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#1 Oct 04 2010 at 6:46 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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So that those who are enjoying the game can play in peace.

And no, the forum didn't need another one of these topics either. Carry on.
#2 Oct 04 2010 at 6:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Post in one of the 10,000 other existing threads jackass.
#3ThePacster, Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 6:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sounds like someone has a case of the crabapple mcnasties today.
#4 Oct 04 2010 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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Sounds like someone has a case of the posty **************
#5ThePacster, Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 6:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You can throw around vulgar words all day but its not going to hurt anyone's feelings. Sorry to disappoint you.
#6 Oct 04 2010 at 7:00 PM Rating: Default
The OP has a very valid point. If you're one of those people who think they're doing themselves or anyone else a favor by logging into the game and whining to the people around you or those in your LS about all the things you hate, be a sport and shut up. I don't mind a comment here or there about an aspect that someone is finding particularly frustrating at that moment, but there are an awful lot of twits who think sitting there logged in doing nothing and ******** incessantly are accomplishing something. Stop typing or log out. What kind of moron logs into something they don't like to whine about it?
#7 Oct 04 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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The OP has a very valid point. If you're one of those people who think they're doing themselves or anyone else a favor by logging into the game and whining to the people around you or those in your LS about all the things you hate, be a sport and shut up. I don't mind a comment here or there about an aspect that someone is finding particularly frustrating at that moment, but there are an awful lot of twits who think sitting there logged in doing nothing and ******** incessantly are accomplishing something. Stop typing or log out. What kind of moron logs into something they don't like to whine about it?


I personally believe that a great deal of the people who do these types of things really do want to enjoy the game. But I just wish that they could focus that energy into well thought out constructive criticism to put into the feedback forum where there is a greater chance of their opinions being heard than this part of the forums.
#8 Oct 04 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Default
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The OP has a very valid point. If you're one of those people who think they're doing themselves or anyone else a favor by logging into the game and whining to the people around you or those in your LS about all the things you hate, be a sport and shut up. I don't mind a comment here or there about an aspect that someone is finding particularly frustrating at that moment, but there are an awful lot of twits who think sitting there logged in doing nothing and ******** incessantly are accomplishing something. Stop typing or log out. What kind of moron logs into something they don't like to whine about it?


I personally believe that a great deal of the people who do these types of things really do want to enjoy the game. But I just wish that they could focus that energy into well thought out constructive criticism to put into the feedback forum where there is a greater chance of their opinions being heard than this part of the forums.


They don't even need to do that. They just need to shut up. SE knows about the biggest kvetches. Telling them again is going to accomplish approximately nothing. They're getting slammed left and right for the things broken or missing from the game. Now is the time for people to be patient. If there's something about the game they can enjoy, they should focus on that. If they can't find anything to enjoy, there's no point to them logging in. It's really that simple.
#9 Oct 04 2010 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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Opening is the worst it will ever be. As it is, I like it. So think how great it will be once the game gets on track.
#10 Oct 04 2010 at 7:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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They're getting slammed left and right for the things broken or missing from the game.
By who? The customers who are complaining. So why should people who don't like the game stop complaining if that's what's causing SE to want to address the problems? How does minimizing any negative feedback and telling everyone who has issues with the game right now to leave serve your interests?
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#11 Oct 04 2010 at 7:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't mind all of the bad threads. Are some threads unproductive? Sure. Not everyone is eloquent at saying what's on their mind. You take the good with the bad just like any other forum. My thing is that if no one raised any negative points about the game, I'd probably have sunk over $1k into overhauling my PC to get into this game. As it is, all of the negative posts have really hammered home why I shouldn't buy this game and have saved me a good deal of money.
#12 Oct 04 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Good
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Sounds like someone has a case of the posty mcstupidsh*ts.


I've been laughing for two minutes straight at this post.

i'm dying what have you done to me you witch
#13 Oct 04 2010 at 9:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Look, the OP makes a good point because constantly complaining about the same twelve things over and over again really isn't going to fix anything.
On the flip side, people do have reasons to complain. And each of those reasons can probably be countered by some other reasoning, and that could go back and forth for a while.
The best strategy right now would be for people who simply hate the game to stop playing, the people who like the game to post constructive threads (actually discussing gameplay and mechanics rather than complaining about them), and for people to have a little patience.
Call me naive, but I doubt very much the SE doesn't know about problems that exist in the game, or that they're not fixing them. I've played enough Square Enix and Final Fantasy games to know that they produce really good, solid games. I personally think too many people are trying to compare FFXIV to FFXI and other MMOs, which you simply can't do.

I say, at least for the month that we have free to play, let's enjoy the game however we have been and let it weed out the players who don't have the patience to play it. If nothing happens after that, ... then we might have a problem, haha.
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#14 Oct 04 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
They're getting slammed left and right for the things broken or missing from the game.
By who? The customers who are complaining. So why should people who don't like the game stop complaining if that's what's causing SE to want to address the problems? How does minimizing any negative feedback and telling everyone who has issues with the game right now to leave serve your interests?


I agree bsphil. And, if anyone is in anyway unhappy with this game, then I "again" propose that all spam square-enix, just like I have done. Even if you plan on never playing the game again, send a very detailed message about why the game does not justify a charge of ruffly $50.00 US and $13.00 subscription fee. I like playing the majority of the game, but it constantly has me on the fence of thinking the following "Wow, they really are wasting a lot of my time for so many interactions in this game. Is this the year 2010 or 2001?"

The other side of this is that it looks like they had artists from the current era, and programmers/IT specialists from 1997.
#15 Oct 04 2010 at 9:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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What kind of moron logs into something they don't like to whine about it?

The kind of moron that wasted 75 bucks for a broken game. I didn't play beta, knew nothing about it but I really liked FFXI. I'm the moron who assumed that a company would release a game with at least the base functionality and features of it's predecessor. I won't turn this into a rant -there are enough of them already- but the upset customers (and there are plenty of them) have a month free to play and I figure they'd want every opportunity they can get to complain about being rooked.

#16 Oct 04 2010 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good
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The other side of this is that it looks like they had artists from the current era, and programmers/IT specialists from 1997.
That's what makes it so sad. They do have a very good looking game. The art is fantastic for a MMO. The starting CS for Gridania was hilarious, I loved the characters. I was excited to see more. But around every corner I got hit in the face with bad design and poor programming. There's so much potential in the story, I hate to see it get ruined with terrible implementation.
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#17 Oct 04 2010 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Didn't even read the thread, but I think there's now officially more threads complaining about people complaining than there are actual complaint threads.

(Some one do that confused smiley for me at the end of my message since I don't have premium...)
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#18 Oct 04 2010 at 11:22 PM Rating: Default
bsphil wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
They're getting slammed left and right for the things broken or missing from the game.
By who? The customers who are complaining. So why should people who don't like the game stop complaining if that's what's causing SE to want to address the problems? How does minimizing any negative feedback and telling everyone who has issues with the game right now to leave serve your interests?


WTF does whining about it in game have to do with bringing it to SE's attention to fix? All it does is barf negativity all over the experience of people trying to enjoy it for what it is now while patiently waiting for SE to address things.
#19 Oct 04 2010 at 11:27 PM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
What kind of moron logs into something they don't like to whine about it?

One who feels they need to get the 50-80 bucks they spent out of it somehow? /shrug
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#20 Oct 04 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:

WTF does whining about it in game have to do with bringing it to SE's attention to fix?


I'd agree with that actually... which is why most people will go to a place like this, one of SE's premier fansites, which they've claimed to read.

As for the comment about "SE must obviously know about the problems" a few posts up, why would you think that when their "List of current known issues" released just a couple days ago listed "You can't macro-equip something with a + in it" exclusively. This tells me that either all the rest of this stuff isn't an issue in their eyes, or they don't know about it, because otherwise it'd be on the list of "known issues" wouldn't it
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#21 Oct 04 2010 at 11:38 PM Rating: Default
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
What kind of moron logs into something they don't like to whine about it?

One who feels they need to get the 50-80 bucks they spent out of it somehow? /shrug


You don't get immediate love from a 401K plan either. Doesn't mean you don't get your monies worth.
If the game doesn't ever get better, then sure, we all wasted money.
I can understand a lot of the frustration that people are having, but it's getting hard to see who has legitimate complaints, and who just has the "I want everything right now!" complaints. Believe me, there is a difference.

Fortunately, some of the people that really feel let down didn't buy the game yet. They will see it get better, and buy the game at a later date. Others rushed out because they want to play NOW, and didn't even flinch at the complaints people were posting.

Some of these people log into the game just to ***** about it. That isn't going to get SE to fix anything. All it does is make some guy feel better about his mistake, but also gets him B-listed in game. It's kind of like ******** at the checkout girl because the grocery store doesn't sell your favorite brand. It's barking up the wrong tree.

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It's bad enough now that unless a major patch is released during the free trial, I won't be subscribing. During beta I didn't think the game had enough going for it to subscribe, but then I -- through gratuitous use of forums and wikis -- began to understand the basic concepts of the game. Then I caught wind of the SE announcement that basically amounted to "We're changing all of the things you complained about!" After that I was enthusiastic. Those changes, however, haven't happened yet... nor has there been any indication of when they might be changed.

It's their prerogative if they want to release a paid beta on the back of the Final Fantasy IP -- hoping that brand loyalty will keep people in line -- but in this sort of climate and market, I can't see it doing much good. Cataclysm is releasing before the end of the year. Guild Wars 2 is coming out in the same time period as the PS3 release, as is the new Star Wars MMO. Players aren't as forgiving nowadays. There's much more competition for the MMO pie, and players have many options. ****, they didn't even milk the Final Fantasy IP for anything, seeing as the only throwback to the Final Fantasy lineage is that chocobo stables exist, even if we can't use them.
#24 Oct 05 2010 at 12:24 AM Rating: Good
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As for the comment about "SE must obviously know about the problems" a few posts up, why would you think that when their "List of current known issues" released just a couple days ago listed "You can't macro-equip something with a + in it" exclusively. This tells me that either all the rest of this stuff isn't an issue in their eyes, or they don't know about it, because otherwise it'd be on the list of "known issues" wouldn't it
As for that I'm actually thinking option C: They don't have a fix for those issues coming any time in the very near future. For whatever reason, they're still (I hope) working on fixing some of the same old bugs that have been there since April. Rather than repeat the same problems each time since they figure that they'll be on the next 'Current Known Issues', they're just not reporting them at all.

Don't know for sure of course, but that seems like the most likely methodology out of a developer like SE.
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#25 Oct 05 2010 at 12:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't worry, I could safely bet you a dollar for every single person above 500 on Istory come November 1st. I also may suggest any of the games by Gust Corporation (Atelier series, Ar Tonelico series) - they are all about crafting, don't require a $1000 PC to play, no monthly fees and much higher production standards than those of FF XIV. If haters so bother you then you can find a temporary refuge in any Atelier game till their hater accounts lapse.
#26 Oct 05 2010 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Teneleven wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
What kind of moron logs into something they don't like to whine about it?

One who feels they need to get the 50-80 bucks they spent out of it somehow? /shrug


You don't get immediate love from a 401K plan either. Doesn't mean you don't get your monies worth.
If the game doesn't ever get better, then sure, we all wasted money.


401k is a far, far reach from investing in your faith that SE will correct the issues that make this game unplayable. 401k will return regardless, but this game may not. I didn't spend a dime on this game. Played through alpha and beta and decided against purchasing this until they fix the issues that make it unplayable for me. So I'm actually benefiting more from not investing in this case.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#27 Oct 05 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Default
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:

WTF does whining about it in game have to do with bringing it to SE's attention to fix?


I'd agree with that actually... which is why most people will go to a place like this, one of SE's premier fansites, which they've claimed to read.

As for the comment about "SE must obviously know about the problems" a few posts up, why would you think that when their "List of current known issues" released just a couple days ago listed "You can't macro-equip something with a + in it" exclusively. This tells me that either all the rest of this stuff isn't an issue in their eyes, or they don't know about it, because otherwise it'd be on the list of "known issues" wouldn't it


Because they've already previously mentioned issues...in numerous interviews...that they plan to address. Did you think that because they only mentioned the HQ equipment that they had decided to scrap their plans to address everything else they've talked about? Or do you need someone to do your thinking for you?
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