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#1 Oct 10 2010 at 12:23 PM Rating: Default
Yesterday I logged on about 12-Noon EST and within 5-minutes I received a random [PRIVATE CHAT] directing me to a website to buy [IMAGINARY MONEY]. Made me sad the rest of the day considering how many of the things that are currently frustrating the player base are to combat/prevent Botting/RMT farming.

Has anyone else seen people selling [IMAGINARY MONEY] already?

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 6:47pm by PrometheusUnbound
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#2 Oct 10 2010 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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PrometheusUnbound wrote:
I received a random whisper...Has anyone else seen people selling gold already yet?


Not here, I get neither whispers nor gold in FFXIV.
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#3 Oct 10 2010 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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On Gysahl there's a bunch of them leveling at the moment, they just stand around in the caves near bloodshore and attack anything that comes in their range.

They dont walk around or move , just stand and target like mad till something is in range (this makes me suspect they are using a bot already since the speed at which you see their heads move around is pretty fast). Obvious names too , stuff like Bgvx Bvgxz and Xtgwu Gthre.

So yeah, wont be long till we get spammed with whispers everywhere.
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On Besaid i got a RMT /tell.
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Got one on Rabanastre last night about 7:30 PM EST, I called a GM and got an automated response thanking me for reporting it. I was actually shocked that they were on board so soon.
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Has anyone else seen people selling gold already yet?


I was getting tells during the OB from RMTs which was really funny I thought.
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KaneKitty wrote:
Not here, I get neither whispers nor gold in FFXIV.


Wow... really? Do you need to prove your elitism so badly that you have to argue semantics like this? Is the use of generic MMO terms such an assault on your brain that you just can't let it go? I guess people saying "toon" makes you go out and beat kittens with sacks of puppies.

Meanwhile, back on topic...
Yeah, the RMTs have been in the game since the betas. While I have yet to receive a message from one of them, I have seen plenty of shouts from them. I'm really hoping a solution is put in place before I use up the 200-name limit on my blacklist.
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Not yet, but I am waiting on it. It's a good thing there is no AH so that we stop all these gil sellers though.
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WooShoo wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Not here, I get neither whispers nor gold in FFXIV.


Wow... really? Do you need to prove your elitism so badly that you have to argue semantics like this? Is the use of generic MMO terms such an assault on your brain that you just can't let it go? I guess people saying "toon" makes you go out and beat kittens with sacks of puppies.


"QQ moar"

See, annoying isn't it?
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#10 Oct 10 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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OneFromSilverLight wrote:
WooShoo wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Not here, I get neither whispers nor gold in FFXIV.


Wow... really? Do you need to prove your elitism so badly that you have to argue semantics like this? Is the use of generic MMO terms such an assault on your brain that you just can't let it go? I guess people saying "toon" makes you go out and beat kittens with sacks of puppies.


"QQ moar"

See, annoying isn't it?


Not really, why would it be.
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WooShoo wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Not here, I get neither whispers nor gold in FFXIV.


Wow... really? Do you need to prove your elitism so badly that you have to argue semantics like this? Is the use of generic MMO terms such an assault on your brain that you just can't let it go? I guess people saying "toon" makes you go out and beat kittens with sacks of puppies.
This is just more semantics, but "whisper" is a Blizzard-specific term. They've used it ever since their first Internet-capable games. The generic MMO term in this case is "tell."
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#12 Oct 10 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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The lack of AH is not to counter the gil seller, but the gil buyer, you never need gil, you can't find anything interesting to buy....
#13 Oct 10 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Default
also the fact that every final fantasy game in the history of games has GIL as the currency, so yeah i see where they are comming from and would have said the same thing.
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#14 Oct 10 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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haven't seen any RMT on Wutai server yet. I'm sure they are out there.
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No gold sellers yet on the server i am playing. At least i did't noticed anything. But it sucks indeed.
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#16 Oct 10 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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2-3 tells a day here on Istory for the last 3 days.
It'll be interesting to see how they shape the economy this time.
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TheMoreYouKnow wrote:
This is just more semantics, but "whisper" is a Blizzard-specific term. They've used it ever since their first Internet-capable games.


Blizzard may have started the use of it, but it's not specific to their games anymore and hasn't been for years. My point is that if people recognize tells and whispers as the same type of communication within an MMO, and gold and gil as currency in an MMO, why does this community need to go off on others (usually new users or infrequent posters) for using the "wrong" term so often? That just seems like such an elitist attitude (as opposed to helpful).

Hey, maybe it's just me (and looking at the responses posted after my first post in this thread, I kinda believe it is just me), but I thought that first response on the thread was overly rude, and I called him on it. According to this community, I was wrong.

/shrug
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#18 Oct 10 2010 at 3:47 PM Rating: Default
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c'mon WooShoo lighten up. It was a funny post given the atmosphere of this forum. Lots of Final Fantasy fans on here and lots of FFXI fans. It was really more of a friendly jab. Let's all just be friends :D
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(Soapbox, wha...?)

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You try preaching when you're only 3ft tall and people think you're just trying to climb up to where the ice-cream man can see you. ><
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#20 Oct 10 2010 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think its 'arguing semantics' after all SE clearly uses the terms /tell and gil in-game so, I mean, what's to argue about? One way is correct, one is not.

You wouldn't see someone call it "Last Fantasy" and then defend it saying 'its just semantics'.....
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rikkuotaku wrote:
I don't think its 'arguing semantics' after all SE clearly uses the terms /tell and gil in-game so, I mean, what's to argue about? One way is correct, one is not.

You wouldn't see someone call it "Last Fantasy" and then defend it saying 'its just semantics'.....


Completely irrelevant. The fact remains that tells/whispers are MMORPG universal terms and are used indiscriminately. In fact, some MMO's go as far as using both just for the sake of convenience.

I do agree though that it was just a jab and it was a bit funny. No need to mad considering Zam is full of elitists.
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#22 Oct 10 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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Haven't had any myself, but an LS friend said they got 1 the other day. Though I still have to wonder how bad someone would have to be at making gil in this game to be desperate enough to buy gil. Seems unthinkable right now...
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rikkuotaku wrote:
I don't think its 'arguing semantics' after all SE clearly uses the terms /tell and gil in-game so, I mean, what's to argue about? One way is correct, one is not.

You wouldn't see someone call it "Last Fantasy" and then defend it saying 'its just semantics'.....


I was going to drop this, but...

Both /tell and /whisper refer to the same type of communication in an MMO, and they function the same way. Both gil and gold are in-game currency and function the same. This would be like saying that bicycle is wrong, and bike is right. The OP wasn't talking about "gold" or "whispers" as much as he was talking about "currency" and "person-to-person, private chat".

Calling Final Fantasy by any other name is wrong because you're referring to something by its name which has no other designation. Final Fantasy and EvE Online are both MMORPGs, but they are very different in substance and function.
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I do agree though that it was just a jab and it was a bit funny. No need to mad considering Zam is full of elitists.


Okay, I actually laughed at that one in RL.
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MrBarjavel wrote:
The lack of AH is not to counter the gil seller, but the gil buyer, you never need gil, you can't find anything interesting to buy....


I see what you did there!
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#26 Oct 11 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont need to buy gil because I have a ton of it with nothing to spend it on. The variety of gear is slack and the next upgrades appear to be in the high 20s or 30s and that seems to be maybe 6 months away with the hit or miss sp gains in combat.

So I sell my shards and crystals via retainer and vendor every mat I come across and watch my gil climb and climb. 250k seemed like a lot until I hit 500k, then at 750k I tried to blow it on gear but after a few hours shopping in the wards I came up empty handed. I might be at 1 million gil within 2 days from vendoring all the precious items people wish they could get but couldn't because my bags are full and my retainer bazaar is full of crystals and shards all the time - no time to sell mats.
#27 Oct 11 2010 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I have received two RMT tells since pre-release launch.

Seems they only have people at the docks of Limsa Lominsa, even then they are not around long.

Now compare this to Aion... and yes, Aion's entire chatlong was RMT spam for MONTHS.

I think they are doing a good job at making the RMT go bye-bye.

Lets all gather as an MMO community and stop the sellers by trying to stop people from buying.

Supply-Demand, no demand, no supply.
#28 Oct 13 2010 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
PrometheusUnbound wrote:
Yesterday I logged on about 12-Noon EST and within 5-minutes I received a random [PRIVATE CHAT] directing me to a website to buy [IMAGINARY MONEY]. Made me sad the rest of the day considering how many of the things that are currently frustrating the player base are to combat/prevent Botting/RMT farming.

Has anyone else seen people selling [IMAGINARY MONEY] already?

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 6:47pm by PrometheusUnbound




FIXED FOR THE FANATICS...



KaneKitty wrote:
PrometheusUnbound wrote:
I received a random whisper...Has anyone else seen people selling gold already yet?


Not here, I get neither whispers nor gold in FFXIV.


TheMoreYouKnow wrote:
WooShoo wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Not here, I get neither whispers nor gold in FFXIV.


Wow... really? Do you need to prove your elitism so badly that you have to argue semantics like this? Is the use of generic MMO terms such an assault on your brain that you just can't let it go? I guess people saying "toon" makes you go out and beat kittens with sacks of puppies.
This is just more semantics, but "whisper" is a Blizzard-specific term. They've used it ever since their first Internet-capable games. The generic MMO term in this case is "tell."


WooShoo wrote:
TheMoreYouKnow wrote:
This is just more semantics, but "whisper" is a Blizzard-specific term. They've used it ever since their first Internet-capable games.


Blizzard may have started the use of it, but it's not specific to their games anymore and hasn't been for years. My point is that if people recognize tells and whispers as the same type of communication within an MMO, and gold and gil as currency in an MMO, why does this community need to go off on others (usually new users or infrequent posters) for using the "wrong" term so often? That just seems like such an elitist attitude (as opposed to helpful).

Hey, maybe it's just me (and looking at the responses posted after my first post in this thread, I kinda believe it is just me), but I thought that first response on the thread was overly rude, and I called him on it. According to this community, I was wrong.

/shrug




Thanks @ WooShoo for trying to inject a little reason into the derailed thread replies regarding my (apparently) offensive use of non-FF-specific game terminology in my original post.

The only reason I am responding is to say that I played FFXI from the day it launched so people who have OCPD about minutia like this really amuse me.

Two points:

1. Many terms due to popular usage become part of everyday conversation. The most popularly used or widespread terms are usually the ones that are accepted, passed on, and used in place of other terms that enjoy less popularity of use. However, either term is acceptable to use.

(NOTE: From a reasoning standpoint, a 'whisper' would be "more correct" in that it denotes a traditionally more private communication method...than a 'tell'. i.e. "At the meeting I 'told' the person next to me he had something stuck in his teeth." vs "At the meeting I 'whispered' to the person next to me he had something stuck in his teeth.")

2. About OCPD: (copied from "The Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders")

DESCRIPTION -

People suffering from OCPD have careful rules and procedures for conducting many aspects of their everyday lives. While their goal is to accomplish things in a careful, orderly manner, their desire for perfection and insistence on going "by the book" often overrides their ability to complete a task. This type of inflexibility typically extends to interpersonal relationships. People with OCPD are known for being highly controlling and bossy toward other people, especially subordinates. They will often insist that there is one and only one right way (their way) to fold laundry, cut grass, drive a car, write a report, or even speak. In addition, they are so insistent on following rules that they cannot allow for what most people would consider legitimate exceptions.



Just sayin'...
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PrometheusUnbound wrote:
Yesterday I logged on about 12-Noon EST and within 5-minutes I received a random [PRIVATE CHAT] directing me to a website to buy [IMAGINARY MONEY]. Made me sad the rest of the day considering how many of the things that are currently frustrating the player base are to combat/prevent Botting/RMT farming.

Has anyone else seen people selling [IMAGINARY MONEY] already?

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 6:47pm by PrometheusUnbound


I doubt you play or know the first thing about FFXIV.

If you've played FFXI since release then you would understand how the use of the term "gold" is extremely out of place in the FF universe.

Not only did u not state what server you are on and where you were at in the OP, your recent posts show absolutely no understanding of the game whatsoever. The only thing you've been donig around here is bolstering rant threads and making general claims without any justification or proper reasoning.

*sighs* If you have no authentic or constructive observations or commentary please just GTFO.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 7:41pm by tarutso
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And in regards to RMT, I have not received any /tells from RMTs on Wutai.
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#32 Oct 13 2010 at 7:38 PM Rating: Decent
To those who have gotten RMT tells let me ask, how long is your character name? I have a suspicion that RMT are probably using an automated program that keeps firing off a macro or string of text such as:

/t <t> [Text for Gil/Gil-Website]

to every person it can within range of its targeting. Now it could be the reason some don't get it (I haven't and I stood in front of a RMT bot I found near Ul'dah for almost 10-20 minutes.) is due to their name lengths. Since the chat box is far shorter than anything we have and names are added in to the chat box limit it could be that it returns an error if the target's name is too long and doesn't send the tell. If so then it's a sort of twisted but good thing that the text limit it so short. One way to test it would be to find someone with a really long name, use /t <t> and type out a long message. If they get it without butchering part of the text, great. If it fails then we know why some aren't getting the tells. Just my two cents...
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#33 Oct 14 2010 at 1:18 AM Rating: Decent
tarutso wrote:
[quote=PrometheusUnbound]

Not only did u not state what server you are on and where you were at in the OP, your recent posts show absolutely no understanding of the game whatsoever. The only thing you've been donig around here is bolstering rant threads and making general claims without any justification or proper reasoning.

*sighs* If you have no authentic or constructive observations or commentary please just GTFO.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 7:41pm by tarutso



News-flash...this is MY thread...so YOU GTFO. Who cares WHERE I was at? Are toons relegated to being BOUND to a certain spot in the game while playing? Also...I play on ISTORY server...as if THAT is relevant. My thread was to poll the general population here to see if my experience was an exception or if other people were experiencing the same thing.

Seriously.../reach /grab /panties.../remove 'from' /bunched-up, /****


As for my 'Bona Fides' I played FFXI from day-1 I can relate to those 'newbs' ( newb=new player...not N00B which is an insult) here the story of the EPIC (best ever...EVER IMHO) server event in any MMO I have played, which was the 2003 Christmas event that unlocked "Telepoints" to be able to use.

I played 5 toons, my favorite was my BLM/WHM named "Callipygian" and is the poster-child at Allakhazam for the BLM weapon "Ivory Sickle". I played on the "Siren" server, and I was the FIRST toon on that server to have that weapon....hence my submission to Allakhazam.

I was also "in-game" in FFXIV within 27-minutes of services being launched.

Soo...your point is?



I am not tooting my horn, but this guy asked me to provide 'credentials' to warrant my post...

Totally idiotic.../drunk-poster much?




I apologize to those who come here and read this, but some Zam posters just hit on my last nerve sometimes...


Edited, Oct 14th 2010 3:37am by PrometheusUnbound

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 3:44am by PrometheusUnbound
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#34 Oct 14 2010 at 1:49 AM Rating: Decent
Sir SamusKnight wrote:
To those who have gotten RMT tells let me ask, how long is your character name? I have a suspicion that RMT are probably using an automated program that keeps firing off a macro or string of text such as:

/t <t> [Text for Gil/Gil-Website]

to every person it can within range of its targeting. Now it could be the reason some don't get it (I haven't and I stood in front of a RMT bot I found near Ul'dah for almost 10-20 minutes.) is due to their name lengths. Since the chat box is far shorter than anything we have and names are added in to the chat box limit it could be that it returns an error if the target's name is too long and doesn't send the tell. If so then it's a sort of twisted but good thing that the text limit it so short. One way to test it would be to find someone with a really long name, use /t <t> and type out a long message. If they get it without butchering part of the text, great. If it fails then we know why some aren't getting the tells. Just my two cents...




My name is [first name is 11-chars], [second name is 7-chars]

Still got a RMT tell.

TYVM for the attempt to reason out what may trigger the 'target' of an RMT tell.

I appreciate the input.
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