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#1 Oct 04 2010 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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As the title suggests, I'm taking a month off(starting in about 5 minutes) from the General Forum for FFXIV, here on ZAM.

A month ago, the general forum was awesome, informative and generally pleasant. Right now, It's a pageful of "under 100 posts" posters complaining about a game I'm really enjoying, reiterating and rehashing the same exact topics 80 times a day. It sucks and becomes a headache for me when the only 2-3 threads on the first page I care to see are the stickies at the top.

The game has flaws, and will continue to have flaws for awhile. Alternatively, the game is also awesome and has the best graphics in the genre to date, and is currently meeting all of my expectations(aside from failed synths on hempen cloth, but maybe I'm just not meant to be a weaver. Maybe Nald'Thal has different plans for me).

I'm taking the month off(until the 5th of November). I know 99.9% of people reading this don't care what I do(make that 100%, because none of you know me from Lojack). I'm doing it for myself, and hopefully to make a statement(well, two statements):

1)Zam needs a forum dedicated to haters for each game, and it needs to be separate from the general category. Just as SE is doing everything they can to curb Gilselling in FFXIV, Zam needs to curb the troll/hate threads and keep them herded together. /move them, /lock them, /redirect them. Something to separate the hate from the love, because I come here to get information about a game I enjoy in my spare time, and I've done it for years on various MMOs and don't want to lose my Zam(it's my homepage when I start up Explorer or Firefox, darn it!)
2)If we stop feeding the trolls, they will die. I'm a firm believer in this. I'd like to see it done finally, once and for all.

I'm just as guilty as anyone over the last few weeks, feeding into the hate threads, but now my game is released, and I'm having a good time, meeting people in game, teaching people new to the genre, or new to SE's "mechanical differences".

I just want a place to chat about my MMO when I'm not in the MMO, without having to wade through pages of junk mail.

So, for the next month, I'm setting up residence in the Wutai forums, or the various class forums. Even if I happen upon a thread or link to a thread in general discussion, I am vowing not to post anywhere near the general forums.

I'm hoping others will follow and just let the haters post their threads with little to no responses. When that happens, those threads will sink to the bottoms of the threads pretty quickly.

And with a month of no food, TROLLS WILL DIE! =)

See you in a month(or in the class forums or Wutai forum!)

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 12:19am by ButterflyM
#2 Oct 04 2010 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
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/join ******* cry babies everywhere here, so disgusting, completely agree with your post.
#3 Oct 04 2010 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Wait for the avalanche of hate.

Haters gonna hate
Trolls gonna Troll.

See you back soon, until then, I'll see you on the Wutai forums or ingame where the thousands of other people having fun are.

Wutai FTW!
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#4 Oct 04 2010 at 10:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I hope you have a good time! I have made my fare share of threads... mostly against wow players that hate this game. So I apologize to you for having to see those. I hope you enjoy FFXIV away from Zam General forums. Be sure to keep checking the wiki's, databases, and such while your in your home of Wutai. I am sure many members such as myself are adding stuff to benefit all the many players that enjoy this game.

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2)If we stop feeding the trolls, they will die. I'm a firm believer in this. I'd like to see it done finally, once and for all.


lol, ok. I will stop. *sadface* Have fun on Wutai forums. just curious, (if you do end up reading this post) how full is the Wutai Server?
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#5 Oct 04 2010 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm reading this thread, just because I posted it and feel obligated some;)

From what I've read, Wutai is full or closed. I don't know for sure, because I haven't tried making a new character on there since the 22nd.

It seems like they've at least increased spawns of mobs since the standard release. I see mobs for killing everywhere, aside from the handful of rats around the exit from Limsa.

There's a good community on Wutai from what Ive seen. Aside from one or two people overcharging for shards(but then again, I don't blame them. There's no real standard for pricing yet, as the markets are fresh and young, and crafters save a lot of time by just buying shards <I've bought my fair share of lightning shards to save me the time mining and logging>).

If you come to Wutai in the near future, look me up. I'm sure I'll be hacking away at a tree somewhere;)

Van Hex ~ Wutai Server
Botanist ~ 14
Miner ~ 13
Conjurer ~ 11
Thaumaturger ~ 9
Marauder ~ 9
Armorer ~ 12
Blacksmith ~ 12
Goldsmith ~ 12
Weaver ~ 11
Leatherworker ~ 10
Carpenter ~ 9
Alchemist ~ 11
and other various junk not worth mentioning...yet;)
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I was thining of making a similar topic but seeing as all these other topics get rated up to all ****, and anyone who likes the game gets kharma bombed, I decided not to. But still, I planned to do the same thing. I keep coming here hoping to find the crazy math wizards from FFXI discovering things abotu the forumlas that I can't, or to find someones new discovery posted here. Instead its all hate and "guess what the amazon reviews say?" Oh well, be back when everyone's free month expires.
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I asked the Wutai people who still go to the General discussion to keep me up to date on stuff unrelated to FFXIV-bashing;) I'm sure they'll keep me updated.

That, and I have the main FFXIV page to check daily, for the big updates and stuff.

Other than that, I'm hiding from General, because I like FFXIV, and general has gotten off track for the most part.

Van Hex ~ Wutai Server
Botanist ~ 14
Miner ~ 13
Conjurer ~ 11
Thaumaturger ~ 9
Marauder ~ 9
Armorer ~ 12
Blacksmith ~ 12
Goldsmith ~ 12
Weaver ~ 11
Leatherworker ~ 10
Carpenter ~ 9
Alchemist ~ 11
and other various junk not worth mentioning...yet;)


Edited, Oct 5th 2010 1:23am by ButterflyM
#8 Oct 04 2010 at 11:24 PM Rating: Good
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The funny thing is that a copy pasta'd reply(yes, pun intended) is so fitting here...

If you don't like it, then don't participate. Anyway, if you're enjoying the game then this place is the last place you should be. Reach out to the people who are also playing and enjoying the game and discuss with them whatever you would normally come here for. Is the in-game community that lame that you would need to come here anyway? My guess is no, but I'm not sure why you seem so disgusted about this.
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#9 Oct 04 2010 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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The funny thing is that a copy pasta'd reply(yes, pun intended) is so fitting here...

If you don't like it, then don't participate. Anyway, if you're enjoying the game then this place is the last place you should be. Reach out to the people who are also playing and enjoying the game and discuss with them whatever you would normally come here for. Is the in-game community that lame that you would need to come here anyway? My guess is no, but I'm not sure why you seem so disgusted about this.


Since when should someone have to leave a forum dedicated to discussing the game in order to find people who want to discuss the game? Doesn't that strike you as a little odd?
#10 Oct 04 2010 at 11:28 PM Rating: Default
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
The funny thing is that a copy pasta'd reply(yes, pun intended) is so fitting here...

If you don't like it, then don't participate. Anyway, if you're enjoying the game then this place is the last place you should be. Reach out to the people who are also playing and enjoying the game and discuss with them whatever you would normally come here for. Is the in-game community that lame that you would need to come here anyway? My guess is no, but I'm not sure why you seem so disgusted about this.


Since when should someone have to leave a forum dedicated to discussing the game in order to find people who want to discuss the game? Doesn't that strike you as a little odd?



Exactly My response. Thank you, Aurelius, for saving me the time replying to that.

Van Hex ~ Wutai Server
Botanist ~ 14
Miner ~ 13
Conjurer ~ 11
Thaumaturger ~ 9
Marauder ~ 9
Armorer ~ 12
Blacksmith ~ 12
Goldsmith ~ 12
Weaver ~ 11
Leatherworker ~ 10
Carpenter ~ 9
Alchemist ~ 11
and other various junk not worth mentioning...yet;)
#11 Oct 04 2010 at 11:29 PM Rating: Good
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What's off putting to me is that nobody can sum up their snarky sarcasm in less than 500 words. It takes me a half hour to read a thread and then I feel dumber after I'm done. The one-upmanship on this board hurts my head. I wish people would stay on point if they're going to flex their e-peen.

There's a few good threads here and there but it only takes a few hours to understand all the reasons why people hate this game.
#12 Oct 04 2010 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I won't deny the fact that I've probably added to some of the crap that's on the general discussion forum. I admit it was a bad idea, but I'm relatively new here, so can I use that as an excuse? : P

Not feeding the trolls is really the best option. The lot of us should probably follow your example. I know I was probably going simply because I can't keep up with all the crap being posted right now, and the Lancer/Rabanastre forums are a lot less hectic.
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ArkWeldwin wrote:

Not feeding the trolls is really the best option. The lot of us should probably follow your example. I know I was probably going simply because I can't keep up with all the crap being posted right now, and the Lancer/Rabanastre forums are a lot less hectic.


I was on Rabanastre in Beta and enjoyed my time there:) I don't know what drew me to Wutai when the game went live, but I'm enjoying it:)

I did lancer in Beta, too, and really loved the class. I'll be picking it up again soon, once I clear my inventory up some from all the crafting I've been doing;)

Van Hex ~ Wutai Server
Botanist ~ 14
Miner ~ 13
Conjurer ~ 11
Thaumaturger ~ 9
Marauder ~ 9
Armorer ~ 12
Blacksmith ~ 12
Goldsmith ~ 12
Weaver ~ 11
Leatherworker ~ 10
Carpenter ~ 9
Alchemist ~ 11
and other various junk not worth mentioning...yet;)
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I have to admit most of the threads with people saying the game sucks are people who have less then 200 post so yeah you know they trolling heh.
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By that logic I have less then 200 posts and I mostly like the game so I must be trolling.
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
The funny thing is that a copy pasta'd reply(yes, pun intended) is so fitting here...

If you don't like it, then don't participate. Anyway, if you're enjoying the game then this place is the last place you should be. Reach out to the people who are also playing and enjoying the game and discuss with them whatever you would normally come here for. Is the in-game community that lame that you would need to come here anyway? My guess is no, but I'm not sure why you seem so disgusted about this.


Since when should someone have to leave a forum dedicated to discussing the game in order to find people who want to discuss the game? Doesn't that strike you as a little odd?

Not really? It actually makes perfect sense to me. In light of the fact that this game is not being well received here in the forums, don't you think a better target for an audience are the other people playing and enjoying the game? I'm not literally telling OP not to post here, just pointing out the irony of the situation. I just feel that anyone who is playing right now would benefit more from getting together with other people who enjoy it. You don't agree?

Jakarai wrote:
I have to admit most of the threads with people saying the game sucks are people who have less then 200 post so yeah you know they trolling heh.

So I literally just dinged 200 here, do I earn some sort of trolling wings or a card or something? Forgive my ignorance, but I wasn't aware of exactly how this works...

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 2:09am by FilthMcNasty
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#17 Oct 05 2010 at 12:10 AM Rating: Decent
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That makes sense, so anyone posting here play on Keashuan? Personally, I don't get why the hate is in general. That should be in feedback.
#18 Oct 05 2010 at 12:19 AM Rating: Default
FilthMcNasty wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
The funny thing is that a copy pasta'd reply(yes, pun intended) is so fitting here...

If you don't like it, then don't participate. Anyway, if you're enjoying the game then this place is the last place you should be. Reach out to the people who are also playing and enjoying the game and discuss with them whatever you would normally come here for. Is the in-game community that lame that you would need to come here anyway? My guess is no, but I'm not sure why you seem so disgusted about this.


Since when should someone have to leave a forum dedicated to discussing the game in order to find people who want to discuss the game? Doesn't that strike you as a little odd?

Not really? It actually makes perfect sense to me. In light of the fact that this game is not being well received here in the forums, don't you think a better target for an audience are the other people playing and enjoying the game? I'm not literally telling OP not to post here, just pointing out the irony of the situation. I just feel that anyone who is playing right now would benefit more from getting together with other people who enjoy it. You don't agree?


Can't do that, either. There doesn't seem to be anywhere you can go in the game where you're not confronted by mouthy dorks that think they're some kind of cool for logging in to stand around and ***** about how terrible the game is. Even when I'm off in the middle of nowhere depopulating a zone of its critters I still get it in LS chat.

The way the forums here are set up now, it's largely a waste of time to try and find any good, solid, reliable discussion on anything. A lot of the wiki articles are inaccurate, incomplete, or highly superficial. The decision was made to jump the gun and divide all of the crafting classes into their own sub-forums so you can't have a general discussion about crafting this or that because if you put it on the front page here, it's swept off to page 2 or 3 within a few hours behind the torrent of snivel and whine threads. And while this forum has more admins dedicated to it than any other game forum on the ZAM network, they're content to let the landslide of **** continue because many visitors = more ad revenue. I don't see too many people taking a look at what's going on in the general forums here and deciding to pay for premium access so they can have a pretty picture under their name, which means quantity trumps quality until the crybabies move on.
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Creating a forum for people that like the game and a whole different one for those that don't seems... I'm struggling for the correct word, but it isn't a good one.
A thread can be fun to read, informative and you can have a great discussion from people with vastly different opinions if it's worded correctly. Heck, 20 threads a day on the same topic would be a welcome blessing if each topic starter was able to constructively post their gripes in a well-worded way. I quite openly admit to not liking the game, but to put me in the same boat as "THIS SUCKS. F*** U SE!" is a little unfair.

It doesn't matter how many forums you have, you're going to have people that struggle to form a full sentence regardless of the topic. By putting everyone that loves the game over there, and everyone that hates the game over there then I dunno, it seems like you're trying to sweep its bad points under the carpet to live in a blissful wonderland... like North Korea. The 'Hate' forum becomes a naughty little secret and if you try to express your opinion elsewhere you're flogged by the others.
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
The funny thing is that a copy pasta'd reply(yes, pun intended) is so fitting here...

If you don't like it, then don't participate. Anyway, if you're enjoying the game then this place is the last place you should be. Reach out to the people who are also playing and enjoying the game and discuss with them whatever you would normally come here for. Is the in-game community that lame that you would need to come here anyway? My guess is no, but I'm not sure why you seem so disgusted about this.


Since when should someone have to leave a forum dedicated to discussing the game in order to find people who want to discuss the game? Doesn't that strike you as a little odd?

Not really? It actually makes perfect sense to me. In light of the fact that this game is not being well received here in the forums, don't you think a better target for an audience are the other people playing and enjoying the game? I'm not literally telling OP not to post here, just pointing out the irony of the situation. I just feel that anyone who is playing right now would benefit more from getting together with other people who enjoy it. You don't agree?


Can't do that, either. There doesn't seem to be anywhere you can go in the game where you're not confronted by mouthy dorks that think they're some kind of cool for logging in to stand around and ***** about how terrible the game is. Even when I'm off in the middle of nowhere depopulating a zone of its critters I still get it in LS chat.


But but but... FF community is supposed to be better than that! I agree, but I just figured it would probably be easier to find them online rather than here. If that is not the case then it's really disappointing.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#21 Oct 05 2010 at 12:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Creating a forum for people that like the game and a whole different one for those that don't seems... I'm struggling for the correct word, but it isn't a good one.
A thread can be fun to read, informative and you can have a great discussion from people with vastly different opinions if it's worded correctly. Heck, 20 threads a day on the same topic would be a welcome blessing if each topic starter was able to constructively post their gripes in a well-worded way. I quite openly admit to not liking the game, but to put me in the same boat as "THIS SUCKS. F*** U SE!" is a little unfair.

It doesn't matter how many forums you have, you're going to have people that struggle to form a full sentence regardless of the topic. By putting everyone that loves the game over there, and everyone that hates the game over there then I dunno, it seems like you're trying to sweep its bad points under the carpet to live in a blissful wonderland... like North Korea. The 'Hate' forum becomes a naughty little secret and if you try to express your opinion elsewhere you're flogged by the others.


It's not just that these forums are flooded with angry people complaining at the game, but they're an angry lynch mob karma bombing and often flaming the people who are actually enjoying it. WTF is wrong with a forum dedicated to discussing a game when you can't even express approval of certain aspects or a willingness to enjoy what you can while you wait for the changes without having a handful of haters come around and rate you down for it? Its a broken record. The biggest issues in XIV could be summed up in 5-6 bullet points yet it warrants dominating an entire forum to snivel about it? I don't think so. The people hanging out trolling and whining need to get a life. Obviously they don't have one if they'd rather sit around for hours either playing a game they hate or trolling forums whining about the game they hate.

It doesn't add up. There's no way to defend it. Its sad and lame and disappointing for those of us who have been vocal critics of SE for their past mistakes but chose to approach XIV with an open mind and, specifically, the experience in the genre + the maturity to recognize that the game was not going to be anywhere near polished at release but we chose to buy it and try it anyways.

All I know is that while countless others are sitting around the inn being no-life dorks complaining, I'm crafting my *** off and getting rich. And when the economy settles down and the dorks are either gone or sated to the point where they get back to the business of playing and enjoying the game, I'm going to stay rich, because I'm going to be making the **** they "need" for their characters...stuff they could have made themselves if they had spent more time playing and less time logging in to cry.
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I totally agree with you Butter!
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#23 Oct 05 2010 at 4:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Its not that hard to just skim over the posts of things u don't wanna read.
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On a side note I find it ironic that u call out people with under 100 posts when u just passed that mark yourself.
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yeah i try to be critical about things i dont like but it because i want see game be good and meet it potiental where sometimes i feel some others that post could not care about that and want to see it, for lack of a better word fail.
not just this forumn but many on the web can get a bit overdramtic about things they dont like but forget there are many people that love the game but are too busy enjoying it to go post on a forumn about it and same some companys just think oh big complaint about that maybe we should change this when it did not neeed changing. *cough devil may cry*
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while i appreciate the sentiment the OP speaks to, i really dont understand why some people keep insisting on the mods being the ones to police this stuff.

ALLAKHAZAM IS A SELF-POLICING ENVIRONMENT!

this is why we have rate-downs people! if youre tired of yet another sub-100 poster posting something derogatory about the game, then rate them the FUCK down! the reason i (and many, MANY others) like alla is exactly because it uses a light moderating touch. you, the poster, have it in your power to guide the direction of these forums. i took it upon myself (as i have in two previous games) to really give to the forum of the "main" job i play, in this case, marauder. i police that thing like a hawk, but most of the time its for naught, because it really doesnt need a lot of policing. the discussions are kept civil, and those of us who know each other know what to take seriously and what to take as a joke. newcomers learn this stuff pretty quickly, and we marauders are definitely believers in the school of hard knocks, but we do so in such a way that it makes a stronger contributor to the forum, just as it did in the old ff11 war days, and just as it did in the WoW druid days.

or....you could just ignore those threads you dont like. nothing is forcing you to click on those threads, or give feedback, or make another thread about those threads. and as stated, responding to those threads gives those people power, because they know theyre getting to you, whether its a troll or a legitimate complaint (from the PoV of the person posting....you of course may have a vastly different opinion regarding the nature of said "legitimate" complaint).

ultimately, different people are different, and there will always always ALWAYS be complainers, especially around a new MMO. this is a community-built community. literally, if youre not part of the solution, youre part of the problem. choose your destiny.

also, sorry for using my special Quor-powers to break the profanity filter guys, but i wanted to drive the point home. im rather protective of alla the way it is.

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 5:19am by Quor
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Didn't bother to read most of the threads but I lol'd at the people saying anyone that has <handful less posts than they have is automatically a troll if they have anything bad to say lol Really? "all these people with under 100 posts(person saying has 113) "anyone with under 200 posts"(person saying has 262) lol

Post count means nothing to start with but people with low post counts taking their own number and taking off a handful and negating others views as trolling just cause they don't like it shows how stupid you really are.

Also anyone that truely loved the game would instead of dismissing the fact that the majority of players have really serious issues with it this early on that could end up either crippling it or downright killing it should instead try to get the monstrous problems fixed along with everyone else. I guess some people are too stupid too look very far into the future of how a low low population could destroy a game so strongly reliant on others.

FF14 is quickly turning into a joke of an MMO and the few that like it seem happy let it die in flames as long as they are having fun now. The truth is the majority of players complaining are not trolls, we are people that waited for a long time for this game, people that wanted another game to move onto from FFXI. We are just in awe at how badly Square messed up the game when everything was in their favor, it's how rushed it all is, or just dumb stupid stuff that was done just to try to be different.

I can understand you may want to forget the game is going to be a flop and concentrate on what you want to know right now and the negative posts don't stop you asking questions etc anyway, but there are plenty of forums that have admins deleting everything that even hints at the truth. Maybe try those? sadly for you a large portion of FFXIV players feel the same, those happy are the minority. If that remains the same it will struggle to recoupe the money spent on development and won't be profitable for quite some time. If that happens then FFXIV will go the way PSU did.
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