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#1 Oct 06 2010 at 4:43 AM Rating: Default
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In your own opinion which one is better? Conjurer or Thaumaturge?
#2 Oct 06 2010 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
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This thread again?

Bacon Mage is better!
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#3 Oct 06 2010 at 4:49 AM Rating: Default
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In your own opinion which one is better? Conjurer or Thaumaturge?


mages are pretty ****** at the moment, but go with conjurer, we could use more healers.
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#4 Oct 06 2010 at 4:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
yos777 wrote:
In your own opinion which one is better? Conjurer or Thaumaturge?


classes are pretty sh*tty at the moment, but go with conjurer, we could use more healers.


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#5 Oct 06 2010 at 4:59 AM Rating: Decent
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sylph19 wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
yos777 wrote:
In your own opinion which one is better? Conjurer or Thaumaturge?


classes are pretty sh*tty at the moment, but go with conjurer, we could use more healers.


Fix't.


In that case,

Bacon Class is better!
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#6 Oct 06 2010 at 5:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I like being the reliable healer, so I'm going CON and hen subbing some THM spells.
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#7 Oct 06 2010 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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yos777 wrote:
In your own opinion which one is better? Conjurer or Thaumaturge?


Depends what you what type of mage you wish to play.

CON has the official CURE spell but is set up to mainly be the nuker. You start off with all the first lvl elemental attacks Fire/Ice/Thunder/Aero/Water/Stone 1. You get shock spikes and stoneskin, then protect and shell. Typical White Mage spells mixed with typical Black mage spells.

THM gets the debuffs and most DOTs. Its healing spell is Sacrifice, takes small amount of HP and heals for medium amount of HP + a 30sec regen effect. (CON gets the elemental DOTs Burn/drown/choke etc.) THM has poinson slow gravity bio things of that nature. THM starts off with banish (which in this game weakens physical resistance) and scourage (weakens magic resistance)

Another note that is HUGE when it comes to being a healing mage. CON AoE is a CIRCLE with radius 3 distance (made up a number to show comparison) THM AoE is FORWARD CONE with a reach of 5. (Again the distance numbers are just to show a relation of the distance the spells can reach.

I personally leveled CON to 4 to get Cure, then THM to 8 to get slow/poison/gravity, and back to Main CON. Its worked really good so far.

Edited, Oct 6th 2010 8:02am by edge1006
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#8 Oct 06 2010 at 7:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Great info about Cure "circle" area of effect v. Sacrifice "cone" area of effect. Your 3 to 5 ratio seems astonishingly accurate too. As a healer who spends a lot of time spamming Cure and Sacrifice, I've been trying to figure out wtf is going on with my AoE casting of Sacrifice and this explanation makes a lot of sense.

To the OP, descriptions so far are pretty accurate. It's simply this:

CON = SCH (from FFXI) or BLM + WHM (from every FF game ever made)

THM = Time Mage (vastly superior to Bacon Mage)

Right now I'm CON13/THM10 and my plan is to take CON to 20 for Cure II before switching back to THM as my main. Then once my Time Mage is capped, I'll travel back in time and level two (2) caster jobs at the same time because I hate myself.

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Baconmage. All the way.
#10 Oct 06 2010 at 8:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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DonFlamenco wrote:
Great info about Cure "circle" area of effect v. Sacrifice "cone" area of effect. Your 3 to 5 ratio seems astonishingly accurate too. As a healer who spends a lot of time spamming Cure and Sacrifice, I've been trying to figure out wtf is going on with my AoE casting of Sacrifice and this explanation makes a lot of sense.

To the OP, descriptions so far are pretty accurate. It's simply this:

CON = SCH (from FFXI) or BLM + WHM (from every FF game ever made)

THM = Time Mage (vastly superior to Bacon Mage)

Right now I'm CON13/THM10 and my plan is to take CON to 20 for Cure II before switching back to THM as my main. Then once my Time Mage is capped, I'll travel back in time and level two (2) caster jobs at the same time because I hate myself.



Only thing to note here is that the Circle/Cone AoE is set to Job/Class not ability.
CON cast cure and sacrifice will always be in a circle around the CON.
THM casting Sacrifice or cure will always be in a cone in front of the THM.
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#11 Oct 06 2010 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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didn't read any of the other posts

but

CONJURER =)
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#12 Oct 06 2010 at 9:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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I like both of them equally.

I do think Bacon Mage has the better options for AOE.

At the start you get strip, rasher, and Canadian. Stip is a long narrow line aoe. Rasher is similar to strip just a little wider. Canadian is circular AOE but it always seemed a little hammy to me.

I prefer Rasher but you do get a thick cut strip before thick cut rasher. Thick cut just increases the effect and depending on thickness can go up the side of cliffes.

When you get a little higher you get slab bacon which just rules. It hits the entire party and just about all the monsters you are fighting no matter where they are. The only problem is when you lay the smack down with slab bacon there is a high chance of getting a negative effect called grease burn. It is a splash effect much worse that the pop effect of the other bacon styles.

You are dead if a conjure or the mob uses a fire effect while you are under the effect of grease. Best bet is to level alchemist for baking powder to cover it. What ever you do don't have a mage cast water on it or the whole place could catch on fire.
#13 Oct 06 2010 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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I think the point of the THM and CON is to create your own unique blend of spells for either to serve whatever purpose you want. Atm I use a mix of THM spells on my CON (I prefer the circular AoE of CON to the conal AoE of THM) to give me a nice mix of healing and defensive spells, with a few DoTs and 1 nuke for **************

The real answer is to find what kind of mage do you want to be, and then pick and choose your spells accordingly. Both jobs have a lot of ways to play them, so really there is no "A is better than B because of C"

Also... bacon mage sounds yummy. It's breakfast time here and all I have is coffee :(
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Why is it called a bacon mage?
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It is called Bacon Mage because it an Advance Job that can only be opened by killing the NM Hogzilla.

You then have to get a bunch of crafters together to butcher the NM and set up the smokehouse or salthouse. You can look up all of the details on weither it is better to just salt or to smoke. What kind of wood chips used to smoke. (I prefer Hickory or Chestnut but some people like the increase accuracy of maple chips. Don't do willow chips that is just cheap and better to just salt at that point.)

Once you Get the Bacon weapon you then have to equip back or belly meat in your pack slot. It is kind of like ammo. Personal preference rules on weither you want the higher accuracy or more damage for back and belly. When using belly be aware of higher spash and pop damage. (Pop and splash damage is friendly fire damage from when the bacon gets to hot. It is fun to wipe a whole party with grease fire but that is just me. It is nicer than saying your toes are cold or your cat is on fire.)

There is a thread somewhere on the main board dealing with the awesomeness of the Bacon Mage and how it is the DPS king.
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#17 Oct 06 2010 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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my opinion is CON is easier to level first. I am not high enough THM to comment on its overall awesomeness but it has some neat spells that I really want on my CON... but shockspikes, stoneskin, protect etc make leveling a lot easier...
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#18 Oct 06 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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edge1006 wrote:
THM starts off with banish (which in this game weakens physical resistance) and scourage (weakens magic resistance)

Are you sure about this? In the beta, Banish did astral damage and lowered astral resistance, where Scourge's damage was umbral instead.

I don't see anything in Zam's database that supports the physical vs. magical aspects you speak of.
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#19 Oct 06 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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I'm THM19 and CON12. I hate hate hate the CON's AoE on his spells. Tiny radius around your target? ***** that, I want my cone of DOOM that hits everything kilometers in front of me!

Okay, slight exageration, but you get my point. I prefer THM, some prefer CON; why don't you try both and figure your playstyle?
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