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#1 Oct 05 2010 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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This is a game that is constructed, and played in a different way. This game is not a game for children who want to run around blowing stuff up. Its a game for mature players to sit down and have a good time with people their age who dont mind hanging around and chatting and having a sort of community.

This game doesnt include 5 second fights and thousands of kills an hour. This game takes a little more time to enjoy. This is where the negative feedback is coming from. A lot of gamers like the 2 second battles and hurry onto to the next fight and being told where to go and what to kill. This game focuses more on the reliance of others and bringing a community back to a mmorpg.

The kids of today and the newer mmorpg genres that splash the market today take the rpg out of mmorpg and turn it into an action game with rpg elements. This one brings back the element of environment and care for your character.

I read these immature and stupid reviews and go Pssht. Whatever go back to playing your action game and shut the **** up I am having fun playing my game with the various people I have been meeting. If you don't enjoy it then maybe in ten years you'll have the maturity level to handle this kind of a game.
#2 Oct 05 2010 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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This is why I could not play WoW. Good post.
#3 Oct 05 2010 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I find incredible irony in this post in that FFXIV is in a very immature state right now.
#4 Oct 05 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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xandramas wrote:
This is a game that is constructed, and played in a different way. This game is not a game for children who want to run around blowing stuff up. Its a game for mature players to sit down and have a good time with people their age who dont mind hanging around and chatting and having a sort of community.

This game doesnt include 5 second fights and thousands of kills an hour. This game takes a little more time to enjoy. This is where the negative feedback is coming from. A lot of gamers like the 2 second battles and hurry onto to the next fight and being told where to go and what to kill. This game focuses more on the reliance of others and bringing a community back to a mmorpg.

The kids of today and the newer mmorpg genres that splash the market today take the rpg out of mmorpg and turn it into an action game with rpg elements. This one brings back the element of environment and care for your character.

I read these immature and stupid reviews and go Pssht. Whatever go back to playing your action game and shut the @#%^ up I am having fun playing my game with the various people I have been meeting. If you don't enjoy it then maybe in ten years you'll have the maturity level to handle this kind of a game.



No, if you want a mature game in both content and community play FFXI.

I like what you've done with the straw though.
#5 Oct 05 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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xandramas wrote:
This is a game that is constructed, and played in a different way. This game is not a game for children who want to run around blowing stuff up. Its a game for mature players to sit down and have a good time with people their age who dont mind hanging around and chatting and having a sort of community.

This game doesnt include 5 second fights and thousands of kills an hour. This game takes a little more time to enjoy. This is where the negative feedback is coming from. A lot of gamers like the 2 second battles and hurry onto to the next fight and being told where to go and what to kill. This game focuses more on the reliance of others and bringing a community back to a mmorpg.

The kids of today and the newer mmorpg genres that splash the market today take the rpg out of mmorpg and turn it into an action game with rpg elements. This one brings back the element of environment and care for your character.

I read these immature and stupid reviews and go Pssht. Whatever go back to playing your action game and shut the @#%^ up I am having fun playing my game with the various people I have been meeting. If you don't enjoy it then maybe in ten years you'll have the maturity level to handle this kind of a game.


I just don't buy it...why does the game have to not be engaging??? Honestly we can rationalize all we want to justify playing the game, but the game just isn't engaging for most....I played XI at NA release and I came to a very similar conclusion until I re-rolled RDM and hit my mid teens. The fact of the matter is this game doesn't have much engaging content. Everything is so cumbersome.


I do believe that all these are problems that can be fixed in time, but SE should not have released this product to the public. This game was in it's initial stages about 2006, there is no excuse for releasing the game like this.
#6 Oct 05 2010 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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wat r chat limitz ever1 tlk bout? sum1 sez they cnt rite complt sntncz? lol
I r matur n chat limitz r jus fine in ff xiv if u cun chat liek mtrue ppl gtfo and stfu
#7 Oct 05 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Dang, this isn't what I was expecting to find in this thread.

#8 Oct 05 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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This game takes the rpg out of mmorpg. I recently hit rank 20 marauder and the game is still barely hinting at having a story. Combine that with the worst combat/class system I've experienced and a terrible UI you can't really argue that the game is just for a more mature audience. Yes it takes more maturity to discipline yourself to play but it's a video game and we're here to have fun, not to pay to beta test SEs game for them for another year because they ran out of funds during development.
#9 Oct 05 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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xandramas wrote:
This is a game that is constructed, and played in a different way. This game is not a game for children who want to run around blowing stuff up. Its a game for mature players to sit down and have a good time with people their age who dont mind hanging around and chatting and having a sort of community.

This game doesnt include 5 second fights and thousands of kills an hour. This game takes a little more time to enjoy. This is where the negative feedback is coming from. A lot of gamers like the 2 second battles and hurry onto to the next fight and being told where to go and what to kill. This game focuses more on the reliance of others and bringing a community back to a mmorpg.

The kids of today and the newer mmorpg genres that splash the market today take the rpg out of mmorpg and turn it into an action game with rpg elements. This one brings back the element of environment and care for your character.

I read these immature and stupid reviews and go Pssht. Whatever go back to playing your action game and shut the @#%^ up I am having fun playing my game with the various people I have been meeting. If you don't enjoy it then maybe in ten years you'll have the maturity level to handle this kind of a game.


I'm 37 years old and have played tougher MMOs than FFXIV, thanks. The fact that I find this game disappointing doesn't make me immature, or a troll, or unable to grasp a complex game. Your presumptions are way off-base.

"Maturity levels", indeed.

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 2:02pm by Shassa
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#10 Oct 05 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Default
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just seems like an update more than a new game,why not just make ffXI-2 online? ps. wheres all the cool looking gear and weps? /cry
#11 Oct 05 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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just seems like an update more than a new game,why not just make ffXI-2 online? ps. wheres all the cool looking gear and weps? /cry


I think the gear looks great...actually most of the visual aspects of the game are flawless.
#12 Oct 05 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't exactly say that people who go out and kill mobs are immature. Sometimes those monsters are freakin' hard! However, you are right that someone who ONLY wants to go out and hack at monsters will have a hard time taking a shine to this game. =/ It refuses to allow you to be a monsterslayer Extraordanaire without doing some crafting and harvesting.

For a Monsterslayer, such mundane pursuits amount to water torture.

However, for someone who's less dedicated to the visceral aspects of MMORPGs, this game is cool.

What I'm finding out also, is that being a botanist can be exceedingly nerve-wracking. On your way to a harvestable tree, I run into all sorts of agressive baddies capable of one-shotting me into oblivion. I either hide and wait for some other poor sap to come along and distract him, or I enlist the help of a stronger monsterslayer to come kill them. Failing that, I use triangulate to Quicken my stride and hopefully outrun the monster, but that doesn't always work. =/ Especially if Quick runs out before I can get out of range.

What's even worse, is logging in the presence of aggros. Exiting from the logging game takes about 5 seconds. Plenty of time for an aggressive baddie to show you the color of your insides.

As a result, my marauder class is at the same level as my botanist class.
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#13 Oct 05 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't exactly say that people who go out and kill mobs are immature. Sometimes those monsters are freakin' hard! However, you are right that someone who ONLY wants to go out and hack at monsters will have a hard time taking a shine to this game. =/ It refuses to allow you to be a monsterslayer Extraordanaire without doing some crafting and harvesting.

For a Monsterslayer, such mundane pursuits amount to water torture.

However, for someone who's less dedicated to the visceral aspects of MMORPGs, this game is cool.

What I'm finding out also, is that being a botanist can be exceedingly nerve-wracking. On your way to a harvestable tree, I run into all sorts of agressive baddies capable of one-shotting me into oblivion. I either hide and wait for some other poor sap to come along and distract him, or I enlist the help of a stronger monsterslayer to come kill them. Failing that, I use triangulate to Quicken my stride and hopefully outrun the monster, but that doesn't always work. =/ Especially if Quick runs out before I can get out of range.

What's even worse, is logging in the presence of aggros. Exiting from the logging game takes about 5 seconds. Plenty of time for an aggressive baddie to show you the color of your insides.

As a result, my marauder class is at the same level as my botanist class.


i liked FFXI. i like all types of RPG's they all have something different. i was really hoping to like ff14 though, and i'm sure i will in a little while, but it's the extreme lack of content that doesn't make me want to play right now. exp'ing and crafting is only so much fun before you get bored.

i don't know about anyone else, but i would have expected more content than this from a game that was in development for so long.
#14 Oct 05 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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[quote=jwhite1083]exp'ing and crafting is only so much fun before you get bored.


That is what I'm finding out is not true.

The problem is, people are playing just long enough to hate it. I was getting bored of botany too... Until I played long enough to advance. Now my Arbor Call is taking me to places I, quite frankly, shouldn't be yet. At this point, leaving the tree alive is an accomplishment.
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#15 Oct 05 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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jwhite1083 wrote:
I was getting bored of botany too... Until I played long enough to advance. Now my Arbor Call is taking me to places I, quite frankly, shouldn't be yet. At this point, leaving the tree alive is an accomplishment.


As a botonist surely you're really really bad at chopping down trees if you're leaving them alive...



...I got what you meant though.
#16 Oct 05 2010 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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This game doesnt include 5 second fights and thousands of kills an hour. This game takes a little more time to enjoy. This is where the negative feedback is coming from.

Right. There have probably been a hundred different threads on this forum outlining the same few dozen very specific complaints, almost none of which are "combat is too slow."

Can you defend the current state of the UI? The missing auction house, search function, and delivery system? The lack of content? The unbalanced group mechanics?

Once you can, come back and tell us that the complainers are all just spoiled children who want to play WoW.
#17 Oct 05 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was expecting something completely different when I read the thread title... I find myself sadly disappointed.
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#18jwhite1083, Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 1:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have no problems with the UI. If you get frustrated by having to pull up more than one set of menu options, then I suggest you stay away from McDonald's or any other restaurant.
#19 Oct 05 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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jwhite1083 wrote:
Borkachev wrote:
Can you defend the current state of the UI? The missing auction house, search function, and delivery system? The lack of content? The unbalanced group mechanics?

Once you can, come back and tell us that the complainers are all just spoiled children who want to play WoW.


I have no problems with the UI. If you get frustrated by having to pull up more than one set of menu options, then I suggest you stay away from McDonald's or any other restaurant.

I don't care about the AH missing. I run into a Market Ward. I find what I need within minutes. If I can't find it, I solicit the help of other players and find it in less than a minute usually. Again, no problems. In fact, by now, I've been to the MWs so many times, I'm learning who sells what. I'm having to "search" less and less. Pretty soon, I won't have to "search" at all. :) (My loyalty can be bought. Use your "Display" for loss leaders and I may just switch retainer shops!;) Use your retainters name to advertise your shop as well. Name it, "botanygoods" instead of "Tom". kthx)

Regarding lack of content: Again, I don't know what you mean. I've been too busy venturing dangerous areas and logging like **** to care about anything other than what's moving around the next bend.

Unbalanced group mechanics? Specifics please. Currently, anyone besides myself is Angler bait.



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#20jwhite1083, Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 2:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do you do anything besides copy and paste troll boards? Come back when you have something to say. kthx.
#21 Oct 05 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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I was expecting something completely different when I read the thread title... I find myself sadly disappointed.


Indeed, I thought this was gonna be about the prostitutes in Ul'dah or some of the more colorful language. The 1st weaver's guild quest was fairly entertaining in that manner.

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Borkachev wrote:

Can you defend the current state of the UI?

no, sadly that one is not defendable. we can take solace in knowing that they will be fixing this, and to think otherwise is rediculous

Borkachev wrote:
The missing auction house

the auction house isnt 'missing'. they intended the game to be without. this doesnt satisfy everybody, but the current system is the way the devs chose for things to be, like it or not.

Borkachev wrote:
search function

should be a fairly easy fix and can be expected in an update coming relatively soon

Borkachev wrote:
and delivery system

see auction house

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The lack of content

are you rank 50 yet? unless you are you have no idea what content is avaliable, and if there were content you wouldnt be high enough to experience it yet. any content or lack thereof is negligible at this state of the game.

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The unbalanced group mechanics?

you mean how forming a group creates a satisfying atmosphere where skillups and fun thrive while taking on additional challenges otherwise unavaliable to solo players? yea unbalanced....

Borkachev wrote:
the complainers are all just spoiled children who want to play WoW.

true.
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#23 Oct 05 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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It would be fine if it were easy to chat and the game was actually enjoyable for the majority of the players who logged on.
#24 Oct 05 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Borkachev wrote:
The missing auction house

the auction house isnt 'missing'. they intended the game to be without. this doesnt satisfy everybody, but the current system is the way the devs chose for things to be, like it or not.


even if they intended for there to be no auction house, the concept failed. maybe they will fine tune it, and if they do and it still fails and there still is no AH, it's going to put alot of people off.

this is why square needs to learn a lesson. i don't like WoW, but i have to give it to them for listening to their players. SE is to close minded when it comes to what players think.
#25 Oct 05 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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xandramas wrote:
This is a game that is constructed, and played in a different way. This game is not a game for children who want to run around blowing stuff up. Its a game for mature players to sit down and have a good time with people their age who dont mind hanging around and chatting and having a sort of community.

This game doesnt include 5 second fights and thousands of kills an hour. This game takes a little more time to enjoy. This is where the negative feedback is coming from. A lot of gamers like the 2 second battles and hurry onto to the next fight and being told where to go and what to kill. This game focuses more on the reliance of others and bringing a community back to a mmorpg.

The kids of today and the newer mmorpg genres that splash the market today take the rpg out of mmorpg and turn it into an action game with rpg elements. This one brings back the element of environment and care for your character.

I read these immature and stupid reviews and go Pssht. Whatever go back to playing your action game and shut the @#%^ up I am having fun playing my game with the various people I have been meeting. If you don't enjoy it then maybe in ten years you'll have the maturity level to handle this kind of a game.


The only 'mature' thing needed to play FFXIV is a mature, well developed sense of patience in order to be able to slog through all of the bullsh*t game designs.

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 6:32pm by StrijderVechter
#26 Oct 05 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Default
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No, if you want a mature game in both content and community play FFXI.


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