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#1 Oct 09 2010 at 1:51 AM Rating: Decent
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OK, so when I fight monsters, normally you would attack and it says "you gained XXX hand-to-hand skill" and that gets added to your exp bar at the end of the fight. However, currently, I only receive the final skill points (read: the ones you get for the last blow to kill the monster). So for example, if you got 140 exp for using heavy strike during the fight (seen visibly in chat log), and then 60 exp for killing the monster (also seen in chat log), my character only receives a gain of 60 exp, not the correct 200 exp. This is realllllly frustrating, making it almost impossible to level my jobs right now, leaving me basically to have to craft, which is boring, and i struggle to progress because I have no money, since i can't level up my DoW jobs. Thanks a lot square enix, why would i want to level up when i could be mindlessly killing monsters for no gains?

Oh and not to mention I am getting about 1/2 to 1/4 of the people in my party. And yes, it still happens if i log out, change jobs, solo, teleport to a new area, or any other silly fix that someone could try to think of.

Please Die SE and fix my character and give back the skill points i have lost...probably like 50,000. Just die.
#2 Oct 09 2010 at 1:56 AM Rating: Good
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Ok first off is this issue only happening while in a party, if so how many people in your party. If it is try soloing or at most duoing as there is a known issue with skill gains while in parties.
#3 Oct 09 2010 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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You don't actually get SP until the monster dies. What you see at the end isn't additional SP gained, it's repeating the total for you. So while you're fighting you see 18, 22, 40, 17. At the end you see and gain 97 SP, because that's the total tally you racked up during the fight. If you don't kill it, or if you have to tether it (run away till it stops chasing you), you don't get your SP (in the case of tethering, the total is reset, which is kind of frustrating when a knockback mob knocks you out of its own tether radius and resets itself). It's probably to prevent people from getting guardians favor, skilling up on a mob and then dying/tethering right before it dies so they can come back and get more increased skill gain. Why they *tell* you how much you *will* earn during the fight, I don't know.

As for the party SP issue, that was supposedly fixed in the Oct 8 update.
#4 Oct 09 2010 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
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Arcmx wrote:
So for example, if you got 140 exp for using heavy strike during the fight (seen visibly in chat log), and then 60 exp for killing the monster (also seen in chat log), my character only receives a gain of 60 exp, not the correct 200 exp.

What?
SP is not EXP, you gained 60 EXP for killing the mob and that's correct. The 140 gained is SP, and it goes toward SP bar, not to the EXP bar.
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#5 Oct 09 2010 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure people don't actually read what is posted on these forums.

1. yes it happens when I am solo as well, i already said that.
2. you are incorrect, because 140 + 0 is not 60, so if it says you got 60 skill at the end of the fight, that is most certainly not the "total" of your skill during the fight.
3. obviously I am aware that there are 2 different bars for sp and exp. The exp is correctly added at the end of the fight, while all of the sp gained during is not added. only the FINAL sp is added (the 60 from the final blow).

maybe you need a more extensive example:

you start the fight with your SP bar at 5000/5700 progress.
you attack a monster.

Heavy strike - you get 135 hand to hand skill.
heavy strike - you get 85 hand to hand skill.
concussive blow - you hit the monster for 150 and it dies.
you gained 70 hand to hand skill.

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Ok, in the example you should have gained hand to hand skill of 135 + 85 + 70 = 290 skill points.
Upon defeating the monster, the progress bar for SP reads 5070, providing only the final 70 skill points.

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 11:43am by Arcmx
#6 Oct 09 2010 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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oh and to be extra clear, no my character is not affected by fatigue.
#7 Oct 09 2010 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
Watch for server lag, occasionally, especially if your chat box is small. Sometimes the full EXP/SP gain stats are somewhere above those lines, or it may come later when you kill ANOTHER mob.
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#8 Oct 09 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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is there really nobody else with this issue?
#9 Oct 09 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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I think it might have something to do with the mob healing bug. If it heals after you get skill points you will lose all those points.

But the way you explain it sounds a lot like "Bonus XP". Check to see if any of your EXP/RNK bars are yellow. They stopped giving messages for the lost experience and now it just shows you the total exp you got minus the "Bonus/surplus/fatigue".
#10 Oct 10 2010 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
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To the OP. I am experiencing the same exact problem.

I will use a variety of abilitites during a fight...

Sourge
90 Skill points
Spirit Dart
43 Skill point
Spirit Dart
45 Skill Points
Damnation
100 Skill Points

You Defeat the mob...
You gain 70 Skill Points
You gain 250 EXP

I check ny bars and i get 70 Skill Exp total.

I am not fatigued, the monsters are not leashing....if i change to another job the same thing occurs...

I feel like I either completely misunderstand the exp system or I am getting screwed out of 3/4 of my earned exp.
#11 Oct 10 2010 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I have experienced a similar problem I guess.


To make up an example....


I am at 1699/1700 Conjurer Skill


During the fight I gain 115, 85 and 130 SP and 200 EXP.

After the fight is over I am still at 1699/1700 Conjurer Skill



This has happened easily 5 times that I have noticed. All being times where I am 1 monster away from leveling.

Im not sure how many times it has happened somewhere in the middle of a level.


#12 Oct 10 2010 at 1:28 AM Rating: Good
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Nope, instead, at the end of a fight I get two messages claiming I've gotten two different amounts of Skill Points, and I'm actually getting both. I'm guessing one is for healing and one is for attacking.
#13 Oct 10 2010 at 2:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Could this have something to do with the "Countermeasure" they mentioned in the update?
#14 Oct 10 2010 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent
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DragoonRising wrote:
Nope, instead, at the end of a fight I get two messages claiming I've gotten two different amounts of Skill Points, and I'm actually getting both. I'm guessing one is for healing and one is for attacking.


Correct, if you heal and attack, and you got skill-ups during the fight for both actions, you will see the amounts listed separately.

To the OP: The line at the end of the fight *is* your total skill gain for the fight, and you only get what the final line says. If it's not adding up to the amounts you got during the fight, yes, something is wrong; I'm just pointing out that the last line is supposed to be the total and what you gain for the fight so you aren't looking at the chat log with the wrong expectations about what you gain. I don't watch my SP bar after every fight, but I have previously done so for about 15 minutes of fights; my final SP was always exactly equal to each hit that gained SP during the fight. The only times I've not seen that is when a mob tethers and starts to reset.
#15 Oct 10 2010 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I get this too, it doesnt happen with every battle so yes it is a bug, not just me miscalculating.

It can say i receive 56 skill for a light shot, then say I get 2 skill at the end of the battle, and upon checking the SP and EXP bars, the SP bar does not show what the real total should be. As a result I'm now 5 physical levels above my job rank, when all I play is archer.

edit: no I am not fatigued either ;)

Edited, Oct 10th 2010 9:07am by Reebie
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#16 Oct 10 2010 at 8:23 AM Rating: Decent
That happens for me too.

After the last update getting rank skill points has been a lot harder than what it used to be. I'm not having fatigue either.

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#17 Oct 10 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly it is so incredibly frustrating...i have stopped leveling my DoW jobs and am only crafting, which i guess will benefit me later...but **** i want to kill stuff.
#18 Oct 10 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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Too bad once you use the skill and they say you "gained" (insert skill) points, that they dont just add it to your total right then and there. Would be nice to lvl during a fight and not after but then again.....whats to stop folks from attacking mobs and just running away and lvling?

What a pickle this game is turning out to be......

I just want to be able to skill any mob in the starter areas. Im looking at you Goats and Antling Digger.
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