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#1 Oct 06 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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I can't help but think SE is doing everything in their power to prevent us from getting to the end game finish line to realize it was all a lie and 'epic' end game is wailing on a 'epic' crab or some such lame event without much fanfare.

Reason I say this is because every day I come across another speed bump designed by SE to prevent you from getting closer to the end of the road such as:

leve quest 36 hour limits
constant needs to repair
fatigue
Multitudes of crafting classes needed for end result item
limited mobs
hours wasted shopping markets
slow pace of multi menu crafting
slow pace of travel and limiting teleports
more people in group = less xp (for me anyway)

I could go on and on at things put in place to get you to 'slow the F down'. I'm a semi casual player and play a few hours in the evenings after work and find I am getting nothing accomplished. Last weekend I realized my wand needed repairing and saw where carpenter repaired it so set out to repair it. Little did I know this quest would be EPIC!

Step one: Go level botney and gather mats from varying parts of the world: CHECK!
Step two: Go kill mushroom mobs for shrooms: CHECK!
Step three: Go level mining to get more mats: CHECK!
Step four: Level Alchemy to make mats and then use those mats to make Alpha Formula: CHECK!
Step five: Level carpenter to 15 to then use formula on wand: IN PROCESS!

In process because days later and many leves later I dinged 10 carpenter and now everything blows up in my face white or not because I need a chocobotail saw. I spent all night browsing retainers and shouting in cities with no luck short of a response to "Go level Blacksmith and make it yourself." Seriously? A linkshell mate finally found me one late last night and is holding it for me till I log in tonight thank the mmo gods. Now I'll just have to grind out 5 levels of carpenter...

I have a feeling this weekend will quickly approach and I will still be on my EPIC quest to simply repair my F'ing wand and my Conjurer will be the same level is was a week ago.
#2 Oct 06 2010 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I'm not too happy about needing a saw either. I also need a new needle. I guess it's time to take up freaking Blacksmithing and Mining too now? /mad
#3 Oct 06 2010 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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The main issue is that the availability of tools is unequal. I was able to make all but two of the rank 7 tools with like rank 10 crafts. Only the saw and BS hammer need other crafts over rank 20 to make a part for it. Glad I found undyed canvas from someone, now I need iron stuff for the saw... yay
#4 Oct 06 2010 at 1:22 PM Rating: Default
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If you have the sense that you "have" to do anything...then this game is not for you.

I would suggest researching games before playing them since there's nothing you listed that the 14 community didn't already know about before the official release. There are few things in your list that will be tweaked/fixed/adjusted...but definitely not as fast as you will need to be satisfied. I'm very sorry you wasted your $$ on this.
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#5 Oct 06 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Default
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Maybe you can fix that wand with your tears.
#6 Oct 06 2010 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Forking up some cash for repair up to 75% or paying others to repair would have saved you hours.
I dunno, my time is worth more to me than to waste it on doing stuff I don't want to, especially just to repair my friggin' weapon. Which might I add grows in rank constantly, no way I'd be able to keep up a craft that quickly to repair it.

But you're right, a lot of the features in this game seem to be deliberately slow. Suspiciously slow even.

Edited, Oct 6th 2010 3:40pm by sylph19
#7 Oct 06 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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If you have the sense that you "have" to do anything...then this game is not for you.

I would suggest researching games before playing them since there's nothing you listed that the 14 community didn't already know about before the official release. There are few things in your list that will be tweaked/fixed/adjusted...but definitely not as fast as you will need to be satisfied. I'm very sorry you wasted your $$ on this


Spoken like a true fanboy.

Just because a community knows about some things doesnt make them acceptable. I see where the OP is coming from. He is not saying "This game sucks blah blah blah, I wasted my money blah blah blah." To me it seems he is pointing out that everything seems to intentionally be a time sink. Now I'm personally not surprised. Everything SE releases has needless time sinks. Its just how Japanese games are. But I really dont understand why they have to be like that. I enjoyed FFXI greatly but I really dont think I will settle for another game that is just another endless time sink built to keep you subscribed as long as possible. I like to play for fun and when the next MMORPG that drops on us that isnt a ridiculous unwarranted time sink, I'll definitely be jumping ship.

There's just games out there these days that are way more "fun" for most of your playtime rather than being a chore for 90% of your playtime and "fun" for the other 10% which is what FFXIV feels like to me and many other players at the moment.

FFXIV is just a game built to take our money. I mean Gridania is a gigantic zone that uses like 5 templates that are cut and pasted all over the place to make it "bigger". You can really tell how little effort went into designing it. Square Enix clearly is just aiming to tap into the current mmorpg market to make a few bucks. I know one thing, I'll be playing SW:TOR when it's released. And when I do, I doubt I even consider looking back to FFXIV. I know right now when I go back to FFXI I ask myself why I played it for 5 years when there's games out there designed to be fun, rather than designed to be a time sink and money vacuum.
#8 Oct 06 2010 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Moats wrote:
Maybe you can fix that wand with your tears.


Awesome.
#9 Oct 06 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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TY Soezu that is how I feel.

I do not hate the game and do not feel I wasted money on it. I just feel there are two ways to make a game.

The first is to have various end game objectives to do as one reaches the higher levels and the journey there was but a training ground for the 'real' game begins at that point.

The second way is to throw bear traps and tar pits all over the ground to impede your progress and suck away 6 months or more off your credit card before you get to the finish line and say to yourself "This is it?"

I just want to know that after I pour my soul into this billion hurdle dash that it will be worth it.


Edited, Oct 6th 2010 3:57pm by Twolow24
#10 Oct 06 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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What I do since I have 2 different armor sets and lots of tools. I will place it in bazaar with a nice gil reward and the mats if I have them (larger gil reward if I don’t, but not excessive). And almost every time while in city and staying in one spot (crafting helps pass the time in one spot). My armors will be repaired within 30 minutes or less. No need to shout or beg. And its is always cheaper then having the repair NPC do the repairs for my higher lvl gear. Staying near the Repair NPC works fastest for this as crafters in town like to gather around the repair NPC. This is far less expensive then trying to take on new crafts to repair them your self and far less time as well.

I understand everyone’s want to repair and make things for them selves, and in turn lvl every craft for it. But this is what drives everyone nuts in this game. When you start running around trying to lvl everything so you can make or repair everything you want or have, you get stressed and lose your original goals. Take a step back, breath and then remember there is a whole community of players here that (although are very quite) will help, most of the time with out even needing to be asked. So don’t get frustrated, Just focus on your one or 2 crafts for now, let someone else fix the things you can’t fix. And later come back to lvling your other stuff if you want. And don;t forget there is benefit for crafters to repair you items. On top of gil they get skill points toward there craft for each repair. So I know as a crafter myself, I like repairing other players gear whenever I come across it.

also use this site as well as zam: http://www.ffxivpro.com closest thing we have to search fuction for bazaars, it works and will help finding items you need fast.

Hope this helps at least some what.
Good luck ^^
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#11 Oct 06 2010 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Its only Beta..oh wait! Honestly I think they are stalling because of the PS3 release. They are gonna get it pretty and shiny. At least I hope. As far as repairing equipment bazaar it and offer 1-3k or Xtals. Go to the Carpenters Guild or anywhere where there are people crafting and go Afk for 5-10min I almost guarantee it will get repaired.
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#12 Oct 06 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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TY Otogi. If I may ask, what is a fair gil to offer? I will try that tonight when I finish playing and will just leave myself logged in near the repair guy seeking repairs. I have considered it but didn't have any clue as to what to offer for repairs for items.
#13 Oct 06 2010 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I thought you meant this delicious cake.

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#14 Oct 06 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Pikko wrote:
Yeah I'm not too happy about needing a saw either. I also need a new needle. I guess it's time to take up freaking Blacksmithing and Mining too now? /mad


What server are you on? I'm on Rabanastre. I have a few extra Bronze Needles taking up bazaar space. You can have one if you're on the same server. Forsaken Soul is my name in game.
#15 Oct 06 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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The cake is indeed a lie (and in Lyle's case, a lie that will get you several years in a federal penitentiary).
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#16 Oct 06 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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I offer around 3k to 5k on average. When/if I have the mats usually I will do 3-4k and offer higher gil when I don;t have the mats. The amount of gil varies based on the difficulty of the item when crafted so you will need to play around with prices. But as a general amount I stick to 3-5k.

Also keep in mind if you bought that new higher rank armor that just started to show up in bazaars, It may take longer to find someone to repair it as there many only be a handful of players that have the rank high enough to fix it at this point in time, and this is another reason not the jump on the latest and greatest armor to show up. The more common the item and more common it becomes the faster you will have it repaired.

Another note kind of touching back to the above statement. Don;t buy the newest gear regardless of what other players say. This was a valued lesson I learned at the NA release of FFXI. What ends up happening is you spend 150k or more for that new shiny higher lvl item (like Bronze Haubergon), just to really be “one of those guys”. 2 months later that item is very common its is also only low to mid lvl in the bigger scheme of things, which means it will be fairly cheap. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 2 weeks max the bronze Haubergons floating around for 150-200k right now will be selling for 40k or less (saving you 110k or more by waiting a week or two). Doing this will mean you have a surplus of gil to spend on crafting, food or just more money later when the economy starts to find itself in this game and settle down. You will be thankful for it later. If this option isn’t for you (like myself) then consider doing what I said in the last post make friends with higher crafters and barter.

I got my Haubergon for 15k and trades of items I was able to make. Same with a lot of my other items that other players are always asking me where I got them. Other items I have gotten through Barter and very cheap due to it are, Chocobotail saw, Plumed Bronze Pickaxe, Bronze Hatchet heads (which I turned into Bronze Hatchets +1 and used for more bartering), Dodoskin jerkin (awesome for BTN and still haven’t seen anyone with one yet), Spiked Bronze Labrys, Birdsbeak Hammer (got last night for 20k) and lots of other armors and parts, And I have barely paid anything for them all. This game is very very community based, and the only problem is that the mass population at this point hasn;t realized it and it is up to you to make what you want of it and get things done. Best way to do that is make new friends (be the one to break the ice, and don't wait for other to come to you).

sorry for another long winded one, but hope this info helps ^^
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#17 Oct 06 2010 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Pikko wrote:
Yeah I'm not too happy about needing a saw either. I also need a new needle. I guess it's time to take up freaking Blacksmithing and Mining too now? /mad


What server are you on? I'm on Rabanastre. I have a few extra Bronze Needles taking up bazaar space. You can have one if you're on the same server. Forsaken Soul is my name in game.


Given that it's Pikko, and that Bronze Needles are everywhere for very cheap, she more likely needs an Iron Needle.
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#18 Oct 06 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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...Everything SE releases has needless time sinks. Its just how Japanese games are. But I really dont understand why they have to be like that...
It's the radiation poisoning.
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#19 Oct 06 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Default
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Isn't needless time sink the definition of online gaming?

I'm enjoying the gaming. What's with Americans wanting everything done so fast and effortlessly? No wonder they're so obese. :P

EDIT: :P

Edited, Oct 6th 2010 4:55pm by jwhite1083
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#20 Oct 06 2010 at 3:07 PM Rating: Default
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The cake is NOT a lie! It is however, a gigantic multi-layered cowpie with frosting and cherries on it.
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