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#1 Oct 09 2010 at 12:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I havn't started the game yet, and i am not here to bash it! I just really want some reading material while i wait for downloads. Has square said anything at all about the current condition of their game? I just really want to get their input/opinion. I know square is hard headed at times and have a we can do no wrong ego, but have they said anything? Im a yup and will probably stick with it just because i want to re live the FF XI era, until the last server dies :P. So don't be afraid to be brutally honest or to vent (in a non qq way) your problems with the game!

Thankyou Anyone who has any Info!

Thankyou Zam
#2 Oct 09 2010 at 2:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes. "Everything is working as intended. If you're having issues with the game it must be just you. Everyone else loves it."
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#3 Oct 09 2010 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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Don't forget Tanaka's classic:
"Guys, ignore the complaints. It's just customers."
#4 Oct 09 2010 at 2:17 AM Rating: Good
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Your forgetting the whole "Please don't review untill atleast a month has passed."
#5 Oct 09 2010 at 2:56 AM Rating: Good
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Zam, and the other community websites need to call in the SE NA contacts and get some interviews going and have SE directly explain what their plans are. SE I don't think can just ignore the reviews, especially when Japanese reviews come out soon.
#6 Oct 09 2010 at 2:59 AM Rating: Decent
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#7 Oct 09 2010 at 3:10 AM Rating: Good
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The american side of the company has no clout at all, they will either get ignored completely if they ask the devs to communicate for the sake of sales or if you get to interview anyone from Square US you get know nothing nobodys with as much power as the person that makes the tea.

This Square dev team have always been arrogant to the extreme, on FFXI they ignored the customers almost completely no matter what and just did their own thing. In a Square game with these people in charge it's a matter of "you take the game as we give it to you and we won't go into any communication on anything, take it or leave it we don't care". this is how they ran FFXI for 8 years, this is how they are running 14. If they fix anything it will be because they deem it to be in their vision of things to be fixed, they don't fix things cause the playerbase wants it and indeed seem to act even slower if you complain too much.

Only communication you will get is when they start doing fanfests and you get dev team interviews where they pick what you are allowed to ask them and they then totally ignore everything mentioned when it ends.
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#8 Oct 09 2010 at 3:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Most mmo devs communicate with the player base.
SE wants to do things different... and by different, I mean terribly.

SE needs to goto the Blizzard-mmo development 101 class asap.

If they had just added the stuff mmo players expect (AH, mailbox, gen/trade chat, pvp, guilds, banks) people would be happy, there would be lots of subscribers, and they wouldn't be getting abysmal reviews.
#9 Oct 09 2010 at 3:35 AM Rating: Good
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SE says they are working on fixing problems and improving aspects of the game...I'd love to know WHICH problems they are working on though.
They don't comment on anything the media says about their game, either because they are ignorant or because they are ashamed that the issues people complain about are true.

I mean, it's the same with the updates. Update comes and nobody knows what it does. After the update SE releases the patch notes.
It would be nice to know what they are working on and which things are planned for the next update. If they'd tell us xyz didn't make it into the update, no problem, but I'd like to know that they ARE working on improving this game.
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#10 Oct 09 2010 at 3:40 AM Rating: Decent
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If they had just added the stuff mmo players expect (AH, mailbox, gen/trade chat, pvp, guilds, banks) people would be happy, there would be lots of subscribers, and they wouldn't be getting abysmal reviews.
There are guilds, but they're called linkshells. There are banks too, but in the form of retainer storage.

I agree on you with AH and mailbox. If they don't want an AH, they need a way to search by item to locate the retainer(s) that are selling.

PvP isn't really necessary at this point. They need PvE content before adding PvP. Plus PvP tends to ruin things. Screams for nerfs, screams for buffs, gear deemed overpowered, skill combinations that become FotM, etc. The game has enough issues right now without adding all the headaches that PvP brings.

Gen/trade chat just means spam.

The game doesn't need all that to not get abysmal reviews. It needs to have it's features fully implemented. A search function for retainers and all that they mentioned in the pre-live event would probably double the game's score.
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Most mmo devs communicate with the player base.

What planet are you from? 0_0
#12 Oct 09 2010 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
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SE: "Ok here you go, PC gamers! You get to play this broken game first! Oh don't worry, having bought the game and with subscription fees, you'll only have spent about $200+ on us by the time the ps3 release comes around in march. We should have things fixed by then since the console gamers are our true target consumer... oh did we mention this game sucks to play with mouse+keyboard? You'll probably want to buy a usb controller... and a new computer too since we made our min. system spec ridiculous. Have fun! xD"
#13 Oct 09 2010 at 4:15 AM Rating: Default
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preludes wrote:

This Square dev team have always been arrogant to the extreme, on FFXI they ignored the customers almost completely no matter what and just did their own thing. In a Square game with these people in charge it's a matter of "you take the game as we give it to you and we won't go into any communication on anything, take it or leave it we don't care". this is how they ran FFXI for 8 years, this is how they are running 14. If they fix anything it will be because they deem it to be in their vision of things to be fixed, they don't fix things cause the playerbase wants it and indeed seem to act even slower if you complain too much.

Seeing the other side of things where blizz takes out the nerf bat everytime somebody QQs about being beat in a duel perhaps ignoring complaints is better for the game as a whole? Aside from the obvious fixes that need to be made.
#14 Oct 09 2010 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
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DionysusJones wrote:
Seeing the other side of things where blizz takes out the nerf bat everytime somebody QQs about being beat in a duel perhaps ignoring complaints is better for the game as a whole? Aside from the obvious fixes that need to be made.


No, they don't, and stop trying to make knee-jerk posts with exaggerations.
#15 Oct 09 2010 at 8:24 AM Rating: Default
rotny wrote:
Most mmo devs communicate with the player base.
SE wants to do things different... and by different, I mean terribly.

SE needs to goto the Blizzard-mmo development 101 class asap.

If they had just added the stuff mmo players expect (AH, mailbox, gen/trade chat, pvp, guilds, banks) people would be happy, there would be lots of subscribers, and they wouldn't be getting abysmal reviews.




We dont want this to be a WoW clone we dont need this to have everything WoW has... I am enjoying this game and so are many people still playing this game.

You Sir need to shut the **** up and go back to WoW if you miss all those things so much because we dont want or need them here.
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#16 Oct 09 2010 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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We dont want this to be a WoW clone we dont need this to have everything WoW has... I am enjoying this game and so are many people still playing this game.

You Sir need to shut the **** up and go back to WoW if you miss all those things so much because we dont want or need them here.


You missed the entire point of his post. It's about the developers communicating with the users and figuring out what the users want the game to be like. Right now, SE releases MINIMAL information for patching, maintenance, the direction of the game, everything.

Blizzard and WOW are light years ahead of SE and FFXI/FFXIV not because they made an easy mode MMO, but because they they have transparency.
#17 Oct 09 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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People need to understand that there is a difference between wanting FFXIV to play like WoW, and wanting Square-Enix to employ Blizzard-level customer service. Correlation does not imply causation... okay, wait, that saying doesn't exactly fit here. Nonetheless, it's two entirely different things.

I don't want FFXIV to be like WoW at all; I was hoping for a second generation of FFXI, plain and simple. That, however, is a statement which solely addresses gameplay and nothing more. Blizzard set the bar high when it comes to customer service and developer-interaction for MMOs, and whether anyone here liked WoW or not, that is a simple fact. Hate WoW -- fine. Hate Blizzard -- fine. Firmly believe that FFXIV should not be made to play like WoW -- fine. But denying that the level of customer service here is abysmal does note interfere with any of those.

The Japanese game development sector has been in a pretty downward spiral, and unfortunately Square Enix has become a prime example. During the NES / SNES / PS1 days, for me everything Square made was gold. During the PS2 days, it became "Well, the FF games are at least still awesome." And then with FFXIII and FFXIV -- well, even the FF games aren't exactly awesome anymore, and that makes a lot of people sad.

Most of my best friends are pretty hardcore gamers, and every one of us has shared the same opinion lately: Any time I fire up a Japanese-developed game these days, it feels... dated. They play like PS2 games, at best. Even if they have amazing graphics (which they often do not), the actually core of the gameplay hasn't really changed since PS1. And it's not just us silly Gaijin gamers out west who feel like like -- some of Japans most noted developers have been lashing out at the Japanese gaming industry, saying "We're falling behind, it's time to stop being arrogant." All the while, sales of games in Japan (sans Pokemon and Monster Hunter) have plummeted.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/20/keiji-inafune-remains-critical-of-japanese-games-deems-even-cap/
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/20/inaba-western-devs-superior-to-japanese-devs/
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/02/inafune-japanese-devs-have-to-get-humble/

Square, unfortunately, has been an extreme example in a lot the factors that have many people frustrated with Japanese game development. In the Western market, dev studios have really opened up -- they have forums, dev diaries, communication with customers, and make an effort to show that they are listening. Square keeps completely shut off, and if you do not like their game, they're happy to tell you that's because you "don't understand it." I had also hoped Square would change its anti-Westerners approach with FFXIV, but sadly, that did not happen. Maybe it's okay for some people or they don't feel like it matters, but I really do not like the second-citizen treatment. Servers once again only in Japan? Check. Things like Character limits not resized for regions? Check. Lead game designer blasting off about stupid Westerners on his twitter? Check. Events with interaction with the dev teams only in Japan? Check.

Square could address every major complaint I've seen, be it in the game design or customer service areas, without making the actual game "more like WoW." I don't want WoW, but I want better than a 4/10, as well.

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 10:57am by jsteimel
#18BRizzl3, Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 9:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There are guilds, they are called Linkshells. They said the Company system where linkshells can be combined is going to be added down the road, since there are LS now I'm not complaining about that.
#19 Oct 09 2010 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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rotny wrote:
If they had just added the stuff mmo players expect (AH, mailbox, gen/trade chat, pvp, guilds, banks) people would be happy, there would be lots of subscribers, and they wouldn't be getting abysmal reviews.


I'm not real sure I'd classify PvP as something MMO players expect. PVP can be both the worst and best thing to happen in a MMO, but most games are better off not including it - especially when the game is launching and things are unbalanced, untested and new.

PvP in FF would be awful, well more awful that what we have now, given that it's a PvE-centric game genre.

To each their own, but I'm of the opinion that PvP ruins more MMOs than it helps. It is tremendously fun when a game gets it right, however.
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#20Ap0stle, Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 9:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) SE is the only MMO company to step completly out of the box and create new and innovative ideas. Every Idea implemented in this MMO is a new idea that no one has ever seen before, granted they are a little rough around the edges but it shows more potential than any Blizzard MMO ever could.
#21Ap0stle, Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 9:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I completly agree here, PvP breeds douche bags and people who just like griefing people becasue they can for what ever reason there life sucks or their mom did not hug them enough. All PvP is going to bring to FFXIV is a community full of douche bags and idiots. IE World of Warcraft.
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Ap0stle wrote:
SE is the only MMO company to step completly out of the box and create new and innovative ideas. Every Idea implemented in this MMO is a new idea that no one has ever seen before, granted they are a little rough around the edges but it shows more potential than any Blizzard MMO ever could.

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 11:52am by Ap0stle



You still don't get it. The concepts in the game are fine. But they're unpolished, and SE has given no visibility to the users if their recommendations, suggestions, or bug reports are even reaching SE; much less that they're trying to implement or fix some of them.

I'll say it again: this has nothing to do with FFXIV not being a WOW clone, and everything to do with SE flat out ignoring customers. Practically every game developer in the last 4-5 years has adopted a transparency policy following Blizzard's success with theirs. SE has not and it shows.
#23 Oct 09 2010 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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Ap0stle wrote:
Wolfums wrote:
Ap0stle wrote:
We dont want this to be a WoW clone we dont need this to have everything WoW has... I am enjoying this game and so are many people still playing this game.

You Sir need to shut the **** up and go back to WoW if you miss all those things so much because we dont want or need them here.


You missed the entire point of his post. It's about the developers communicating with the users and figuring out what the users want the game to be like. Right now, SE releases MINIMAL information for patching, maintenance, the direction of the game, everything.

Blizzard and WOW are light years ahead of SE and FFXI/FFXIV not because they made an easy mode MMO, but because they they have transparency.




SE is the only MMO company to step completly out of the box and create new and innovative ideas. Every Idea implemented in this MMO is a new idea that no one has ever seen before, granted they are a little rough around the edges but it shows more potential than any Blizzard MMO ever could.

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 11:52am by Ap0stle

Yes because ripping off the combat system of white knight chronicles, using the same job system they've used in past FFs, and the bazaar system of **** near every chinese MMO, is new and innovative. If you want new and innovative, look at GW2, not FFXIV. (note, I like FFXIV, but new and innovative it is not.)
#24 Oct 09 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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I really do not understand what it is about FFXIV that people think is innovative. There are MMOs with daily quests on timers, there are plot-centric MMOs, there are MMOs that penalize XP gains based on amount of time played over a set timeframe, there are MMOs with character bazaars, and there are MMOs with equally in-depth crafting systems.

What is so unique and trail-blazing about FFXIV which warrants its short-comings? The only things I see unique to FFXIV are the things they took away, not things they put in the game; a rather backwards design philosophy.
#25The One and Only SamusKnight, Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 10:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You sir, are an idiot... I'm sorry but you are with that last piece of your comment there. The minimum system specs are far from insane. The recommended however, those are a little ridiculous. Even with the highest specs some have issues but I'd probably chock (Is that the correct spelling?) that up to SE's poor programming. FFXI had the same issues with frame rates on multi-core CPUs and like that game, FFXIV seems to be programmed with a console in mind. Ironic since the PS3 release has been delayed for so long.
#26 Oct 09 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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-Yoichi Wada, President/CEO of Square Enix


Edited, Oct 9th 2010 12:32pm by Furia
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“That’s just how the Internet is. I’m even telling the creators not to take any notice.”

-Yoichi Wada, President/CEO of Square Enix


Edited, Oct 9th 2010 12:32pm by Furia


In some ways he is correct - the sense of entitlement is sickening out there.
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#28 Oct 09 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Default
You know, if I was going to want SE devs to communicate with the community, I would actually take the Global Agenda devs over Blizzard. They all spend time on the forums, getting to know the community, joking around with people. You can tell they actually enjoy what they are doing and care about the costumer.
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#29 Oct 09 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Default
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It's true that FFXIV out-of-the-box is still kinda rough - well really rough, and I don't have to mention that was one of the most frustrating installs I have ever done. But I'm not going to flame SE, they know they have build and build fast.

But to be fair, you can't compare FFXIV to FFXI, or Cabal, or WOW. When FFXI was released in late 2003, it wasn't even close to what it is today. It was rough, it had tons of problems, and very little content. After 7 years of building and content updates, its polished and will always be the most advanced epic MMORP in my opinion.

This is just the start of FFXIV, and it will improve. I know its weak right now, but SE has a good foundation to build from...and if anyone remembers how sorry FFXI or Cabal was when they first released - you know it takes time to build something epic.

It sounds as if people are expecting an apology from SE. -well maybe it wouldn't hurt^^

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 10:05am by Nuclearneon
#30 Oct 09 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Nuclearneon wrote:
But to be fair, you can't compare FFXIV to FFXI, or Cabal, or WOW. When FFXI was released in late 2003, it wasn't even close to what it is today. It was rough, it had tons of problems, and very little content. After 7 years of building and content updates, its polished and will always be the most advanced epic MMORP in my opinion.

People keep saying this, but as far as I know, XI never lagged like this, or had such an atrocious UI. Do correct me if I'm wrong, because I hope I am. I understand you'd have to have played from the JP PS2 release, but I'm sure that knowledge is out there.
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In some ways he is correct - the sense of entitlement is sickening out there.


I agree, Square created a game that is free to everyone to download at no cost at all! you pay no monthly fee ever and they give us this game from the bottom of their hearts free to play because they love us all so much. All us greedy players take this free gift from the heart of love and cherrypops and make huge expectations of them, sickening!
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#32 Oct 09 2010 at 11:19 AM Rating: Default
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We didn't just lag..we had almost daily server crashes, but most of that was attributed to "malicious attacks"

..and to very honest, I've only had a couple hours to check out FFXIV, but yes, I like what I've seen so far.

And I didn't start playing until the NA release, and quit in Spring of 2008 (didn't want to mislead anyone)

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 10:21am by Nuclearneon
#33 Oct 09 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ap0stle wrote:
[quote=rotny]We dont want this to be a WoW clone we dont need this to have everything WoW has... I am enjoying this game and so are many people still playing this game.

You Sir need to shut the **** up and go back to WoW if you miss all those things so much because we dont want or need them here.



Noooooo we don't want this to be a WoW clone,who would want a game to be a success,and have a large player base.WE HATE an intuitive UI,real HC gamerz like spamming through 13 menu's to repair a single item.

Not wanting something to be a WoW clone doesn't mean you have to do the exact opposite of everything WoW does.I don't want it to be a clone either but I also don't wanna spend 3 hours going through hundreds of Bazaars filled with friggin moko grass and cotton bolls to find an item I want.
#34 Oct 09 2010 at 12:26 PM Rating: Excellent
This is why WoW keeps winning. They don't try to 'step outside the box' they just try to do what is fun and guess what? People like videogames to be fun.
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To quote Steve Jobs,

"Sometimes you gotta forget innovation and realize people like cars with 4 wheels."

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People need to understand that there is a difference between wanting FFXIV to play like WoW, and wanting Square-Enix to employ Blizzard-level customer service. Correlation does not imply causation... okay, wait, that saying doesn't exactly fit here. Nonetheless, it's two entirely different things.

I don't want FFXIV to be like WoW at all; I was hoping for a second generation of FFXI, plain and simple. That, however, is a statement which solely addresses gameplay and nothing more. Blizzard set the bar high when it comes to customer service and developer-interaction for MMOs, and whether anyone here liked WoW or not, that is a simple fact. Hate WoW -- fine. Hate Blizzard -- fine. Firmly believe that FFXIV should not be made to play like WoW -- fine. But denying that the level of customer service here is abysmal does note interfere with any of those.

The Japanese game development sector has been in a pretty downward spiral, and unfortunately Square Enix has become a prime example. During the NES / SNES / PS1 days, for me everything Square made was gold. During the PS2 days, it became "Well, the FF games are at least still awesome." And then with FFXIII and FFXIV -- well, even the FF games aren't exactly awesome anymore, and that makes a lot of people sad.

Most of my best friends are pretty hardcore gamers, and every one of us has shared the same opinion lately: Any time I fire up a Japanese-developed game these days, it feels... dated. They play like PS2 games, at best. Even if they have amazing graphics (which they often do not), the actually core of the gameplay hasn't really changed since PS1. And it's not just us silly Gaijin gamers out west who feel like like -- some of Japans most noted developers have been lashing out at the Japanese gaming industry, saying "We're falling behind, it's time to stop being arrogant." All the while, sales of games in Japan (sans Pokemon and Monster Hunter) have plummeted.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/20/keiji-inafune-remains-critical-of-japanese-games-deems-even-cap/
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/20/inaba-western-devs-superior-to-japanese-devs/
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/02/inafune-japanese-devs-have-to-get-humble/

Square, unfortunately, has been an extreme example in a lot the factors that have many people frustrated with Japanese game development. In the Western market, dev studios have really opened up -- they have forums, dev diaries, communication with customers, and make an effort to show that they are listening. Square keeps completely shut off, and if you do not like their game, they're happy to tell you that's because you "don't understand it." I had also hoped Square would change its anti-Westerners approach with FFXIV, but sadly, that did not happen. Maybe it's okay for some people or they don't feel like it matters, but I really do not like the second-citizen treatment. Servers once again only in Japan? Check. Things like Character limits not resized for regions? Check. Lead game designer blasting off about stupid Westerners on his twitter? Check. Events with interaction with the dev teams only in Japan? Check.

Square could address every major complaint I've seen, be it in the game design or customer service areas, without making the actual game "more like WoW." I don't want WoW, but I want better than a 4/10, as well.

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 10:57am by jsteimel


Very well stated.

I'm an eternal optimist, sometimes to a fault. I am hoping that maybe this time SE will actually listen to us, the players. If not, well, given the scathing review from GameSpot, and I've heard the Japanese reviews are coming soon (from the sounds of things they're not happy either), they might get hit in the pocketbook. Which has a remarkable effect on hearing problems...


Edited, Oct 9th 2010 2:38pm by Deanerz
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The problem with SE is that they are xenophobic to the max, and the way they do things isn't even good buisness. It didn't matter so much when all they did was console games. Regardless of the relative merits of their games, Blizzard gives an image of being a "fun" company, which is why they are on top and SE isn't.
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#38 Oct 09 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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The bottom line is if this game didn't have "Final Fantasy" in the title no one would be defending it.

#39 Oct 09 2010 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Furia wrote:
[quote]“That’s just how the Internet is. I’m even telling the creators not to take any notice.”

-Yoichi Wada, President/CEO of Square Enix


While he is right that the internet is chock load of **** at times, he also fails to grasp that the players on the internet are your main customers. If both NA and JP can agree on certain points then you have a problem within your company and not with players feeling entitled. Railing on the "west" is folly when the JP playerbase feels the same way.

It's kinda funny because Wada's quote summarizes the entire problem with Japanese developers. You need to listen to the players, you need to get someone in the organization to pull out player concerns from forums and compile them somewhere so the devs work on fixing those problems all while they work on what they feel will be best for XIV.

But who am I fooling? SE knows all this already because as soon as XI officially went back-burner, they started fixing every problem that game had for years in rapid succession.

This all happened immediately after Tanaka switched gears over to XIV and passed the XI torch officially. Hmm....
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#40 Oct 09 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nuclearneon wrote:
It's true that FFXIV out-of-the-box is still kinda rough - well really rough, and I don't have to mention that was one of the most frustrating installs I have ever done. But I'm not going to flame SE, they know they have build and build fast.

But to be fair, you can't compare FFXIV to FFXI, or Cabal, or WOW. When FFXI was released in late 2003, it wasn't even close to what it is today. It was rough, it had tons of problems, and very little content. After 7 years of building and content updates, its polished and will always be the most advanced epic MMORP in my opinion.

This is just the start of FFXIV, and it will improve. I know its weak right now, but SE has a good foundation to build from...and if anyone remembers how sorry FFXI or Cabal was when they first released - you know it takes time to build something epic.

It sounds as if people are expecting an apology from SE. -well maybe it wouldn't hurt^^

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 10:05am by Nuclearneon



Actually you should be able to compare them, companies need to develop over time and learn from whats current. FFXIV looks a bit too much like FFXI's release 7 years ago. Which means they game they've released is horribly outdated.

I'm not asking new MMOs to have the same number of quests/dungeons/items, thats all content thats added over time. However an MMO today's UI should be released as good, of better than the current market's.

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 3:09pm by KujaKoF
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#41Wloire, Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow really? Of all the great developers you could have chosen from you choose Blizzard? Yea I hope SE only releases content once a year and tries to milk me for every cent I have.
#42 Oct 09 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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Wloire wrote:
rotny wrote:
Most mmo devs communicate with the player base.
SE wants to do things different... and by different, I mean terribly.

SE needs to goto the Blizzard-mmo development 101 class asap.

If they had just added the stuff mmo players expect (AH, mailbox, gen/trade chat, pvp, guilds, banks) people would be happy, there would be lots of subscribers, and they wouldn't be getting abysmal reviews.


Wow really? Of all the great developers you could have chosen from you choose Blizzard? Yea I hope SE only releases content once a year and tries to milk me for every cent I have.



Blizzard releases content once a year,and doesnt have 90% of its fan base flaming them over countless forums.

SE hasn't released a FF game worth a **** in like...forever.
#43 Oct 09 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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There are guilds, they are called Linkshells. They said the Company system where linkshells can be combined is going to be added down the road, since there are LS now I'm not complaining about that.


We really have no confirmation of that other than a few whisperings and rumors. I hope that it's true though, because this linkshell system is even MORE primitive than the one we have in FFXI. And that's not saying much, considering that system is pretty basic in itself. The linkshell system is an infant compared to the guild systems in a LOT of other games - not just WoW.

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Your retainer acts as your "bank", it has 60 storage slots, more than banks have in many other MMORPGs.


When I read things like this in multiple comments it's painfully obvious that some of you literally never played any MMOs other than FFXI. When we mention banks we aren't talking about our own personal storage space, we are talking about shared resources among guildmates. It's called a Guild Bank in one game, it goes by other names elsewhere, but the concept is the same: a place for friends part of the same group to put in and take out resources. Sometimes I wonder if people defend these games so vehemently because they really don't know any better......


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You are an idiot for even mentioning AH, everyone in the world knows what's going on with this. Yes either a search function for retainers or an AH should've been there at launch. It's not. Live with it or GTFO they are working on it.


We don't know that - they are working on *something* which is either going to sink or swim this retainer system. An AH is needed badly, it's what everyone was expecting even coming from the past precedent of FFXI, and unless they truly want this game to have only the legacy of being Crafting and Bazaar Fantasy XIV, they will add it.
#44 Oct 09 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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*SE "Whats FFXIV?"

;)

Or does SE "No comment" or "Classified"?
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#45 Oct 09 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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-.-

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 4:47pm by OneFromSilverLight
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#46 Oct 09 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Why T_T

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 4:48pm by OneFromSilverLight
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#47 Oct 09 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Grrr multi post

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 4:47pm by OneFromSilverLight
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#48 Oct 09 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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OOPS

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 4:46pm by OneFromSilverLight
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#49 Oct 09 2010 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Server lag

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 4:46pm by OneFromSilverLight
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#50 Oct 09 2010 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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I really didn't mean to post this 10 times to make a point...

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 4:46pm by OneFromSilverLight
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#51 Oct 09 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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preludes wrote:
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In some ways he is correct - the sense of entitlement is sickening out there.


I agree, Square created a game that is free to everyone to download at no cost at all! you pay no monthly fee ever and they give us this game from the bottom of their hearts free to play because they love us all so much. All us greedy players take this free gift from the heart of love and cherrypops and make huge expectations of them, sickening!


Missing the point, failing with pithy comment.

The investment is simple - People buy a game, potentially, the game is not very good. People don't realise it's a simple matter of making good or bad choices.

People have a right to feel burned by it, but I don't see why people want Yoichi Wada to take a knife to his stomach over it. They don't owe you an apology. it's not an attack upon a single person, and when people make comments all day such as "SE OWES ME AN APOLOGY" or "MY LIFE IS NOW OVER BECAUSE THIS GAME IS NOT GOOD" and nonsense about being betrayed?

It's pathetic, and people shouldn't take it so personally.
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