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#1 Oct 06 2010 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Edit: In spirit of keeping the multiple threads across forums with roughly the same idea, i re-wrote the first post here, to better convey my message.

please forgive any spelling errors, this is a very rough draft meant to draw people in to the cause.


Rough Draft 1 is being written. will finish it within a day or two, and revise it from there.
Hello Allak/Zam (you will forever be Allakazham to me <3)

My name is Naeo, bard of the bismarck server, and lancer of the melmond server.

During the past two weeks, i have seen and played XIV, and am disgusted by the shoddy work put into it. Not graphically mind you, as the game is aesthetically stunning. But rather, the work that has been put into the game mechanics itself, the lack of a organized Market Ward / AH. the half-***** way they threw things together.

I know Allak has a bond with SE, and I'm hoping through that bond, change can happen in our new home, as the rating and reviews of the game lately will begin to scare future players away. Now yes, i realize it's early in the game, and things will change over time, but Square-Enix has already proven it's unwillingness to listen to their consumers. I am not looking to cause hate for XIV, but rather a peaceful solution to issues that are rampant in the new game.

I am here to ask for your help, not just the admins, but the everyday joe shmoe and jo-anna shmoe. MMO creators should at least take their players thoughts and input, and seriously consider them, not just toss them aside like so many used condom wrappers.

I am looking to gather a unified front, of EU, JP, and NA players, to try and see things get better in Eorzea, before SE decides to get off their rocker and do it because they're tired of hearing us whine. To do this, I need all of you. Some may see this as me QQing, crying because i don't like the game, when in fact it's the opposite, i see potential in XIV. the core gameplay is great, i like the class system mostly. But if change is to happen, without enduring another 8 years of being ignored while being thrown little table scraps, We must unite, individually, SE sees us as nothing, just another 15 dollars a month. together, we're their salary.

I'm not suggesting boycotting them, not at all, but rather, I intend to draft a letter, professional sounding, courteous, and above all, detailed with what we, the players, believe should be changed. If we stand together, I believe our voices may be heard, and the players for once, may see something they believe would be good for the game, come to light.

So i beseech you, help my cause, help me and those that agree with me, make Eorzea a better place.


In the near future, while i finalize the letter, i will be looking for numerous people to email, and snail mail SE, enough so they cannot simply shove it in the trash. If enough people are on this, the media will get wind, and SE will have to change things for the better, instead of taking advantage of our money, advantage of the artists who put so much effort into this game, and the story writers who have continued to inspire our creative minds since we were little.


Current things players have said they have an issue with:

AH/Lack of an organized Market Ward - the clustering of the wards is causing discord amongst players, spending hours upon hours to find an item, just to see Susie Q of Gridania is selling the only Harpoon you've found for 100k, The economy will take much longer to balance out without some form of stability. SE has already said they intend to organize it, but i still believe we need an AH, a central place to sell.

Gathering Classes secondary point - Miners, Botanists, and Fishermen have a hard time finding their secondary gathering nodes, though less harsh for fishermen, i can spend hours trying to locate a quarry point, or harvesting point. a simple ability that acts like prospect would be nice.

Item sort - we have 80 spaces, that are so crammed together with multiple types of items it's time consuming to find them, a simple item sort function would be nice

Lag - the game is hosted on the game servers, which in theory is nice, but it takes most PCs a minute or more to load the NPCs, return the NPCs and basic shops back to the user side, with the sales transacting through the server to give us our gil. 10 seconds to load your inventory, followed by another 10 for the window to load your item sale screen, followed by another 10 for the item to sell, it a tad much. it takes up to much of our time.

Mage Battle - curing while being a conjurer is difficult, the targeting is harsh, and there's no real indicator on the party screen who you're targeting, you have to change your camera around til you find the purple/blue circle, which could mean life or death in some party cases. a simple arrow like XI had on the party bars would be nice, it's a simple graphical fix.

Search Function - the search function in the party menu is a bit clunky, and there's no search commands, at the very least a seacom would be nice to sell your wares, so people can read before they run into you, at least then they'll know if you have anything of worth to them or not.


I thank you for your time, and look forward to working along side those of you who feel the same as I do.


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#2 Oct 06 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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i find it sad, and slightly comical, that everyone's complaining about the game, and yet no one attempts to help change it...

when did everyone get so complacent that they're willing to let a game suck so badly, and yet play for it. IN HOPES that it gets better with age like some wine?
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I really do like seeing people take this type of assertiveness instead of wallowing in despair at the game. I do severely doubt that, regardless of the quantity of folks that you manage to rustle together (I don't mind signing a petition or such), SE will allow this type of stunt to change their outlook or business plans. I, unfortunately, believe that the only effective way to handle it is to give time for reviewers to continue giving bad reviews and allow the subscription base to dwindle after the first month.

I am really happy to see that you are handling the situation in a really hopeful way, though. I am sure things will work themselves out eventually, I just hope everyone can be as ambitious as you in dealing with their disappointment.
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I would rather try and fail, then to have just remained silent and annoyed while waiting for SE to get their act together for a second round of "Yank the noose around the gamer"

They chugged us along in XI, i'm really hoping there's enough disgrusntled players that SE wont be able to simply ignore us. I have a Japanese friend that's working the same angle on that side of the world, since i'm not fluent enough in japanese to persuade the masses
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Tidane's thread on the first page here has an exhaustive list of issues.
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i'll look it up and add what i haven't already added to my list =]
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#7 Oct 06 2010 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
What??? Holy cow, i didn't realize there were issues. Though i thought i read something about them somewhere.... Oh yeah, The entire front page of Zam for the last 2 weeks.

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During the past two weeks, i have seen and played XIV, and am applaud by the shoddy work put into it.


I'm also very sorry that you are applaud.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 1:48am by Tenfooterten
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Tenfooterten wrote:
What??? Holy cow, i didn't realize there were issues. Though i thought i read something about them somewhere.... Oh yeah, The entire front page of Zam for the last 2 weeks.

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During the past two weeks, i have seen and played XIV, and am applaud by the shoddy work put into it.


I'm also very sorry that you are applaud.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 1:48am by Tenfooterten



thank you for pointing out that error >_>; -goes to fix-
Fixed~

however, did you do more than skim the first paragraph? this isn't a thread complaining for no reason, i'm actually trying to do find a solution.

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#9 Oct 06 2010 at 11:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Naeo wrote:

Change, it needs to happen.


Obvious, this thread's title is.
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#10 Oct 06 2010 at 11:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Naeo wrote:
i find it sad, and slightly comical, that everyone's complaining about the game, and yet no one attempts to help change it...

when did everyone get so complacent that they're willing to let a game suck so badly, and yet play for it. IN HOPES that it gets better with age like some wine?



You are funny!!
How to help make it better when there is not even a feedback forum anymore. Write Tickets to SE? No sir! SE isn't answering Tickets. They even at moment stopped GM Service for FFXIV, thats at least what they told me.

So how the **** should we all help to make the game better? Being quiet and pay? Right....
#11 Oct 07 2010 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Tenfooterten wrote:
What??? Holy cow, i didn't realize there were issues. Though i thought i read something about them somewhere.... Oh yeah, The entire front page of Zam for the last 2 weeks.

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During the past two weeks, i have seen and played XIV, and am applaud by the shoddy work put into it.


I'm also very sorry that you are applaud.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 1:48am by Tenfooterten



thank you for pointing out that error >_>; -goes to fix-
Fixed~

however, did you do more than skim the first paragraph? this isn't a thread complaining for no reason, i'm actually trying to do find a solution.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 1:55am by Naeo

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 1:56am by Naeo


I was just being sarcastic. Solutions will only come from the devs. Anything else is just wishful thinking.
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you do realize, they have a mailing address, as does any company, and they have email addresses that are open to the public to use (granted, individual ones probably get ignored)

it's not a quick fix, it requires people to actually want something for more than 5 seconds other than to QQ. It's been proven time and time again, enough people bombard a company with negative feedback, they're going to change it, or risk losing their income.

it doesn't even require any work on the other people's parts, as me and the couple of people that initially decided it was a good idea, are doing all the leg work, finding out what the majority believe to be breaking issues, and solutions that should please most of the players. all that's required of the people willing to help, is to send off a letter and an email. ffs, i dont even have the rough draft completed yet, so people can sit back on their laurels for a bit while I do the real work.

But i see people would rather flame and troll, than be productive for a hot minute.

as I've said on the other threads I've got up: if you're not going to help, get the **** out of my thread. I don't have time to deal with people who want to ***** and moan, and not at least try to fix it.


@Tenfooter - i apologize for my brash response then, i've been dealing with trolls all day who have nothing better to do than complain, then defend SE when i try to approach this like a reasonable human being.

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SIGH...

I just spent the last 45 minutes trying to find a bronze legging with no luck. That was only searching one ward. Granted there are many other wards which probably has what I need but I only have about 2 hours a day to play. Why am I going to spend almost half that time to look for one item that might no even be there? I don't see how an AH would ruin a game. It worked great in FFXI.

Another note. Anyone else feel that this game is more about crafting than fighting and adventuring? You can pick up regional quests to mine and do botany and then fill up on local quests for crafting. I understand there are those who enjoy that but I always felt the emphasis of any successful mmo was on the adventuring and fighting part. Otherwise there would be a world of crafting, final craftasy xxiv, evercraft III. etc. I bought the collectors edition after taking a very long break from FFXI. I had extremely high hopes for this game and am disappointed to say the least. I feel free to play games are more fun to me right now like league of legends. So the nearly 80 bucks on CE was a waste for me. Sadly by the time they fix things I think it will be too late. 5 years ago I think the MMO crowd was much more patient and forgiving but now there are more mmo's coming out all the time and since it's not a new idea anymore people expect more out of a new game.

I hate to see it but I think FFXIV will end up like Warhammer online. Too many bugs at the launch and once the 30 days are up tons of people are going to leave and never come back. Same thing happened to Aion. Same thing will happen to any MMO that can't get some of the basics right at launch. I can list more things but I am ranting too much already.
#14 Oct 07 2010 at 12:10 AM Rating: Decent
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you do realize, they have a mailing address, as does any company, and they have email addresses that are open to the public to use (granted, individual ones probably get ignored)

it's not a quick fix, it requires people to actually want something for more than 5 seconds other than to QQ. It's been proven time and time again, enough people bombard a company with negative feedback, they're going to change it, or risk losing their income.

it doesn't even require any work on the other people's parts, as me and the couple of people that initially decided it was a good idea, are doing all the leg work, finding out what the majority believe to be breaking issues, and solutions that should please most of the players. all that's required of the people willing to help, is to send off a letter and an email. ffs, i dont even have the rough draft completed yet, so people can sit back on their laurels for a bit while I do the real work.

But i see people would rather flame and troll, than be productive for a hot minute.

as I've said on the other threads I've got up: if you're not going to help, get the **** out of my thread. I don't have time to deal with people who want to ***** and moan, and not at least try to fix it.


@Tenfooter - i apologize for my brash response then, i've been dealing with trolls all day who have nothing better to do than complain, then defend SE when i try to approach this like a reasonable human being.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 2:02am by Naeo


NP man. I just guess that i'm one of the few people that has a bit more faith in the new system. I think if more people actually tried to use it and make it work, it would work. It seems most people ***** just because other people are *********
Take the retainer system. Everybody parks there retainer in the first ward selling moko grass. They aren't even trying to make it work. In game, most people sell the good stuff in their bazaars anyhow. It's a non factor to me. Laziness is breaking this game, and fear of something different. I just read a post, where someone found something new, and it renewed his strength to play the game longer.

I do appreciate the fact that you are actually taking this whole thing with a good, adult attitude. If anything could stand a chance to work, it's your kind of thinking anyway.
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I like the retainer system, but i haven't done much with it, aside from seek for Wind Shards, and sell off the hats i've been masscrafting for SP >_>;

that, and as a general storage mule for the millions of things i've been making that i've yet to find a use for XD

the core gameplay is good, but the UI needs to change, and SE hosting everything server side needs to be re-thought. XI excelled as well as it did partially to the user friendly UI, and the fact that the NPCs and such were hosted player side, so things loaded quicker.

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awe, that's cute, a troll. go away now, let the big boys try and attempt to get something done while you ammount to nothing <3
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Hi Naeo! /wave... this is Lurex from Bismarck, and I was in your linkshell for a short period of time. I don't know if you remember me or not.

I'm going to use this post as a placeholder for some information that I would like you to add. As things come to me I will update.

I briefly read through what you have so far and I have not seen the following mentioned:


Repair System, IMO is overly complicated. I like the idea of a repair system, I don't even mind repairing gear myself, if need be. BUT... Reduce the wear timeframe on gear and make it easier to identify what is in need of repair. Be able to unequip undergear if you need to repair that. Just make the whole process easier.

Targeting System Way too complicated, for monsters and charcters in party. When I am tabbing through monsters, the one closest to me should be targeted first. Look at Aion for tips on this, I think they have a great targeting system, albeit for PC only. Even "show targets target" is nice cause if I'm healing the tank as a cleric, I can then hit the ~assist button and toggle to the mob and put a DoT on it then toggle back to the Tank effortlessly. F-1 thru F-5 or w/e would be nice for party member targeting. Put party member in upper left corner or be able to move it around the gamescreen to your liking.

Looking for Party Needs complete overhaul, I don't even understand it. Again, I will cite Aion, LFG ... Request group, I type in what I am looking to do and who I want to join. Request Group shows me what jobs they have and I can simply click it to apply.

Party Memebers on Map Needs to be shown on the Main Map.

Chat Channel is currently a MESS. I will cite Aion again. I should have tabs, and be able to pull a tab out and place it somewhere else on my gamepage so I can look at different chats at once if needed. I should be able to click a players name and send them a tell effortlessly. Aion has a great chat system, imo.



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Played to phys lv18, pug 16, mar 11, goldsmith 8, and I'm completely bored of ffxiv. Sick of lag (server side), **** poor UI, glitches like mobs walking away from combat and healing while you continue to take dmg. Yeah no AH and all the other silly **** aside, only thing I liked about this is graphics. I'll sit it out till they put a decent product in front of us, which will happen by time it is released for PS3. Until then it is a total waste of time & $. Sucks the beta was more fun that the release.
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I remember you Lurex =] i'll add it to my list, not at the moment, as i'm crafting. just posting on the forums and such and getting feed back/ new things to add to my list. i'm dedicating my evenings to mass-typing/working on things while i semi-work and collect info during the day.

I dont see XIV sinking or being APB all over again, so i'm actually putting time and effort in.
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SIGH...

Otherwise there would be a world of crafting, final craftasy xxiv, evercraft III. etc.


lol thanks for the good laugh!
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Please, try to keep flaming and trolling to a minimum =/ this is something i'm actually trying to do, and random troll posts make it all the more time consuming for me to organize this.
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I'll check this thread regularly. It'd be a lot easier if SE made some way for us to provide feedback to them directly.

Regardless, I /join your cause. Thank you for trying to consolidate all of our issues and for trying to find a way to get SE's attention.
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the have a email system somewhere... i have to dig up the link, and need to put it on the top page later tonight, however i don't think a sporadic email here and there will get their attention. Thus the project was born, once i have the final letter and email typed up, I'd like it if everyone capable could email and snail mail a letter to them.

if enough people do it, SE would be hard pressed to ignore it. My goal is to get gaming review sites in on it, and hopefully nab the attention of a gaming magazine. if enough word spreads, it becomes a very bad PR storm for SE when people not familiar with their ways find out SE has never given thought to the ideas of their players.

and that's fine, in a console game, but when they stepped their feet into the MMO pool, SE opened the floodgates and forced themselves into the position of listen to their member base and prosper through small ideas, or ignore us like they are, and this is where it lands them in their second bout in the same pool.

Personally, i took **** near a decade of being ignored while i ignorantly chugged along in Vana'diel, never speaking up because i was a minor when i started played. I refuse to be ignored this time.

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awe, that's cute, a troll. go away now, let the big boys try and attempt to get something done while you ammount to nothing <3



The height of your life right now is drafting a letter about stuff they already know. Amount to nothing indeed.
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I believe the only way the changes the paying population want done is when after the first 30 days are up and half+ of subscriptions aren't renewed. Then maybe someone in SE might actually pop their head out the cubicle and ask "What the %^&$ happened here?"
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Naeo, do you remember a certain "intern" whom you helped oh so much?

I am quite willing to hop on board and help with your endeavor. If you wish I can coordinate with my social network to organize the mail-wave that you are talking about. Shoot me a PM and I can fill you in on some of the things I have in mind.

I to am rather disgruntled about the current state of XIV. After having purchased the CE for the headstart, I got a very vague experience with shiny graphics covered therein.

I believe that XIV has the potential to become a very solid game. However it will be a long and drawn out process for that to happen, due to the nature of the current issues. (I.E. client side/ server side bugs, UI efficiency, server stability, etc)

In closing I think what you are proposing is a great idea. Remember this :"The greatest waves are started with the smallest of stones"

Sincerely,
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Intern, where the ****'s my coffee D:<

<3 i misses you man!
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awe, that's cute, a troll. go away now, let the big boys try and attempt to get something done while you amount to nothing <3



The height of your life right now is drafting a letter about stuff they already know. Amount to nothing indeed.



do you know nothing about companies? it's financial suicide if enough people send communications to a business, that go unheard, if they all contain the same grievances.

not to mention with a big enough group of people, it creates even more bad PR, and creates a tsunami of trouble for SE if my JP friends can get the many angry japanese players to join the cause.

It may seem minuscule, but i don't see you doing anything to help the situation other than try and berate my character.

and the height of my life right now? haha. you know nothing about me, just because someone is passionate about something, does not mean it becomes all encompassing

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I don't really see the point in working to change a game I pay for. If I grow disinterested in the game I will stop paying. If SE wanted my feedback, they would have some system in place to solicit it. The devs know what the complaints are, the question is whether they have any desire to make changes; and SE is woefully quiet on that point.

On the other hand, I guess if you enjoy the process of trying to influence SE's development team then have at it. I just don't get it.

And just because you believe that SE ignoring their player base is financial suicide does not mean you will convince them of it. On the contrary, there is quite a bit of money to be made by ignoring the people whose money you are taking, just ask your congressman/woman.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 7:55pm by Raeolthas
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#31 Oct 07 2010 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree to your post and support you. Get it done :).
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The solution to these errors has come and passed. Anyone who was involved in alpha/beta testing will tell you that most if not all of these issues were brought to the attention of the devs(or whoever was supposed to be reading feedback) and we all watched in horror as the game proceeded forward with nearly none of those issues addressed.

I honestly wish that I had saved those parts of the alpha forums. If people could see that these problems could have been avoided then maybe there would be much less sympathy for SE here. Not that I would want everyone standing outside of headquarters with pitchforks, but it would really expose how poorly this has been handled by the company many of us know and love. For this reason I don't think all of these open letters posted in forums would matter even if they were written in Japanese. SE seems to think they have more knowledge of what is going on with this game(probable) and how to fix it(highly unlikely).

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#33 Oct 07 2010 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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Intern, where the ****'s my coffee D:<

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Coffee is in the mail... You wouldnt believe how difficult it is to get a beverage sent from one side of the country to the other......

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#34 Oct 07 2010 at 6:42 PM Rating: Default
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Naeo wrote:
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awe, that's cute, a troll. go away now, let the big boys try and attempt to get something done while you amount to nothing <3



The height of your life right now is drafting a letter about stuff they already know. Amount to nothing indeed.



do you know nothing about companies? it's financial suicide if enough people send communications to a business, that go unheard, if they all contain the same grievances.

not to mention with a big enough group of people, it creates even more bad PR, and creates a tsunami of trouble for SE if my JP friends can get the many angry japanese players to join the cause.

It may seem minuscule, but i don't see you doing anything to help the situation other than try and berate my character.

and the height of my life right now? haha. you know nothing about me, just because someone is passionate about something, does not mean it becomes all encompassing

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 7:53pm by Naeo


Companies? Yes I run a couple. SE knows what the problem is. Important entities in the gaming community have already covered about all that needs covered in front of the masses. I'm sure that pretty much tore any holes that needed torn already. The cause has been spearheaded to death and then like on monday night football 4 other guys jumped on that pile too for no reason. All that and not 1 player even knows what the game has in store yet.

It's been all of 7 days since release and you want a mf'in miracle. That pretty much tells me you don't know how games are made or what it takes to run/modify a game. ****, within a week of CE release they were already spitting out fixes for problems. I'm not sure what you think is going to happen, but I can assure you financial suicide if it was headed that way is already coming.

I won't defend their mistakes much. Things need fixed. The point is: THEY KNOW and they are fixing them I'm sure as fast as possible.


#35 Oct 07 2010 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
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you know, i have to say, i'm slightly shocked.

people complain, complain, complain, and yet, do nothing on their own, they rely on the company that makes the game. When did people become so cowardly they refuse to stand up for quality?

Instead, those that complain try to deter me from attempting to stand up for my idea that quality should be there, and get people that feel the same way, to join me. as i've said countless times, if you're not going to help, get the **** off my thread, you wont talk me out of this, i'd rather try and fail, but atleast then i can say i tried and didn't just complain like so many of you are.

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#36 Oct 07 2010 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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It's a novel idea Naeo, but you can be sure that SE's PR has already made the who's-who aware.
What we need is one post where all complaints go because everyone creating a new one with the same comments really sucks and gets nothing accomplished.

What most people don't seem to understand is that this is not Final Fantasy XI-2, but they expect it to behave that way.
You can't forgive most of the obvious flaws though, this isn't exactly SE's first crack at an MMO.

zoltanrs summed it up pretty much.
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#37 Oct 07 2010 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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yes, it's new, but no game should have been so rushed, and alpha/beta testers have already said SE ignored most of their complaints with the game.

it's sickening that SE expects us to pay to play this garbage, while they tweak it for 6 months before the ps3 happens. They should have just postponed the entire release, until the game was reasonable. I dont want perfection, i just want a playable game that doesn't lag when i try to go into my menu.

I realize every MMO released, will have issues, i'm okay with that, but XIV is so riddled with ***** ups SE should yank it from the shelves, turn off the servers and just admit they screwed up royally, and reopen beta testing, and for once in their lives, LISTEN to the people that are paying for the game.
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#38 Oct 07 2010 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I will sign your petition, and i have yet to buy the game as i WAS waiting for the ps3 release. My hope is that square will flip its game around... i mean i would hate to see them **** away such impressive talents and reputations, they have Nobuo Uematsu working on the music in witch he is incredibly skilled at matching with emotion to give a story that extra oomph, and Hiromichi Tanaka who was involved with many FF games and surely familiar with what makes a grand story line and characters that stir both touching feelings and curiosity about the characters backstory. as far as UI problems they have managed to keep players involved in FFXI for a very impressive time so as far as MMORPGs go they should have a knowledge of what consumers enjoy and what they dont and more importantly they should have noticed the games controls at least needed to flow fluidly to encompass the new players they were attempting to targetcthis go around. But the biggest point to get across is you simply must listen to your fans and consumers(i.e. demand and supply) its not only a good idea to play nice but they might find it quite proffitable. At any rate i hope they redeam themselves and when i buy thier fixed product on ps3 i look foreward to being emersed and overjoyed as should be the feeling of every FF game.
#39 Oct 07 2010 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Let me put it this way. Even if you were to create your little boat, get everyone on board, and sail off to Square-Enix in hopes that they see you and take notice for change, think again. The mighty arm of Square-Enix will appear out of the sky with a lighter in hand and burn your little boat down before you approach land. The best way to hit them where it hurts is their wallet, i.e. "bottom line". The sooner the director is removed from the project, the better.

But in all honesty, I pray they make a lot of overhauls and appeal to their consumers. The old Japanese adage of "They'll **** well like what we give them" does not work in today's highly competitive and expansive market.
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i'm well aware of this, which is why i'm the willing to put my name on the letters i send, other people are welcome to send them without their name, if they fear retribution from SE.

Personally, what are they going to do, ban me because i'm trying to peacefully get them to realize they're being narrowminded children by expecting us to be okay with rotten table scraps?
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Naeo wrote:
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awe, that's cute, a troll. go away now, let the big boys try and attempt to get something done while you amount to nothing <3



The height of your life right now is drafting a letter about stuff they already know. Amount to nothing indeed.



do you know nothing about companies? it's financial suicide if enough people send communications to a business, that go unheard, if they all contain the same grievances.

not to mention with a big enough group of people, it creates even more bad PR, and creates a tsunami of trouble for SE if my JP friends can get the many angry japanese players to join the cause.

It may seem minuscule, but i don't see you doing anything to help the situation other than try and berate my character.

and the height of my life right now? haha. you know nothing about me, just because someone is passionate about something, does not mean it becomes all encompassing

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 7:53pm by Naeo


Although a nice concept, the problem with this is by taking the time to do something like this, they see it as a refusal to simply speak with your wallet and not your words. It is not my/your job to help SE to make a good game, it is theirs, otherwise I demand some of the profits. With a game in this state, simply move on. Then, the best you can hope for is that they use the experience to drastically change the game to draw some of the user base back. That or it closes its doors. Either way, you shouldn't be paying them to develop their game. They are supposed to finance it, then sell you the finished product. I expect nothing less and you shouldn't either.

This is not meant to derail you in any way and I admire what you are trying to do, but if they were in our/your shoes, they would simply stop paying us. They see (and will exploit) any thing else as a weakness. They're businessmen.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 10:45pm by DragonBourne
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Naeo wrote:
i'm well aware of this, which is why i'm the willing to put my name on the letters i send, other people are welcome to send them without their name, if they fear retribution from SE.

Personally, what are they going to do, ban me because i'm trying to peacefully get them to realize they're being narrowminded children by expecting us to be okay with rotten table scraps?


In the end, I hope it at least makes them think about what they're doing.

God speed.
#43 Oct 07 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Decent
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DragonBourne wrote:
Naeo wrote:
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Naeo wrote:
awe, that's cute, a troll. go away now, let the big boys try and attempt to get something done while you amount to nothing <3



The height of your life right now is drafting a letter about stuff they already know. Amount to nothing indeed.



do you know nothing about companies? it's financial suicide if enough people send communications to a business, that go unheard, if they all contain the same grievances.

not to mention with a big enough group of people, it creates even more bad PR, and creates a tsunami of trouble for SE if my JP friends can get the many angry japanese players to join the cause.

It may seem minuscule, but i don't see you doing anything to help the situation other than try and berate my character.

and the height of my life right now? haha. you know nothing about me, just because someone is passionate about something, does not mean it becomes all encompassing

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 7:53pm by Naeo


Although a nice concept, the problem with this is by taking the time to do something like this, they see it as a refusal to simply speak with your wallet and not your words. It is not my/your job to help SE to make a good game, it is theirs, otherwise I demand some of the profits. With a game in this state, simply move on. Then, the best you can hope for is that they use the experience to drastically change the game to draw some of the user base back. That or it closes its doors. Either way, you shouldn't be paying them to develop their game. They are supposed to finance it, then sell you the finished product. I expect nothing less and you shouldn't either.

This is not meant to derail you in any way and I admire what you are trying to do, but if they were in our/your shoes, they would simply stop paying us. They see (and will exploit) any thing else as a weakness. They're businessmen.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 10:45pm by DragonBourne



Very well said.
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have been updating things on my PC with info and such for the project.

I will be updating the first post within the next 24 hours with everything.
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#45 Oct 11 2010 at 5:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Good work guys. What I would like to see on these forums is that everyone put in their sig the link to their character profile from the lodestone page. That way we can see who is actually playing when they post a complaint and how far they have progressed.

I get the feeling there are those that played for 8 mins couldnt figure anything out and didnt ask for help and then came here to say the game sucks.

So all the legit players please add the link to your sig and make yourself known.

This is not to brag but to give folks an idea of your time spent. Gripes carry more weight if you have playtime to back it up.

Also if you love the game having your sig showing your progress is a good way to show others that despite the issues that I believe will be fixed or improved, you have found a way to make the game work.

I dont want this game to go away. I love ffxi but I love this game too. I do however, agree that something has to improve for the future of the player base.
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i find it sad, and slightly comical, that everyone's complaining about the game, and yet no one attempts to help change it...

when did everyone get so complacent that they're willing to let a game suck so badly, and yet play for it. IN HOPES that it gets better with age like some wine?


It's because all we can do is whine, moan, complain and keep making more threads in FFXIV forums.....

SE would have looked at reviews of their game and I am very sure they at least have checked out the occasional forum and taken on what WE are some what saying.

Admin* can you make one of these "List of glitches" as a sticky? if some one can keep it up to date ;)
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#47 Oct 11 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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there's always constructive ways (such as this) to try and do something more than just flood a forum with QQ and "i quit" threads.

While i agree there's not much else we as consumers can do other than all out boycotting SE, this is the next best alternative.
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