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#1 Oct 09 2010 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
As I level Conjury I've noticed for awhile now that it seems as if Stoneskin just isn't worth the slot or points it takes up. Within 1-2 hits the spell immediately wears off and it has a horrendous casting time making it virtually useless in the heat of combat. As soon as you've casted it the spell wears off again. I just hit 16 CON so I now have access to Protect/Shell so I'm thinking of ditching Stoneskin for a more useful spell either from CON or from another class. Anyway I wanted to get some feedback, do you think Stoneskin is worth it? As CON or just another class it doesn't last very long either way and the casting time is too long for me to keep using it.
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#2 Oct 09 2010 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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It was pretty much that way in FFXI too. I'd suspect, similarly eventually people will find a decent use for it.

Of course we don't know too much about the games mechanics yet, but I think, yeah you should probably ditch it for now until we find a good way to use it.
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#3 Oct 09 2010 at 5:54 AM Rating: Decent
In FFXI actually it was a little more useful, here it just seems to wear too fast. In the start it appeared to be far more useful, but as my levels grew the amount of damage it absorbed seemed to remain the same. I've casted it on others and watched it take a hit or two before immediately wearing off. For the amount of damage it absorbs and the long casting times I just felt it wasn't worth using anymore.
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#4 Oct 09 2010 at 5:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Stoneskin is great.

It is definitely NOT an in combat spell. Cast it before combat starts, and if sh*t hits the fan (See: You get agro), you have another one, maybe two hits before you die.

Conjurers are very, very squishy. Pulling agro on a 3 star means you die in two hits. And we all know how easy it is to pull agro. With Stoneskin active, not only does your tank not need to be healed (Prolonging the amount of time you pull agro), but when you DO pull agro, you'll not get one shotted by a special.

Edit: This is for partying.

For soloing, it's pretty optional. If you're running a DoT > Profundity > Element build, then it's crucial. If you're just spamming spirit darts, kind of useless.

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 7:55am by Meowshi
#5 Oct 09 2010 at 5:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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tried taking the aoe off when casting it? no idea if it makes a difference, just wondering
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#6 Oct 09 2010 at 7:02 AM Rating: Decent
MajidahSihaam wrote:
tried taking the aoe off when casting it? no idea if it makes a difference, just wondering


The AoE doesn't change the casting times from what I've seen personally. At first I thought it did but I haven't noticed any changes between using and not using it. Anyhow I don't really party right now (The party system is terrible to be honest.) so if I cast Stoneskin it's on myself or on some random passerby. But like I said, seeing how quickly it wears off I can't really see too much of a use for it outside of casting before a battle. It works good there, but only really for the first hit or so. And if you ever get in a jam its long casting time will get you killed anyway. I used to use it often but eventually I just opted to use Shock Spikes and alternate between Cure and Sacrifice for healing. Stoneskin helps on some Leves (When you get more than one enemy attacking you.) but other than that I find it more tedious than helpful.
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#7 Oct 09 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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Stoneskin is much more useful as a party buff. Yeah, solo your mp efficiency might be better just curing once or twice, but in a group it can save you a lot of aggro and accidental deaths.
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#8 Oct 09 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Stoneskin is awesome and immensely useful in my case.

I use it mostly for soloing leves. You know those rank 20 leves where you're suppose to discover some mob hidden amongst other disguises. I stoneskin up, hit it, and if it's not the right one, run away. Without stoneskin, I'd be dead, with it, I finish my leves in 5 minutes. Unscathed.
#9 Oct 09 2010 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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If it wasn't for stoneskin I would have died much more often.
#10 Oct 09 2010 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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Stoneskin becomes even more useful when you:

a) upgrade your armor

b) get Protect and Shell

c) use a shield. (a partially blocked hit will not take as much away from your Stoneskin protection)

From my experience, all those defensive measures are considered before damage is applied against Stoneskin.

I wrote a blog post on the topic of Conjurer buffs: The Importance of Being Buff(ed).

Bottom line is, as a Conjurer, if you're not taking advantage of Stoneskin, you're selling yourself short, in my opinion. I don't often cast it in solo battles, but as I go into them... saves me from casting a Cure II during the fight, and I like.
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#11 Oct 09 2010 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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~ I like it for pre-battle buffs during parties. Archers are just as squishy as I am, so I like to make sure everyone gets it incase a DD pulls aggro. This gives the tank a little more time to pull it back before the squish hits the fan.
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#12 Oct 09 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Just curious, but does stat level increase the buff? Like, Higher mind = more damage absorbed before wearing off or something like that...
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#13 Oct 09 2010 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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As soon as you get oneshot by 1000 needles due to having terrible HP, I suspect you'll promptly put it back on your bar.
#14 Oct 09 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
KharhazDF wrote:
As soon as you get oneshot by 1000 needles due to having terrible HP, I suspect you'll promptly put it back on your bar.


Unlikely as if you're hit with thousand needles it's gonna kill a mage no matter what. I have about 570 some HP right now, Stoneskin adds maybe a 200, 250 buffer to that I think, probably about 200. That would give be about 770 damage I could take before I get flattened. Now if a cactuar fires off those needles it's gonna take down my Stoneskin shield assuming I haven't been hit in this fight, and my entire HP amount with it. In parties it might have a much better benefit however I'm not sure if the attack splits the 1,000 damage equally amongst all in the party or if each individual person is hit for the amount.
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#15 Oct 09 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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At level 25 I have about 850 hp after pumping virtually all of my points into VIT and MND (both are around 75) with cursory attention to INT and PIE, as I'm not convinced entirely of their usefulness.
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#16 Oct 09 2010 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only SamusKnight wrote:
Unlikely as if you're hit with thousand needles it's gonna kill a mage no matter what. I have about 570 some HP right now, Stoneskin adds maybe a 200, 250 buffer to that I think, probably about 200. That would give be about 770 damage I could take before I get flattened. Now if a cactuar fires off those needles it's gonna take down my Stoneskin shield assuming I haven't been hit in this fight, and my entire HP amount with it. In parties it might have a much better benefit however I'm not sure if the attack splits the 1,000 damage equally amongst all in the party or if each individual person is hit for the amount.


No, it's not split, which is why the only thing that's going to let you live is Stoneskin. Having to have 800ish HP in addition to that is also needed.
#17 Oct 09 2010 at 6:50 PM Rating: Decent
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~ If your one saving grace for Stoneskin is to have 800+HP and an untouched Stoneskin buff to save you from a potential 1,000 needles attack. I wouldnt exactly call that a viable reason to sacrifice action points. I still say the aggro buffer is whats its best used for, not so much a save from death. Stoneskin gives you a very small window of safety.

~ I have more of an issue with the short timer on Protect/Shell. Why do I need to recast it after every single freakin' fight... grrr..
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#18 Oct 09 2010 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
I love using Stoneskin, though I'm still lower than rank 10. I've found that Roselings take it down after 3 attacks (of the long range projectile), so I cast it again a little after the second attack. It bolsters the spell right before the third attack takes it down, allowing me to kill the mob with only Spirit Darts and use of 24 MP.

EDIT: I suppose that I could just use Cure during the battle instead of a second Stoneskin, but I'm still going to stand by casting it before the battle.

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 9:35pm by PLDXavier
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#19 Oct 09 2010 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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I love stone skin. Solo or in group, it has saved me countless times.

I think of it as an ohh sh*t buffer. That one hit or two you take while the tank regains aggro from a stray mob is safely absorbed and you're still standing. With the way aggro works on aoe heals it's a MUST for me. Love it and use it all the time.

On occasion i'll even cast it towards the end of the battle so i don't have to herd people back in range for rebuffs, but usually unless it's a single mob that will take a while, or one that can spike damage it's never recast.

Edited, Oct 9th 2010 10:46pm by Vladislaus
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