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#1 Oct 04 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
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How much longer can you guys possibly defend this terrible game?

From everything I have read and seen, FFXIV is a complete failure. I, like many others, saw the problems and lack of fixes in beta, but everyone just kept saying, "It is beta, wait for release".

Well the game is released, nothing was fixed, and people hate it. I read far more people writing "I really want to like this game", than I see people saying they like it. Is it really a good game if folks have to try to force themselves to like it and play?

The price of the game has already dropped to $40, and it is not even on the shelves in bulk anymore at most game stores. This is the time when folks that were waiting for the first reviews would be making their purchases, and they aren't buying it so the price is dropping like a rock. Maybe I will buy it from the bargain bin at Office Depot for $5 in 3 months.
#2 Oct 04 2010 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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If I like it already and things that do annoy me are getting fixed... so how could it get worse? If you don't like the game, why do you feel the need to try to convince everyone else not to like it?
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well 60% of those people aint played it yet like yourself so how can you not know without seeing it for your self. its still beta and i think its better then what most people think apart from what ive explained in my other threads.
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to OP STFU the game is only out for not even a month now live. everyone got spoiled by xi and its 2 years of work befor we played it. no mmo on launch is ever perfect, thats why theres patchs. im tired of these topics and everyone needs to use the fourm search and just add on to the other threds on this similer topic.


as for the game its self yes it needs work but over all its great, right now i just work on makeing money for when AH gos live and enjoy the game for what it is.

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 7:13pm by valeforheya1984
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#6 Oct 04 2010 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
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the posative points and potential for good things in ffxiv by far outweigh any current negatives, so defending the game is easy as long as you consider things with a level head and reasonable demands. things are being fixed daily, and theres no reason to think otherwise.


the only flaw that really hinders gameplay is the ui lag, and to think that this issue wont be addressed is rediculous.
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#7 Oct 04 2010 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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Did we really need another one of these threads? <that's a rhetorical question, do not answer it>

I dislike this game, I don't defend it, but I still play it (in hopes of it improving), and I'm still really getting sick of all these threads.
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The game isn't a complete failure. The players who like Economy MMOs are enjoying it. For now, I'm finding parties fairly often, so I'm also enjoying it (even though the UI is buggy). I'm sure my fun will diminish once I hit a certain level, when repairing my gear at the NPC costs more than I can make by completing leves and selling drops to the NPC. Hopefully by then they will implement an AH, and fix the UI problems.
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Most people I see on this generally defend MMOs in general when it comes to launch.
Look for reviews and forums posts for MMOs on their first month of release. Almost always theres more problems/complains during the BETA and initial month.

With that said though SE did make some bone headed decisions. (No item sorting anyone?)
The really big issue with the game to me is that it doesn't hand hold it's players well at all.


Most people who want to play a FF game are not always MMO players or they're used to WoW.
The other players are ex FFXI players as well. Regardless of which group you're in a game designer should assume that the player level is casual.(as they have stated it's gear toward them)

What this means is they should provide detailed and well explain tutorials via interaction with the game. Not a Book/Journal you read at the Atheryite(sp?).

In FFXI it was very common to see people asking how to do 'X' with only to wait for 'y' answer. this game is the same you have to rely on WIKIs and the community just to learn how to play the game properly. This to me is the biggest weakness to the game.

It's not very inviting to new players to MMOs or even veterans of MMOs.

So as far as issues during the first month thats fine. ALL MMOs have that issue. But as far as presentation... thats something they did do poorly in my opinion.

Hopefully they fix that as well.


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the only flaw that really hinders gameplay is the ui lag, and to think that this issue wont be addressed is rediculous.


imo thats and the overall lag is probly the 1st thing SE will fix if i was to bet on it.

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Did we really need another one of these threads? <that's a rhetorical question, do not answer it>


but i wana answer, no we dont need another but the OP felt we did. must be a troll imo

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#11 Oct 04 2010 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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People either want the game to be the greatest thing ever creating a cultural revolution or they want it to crash and burn horribly. I think its human nature.

The truth is, the game has a lot of a good foundation and some interesting ideas. It has beautiful graphics. It is familar enough to draw in XI players and different enough to keep them interested.

It also has serious UI issues that should never had made it out of the design stage. Some performance issues are currently unacceptable and the game reeks of being shipped out too early.

Either way, I believe XIV will have a strong enough following to warrant its continued existenance and improvements for many years to come. It will not become the "WoW killer" everyone is waiting for, and chances are with how often MMOs are being released, suiting different play styles, no game ever will be.
#12 Oct 04 2010 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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Pepsi is better then Coke.

convince me otherwise.

It's just a matter of taste or preference. I like XIV why? I love the crafting system. I've hated crafting in all other MMO's i've played. However XIV crafting is like crack to me. I like the people I play with. While most of us are here from nostalgia of XI it's fun to be reconnected with those lost friends.

I play with a gamepad. I don't care that its difficult to navigate with KB/M. My solution was simple and I suggest it to anyone who feels the UI to clunky. It's much easier to work with the gamepad.

It's a new world and over time it will change, I don't care that it's limited now, I know in the future it will be epic. I want to experience the changes to come, not come in on it years later.

Now let me ask you this: Why do you feel it's necessary to try to bring the game down and deter people from playing it who could otherwise try it themselves and form thier own opinion? Or do you feel you're doing a service in potentially saving a stranger $40 bucks who might end up feeling the same as you, but on the flip side you might scare away a person who finds this game appealing.

So until people like you stop bawling about how you hate the game, I'll continue to say how I'm enjoying the game. Simple as that.
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...How about we stop talking about good/bad on the general forum (take it to feedback if you have an issue) and start discussing other aspects of the game. Seriously Mods, you really need to get the whole "This game sucks!" or "This aspect of the game blows!" under control...these forums have gone down to Jerry Springer levels and I'm really missing the old alla days...

You guys are still the best site, I just feel like the forums are devolving into something you'd find on Bluegartr or killing ifrit anymore.
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#14 Oct 04 2010 at 5:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't feel the need to defend the game to anyone. I'm having fun, I love playing every night, I'm always finding interesting things to do. I cant wait to get to the next part of the story line and I cant wait to see what changes they make and other content they add.

I don't know why I have to defend the game from you, if you don't like it don't play it. It really is that simple.
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#15 Oct 04 2010 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Vawn43 wrote:
Either way, I believe XIV will have a strong enough following to warrant its continued existenance and improvements for many years to come. It will not become the "WoW killer" everyone is waiting for, and chances are with how often MMOs are being released, suiting different play styles, no game ever will be.


thank you for showing me not everyone in this world thinks everyone will like the same thing.
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#16 Oct 04 2010 at 5:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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MerylStryfe wrote:
...How about we stop talking about good/bad on the general forum (take it to feedback if you have an issue) and start discussing other aspects of the game. Seriously Mods, you really need to get the whole "This game sucks!" or "This aspect of the game blows!" under control...these forums have gone down to Jerry Springer levels and I'm really missing the old alla days...

You guys are still the best site, I just feel like the forums are devolving into something you'd find on Bluegartr or killing ifrit anymore.


I think the light moderation is better, just because you disagree doesn't mean people should be silenced. I know it gets tedious, but it is very easy to see what this thread is about by the title, so you can just pass by it if you want Smiley: smile

I think the class and server forums can offer more discussion like what you're looking for.
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#17debodeebs, Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 5:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) **** of with the wow comparisments. ff is not wow its ff. if ur a wow fan **** of to there forum if not stop using the dam word. and for those that read before play go buy the dam game and see for your self.
#18 Oct 04 2010 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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my favorite is when people go "well FFXI didnt have an auction house when released either!" its funny cuz any professional company wouldnt repeat the same mistake twice. "yeah lets release this game with not only no auction house, but a retainer system thats only 1% as user friendly as an auction house and convince ourselves its equal to one."
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First of all how can the game get worst, since patches are being added daily which improves the game (from stability and bug issues), so the topic in itself is retarded. Secondly, if you haven't even played the game and is going by what you read then that is not a smart decision. Forums are made up of more people that dislike or complain about the game more then people that like the game. If you like the game you have no incentive to go on a forum (other than to look up information), as you would probably be playing the game and enjoying it. If you don't like things however people have the incentive to go on forums and complain, in hopes of getting it changed, which is why forums is made of complaint after complaint, even though some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining.

All that put together, a rational player would realize that this is a new MMO launch. There will always be problems at launch with new MMOs, and you should hold final judgment of the game to least until 6 months to a year after release. Whether you play or not during that 6 months is up to you, but if you do decide to pay and play, you should realize that the game will be rough around the edges during that time period. The game as it is now is still very enjoyable even with many bugs (which is too be expected).

The things I see many people complain about are things that will be fixed soon, and is not the core of the game
For example, I see people complain about Anima regen and the teleport system, but if you actually play the MMO with other people (and stop soloing everything), anima becomes a non issue because teammates can teleport you as well. The more people you play with, the more anima you have. Then of course other forms of transportation will be added, that is a 100% fact. Chocobos and stuff will be in the game.

Another one is there not being a AH but an AH also wasn't in FFXI true release and it still worked. There will be an AH, it just isn't added yet and that again is a very fixable thing that will be changed in the near future.

Most of the complaints are things like these, things that will easily be fixed and rather quickly.

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to OP STFU the game is only out for not even a month now live. everyone got spoiled by xi and its 2 years of work befor we played it. no mmo on launch is ever perfect, thats why theres patchs. im tired of these topics and everyone needs to use the fourm search and just add on to the other threds on this similer topic.


as for the game its self yes it needs work but over all its great, right now i just work on makeing money for when AH gos live and enjoy the game for what it is.



For the tl;dr crowd, just check the bold and underlined sentence.


I'm getting tired of the "it's a new MMO" defense.

Here's a list of acceptable problems for a new MMO:
- General lag.
- Bugs that can only be found through mass game play.
- Higher-level content not functioning as intended.
- Glitches that disrupt play in isolated cases.
- Server crashes in the first week or two.
- A cumbersome UI. (As long as the company recognizes the need for tweeks)

Here is a list of things that are not acceptable problems for a new MMO:
- "Party" system being a deterrent to partying because not everyone gets skill or experience points.
- Inability to find the item I need. I went into the market wards in each of the three cities a week after CE release on a hunt for Wind Shards. Three hours later I came out still with no wind shards. In that time, I could have farmed more than I needed. Maybe it's just the capitalism in me, but I just wanted to participate in the economy. I wanted to give someone gil in exchange for goods. But this comes back to the first point, this game is driving people into a single player experience with a chat function that barely works. "XI didn't have an AH when it started" isn't an acceptable counter point. It only serves to support my point. SE has learned by doing, supposedly, that an AH is needed. If the retainer system was the goal in XIV, why are we still without a search function? A game which is based on the interdependence of crafting classes like this needs an easy way to find what one needs. The lack of a search function is exactly why everyone is leveling the majority of DoH classes. Because at the end of the day, folks want to just sell some end-products, because a completed item is easier to market then a fraction thereof.
- A craft recipe design that encourages mediocrity. As a Blacksmith, Armorer and Goldsmith, I can make tools for most other DoH classes between 10 and 15 which are a major upgrade. But these recipes require Rank 21 materials from said classes. So one has to ask, if I can (read: have to) make it to Rank 21 with Rank 1 tools and weapons, why not 31? Heck, why not level cap? There needs to be a reasonable scale between when items can be used and when they can be crafted -- at least for the first 20 Ranks.
- Inability to sort either my inventory or that or my retainer.

Some of this would be acceptable from a budding developer earlier in the era of MMOs and online game play. But at this point in game development, after SE was been told about this for months from beta testers, I feel people have just cause to be growing impatient.

Some people have left for good. Some of us are hanging on, many I believe due to the free trail period, in hopes that our initial investment of $50-75 will be justified. That's the only reason I "play" right now. My last glimmer of faith is based on that by Oct. 21, SE will have done something to make me believe my $75 was a warranted expense and not money down the drain.

I was one of those "it's just beta" folks. Despite my years in XI, seeing how the players are ignored by SE, I had hope. Now when I log on, all I hear in my head is the exchange in Jurassic Park where Samuel L. Jackson says something to the effect of "We've got all the problems of a major theme park and a major zoo and we're not even on the feed yet."

SE obviously wanted to make a game different from XI, but XIV is lacking fundamental elements which serve to compound player's frustration with the typical post-release hiccups. It's like touting that you're designing a revolutionary First Person Shooter and the only difference between it and every other FPS on the market is that you've removed the guns from it.

Right now, XIV is a pretty and expensive crafting sim where you sometimes venture out to collect your own materials. I want to be wrong, but six years in XI tells me I'll be right when I say XIV isn't changing.


Edited, Oct 4th 2010 8:16pm by Sephrick
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Sephrick wrote:
valeforheya1984 wrote:
to OP STFU the game is only out for not even a month now live. everyone got spoiled by xi and its 2 years of work befor we played it. no mmo on launch is ever perfect, thats why theres patchs. im tired of these topics and everyone needs to use the fourm search and just add on to the other threds on this similer topic.


as for the game its self yes it needs work but over all its great, right now i just work on makeing money for when AH gos live and enjoy the game for what it is.



For the tl;dr crowd, just check the bold and underlined sentence.


I'm getting tired of the "it's a new MMO" defense.

Here's a list of acceptable problems for a new MMO:
- General lag.
- Bugs that can only be found through mass game play.
- Higher-level content not functioning as intended.
- Glitches that disrupt play in isolated cases.
- Server crashes in the first week or two.
- A cumbersome UI. (As long as the company recognizes the need for tweeks)

Here is a list of things that are not acceptable problems for a new MMO:
- "Party" system being a deterrent to partying because not everyone gets skill or experience points.
- Inability to find the item I need. I went into the market wards in each of the three cities a week after CE release on a hunt for Wind Shards. Three hours later I came out still with no wind shards. In that time, I could have farmed more than I needed. Maybe it's just the capitalism in me, but I just wanted to participate in the economy. I wanted to give someone gil in exchange for goods. But this comes back to the first point, this game is driving people into a single player experience with a chat function that barely works. "XI didn't have an AH when it started" isn't an acceptable counter point. It only serves to support my point. SE has learned by doing, supposedly, that an AH is needed. If the retainer system was the goal in XIV, why are we still without a search function? A game which is based on the interdependence of crafting classes like this needs an easy way to find what one needs. The lack of a search function is exactly why everyone is leveling the majority of DoH classes. Because at the end of the day, folks want to just sell some end-products, because a completed item is easier to market then a fraction thereof.
- A craft recipe design that encourages mediocrity. As a Blacksmith, Armorer and Goldsmith, I can make tools for most other DoH classes between 10 and 15 which are a major upgrade. But these recipes require Rank 21 materials from said classes. So one has to ask, if I can (read: have to) make it to Rank 21 with Rank 1 tools and weapons, why not 31? Heck, why not level cap? There needs to be a reasonable scale between when items can be used and when they can be crafted -- at least for the first 20 Ranks.
- Inability to sort either my inventory or that or my retainer.

Some of this would be acceptable from a budding developer earlier in the era of MMOs and online game play. But at this point in game development, after SE was been told about this for months from beta testers, I feel people have just cause to be growing impatient.

Some people have left for good. Some of us are hanging on, many I believe due to the free trail period, in hopes that our initial investment of $50-75 will be justified. That's the only reason I "play" right now. My last glimmer of faith is based on that by Oct. 21, SE will have done something to make me believe my $75 was a warranted expense and not money down the drain.

I was one of those "it's just beta" folks. Despite my years in XI, seeing how the players are ignored by SE, I had hope. Now when I log on, all I hear in my head is the exchange in Jurassic Park where Samuel L. Jackson says something to the effect of "We've got all the problems of a major theme park and a major zoo and we're not even on the feed yet."

SE obviously wanted to make a game different from XI, but XIV is lacking fundamental elements which serve to compound player's frustration with the typical post-release hiccups. It's like touting that you're designing a revolutionary First Person Shooter and the only difference between it and every other FPS on the market is that you've removed the guns from it.

Right now, XIV is a pretty and expensive crafting sim where you sometimes venture out to collect your own materials. I want to be wrong, but six years in XI tells me I'll be right when I say XIV isn't changing.


Edited, Oct 4th 2010 8:16pm by Sephrick


well said
#22 Oct 04 2010 at 6:23 PM Rating: Default
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To be honest I'm finding this game kind of enjoyable, it is quite fundamentally different from FFXI in terms of the ability to solo this game (at least for your low levels).

Due to the lack of AH, extreme difficulty to find even 1 piece of equipment and the ridiculous price tag it comes with sometimes, I've vowed to level my crafts enough to 1) Craft equipment by myself 2) Earn enough money to buy materials and other equipment which I cannot craft myself.

At first, I was kind of lamenting why oh why do I have to level crafts I felt like I was forced to.. but I soon realized crafting was actually necessary. Reason: Physical Level.

I found my Physical level to be flying when crafting, the amount gained is many many times more than mob fighting. Just for this reason alone, crafting became necessary and before I knew it, I'm actually high level enough in crafting to make some money.

In terms of mob fighting, I duo with my friend often, we explore alot and died alot (thank god for no exp loss). But as a duo we were actually having quite a bit of fun.

Now, this game really has its potential I feel, but there are some basic things that are annoying the **** out of me:

1. Lag, no matter how potentially fun or actually fun the game is, lag kills it. The graphic lags, the menu lags, the interface lags. Transferring stuff to and fro my retainer lags. Selling items to NPC lags.

2. Chat function. The word limit is ridiculous, everytime I hit enter after a line my inventory menu resets to the top.

3. Camera Control. I've tried really hard to get used to the IJKL thing, but really the most ergonomic position is the arrow pad. Why lock the arrows?

The game is fun, but the basic failures are killing it big time, please SE, do something about those...
#23 Oct 04 2010 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't feel the need to defend the game to anyone. I'm having fun, I love playing every night, I'm always finding interesting things to do. I cant wait to get to the next part of the story line and I cant wait to see what changes they make and other content they add.

I don't know why I have to defend the game from you, if you don't like it don't play it. It really is that simple.


This.

I have stopped defending the game on these forums after my karma took a smash for doing so.

I am enjoying playing. Sure the game has its issues and sometimes it frustrates me but I am having so much fun playing that I am happy to overlook the issues.

The problem with many of the complaints is that I simply dont agree with them - I dont mind that mob conning seems a bit unusual at times, it means that sometimes fights go south and require you to really focus on winning. The UI lag just doesnt seem as bad to me as some people seem to be experiencing. Group dynamics have always worked well for me (and I have spent most of my time in groups), Leve cooldowns seem fine to me, given that you can just group with LS mates to share and keep you pretty busy. I love crafting, and whilst it is a little random at times, that just makes the satisfaction all the greater when successful...I remember my first Hempen Cowl!!

irritating yes, rubbish no.

Lack of storage space and AH is annoying - but I can live with it.
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To be honest I'm finding this game kind of enjoyable, it is quite fundamentally different from FFXI in terms of the ability to solo this game (at least for your low levels).

Due to the lack of AH, extreme difficulty to find even 1 piece of equipment and the ridiculous price tag it comes with sometimes, I've vowed to level my crafts enough to 1) Craft equipment by myself 2) Earn enough money to buy materials and other equipment which I cannot craft myself.

At first, I was kind of lamenting why oh why do I have to level crafts I felt like I was forced to.. but I soon realized crafting was actually necessary. Reason: Physical Level.

I found my Physical level to be flying when crafting, the amount gained is many many times more than mob fighting. Just for this reason alone, crafting became necessary and before I knew it, I'm actually high level enough in crafting to make some money.

In terms of mob fighting, I duo with my friend often, we explore alot and died alot (thank god for no exp loss). But as a duo we were actually having quite a bit of fun.

Now, this game really has its potential I feel, but there are some basic things that are annoying the **** out of me:

1. Lag, no matter how potentially fun or actually fun the game is, lag kills it. The graphic lags, the menu lags, the interface lags. Transferring stuff to and fro my retainer lags. Selling items to NPC lags.

2. Chat function. The word limit is ridiculous, everytime I hit enter after a line my inventory menu resets to the top.

3. Camera Control. I've tried really hard to get used to the IJKL thing, but really the most ergonomic position is the arrow pad. Why lock the arrows?

The game is fun, but the basic failures are killing it big time, please SE, do something about those...
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[quote=Enscheff]How much longer can you guys possibly defend this terrible game?

From everything I have read and seen, FFXIV is a complete failure. quote]

Dont believe the hype.

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I actually find that most people in my LSs play, while often grumbling about the game, and what they'd like to see get better. Mostly the same comments as on this board, but civilly instead of the usual internet arguing/bashing.
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Wint wrote:
I don't feel the need to defend the game to anyone. I'm having fun, I love playing every night, I'm always finding interesting things to do. I cant wait to get to the next part of the story line and I cant wait to see what changes they make and other content they add.

I don't know why I have to defend the game from you, if you don't like it don't play it. It really is that simple.


I think people are making all these complaint threads because they know SE is listening to its player base now. With enough complaints changes will be implemented. :)
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- A craft recipe design that encourages mediocrity. As a Blacksmith, Armorer and Goldsmith, I can make tools for most other DoH classes between 10 and 15 which are a major upgrade. But these recipes require Rank 21 materials from said classes. So one has to ask, if I can (read: have to) make it to Rank 21 with Rank 1 tools and weapons, why not 31? Heck, why not level cap? There needs to be a reasonable scale between when items can be used and when they can be crafted -- at least for the first 20 Ranks.


now this part i strongly aggree needs to be fixed, whats the point of haveing to get lv 30 craft to make a lv 11 item for it (weaver cotten stuff that needs canves)
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#30 Oct 04 2010 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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I can't even tolerate signing on to do the leves anymore. I'm giving it a break until they release a content patch to fix these issues.

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[quote=Enscheff]How much longer can you guys possibly defend this terrible game?

From everything I have read and seen, FFXIV is a complete failure. quote]

Dont believe the hype.

For every hate filled post on the internet there are 100 people online playing the game and loving it. THis is the problem with internet forums- there is always a vocal minority who are over-represented!




If you think the people who are complaining that this game needs tons of fixes before they hunker down and make a good long investment on subscriptions are in the minority then you are sadly mistaken.
#32 Oct 04 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Default
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How much longer can you guys possibly defend this terrible game?

From everything I have read and seen, FFXIV is a complete failure. I, like many others, saw the problems and lack of fixes in beta, but everyone just kept saying, "It is beta, wait for release".

Well the game is released, nothing was fixed, and people hate it. I read far more people writing "I really want to like this game", than I see people saying they like it. Is it really a good game if folks have to try to force themselves to like it and play?

The price of the game has already dropped to $40, and it is not even on the shelves in bulk anymore at most game stores. This is the time when folks that were waiting for the first reviews would be making their purchases, and they aren't buying it so the price is dropping like a rock. Maybe I will buy it from the bargain bin at Office Depot for $5 in 3 months.


First: Why are you here? Do you think you have some duty to deter people from playing a game that you have deemed "a complete failure" without even playing it post-release?

Was it ever on the shelves in bulk? I don't think it was. Amazon is selling it for $48.21. Some re-sellers are selling it for $40. I see this all the time for products. I don't know how people re-sell a new version of something for less than the regular price, but it's not like this is unique to FFXIV. Gamestop is still selling the regular version for $49.99. The price isn't dropping like a rock.

I played in closed beta and open beta, beginning July 13. Many of the problems were fixed. Not all. I'm annoyed that there's no search for market wards, no player search, and no delivery box, among other things. I'm still logging in every day and enjoying it. I'm not forcing myself to like it. I genuinely look forward to logging in.

Why would you pick up a game from a bargain bin that you will then have to pay for monthly?

Again, why are you here? If you think the game is a failure, go away. It's that simple. Walk away and find something you enjoy. You don't have to burden yourself with an attempt to persuade the people who are playing to not like it. If we're enjoying it, let us enjoy it. If we're just idiots playing a game we hate, let us be idiots. It's of no concern to you.

Edit: And, yes, most of the people enjoying FFXIV are busy playing the game. We make a few posts on occasion, but the only ones with the time to post a ton of things are those not playing it. Therefore, most general things will be negative. It was that way on the beta forums, too.

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Seriously Mods, you really need to get the whole "This game sucks!" or "This aspect of the game blows!" under control...

"Yeah mods, Stiffle unpopular opinion! All must appear to be perfect, no uncomfortable truths shall be spoken here! Those who speak against my will must be silenced. Heil hitler!!!!"

/extreme sarcasm off

There wouldn't be so many complaints if these weren't extremely important problems. The threads will go away when the problems go away. Stopping the threads is nothing but censorship, and covers up problems which leads to them not being fixed. Yes SE probably gets the message by now, but the more these threads appear, the more they remember they need to work on them ASAP. Silence about it would just lead to them dragging their *** on it, thinking "it's not that big a priority, they don't talk about it anymore. Let's add a bell emote to the game."

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#34 Oct 04 2010 at 8:43 PM Rating: Decent
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[quote=Enscheff]How much longer can you guys possibly defend this terrible game?

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Dont believe the hype.

For every hate filled post on the internet there are 100 people online playing the game and loving it. THis is the problem with internet forums- there is always a vocal minority who are over-represented!




If you think the people who are complaining that this game needs tons of fixes before they hunker down and make a good long investment on subscriptions are in the minority then you are sadly mistaken.


And yet server populations are higher than SE anticipated they would be. And i bet most of the people here insulting the game continue to log on after the first month. Personally, I hope not - I would prefer if the QQ'ers went back to WoW and left this game to those that want to play.
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#35 Oct 04 2010 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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to OP STFU the game is only out for not even a month now live. everyone got spoiled by xi and its 2 years of work befor we played it. no mmo on launch is ever perfect, thats why theres patchs. im tired of these topics and everyone needs to use the fourm search and just add on to the other threds on this similer topic.


as for the game its self yes it needs work but over all its great, right now i just work on makeing money for when AH gos live and enjoy the game for what it is.


I agree with this sentiment -- not the spelling -- but certainly the sentiment.
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"it's not that big a priority, they don't talk about it anymore. Let's add a bell emote to the game."


lol. Didn't expect the ol' bell slammer!
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"Yeah mods, Stiffle unpopular opinion! All must appear to be perfect, no uncomfortable truths shall be spoken here! Those who speak against my will must be silenced. Heil hitler!!!!"

/extreme sarcasm off]

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 10:43pm by RattyBatty


You got this the wrong way around. It is only if you like this game that you get rated down on this site. Positive opinions are not allowed and will be karma bombed! Personally, I have tried to stop defending the game. I enjoy it, that is all that really matters. Most people QQ'ing are either running trash machines, havent played the game, or havent yet worked out how to play the game.

Seriously, those complaining about grouping where their highest job is level 12 are just a waste of time.

I was in a party of 6 the other day that was forming in Gridania to go and exp grind in one of the dungeons (I forget the name). We saw a shout from someone wanting a party and I was about to invite when one of the other party members said - "no dont - he is one of the QQ'ers from ZAM". Not my words but that speaks volumes about one of the people who constantly complains that he cant get a party. I wonder why?
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#38 Oct 04 2010 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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How much longer can you guys possibly defend this terrible game?


APB is a terrible game. FFXIV is a decent game that has room for improvement; but it is an enjoyable game due to the concepts and the customization you can achieve in it. You are welcome to your opinion, but you are trying to impress a hatred of the game, for whatever reason, upon people who are likely coming to these forums looking for other types of information.

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From everything I have read and seen, FFXIV is a complete failure. I, like many others, saw the problems and lack of fixes in beta, but everyone just kept saying, "It is beta, wait for release".


I've seen someone lay fault on SquareEnix because the ISP at their campus (presumably) doesn't allow P2P. I mean, seriously? Then I read some general comment like this, and it's just the same old toxic folks trying to rewrite history. Even a cursory knowledge of the game and it's transition from open beta to live would reveal that SE has *greatly* improved the UI response times. Does that qualify as an improvement?

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Well the game is released, nothing was fixed, and people hate it. I read far more people writing "I really want to like this game", than I see people saying they like it. Is it really a good game if folks have to try to force themselves to like it and play?


See my above comment, and note that it was a pretty huge gripe people had on the forums. Including myself.

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The price of the game has already dropped to $40, and it is not even on the shelves in bulk anymore at most game stores. This is the time when folks that were waiting for the first reviews would be making their purchases, and they aren't buying it so the price is dropping like a rock.


So? Servers are well populated across the board. You make an assertion based on price only but there is quantifiable evidence out there that there are lots of people out there, right now, enjoying the game.

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Maybe I will buy it from the bargain bin at Office Depot for $5 in 3 months.


Oh, so you didn't buy the game. So, whats the plan now? Are you going to continue posting here until you avail the Office Depot of your presence in three months? I'm sure they appreciate the company of a big spender like you.



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And yet server populations are higher than SE anticipated they would be. And i bet most of the people here insulting the game continue to log on after the first month. Personally, I hope not - I would prefer if the QQ'ers went back to WoW and left this game to those that want to play.


For love of God Hallie your constant Wow bashing was old 4 months ago, give it a rest.
Fine we get it but give it a rest.

Oh and btw like I've said before that whole "Go back to Wow" bit did wonders for Vanguard.
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HallieXIV wrote:


And yet server populations are higher than SE anticipated they would be. And i bet most of the people here insulting the game continue to log on after the first month. Personally, I hope not - I would prefer if the QQ'ers went back to WoW and left this game to those that want to play.


For love of God Hallie your constant Wow bashing was old 4 months ago, give it a rest.
Fine we get it but give it a rest.

Oh and btw like I've said before that whole "Go back to Wow" bit did wonders for Vanguard.


I apologise for this comment but you must have me confused with someone else.

I have been a big fan of WoW for a long time, have 2 max level characters and have thoroughly enjoyed my time there. This game is not WoW which was the point of my comment - if you dont like this, go back to WoW.

How is that WoW bashing?
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And yet server populations are higher than SE anticipated they would be. And i bet most of the people here insulting the game continue to log on after the first month. Personally, I hope not - I would prefer if the QQ'ers went back to WoW and left this game to those that want to play.


Really? The server populations are a lot higher? That's why they added a grand total of............ one server? I guess business was so booming that they only needed on mega-server to help balance the load? Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees...

Only an imbecile believes that simply because people are complaining that they must have come from World of Warcraft.

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I apologise for this comment but you must have me confused with someone else.

I have been a big fan of WoW for a long time, have 2 max level characters and have thoroughly enjoyed my time there. This game is not WoW which was the point of my comment - if you dont like this, go back to WoW.

How is that WoW bashing?


Because WoW bashing is what over half of your posts end up being.

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HallieXIV wrote:
And yet server populations are higher than SE anticipated they would be. And i bet most of the people here insulting the game continue to log on after the first month. Personally, I hope not - I would prefer if the QQ'ers went back to WoW and left this game to those that want to play.


Really? Your server populations are a lot higher? That's why they added a grand total of............ one server? I guess business was so booming that they only needed on mega-server to help balance the load? Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees...

Only an imbecile believes that simply because people are complaining that they must have come from World of Warcraft.


Higher than SE expected, yes.

I imagine people came from many places but most of the critisms i have seen of this game relate to things it does differently to WoW, so yes I do think a signficant proportion of people complaining came from WoW. In fact, many complaints might as well say: In WoW they do it like this....so why is this game different?

I really cant understand why people who hate the game so much are wasting their money? I wish I could afford to waste money on things I hate!
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#43 Oct 04 2010 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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lock this thread please.
Obviously the OP is 100% a troll who don't even own this game.

You can read 100 negative post, but i personally found this game is 100% awesome.

For god saken, please help me with my addiction to this game already, i can't must log in 1-2 hour every day because there is so much to do!

I have all 3 system and my PC is mendicore and can run any game max setting on the market.

I didn't even touch any of the 3 system, wii, 360, ps3 even my psp after i got this. I have halo reach, dead rising 2 and i didn't even brother play them after played like an hour... FFXIV is so much fun if you know what you are doing.

I am going to play fable 3 when it come but Meh, i doubt it will keep me away from FFXIV. I have to CRAFTTTTTTTTTT and get that main quest done!!!!
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HallieXIV wrote:
And yet server populations are higher than SE anticipated they would be. And i bet most of the people here insulting the game continue to log on after the first month. Personally, I hope not - I would prefer if the QQ'ers went back to WoW and left this game to those that want to play.


Really? The server populations are a lot higher? That's why they added a grand total of............ one server? I guess business was so booming that they only needed on mega-server to help balance the load? Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees...

Only an imbecile believes that simply because people are complaining that they must have come from World of Warcraft.

HallieXIV wrote:
I apologise for this comment but you must have me confused with someone else.

I have been a big fan of WoW for a long time, have 2 max level characters and have thoroughly enjoyed my time there. This game is not WoW which was the point of my comment - if you dont like this, go back to WoW.

How is that WoW bashing?


Because WoW bashing is what over half of your posts end up being.

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 11:08pm by StrijderVechter


You dont answer the question and I guarantee you will not find one post from me bashing WoW. I like WoW. I have on one or two occasions (literally one or two occasions) spoken ill of the WoW community - but not the game.
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Boy, for all of you rating down those who agree with me, does it drive you nuts that you can't rate me down? Smiley: grinSmiley: tongue


I have come to the realisation that liking this game will get be karma bombed to oblivion. Also, words will be put into my mouth, assumptions made and my good name trashed. This is to be expected on internet forums filled with frustrated keyboard warriors.

Thankfully I am not so sensitive that such things matter to me.
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#47 Oct 04 2010 at 9:18 PM Rating: Good
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Boy, for all of you rating down those who agree with me, does it drive you nuts that you can't rate me down? Smiley: grinSmiley: tongue
Well I'd rather just not pay money to use this forum.

I was going to do this anyway though for a different reason.

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I really cant understand why people who hate the game so much are wasting their money? I wish I could afford to waste money on things I hate!
Because they bought the game expecting something fun and ran into a wall of bugs and poor design decisions? I don't know how you can't understand that. The people who are aware of the fact that the game needs a massive amount of work yet didn't bother to buy the game at release.

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#48 Oct 04 2010 at 9:18 PM Rating: Good
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Higher than SE expected, yes.

I imagine people came from many places but most of the critisms i have seen of this game relate to things it does differently to WoW, so yes I do think a signficant proportion of people complaining came from WoW. In fact, many complaints might as well say: In WoW they do it like this....so why is this game different?

I really cant understand why people who hate the game so much are wasting their money? I wish I could afford to waste money on things I hate!


I'm sorry, I must be seeing completely different threads than you. Most of what I'm seeing are complaints of fundamental functions that have been completely left out, an intuitive UI, a working chat function, a way to browse for goods in a heavy player economy. SE has done nothing but preach how they want community, community, community yet I'm having a real hard time connecting with the community in this game.

So where again are the WoW comparisons? Or is that just your way to dig on people that are to stupid to understand a 'complex' game such as this?
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For everyone who is completely blind, or hoping for change. The UI was setup to be compatible with the PS3. To think that actual changes will be made in the next six months is naive, even though I was hopeful. For the next six months or so, nothing will change, because they will need something standard to base a PS3 release for this game. In other words, the fanboys, the unsatisfied, everyone will be paying through the nose for this game, until the very end. Congrats to your -3 development skills.

The joke really is on the PC users. We bought the game first and try out everything. The PS3 cannot handle it yet, and so they get to explore why that is exactly. The game was designed for a console PS3 first and foremost and was released on the PC market first. The real joke will come into play, when it is finally determined that the PS3 cannot run the game successfully, no matter how they tweak the game settings. Maybe a PS4 is released, **** I don't know.
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Higher than SE expected, yes.

I imagine people came from many places but most of the critisms i have seen of this game relate to things it does differently to WoW, so yes I do think a signficant proportion of people complaining came from WoW. In fact, many complaints might as well say: In WoW they do it like this....so why is this game different?

I really cant understand why people who hate the game so much are wasting their money? I wish I could afford to waste money on things I hate!


I'm sorry, I must be seeing completely different threads than you. Most of what I'm seeing are complaints of fundamental functions that have been completely left out, an intuitive UI, a working chat function, a way to browse for goods in a heavy player economy. SE has done nothing but preach how they want community, community, community yet I'm having a real hard time connecting with the community in this game.

So where again are the WoW comparisons? Or is that just your way to dig on people that are to stupid to understand a 'complex' game such as this?


Im not sure what the problem is with the UI. It feels like an old skool RPG to me (which I like) and on my main rig I dont seem to get any lag to speak of (which I like). Admittedly, I cant play on my lap top which is a shame but there you go.

I have also really like the community ingame. I have duo'd and tri'od as well as been in full exp parties and generally my experience has been really positive. Perhaps thats because I dont spend my whole time slagging off the game. I cant imagine grouping with many people from this site - it would be painful.

I agree lack of search function is pretty bad, and not having an AH is a serious ommission - hopefully these will come soon.
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I really cant understand why people who hate the game so much are wasting their money? I wish I could afford to waste money on things I hate!


technically they've already wasted their money, and would just like to get more value out of it.


to chime in on the wow thing, Wow happened to have alot of things right. I for one think their AH system is the best I've seen in an MMO. However just because I think a game could benefit from an AH, stable XP/skill gains, and a much better repair system (3 things WOW has), doesn't mean I should go back to it, because I think literally everything else FFXIV offers is better. I'm really tired of the 'go back to wow' to anyone who dislikes even a portion of 14, it shows up in every like every thread.
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