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#1 Oct 07 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Any message board where FFXIV is discussed has completely gone up in flames. What few supporters of the game exist have been crucified by the raging mobs. The game has been labeled a failure. It has done irreversible damage to itself--even if they were to fix the hundreds of issues that plague the experience, the momentum is lost and large majority of this game's target market is already investing time and money in other venues, having completely disowned the FF franchise.

It is a sad era for Square Enix--the western culture sees them only as a shattered piece of the perfect crystal that once made games like Final Fantasy 7 and Chrono Trigger. The company that exists today is the failure that produced Final Fantasy 13 and 14. Two consecutive titles that managed to generate more rage than profit. Take off your hats, hold them over your hearts, and slowly watch as the titan Square Enix sinks into the briny deep. Salvage what you can from her empty rooms and cold corridors, and leave the rest behind you.
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#2 Oct 07 2010 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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Can't help but think that they deserve it.

Not only did they release a game 6 months too early, they didn't even listen to any of the feedback given to them during their short beta.

They'll fix this game eventually, but no amount of fixing will ever undo the damage this abysmal release has done. Just take a look at how badly Microsoft and Vista suffered from a terrible release.
#3 Oct 07 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Default
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i love this game, and no matter what anyone else crys about it wont change my view..

its a open ended game its not set in stone. so what if there is not alot of quests etc etc etc

SE release a game early im not going to denie that but im a addict already theres no hope for me when they fix the bugs and add extra content. If you dont want to play while its not "Perfect" go away and come back when it is. Dont get annoyed theres plenty more games you can go play while you wait :)
#4 Oct 07 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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Hugznkisses wrote:
the momentum is lost and large majority of this game's target market is already investing time and money in other venues, having completely disowned the FF franchise.


Where in the world are you getting those figures? Simply because a lot of people are coming and complaining about the game on the forums doesn't mean the game isn't doing well. Everyone who is actually enjoying the game is playing it, not writing about it. I don't know about you but checking the numbers on the servers indicate a nice healthy population.
#5 Oct 07 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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SleeplessMickey wrote:
Hugznkisses wrote:
the momentum is lost and large majority of this game's target market is already investing time and money in other venues, having completely disowned the FF franchise.


Where in the world are you getting those figures? Simply because a lot of people are coming and complaining about the game on the forums doesn't mean the game isn't doing well. Everyone who is actually enjoying the game is playing it, not writing about it. I don't know about you but checking the numbers on the servers indicate a nice healthy population.


I have to agree completely. While I HATE the UI and RAGE about lag and the simplicity of everything, I think Hugzn is just making stuff up based on nothing.

Plenty of people on my server, lots of items and equipment (if you can find them). Crowded camps and starter zones. Everything is going well - for now.

'Large majority' - what does that even mean???

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#6 Oct 07 2010 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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SleeplessMickey wrote:

Where in the world are you getting those figures? Simply because a lot of people are coming and complaining about the game on the forums doesn't mean the game isn't doing well. Everyone who is actually enjoying the game is playing it, not writing about it. I don't know about you but checking the numbers on the servers indicate a nice healthy population.


I, like you, have no numerical basis to my point. Just because there is a "healthy population" doesn't mean it isn't a small fraction of what it could be had it launched successfully. It's hard to evaluate the subscription level of a brand new MMO. What I can evaluate is the overwhelmingly negative reception, abysmal reviews, and topics about cancelling preorders and unending lists of complaints. Then I figure that out of hundreds of thousands of potential players of FFXIV, I can't be the only one who feels this way.
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#7 Oct 07 2010 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Hugznkisses wrote:


Just because there is a "healthy population" doesn't mean it isn't a small fraction of what it could be had it launched successfully.


That is also hearsay. We have no idea how much of an impact negativity has had on the overall success of the launch. It COULD have been better, but I wouldn't use that as an argument.

Hugznkisses wrote:

It's hard to evaluate the subscription level of a brand new MMO. What I can evaluate is the overwhelmingly negative reception, abysmal reviews, and topics about cancelling preorders and unending lists of complaints. Then I figure that out of hundreds of thousands of potential players of FFXIV, I can't be the only one who feels this way.


Okay again, where are you seeing an "overwhelmingly negative reception"? Based off of what, four major forums? Even if every post on all the forums was "overwhelmingly negative" it doesn't represent the actual population of people playing this game.

As far as the abysmal reviews? I assume you mean actual reviews that were not reviewing the beta. Because honestly I have only seen like two.


#8 Oct 07 2010 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Any message board where FFXIV is discussed has completely gone up in flames. What few supporters of the game exist have been crucified by the raging mobs. The game has been labeled a failure. It has done irreversible damage to itself--even if they were to fix the hundreds of issues that plague the experience, the momentum is lost and large majority of this game's target market is already investing time and money in other venues, having completely disowned the FF franchise.

It is a sad era for Square Enix--the western culture sees them only as a shattered piece of the perfect crystal that once made games like Final Fantasy 7 and Chrono Trigger. The company that exists today is the failure that produced Final Fantasy 13 and 14. Two consecutive titles that managed to generate more rage than profit. Take off your hats, hold them over your hearts, and slowly watch as the titan Square Enix sinks into the briny deep. Salvage what you can from her empty rooms and cold corridors, and leave the rest behind you.


I'm pretty sure SE sunk their own ship for the insurance money.
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again with FFXIII bashing...geeeeez i was about to rate you up and then that...FFXIII was actually a fun game, I don't know how someone wouldn't enjoy it, it was upbeat and kept you in the action - sure it missed out on some fundamentals but nothing near as bad as FFXIV.
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four major NA forums, along with multiple japanese gaming magazines, and if i could read japanese, i'd check their forums.

NA and JP players alike are livid with the release, but we all know SE has the potential to fix it, they just have to get their lazy asses off the chairs lined with our cash, and do their damned jobs.

throwing blind estimates out wont help make things any better, it just feeds the negativity.

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#11 Oct 07 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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To tell you the truth, I can't wait for this game to come out on the PS3. Being a strictly console gamer, even this "Failure" is exciting.

But maybe im saying this because my last mmo was PSU. An unfinished Squeenix game is better than PSU. ANYTHING is better then PSU.

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#12 Oct 07 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I, like you, have no numerical basis to my point. Just because there is a "healthy population" doesn't mean it isn't a small fraction of what it could be had it launched successfully. It's hard to evaluate the subscription level of a brand new MMO. What I can evaluate is the overwhelmingly negative reception, abysmal reviews, and topics about cancelling preorders and unending lists of complaints. Then I figure that out of hundreds of thousands of potential players of FFXIV, I can't be the only one who feels this way.


Define successful MMO launch. Really, the expectations that have come with FFXIV are balanced against what? I really can't understand the logic behind all the rage BS going on. There is one major fact with MMO's in general, that forums are going to be lit up with constant flaming and raging. Why? Because that's what they're there for, and because the people who aren't complaining are playing the game.

Look at any other MMO forums. They're full of complaints and arguments of how it could be better. Players calling devs morons. Players declaring their idea's would make the game the best game out there. Look at the World of Warcraft forums...especially their official boards. Doing so alone would make my point.

FFXIV launched in the exact state I hoped for. It's playable and enjoyable, as long as you don't expect it to be something it's not...a finished MMO. Because what is a finished MMO? Developers that pin all their hopes on defining the permanent characteristics of their game prior to launch are helpless to their own constraints. Look at APB (All Points Bulletin). That game launched with a 6.5 Gamespot score. Better than FFXIV, right? Yet it was down the tubes in a month. AoC released with an 8.5 Gamespot score...yet that didn't stop the complaints on their boards...and it still isn't a huge success. It took Vanguard years, literally, before the fan base decided the game was good, and for better reviews to come along. Everyone wants to rush to judgement, but the bottom line is...MMO's are constantly evolving games. They aren't single player RPG's with worlds defined right from the start. They are open ended.

Some of the best MMO's to date are what they are because they evolved. The "good" developers build on what they start with, without defining the barriers before. Square-Enix is taking their development in stride. They took 4-5 years to create a great game engine, gorgeous world and in game lore, baseline systems and ideas...and now they will tweak/rework/redefine things as needed. They expected the market issues because they wanted to work from the ground up...but as it is, I see people on my server in new, shiney gear...and I see packed market wards with people selling things. In essence, things work as they are, they just aren't optimal. I won't defend a lot of things because I feel the same way...but I didn't go into it expected a game that could duke it out with other games that have been released for 4-8 years. I expected a game fresh and new, with new systems and things I don't understand.

IMO, a lot of gamers are trying FFXIV and complaining because it's not what they expected. But what they expected was a finished game for them to beat...not the birth of a new MMO with room to grow and new things to understand. Everyone is so caught up in having handed to them what they expect and feel is right, that they totally ignore the potential that's there. I can't get enough, despite all the problems...I look forward to logging on every day. So those claiming Square-Enix is down for the count...feel free to do so. It's not going to stop the people that enjoy the game from enjoying it.
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#13 Oct 07 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm having a blast with the game. Lowest population I have seen on Rabanastre is around 1900 people. Seems like a decent population to me. Sure some things need to be worked on, but I'm not about to bash a 1 week (2 week for the CE) old MMO. It will look a lot different in 3 months let alone 1 year.
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#14 Oct 07 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've made the comparison to Everquest 2 before, I know, but I swear I'm seeing history repeat itself.

First, a caveat: Squeenix never had the player base size and share with FFXI that the original Everquest had. I know that. But FFXI is/was successful and has a sizable and loyal following, so the similarities remain.

SOE farked up with the launch of EQ2. The basis for a good game was there, and it looked good, but they got too cute with some of the design decisions. The game was frustrating, and not because of the sheer difficulty. Heck, you didn't get much more unforgiving than playing the first Everquest - it was brutal, so we were used to that. EQ2 just wasn't a fun game after release. I quit, and all my friends quit. I was the only one of us to give it another go later on.

SOE wound up fixing everything over the next couple years. It's been a great game for a long time. But the vast majority of the original player base never came back. Has it survived? Sure, but they've been mired in "niche" status ever since. All of that momentum that Verant and then SOE had... they could have used all that momentum to steamroll their way into dominance yet again. But they blew it. The saying is true: you never get a second chance to make a first impression.

I hope the same happens to FFXIV, because that's the best we can hope for at this point. Their launch has forever tainted this game into something that will never, ever be a major force in the MMO market. Now, I'm sure that some people will be fine with that. The problem is that a smaller user base equals less revenue, and less revenue means less resources used to improve the game. Not to mention that the chances are much greater that the game will falter completely.

I'm happy for the people that are enjoying the game as it is, right now. Please, enjoy your game and have a good time. But even those players should be rooting for Square-Enix to fix things and quick, if only to keep the hope alive that even a small portion of people who were disenchanted with the release will come back. Sadly, most never will no matter what they do at this point. That's what happens when you stumble so badly out of the gate.
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#15 Oct 07 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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SleeplessMickey wrote:
Hugznkisses wrote:
the momentum is lost and large majority of this game's target market is already investing time and money in other venues, having completely disowned the FF franchise.


Where in the world are you getting those figures? Simply because a lot of people are coming and complaining about the game on the forums doesn't mean the game isn't doing well. Everyone who is actually enjoying the game is playing it, not writing about it. I don't know about you but checking the numbers on the servers indicate a nice healthy population.



I agree with this. FFXIV is currently doing fine, and I think that despite alot of dropoff thats likely to occur, servers will be up for years, updates will come, expansions will come. This game going to keep the numbers required to keep this a successful business move. However, It could have been great. I don't think 14 will meet or exceed 11's numbers. I don't think it will last as long. I think the initial problems such as lack of sort/exp bugs, as well as what many consider poor design choices (retainers, random skillups, repair system) will keep the game in the average at best subscription numbers.


I think at this point both sides are getting pretty over dramatic. No the game's not going to cripple and shut down in 3 months like APB. At the same time, there is alot wrong with the game, and its just a vocal minority complaining while 90% of players are thrilled in game. What I hear is alot of is "this game would/could be great if <insert complaint here>". Some people its too much, some people will continue playing despite what they dont like, because what they do is enough.


Personally, I'm very disappointed with the game. Its got until 11/22 to do something to wow me or I'm done. the Final Fantasy brand has lost me. I'm back to judgeing their games on their merits, and not blinding buying/supporting FF titles. There's far too many new MMOs coming out for me to waste more than 2 months on something I feel is sub par. If SWTOR, GW2, and the upcoming DC universe all feel worse than 14, I'll give it another shot.
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I've made the comparison to Everquest 2 before, I know, but I swear I'm seeing history repeat itself.

First, a caveat: Squeenix never had the player base size and share with FFXI that the original Everquest had. I know that. But FFXI is/was successful and has a sizable and loyal following, so the similarities remain.

SOE farked up with the launch of EQ2. The basis for a good game was there, and it looked good, but they got too cute with some of the design decisions. The game was frustrating, and not because of the sheer difficulty. Heck, you didn't get much more unforgiving than playing the first Everquest - it was brutal, so we were used to that. EQ2 just wasn't a fun game after release. I quit, and all my friends quit. I was the only one of us to give it another go later on.

SOE wound up fixing everything over the next couple years. It's been a great game for a long time. But the vast majority of the original player base never came back. Has it survived? Sure, but they've been mired in "niche" status ever since. All of that momentum that Verant and then SOE had... they could have used all that momentum to steamroll their way into dominance yet again. But they blew it. The saying is true: you never get a second chance to make a first impression.

I hope the same happens to FFXIV, because that's the best we can hope for at this point. Their launch has forever tainted this game into something that will never, ever be a major force in the MMO market. Now, I'm sure that some people will be fine with that. The problem is that a smaller user base equals less revenue, and less revenue means less resources used to improve the game. Not to mention that the chances are much greater that the game will falter completely.

I'm happy for the people that are enjoying the game as it is, right now. Please, enjoy your game and have a good time. But even those players should be rooting for Square-Enix to fix things and quick, if only to keep the hope alive that even a small portion of people who were disenchanted with the release will come back. Sadly, most never will no matter what they do at this point. That's what happens when you stumble so badly out of the gate.




If these problems do make an dent in SE's bottom line, SE would have no choice but to commence damage control.

I think SE could come back during the PS3 release, but only with fixes and a big advertising push.

Though this may have been their plan all along? (very optimistic, I know.)

In any case, you're right, FFXIV may be better off staying in that niche. Better that then dead.

I played Warhammer at launch and it was OK even though it received some good reviews. I'm liking the bones of FFXIV a lot more than Warhammer, as I think it has tons of potential, but its all up to SE to listen and stay afloat.
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It is a sad era for Square Enix--the western culture sees them only as a shattered piece of the perfect crystal that once made games like Final Fantasy 7

7 sucked. Only reason it's so popular is because it was most people's first RPG.
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I'm having a blast with the game. Lowest population I have seen on Rabanastre is around 1900 people. Seems like a decent population to me. Sure some things need to be worked on, but I'm not about to bash a 1 week (2 week for the CE) old MMO. It will look a lot different in 3 months let alone 1 year.


I am on Rabanastre too but I just don't log out and stay away from the keyboard. Since i have two computers and I have paid 86CAD for it so I would wait and see if anything is new everyday til the end of my free trial.

My point is that we gotta wait til everyone's free trial is over in order to figuring out the "real" population.

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again with FFXIII bashing...geeeeez i was about to rate you up and then that...FFXIII was actually a fun game, I don't know how someone wouldn't enjoy it, it was upbeat and kept you in the action - sure it missed out on some fundamentals but nothing near as bad as FFXIV.


Seriously, people who didn;t like FFXII and XIII need to get a life, and realise game design has thankfully moved on from FFVII.

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again with FFXIII bashing...geeeeez i was about to rate you up and then that...FFXIII was actually a fun game, I don't know how someone wouldn't enjoy it, it was upbeat and kept you in the action - sure it missed out on some fundamentals but nothing near as bad as FFXIV.


Seriously, people who didn;t like FFXII and XIII need to get a life, and realise game design has thankfully moved on from FFVII.



FFXII was great. XIII was garbage and you know it :)
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FFXIV launched in the exact state I hoped for. It's playable and enjoyable, as long as you don't expect it to be something it's not...a finished MMO.

IMO, a lot of gamers are trying FFXIV and complaining because it's not what they expected. But what they expected was a finished game for them to beat...not the birth of a new MMO with room to grow and new things to understand. Everyone is so caught up in having handed to them what they expect and feel is right, that they totally ignore the potential that's there. I can't get enough, despite all the problems...I look forward to logging on every day. So those claiming Square-Enix is down for the count...feel free to do so. It's not going to stop the people that enjoy the game from enjoying it.


I agree with this so hard.

Are there things that can be improved? Yes! Of course!

Am I having fun anyway? For sure.

For example, I REALLY want SE to hurry up and let me order some more retainers - but I am not letting the fact that I can't yet completely destroy my interest in the game.

Inventory sort? Yes please.

I hate the party search system and I want a return to the /sea system and the party seeking system in FFXI. I can't for the life of me understand why they replaced a working system with this blind thing. I can't even put autotranslate in the party search comment box. Suxors.

However - what I can do is great. I'm enjoying raising my crafting skills - I'm enjoying my lowbie levels. I never have enough playtime/anima to do all my leves anyway so the 36 hour timer doesn't bother me.

I would like more anima, but I am glad I can teleport at all - and not only that, get teleported to places I have never been...

I don't think the fact that I am having fun makes me a "fanboi" (and I am not a boy anyway). I am pretty clear-headed about the game's faults - but I think people are over-exaggerating the game's issues.
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#22 Oct 07 2010 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Hugznkisses wrote:
It is a sad era for Square Enix--the western culture sees them only as a shattered piece of the perfect crystal that once made games like Final Fantasy 7

7 sucked. Only reason it's so popular is because it was most people's first RPG.

I played Super mario RPG, FF4, 6, Mystic Quest among other games before 7, also played 8, 9 ,10, chrono trigger etc. etc...

Final Fantasy 7 is my favorite GAME of all time, so no... that argument is invalid and is for most cases, people just throw that out there who didn't like FF7.
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Any message board where FFXIV is discussed has completely gone up in flames. What few supporters of the game exist have been crucified by the raging mobs.


I used to moderate a message board much like this one. Spent three years of my life devoted to it. In my experience, people who dislike something come on to the internet and complain about it, while those who actually enjoy it are too busy participating in it to come here and defend it. They'd rather enjoy playing the game than defend it.

The phrase "silent majority" isn't just a platitude. Just because you don't hear them, doesn't mean they're not there.

I do agree that the game seems to have been put out a bit too early, and seems to have some mechanics issues, particularly the slow UI and the difficulty of searching the Wards. I'm sure those will be worked out in the coming months, probably by the time of PS3 release. But many things, like the lack of variety of quests and short storylines: those are things that will get expanded as time goes on. Trying to get gear will get easier as more and more people level crafts. Remember XI didn't go up to rank 10 when it launched, either. I think it only went up to rank 5, if I remember right. (But I'm not 100% sure on if it even when that high when it first launched in Japan. I know it launched in NA with RoZ, so we might have had more initial missions than Japan got to do.)

Personally, I'm jealous of everyone who gets to play this game now. From everything I've seen and read, it sounds like something I'd very much enjoy, even with the current issues, and wish the PS3 version was already out.

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Take off your hats, hold them over your hearts, and slowly watch as the titan Square Enix sinks into the briny deep. Salvage what you can from her empty rooms and cold corridors, and leave the rest behind you.



I was concerned years ago, when the "Chrono" franchise wasn't being further developed, then, I left with the Xeno lifeboats.

I won't be mourning anything; if they sink, they brought it on themselves.


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It is a sad era for Square Enix--the western culture sees them only as a shattered piece of the perfect crystal that once made games like Final Fantasy 7

7 sucked. Only reason it's so popular is because it was most people's first RPG.

I played Super mario RPG, FF4, 6, Mystic Quest among other games before 7, also played 8, 9 ,10, chrono trigger etc. etc...

Final Fantasy 7 is my favorite GAME of all time, so no... that argument is invalid and is for most cases, people just throw that out there who didn't like FF7.

Explain why it's your favorite game of all time. First 3D RPG?

Imo, the story was ridiculously bland. The villain was a step back from Kefka. Even IX had a more interesting story, and VIII was better overall.

Their last real quality game outside of XI was Tactics, imo. Amazing story.
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Personally, I see FFXIV as a symptom of a greater disease. I played AION at launch. It was a mess of technical problems. If that weren't bad enough, something about the game fried my video card. About 15 days after launch the problems were corrected.

Now look at FFXI. Plenty of expansions, but the game is still a poorly ported PS2 game. Alt/tab still doesn't work on PC and the XBOX version for some reason requires the CD to be in the drive to play. Exiting the game improperly can cause read error on the CD. Then of course there are the account problems that have been reported.

I don't blame the Devs, management is to blame for it. The more I read about SE the more I wish just about any other game company would take them over.
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#27 Oct 07 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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again with FFXIII bashing...geeeeez i was about to rate you up and then that...FFXIII was actually a fun game, I don't know how someone wouldn't enjoy it, it was upbeat and kept you in the action - sure it missed out on some fundamentals but nothing near as bad as FFXIV.



Agreed. FFXIII was a great game and for all those that say how big of a failure it was you could not be more wrong. It sold well over 6 million copies which is more than several others in the Final Fantasy series.

I do think FFXIV is trash though, beta was proof, and gamespots review was reinforcement of my own opinion.
#28 Oct 07 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I am not going to defend all of the issues and bugs because clearly they have tons of them in the game..

I will say I dont see it as a failure yet.. truth be told even if someone is using the free 30 day trial if they hate the game that much they wouldnt bother to keep playing if they really didnt like it..

I think the majority of people want this game to be a success and its just NOT what we expected.. I still enjoy some aspects of the game but I will admit it has a lot of work left in it..

If this game were truly the big disaster everyone says it is then my server wouldnt still be full of people.. I am online right now looking around me and there are more people than I can count.. the markets are almost full..

So I will say this, I havent gave up on SE yet.. maybe its because I am older and I have a bit more patience but I want the game to be good so I will hold out a bit longer and just hope they make the changes that are necessary.
#29 Oct 07 2010 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
FFXIV needs a lot of work, no arguing there. Did the management's poor choice to releace the game as is hurt their future subscription base? Sure. But the future of the game itself is still unknown, and for all it's faults, FFXIV still has massive potential.

As far as SE ability to releace quaility games. One needs look no farther than Kingdom Hearts: Brith by Sleep to affirm that SE's still got it.

I started as a Final Fantasy fan, but SE's expanded its game libary pretty far since then and I've come to enjoy many of their games. Even if the FF franchise as a whole dies (14 games is a LONG running to begin with, bested only by Megaman and Mario in sheer quantity.) There's still enough to keep SE afloat.

****, they could go into the movie business with the quality of cinimatic cutscenes they've been releacing of late. I think the only reason they haven't dived into the movie business is because they still remember the issue with Spirit's Within.


... It just struck me

SE/Disney should TOTALLY do a line of Kingdom Hearts movies.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 4:08pm by Hyrist
#30 Oct 07 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Ryneguy wrote:


FFXIV launched in the exact state I hoped for. It's playable and enjoyable, as long as you don't expect it to be something it's not...a finished MMO.

IMO, a lot of gamers are trying FFXIV and complaining because it's not what they expected. But what they expected was a finished game for them to beat...not the birth of a new MMO with room to grow and new things to understand. Everyone is so caught up in having handed to them what they expect and feel is right, that they totally ignore the potential that's there. I can't get enough, despite all the problems...I look forward to logging on every day. So those claiming Square-Enix is down for the count...feel free to do so. It's not going to stop the people that enjoy the game from enjoying it.


I agree with this so hard.

Are there things that can be improved? Yes! Of course!

Am I having fun anyway? For sure.

For example, I REALLY want SE to hurry up and let me order some more retainers - but I am not letting the fact that I can't yet completely destroy my interest in the game.

Inventory sort? Yes please.

I hate the party search system and I want a return to the /sea system and the party seeking system in FFXI. I can't for the life of me understand why they replaced a working system with this blind thing. I can't even put autotranslate in the party search comment box. Suxors.

However - what I can do is great. I'm enjoying raising my crafting skills - I'm enjoying my lowbie levels. I never have enough playtime/anima to do all my leves anyway so the 36 hour timer doesn't bother me.

I would like more anima, but I am glad I can teleport at all - and not only that, get teleported to places I have never been...

I don't think the fact that I am having fun makes me a "fanboi" (and I am not a boy anyway). I am pretty clear-headed about the game's faults - but I think people are over-exaggerating the game's issues.


Well Olo, we just keep making these comments in support of what IS fun about FFXIV. The result: rate downs all around.

Our fellow FFXIV fans don't bother to come around to tip the balance. Too busy playing perhaps, but really I think they are not finding the point in arguing.

The board is 75% talking about the flaws and lack of important MMO features. That leaves about 25% of threads discussing the game mechanics, crafting strategies, quest rewards, etc.

What next?

Well, hopefully, the haters will get bored and leave. The disgruntled fans (not the same) are going to stick around and watch things improve. The game gets some updates, and then we can post about the updates, right?

I think (hope) after the free period is over the forum will get back to being useful for discussing game play, rather repetative posts of what the game lacks.

I am enjoying playing FFXIV.

I would like to get back to enjoying conversations with fellow FFXIV players on ZAM, without getting rated into oblivion for enjoying the game that the site is dedicated to.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 4:40pm by RufuSwho
#31 Oct 07 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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As far as SE ability to releace quaility games. One needs look no farther than Kingdom Hearts: Brith by Sleep to affirm that SE's still got it.


Sure, but don't confuse an offline game with one that requires constant contact with their customers. A console game is worth buying or not. With an MMO its how you treat your subscribers on a daily basis.
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#32 Oct 07 2010 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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SoumaKyou wrote:
defiantmac wrote:
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It is a sad era for Square Enix--the western culture sees them only as a shattered piece of the perfect crystal that once made games like Final Fantasy 7

7 sucked. Only reason it's so popular is because it was most people's first RPG.

I played Super mario RPG, FF4, 6, Mystic Quest among other games before 7, also played 8, 9 ,10, chrono trigger etc. etc...

Final Fantasy 7 is my favorite GAME of all time, so no... that argument is invalid and is for most cases, people just throw that out there who didn't like FF7.

Explain why it's your favorite game of all time. First 3D RPG?

Imo, the story was ridiculously bland. The villain was a step back from Kefka. Even IX had a more interesting story, and VIII was better overall.

Their last real quality game outside of XI was Tactics, imo. Amazing story.


Because I thought it was more fun and epic than any other game I have ever played.

For me its FF7 followed by Mass Effect followed by Demons Souls with Ultima Online somewhere in the mix.

Flat out fun factor is the main reason for me, I enjoyed the game more than any other game I have ever played, therefore it is my favorite game, end of story.
#33 Oct 07 2010 at 8:04 PM Rating: Good
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SoumaKyou wrote:
Hugznkisses wrote:
It is a sad era for Square Enix--the western culture sees them only as a shattered piece of the perfect crystal that once made games like Final Fantasy 7

7 sucked. Only reason it's so popular is because it was most people's first RPG.


Although I wouldn't say VII sucked, I definitely think it is too easily glorified as 'the best FF ever'! I think this is due to it being the first FF to be so different than it's predecessor, thus making it more memorable. Doesn't make it the 'best', by far though.

DilemmaLevi wrote:
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SolidMack wrote:
again with FFXIII bashing...geeeeez i was about to rate you up and then that...FFXIII was actually a fun game, I don't know how someone wouldn't enjoy it, it was upbeat and kept you in the action - sure it missed out on some fundamentals but nothing near as bad as FFXIV.


Seriously, people who didn;t like FFXII and XIII need to get a life, and realise game design has thankfully moved on from FFVII.



FFXII was great. XIII was garbage and you know it :)


I absolutely LOVED XII (aside from story, of course, but even that wasn't unbearable). I still think they should have made XII into XIV. Even the political storyline would fit nicely in an MMO and the combat system would seam perfectly, but alas... we get FFXIV instead...sigh

As for XIII being garbage, I wouldn't go that far. It was mediocre and I did actually play it through... just have no desire to go back.
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