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#1 Oct 05 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Default
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Hello.

My reason for this discussion is to clear peoples minds about not having an auction house and to support developers in never creating one for FFXIV. it will simply ruin the game. there are other solutions to peoples headaches on not being able to find mats for crafting.

We see thousands of unused items on FFXI's auction house. My experience with FFXIV over the last month has made me a better player without it.
It has made the game more interactive and real to me. I have seen a beautiful variety of players all expressing more individuality than could ever be created with FFXI or any other popular MMORPG.

The biggest complaint i see on forums is there is no place to dump crafted items or get materials to keep crafting.
This can be solved by just selling all materials
at a NPC.

I firmly believe an auction house will ruin this game. I love searching for gear in crafters bazaars. its given the game more variety and individuality. Auction houses will only make the game.. the same as FFXI. This is the future and auction houses will only set you back.

Also i think an auction house takes control away from the developers. These people dont know anything about economy.

Example.. you let them make the economy on FFXI..

Then they ******* and complained about it...

But they did it to themselves!!

By selling crafting materials at NPC's..

the developers keep control.!!


If you dont like it. then go play WoW or FFXI for the rest of your life.
I like the game being more life like and putting everyone on the same level.
I like that no auction house makes people work harder.
I made a really good friend because i bought something out of her bazaar.

And that's when it all clicked for me. and i seen how much better this game is
without it


Rayneblood > FFXI

Mojo Rysyn > FFXIV > the new masterpiece.

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#2 Oct 05 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Give me an easier way to browse bazaars and maybe I'll get on your wagon. For right now though, I simply refuse to use the retainer system for more than a bank to hold my crap. Browsing people is just ridiculously hard. It's bad enough I have no hotkey to look at someone's bazaar, but there's a few seconds lag before items even pop up. Smiley: mad
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The developers did not dictate the prices on the AH. It was all character driven.
Also, dumping things at npc is a terrible idea. they give you next to nothing and you're robbing crafters of items that they need.
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#4 Oct 05 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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A game is supposed to be fun, I don't see what's fun in wasting half an hour+ unecessarily looking through bazaars, I find it a tedius and boring and the worst part of this game to where I'm at the point where I don't even bother anymore, I also can't be ***** setting up retainers just to sell items that too takes too much time and is tedius, so I NPC them so it contributes absolutely nothing to the economy, if you find it fun to do this boring crap then you are the minority, and I totally disagree that an AH would ruin the game, I think it would make the majority happy and make the game way better.
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i agree with cod3r, maybe then I could find that stinkin' cotton robe that i've been looking for since level 17!
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If you dont like it. then go play WoW or FFXI for the rest of your life.


You were doing fine until this line Smiley: oyvey
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#8 Oct 05 2010 at 5:18 PM Rating: Default
I'm also against a dedicated auction house system in this game.

I'm also leary about a organized search function as well. If it lists by items then we end up having just another auction system, where the rich and greedy get to regulate the prices however they see fit. (Be they RMT or player.)

This could be offset if the "Seeking" aspect of the Bazaars could be used to offset the price of items the individual was also selling. (Or simply having a 'seeking' catagory for those who are trying to say level crafts, and giving people the ability to essentially help provide for the players at their asking price for gil.)

I'd like both to be implimented and not just one or the other. Most definatly do NOT want a blind auction like FFXI, as it just left too many loopholes.

My idea so far is to have the center "areas" of each different "Room" (as designated the way SE has planed.) to have a search function for both Selling those specific items, as well as seeking those specific items. That way the bazaar 'feel' of the game is left in tact while providing better convinience for the players.

For those complaining about the little extra 'work' it's required to go to different rooms or different cities to search for things, I gotta say that traveling in this game is easy (even walking.) And a bit of convience sacrafice to preserve some true imersion in this game is, on my end at least, tolerable. (It also helps the economy of the game stay at reasonable levels.)

*chuckle* Now I got it into my head of nicknaming self-made quests to fill seeking requests "Market-leves"

#9 Oct 05 2010 at 5:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wish ppl would stop saying xiv would be too easy with an AH, or stuff like "I like that no auction house makes people work harder". Difficulty has nothing to do with it. It's about time. Do you enjoy wasting an hour and a half going through zombie bazaars just to not find anything you're looking for? I don't. All I find is overpriced marmot parts.


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#10 Oct 05 2010 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I posted it before and I will again, SE needs to look at things logically, not how they think people will use it. An auction house IS NOT NEEDED if done properly and logically, something this system fails at horribly. SE PLEASE LOOK AT THIS POST AND FIX YOUR RETAINERS!!!!:


If I am going to start a craft, lets say blacksmithing, the first place I'm going to look is the BS Guild for all my needs. Tools, leve's, recipes, tutorials, and mats. I grab the proper tools, I find the proper recipes and initiate the proper leves, but now I need to find mats to follow through. Being that most mats are cheaper from players over NPCs I would rather search the Blacksmith Ward for items, but the problem of lengthy searches, invisible retainers (due to overcrowding), and hundreds of bazaars to choose from still remain. This could easily be solved by having an NPC in the BS Guild that had a search-able inventory of all items located in the BS ward. This also gives the seller the option to charge more for items that aren't specific to that ward but are needed for that craft which will help offset that higher tax associated. You could even further break down the searches by having a finished goods NPC, a material NPC, and a non-craft NPC all in the same guild. Finished goods would have only finished goods from blacksmithing, materials would be only BS materials, and non-craft would be any other items like a piece of leather etc that is used in a BS recipe.

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 7:35pm by burtonsnow
#11klepp6761, Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 5:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) it doesnt matter because they arent putting one in.. so whats the point in saying it will ruint he game? so would batman launching a nuclear device into the side of their server farm but..
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Search function (Bazaar style) to find certian items ....
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#13 Oct 05 2010 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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If you dont like it. then go play WoW or FFXI for the rest of your life.
You were doing fine until this line Smiley: oyvey
You seriously thought he was making good points until then?



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Dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life lol. By not having a auction house it's slowing crafters down A LOT. I think that's what they want. They also just want us to level more jobs to slow us down as well. All you're getting now is a bunch of people price gouging out the ***.

You're one person. Personally I'd like to go "Hmm I want this. Bam right there in the Auction house" rather than spend 40 mins (LITERALLY) searching every bazaar. NOT only that, but your eyes might not caught the item you need because you just got down searching 100 other bazaars. ALSO you have to continuously keep pressing the **** menu button on each bazaar. Auction house will erase ALL that. Now quite your crying because no matter what you want/feel they will inevitably implement the auction house at a later time.
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I like the game being more life like and putting everyone on the same level.

I'd like to take this moment to put in a suggestion that forces characters to defecate and urinate every few in-game hours.
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I am fairly sure that this was written in humor, and humorous it was.

Edit: Let me be clear, I am reading this as if it was humor. If not, ugh.

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#18 Oct 05 2010 at 6:53 PM Rating: Default
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It takes a few seconds to check a single persons Bazaar. How long do you think it'll take to search a whole wards worth of bazaars with a search function?
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SE has already done a pretty good job of ruining the game. I've decided to give them a fair shot at fixing it by taking a month or so off, in the hopes of returning to a patched, sane, game.
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It takes a few seconds to check a single persons Bazaar. How long do you think it'll take to search a whole wards worth of bazaars with a search function?
A few seconds...?
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A few being 20. 20 seconds times 200 bazaars is over an hour.
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A few being 20. 20 seconds times 200 bazaars is over an hour.
I seem to be missing something here. A search function is server-side, how exactly would it take an hour to run? Unless you're responding to a different point?

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#23 Oct 05 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you dont like it. then go play WoW or FFXI for the rest of your life.


I don't know why people keep saying stuff like this. It has to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard. What's wrong with making existing things better?

How asinine would it be if the following happened to you:
Bob> Can you replace this flat tire on my Porsche?
Mike (the mechanic)> If you don't like it, go buy a Lotus!
Bob> But I just want my Porsche fixed. Can't you just fix the tire?
Mike> Porsche intended you to use the tires that came with the car. If you don't like that they can go flat, go buy a Lexus.
Bob> But it would be so easy to fix!
Mike> Stop your crying. It's supposed to be difficult. If you want everything spoon fed to you, go buy a Ferrari.
#24 Oct 05 2010 at 7:37 PM Rating: Default
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This is a serious post.
the reason i made it was:
I found something i wanted in a bazaar.
they were also seeking something i needed.
We are now very good friends on the game.
Thats the new beauty of it all.

Let me make some things clear.

Remember buying an item for 2million.. then 3 weeks later it was worth 50k?


Pikko i totally agree with you on that.
they should enhance the bazaar even more.


xGaelx said:
"The developers did not dictate the prices on the AH. It was all character driven.
Also, dumping things at npc is a terrible idea. they give you next to nothing and you're robbing crafters of items that they need. "

Response: thats what i said... developers didnt dictate anything it was all character driven. it was left up to greedy people. and the next person was forced to sell at around the same price usually on normal every day materials.

And right now im dumping stacks of marmot pelt+3 on NPC's for a good chunk of gil.

Plus im selling all my shards to people seeking in their bazaars. i just made 20k for 100 earth shards.. sold em 400 of em for 80k. im happy.

How am i robbing crafters of what they need.. if all basic crafting materials are made available at a different NPCs?


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"so would batman launching a nuclear device into the side of their server farm but.."
LOLOL!



Wint: how did that line throw you off? i think im still doing fine. open your mind.
that statement is pretty simple. "If you dont like it, go back to what your use to"
Then i go on to say how much better change is and why its good for this game.
But you take something out of context and hurt the debate over this subject
by doing so.


For the people here who keep saying theyve ruined the game...

They have not.
theyve made a new game.
your just too stuck on XI and close minded to really indulge yourself into it and experience it.
SO what... you didnt get your instant satisfaction and item you wanted that night..
maybe that item wasnt meant for you?
maybe its a good thing that every person isnt running around wearing the same exact thing?
maybe youll actually wake up and become something for yourself.
OH MY GOD you didnt get to lvl 100 in 1 week!!!

Slow down and enjoy the game.
Theyve created a very good game. that can be used as a social networking tool as well.

They have fixed a lot of things wrong with FFXI already too.
example:
theres no zone changes... its all smooth transitioning.


So my advice is slow down and enjoy the game. dont worry about an AH.
I want you to not worry about a /search tool either.
I cant just type /sea into my phone and know where all my friends are instantly in real life either.
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Well simply put. It's time consuming. No matter how much you love it and what you have to say about it. Adding to the already hundreds of hours a MMO requires this is something that can be more organized and save a GREAT deal of time. Also it will stop a ton of shouting with people saying "whisper me". This is final fantasy.....it's "/tell me". I don't know where that whisper crap came from lol
#26 Oct 05 2010 at 7:48 PM Rating: Default
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ok redhobbit.. its not that im against updates and upgrading and enhancing the game or making it better. Im against people hating on the game because it doesn't have an auction house.

Im for changes in bazaar.
Im for changes in the camera.
Im for fixing the UI problems.
Im for making your keyboard completely customizable.


This is the first time ive ever posted on this forum.
This is the first time ive ever posted on any ZAM forum at all.


If this is the type of close minded rude people im dealing with.
Then ill just let you guys flame each other here trying to be funny.

But for me:
This is a serious discussion and i know theres some intelligent people out there to have
a real look at the games evolution and the psychology of it all.

I am telling you that an Auction house would ruin this game.
And im advising you to slow down and enjoy it.
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I want you to not worry about a /search tool either.
I cant just type /sea into my phone and know where all my friends are instantly in real life either.
They didn't add a search function because it's not realistic? You realize that having hitpoints and assigning stat points when you level isn't realistic either, right?
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bsphil wrote:
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I want you to not worry about a /search tool either.
I cant just type /sea into my phone and know where all my friends are instantly in real life either.
They didn't add a search function because it's not realistic? You realize that having hitpoints and assigning stat points when you level isn't realistic either, right?


You mean you don't push a button to make yourself stronger on your birthday every year? I thought everyone did that...
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I firmly believe an auction house will ruin this game. I love searching for gear in crafters bazaars.

Yes! We all love searching through 200 bazaars every day! Because we got nothing better to do the whole day!
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bsphil wrote:
MojoRysyn wrote:
I want you to not worry about a /search tool either.
I cant just type /sea into my phone and know where all my friends are instantly in real life either.
They didn't add a search function because it's not realistic? You realize that having hitpoints and assigning stat points when you level isn't realistic either, right?
You mean you don't push a button to make yourself stronger on your birthday every year? I thought everyone did that...
...oh goddamnit. I've got 138 unassigned stat points!

ALL IN PIE.
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I want you to not worry about a /search tool either.
I cant just type /sea into my phone and know where all my friends are instantly in real life either.


Hate to shatter your fantasy, but they really do have an app for that.

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Litterally the dumbest thread on the forums. Congrats!
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Yo dawg, we heard you like MMORPGs so we put a time sink in your time sink...

No thanks. I play games to waste my time as it is. I don't need something in my time waster to waste time while I'm wasting time.
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bsphil wrote:
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A few being 20. 20 seconds times 200 bazaars is over an hour.
I seem to be missing something here. A search function is server-side, how exactly would it take an hour to run? Unless you're responding to a different point?

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 8:10pm by bsphil


I was responding to the point that it takes a "few" seconds to check a bazaar.
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Yo dawg, we heard you like MMORPGs so we put a time sink in your time sink...

No thanks. I play games to waste my time as it is. I don't need something in my time waster to waste time while I'm wasting time.


LoL It's very true. I don't even know why there are still threads on this anyways. Auction Houses are coming. It's just a matter of time.

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I firmly believe an auction house will ruin this game. I love searching for gear in crafters bazaars.


Yeah I wish I was unemployed and had nothing better to do with my time either. Also they never ruined FFXI. So if anything they're just going to help the game.

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MojoRysyn wrote:
I cant just type /sea into my phone and know where all my friends are instantly in real life either.


lol RL analogies are so weak. You realize we play a FANTASY game right? It has nothing to do with real life, it's an ESCAPE from real life. I can't cast spells in real life either, should we not put that in a fantasy game?
#37 Oct 05 2010 at 8:51 PM Rating: Default
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well i'm sorry but i think an auction house will ruin the game.

you can all sit here and think your funny i could care less.
I have realized im dealing with immature lazy kids who are growing up with Iphone apps.

Improve bazaars and change some interface controls.
But other than that the game is really good.



#38 Oct 05 2010 at 8:56 PM Rating: Default
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its not a time waste.

stop looking through bazaars so much..

If you dont find it quickly.. then your not meant to have it.

Stop supporting auction house. it'll ruin the game because everyone will look the same and greedy insane people who play all day long will control all the prices.


Play the game. youll find your gear when you find it.

I have a good amount of gil and some really good gear already.
ive only spent maybe an hour total searching bazaars.
and ive made a few friends a long the way.

your arguments about it wasting time and the immature ways you try to get your points across
just prove that you haven't thought anything through and want instant satisfaction.

Slow down and enjoy the game.
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No AH is broken!
If you give a search function to the retainers than you have a competition and price history, why not have a AH?
The way things are now suck, plain and simple. If you thin otherwise it's cause you enjoy not charging fair prices
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well i'm sorry but i think an auction house will ruin the game.

you can all sit here and think your funny i could care less.
I have realized im dealing with immature lazy kids who are growing up with Iphone apps.

Improve bazaars and change some interface controls.
But other than that the game is really good.


I'm confused. Bear with me here and explain this to me, since you apparently think you're some sort of insightful savant...

I'm 25 and turn 26 this Friday. College graduate. Network Administrator for two different sites, and bust my *** pretty well five days a week, then come home to a fiancee, who I'm currently planning a wedding with for this April.

Now when I get home from work, if I decide I want to spend what free time I have playing a game for a couple hours, please explain to me why it is BENEFICIAL to me that I spend hours in the market wards any time I want to buy something. (EDIT: or why the alternative is, if I don't have enough time to play the game, I don't deserve better gear)

Now, before you try and say that I'm exaggerating, I went into the market wards looking for a new weapon for my Pugilist. Not only did I not find a weapon I could afford for my pugilist, I didn't find ANY pugilist weapons. Not only did I not find any PUGILIST weapons, I didn't find ANY weapons for ANY class. I spent a total of an HOUR. That is 60 minutes, in case your math is fuzzy; not "15 minutes, but I rounded up to an hour"; no, 60 actual real minutes or 3,600 seconds of my life, wasted, that I will never see again, in which I accomplished NOTHING on a -GAME- that is supposed to be -FUN-.

So please, explain to me how not having wasted that hour of time would have ruined the game. Explain to me how wanting a simple transaction to take under 5 minutes would destroy the economy.

Let's not forget either: I'm engaged and have a full time job. What about the people who have two jobs? What about the people with children? Not sure if you're familiar with how children work, but they're a 24 hour job, and they cut into playtime pretty severely.

So tell me, do you also believe that it is for the betterment of the game and all who play it that people who work more than 40 hours a week, or parents should waste 30-90 minutes of their playtime whenever they want to purchase an item?

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I have realized im dealing with immature lazy kids
Sure thing, pal. Whatever makes you feel better.
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My vote is for an auction house. Like it has been said before, I don't want to waste an hour + just to MAYBE find the item I'm looking for. In fact, I've over payed for items I've seen for sale while out grinding rather than have to scour the market wards for them.
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Sure thing, pal. Whatever makes you feel better.


OP is either a High School Student, a College student whose classes are paid for by his parents, or unemployed. At best, he works part time making under $8/hr.

There's no way in **** the OP has a full time job.
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MojoRysyn wrote:
its not a time waste.

stop looking through bazaars so much..

If you dont find it quickly.. then your not meant to have it.



Well there you have it.
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well i'm sorry but i think an auction house will ruin the game.

and you are entitled to it, but you would be in the minority
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you can all sit here and think your funny i could care less.
I have realized im dealing with immature lazy kids who are growing up with Iphone apps.

in reply to the bolded, how mature is calling names again?
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Improve bazaars and change some interface controls.
But other than that the game is really good.

if they can improve bazaars to take much less time, without an auction house, cool... but other than a search feature, that wont happen. Making a supposedly casual oriented game tedious is counterproductive.
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MojoRysyn wrote:
I want you to not worry about a /search tool either.
I cant just type /sea into my phone and know where all my friends are instantly in real life either.


There's an app for that. :)
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#48 Oct 05 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious DeadlyLust wrote:


I'm here to make friends ;;
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Mikhalia: and FWIW, my posts are 95% helpful, informative, or funny.
Mikhalia: only 5% or less of my posts are utter crap.
Tyapex: 393 posts of utter crap...
Mikhalia: Sounds about right.
#49 Oct 05 2010 at 9:45 PM Rating: Default
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Ok lol, so there is an app for that... im actually going to give in and get an iphone myself.


Im sorry but does OP mean Original Poster?

Im actually 30 years old.
I have an associates degree in business management.
I actually manage 400 accounts for a kitchen logistics company.
my wife and i made over 100 grand last year.

im responsible for over $750,000 a year for my company.
I work a lot. its a pretty cake job though. seeing as to how i make my own hours and get free food and listen to the sirius

I also have a wife and 2 kids.
Which i have built an amazing environment for that any kid could only dream of having.

My wife owns and operates a tattoo shop.

I have been playing FFXI since it came out and FF since the late 80's.
I also ski, camp, bike, hike, go to concerts regulary, clean my house and take care of my family very well with what seems to me a thousand arms.
Ive managed to balance 'real life' and gaming very well.

My character in FFXI only has two lvl 85 jobs now. BLM and PLD.
I have high event attendance. I dont have a relic weapon. but i have decent gear.
Ive been playing it since it was released in north america.
I actually have a new gaming rig next to my old XP PC
so i can play both XI and XIV side by side.
My new PC runs both games at once. and 50 other applications too.


I'm am however new to posting on these forums.
I didnt know i would get flamed for having an opinion about something.
I will now change my name to birdhair and slit my wrists.

I will stay off your forum boards since you all know best!
You have won and not made any friends..


But i still think auction house is bad.
And i do think if you work 40 hours a week and have children then you have no right
having top gear.

You get what you deserve.

And maybe if you didn't make 9,002 posts on these forums you'd have more time to play the actual game and all that other stuff you claim to be busy with

#50 Oct 05 2010 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I enjoy not having an auction house, though I do feel retainer inventory/bazaar should be a big larger
#51 Oct 05 2010 at 9:55 PM Rating: Good
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MojoRysyn wrote:
Bunch of stuff


I don't believe you.

You fell just short of claiming that the laws of physics don't apply to you.
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