maybe next year, but maybe not because by then SWTOR will be out and if it is a polished game it will get my money over this crap of a game that FFXIV is now.
#43 Oct 05 2010 at 12:06 PM Rating: Default
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Warcraft fanboys murder every new MMO at release. This game runs much more solid than WoW did when it launched. It's not a bad game, the player base makes it sound bad. No one is making you play it and all these QQ threads about how bad it is are getting old really fast.
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