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#1 Oct 10 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Default
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Call me a jerk/**** whatever you want, but SE screwed a lot of long time customers over with this release. I actually do hope this game fails. I hope it will teach SE a lesson that next time they cannot release an MMO in this state.

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#2 Oct 10 2010 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
You are joking right? Even if this game did fail, SE still will not learn anything, and will just blame it on the negative reviews scaring people away.
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#3 Oct 10 2010 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I hope it goes downhill enough for SE to change their PR policy so they actually start listening and talking to players more often than a few times a year.
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#4 Oct 10 2010 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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It's funny, a lot of the QQers have less than 20 posts to their name e.e
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I'd rather not see it fail, but unfortunately, I have a sinking feeling that that's the only thing that's going to knock them out of their "We are Square-Enix and we can do no wrong!" delusion and back into reality.

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#6 Oct 10 2010 at 8:42 PM Rating: Default
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Sadly I am one of those people who agrees and wants this game to flop hardcore, and I hope they'll learn a lesson or 2. However I have come to terms with SE won't learn anything, as long as they get money they won't care.
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#7 Oct 10 2010 at 8:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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How foolish. If the game succeeds, everybody wins -- I get a fun, long-lasting game, and SE thrives, thereby giving me more; if the game fails, everybody looses -- I don't get the fun I wanted, and SE looses some amount of money.

The sordid schadenfreude pleasure you might be able to extract from FFXIV's failure would never outweigh the potential years of enjoyment you could receive from playing through its successful incarnation.

And here I thought that, whatever the degree of anger we on these boards display, however hot the flames became, we were all on the same side -- that all of us wanted a deeply enjoyable experience! I had attributed our differences merely to different levels of frustration, varying volumes of disappointment, and personal need for venting, but I had thought that we were all on the same side.

I cannot fathom what a failed game would give to me that a successful one would not give in greater supply; frankly, it seems nonsensical. And had I not read this thread, I would have still been assuring myself, "Who wouldn't want something to be fun?"
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Well said kanekitty. I agree wholeheartedly. I don't understand why someone would WANT it to fail. If you want to play the game, why would you play it and want it to fail? If you don't like the game, simply stop playing it and move on. If you don't like and stop playing it, then why would you want it to fail when many other people do enjoy playing it? I personaly do enjoy playing it. I will say that it is far from perfect, but it's nothing that a little time wont fix. Games (mmo's in general) are never perfect when they first release. That's why there are patches.

EDIT: I'm also curious why people seem to think that SE has this "we can do no wrong" idea. I've seen it mentioned several times throughout the last couple months, but nobody's ever posted any support or reasons for this accusation. It must be said that these claims are always made by people that have some sort of complaint or dislike about how they made a game. To those people, I just sigh and think that if you don't like a game then don't play it. I can't give a link to any quotes or anything, but I'm pretty sure SE has said on many occasions that they like to take risks and try new things with their games. This would explain why they change FF's with each new installment and, of course, not everybody will like these changes.

With many of the complaints I hear, if they had included these ideas, while many would be helpful to players (AH or easier travel), people would also take this game that incorporates everything and might say that it's a FFXI clone or they just stole some ideas from WoW. I guess it's up to each person to decide if they would rather have a game that is different that may or may not work out well or have a game that is nothing new with the same thing as different games only a different look to it.

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For me personally the game has already failed. I could live with all the current issues, but the deal breaker was the battle system. It's just too monotonous and battles have no climax (I miss weapon skills and skill chains). Whether it fails overall, I could care less at this point. Perhaps SE need a reality check that a solid reputation and strong track record only take you so far.
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If you want to play the game, why would you play it and want it to fail? If you don't like the game, simply stop playing it and move on. If you don't like and stop playing it, then why would you want it to fail when many other people do enjoy playing it?


I think that is a wise and mature attitude to possess, especially the latter of my quoted sentences, which is (refreshingly) uncommonly considerate.
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#11 Oct 10 2010 at 9:02 PM Rating: Default
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OK, I'm going to apologize in advance for this.

If most the people that hate the game and want it to fail are like me, then we don't really care how other people tend to feel about the game.

This is simply because we were disappointed in this game because SE hyped up so much and then gave us something that looked pretty on the outside, but on the inside completely sucked in our opinion.

For a proper analogy. We are the spoiled kids that got this huge gift wrapped in beautiful wrapping paper for our birthday, but in the end we got something the we completely hate, and us being spoiled brats complain about.
(note you have no choice but to like this analogy)
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To this, I would have to say that they are there. They only just recently explained how to use them. People just didn't know how or where to find them. Just like many people don't know about the friends list. It's there. It's just buried under several menu options.
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To this, I would have to say that they are there. They only just recently explained how to use them. People just didn't know how or where to find them. Just like many people don't know about the friends list. It's there. It's just buried under several menu options.


Abilities like Trunksplitter or Skewer are similar to weapon skills, but they are available too often (2-3 hits) to be special. Combining them in battle regimens isn't very exciting either (if you can get it to work). Most battle regimens only result in debuffs on the mob, not the high damage destruction like skill chains were in FFXI. Some people may like the new battle system, but I just wasn't sold.
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I can certainly agree with you, isykora, about the weapon skills not being very very exciting since they are available a lot. I find myself not really doing any fighting unless it is during levs. I also find myself only doing levs when I can do them with others. Solo grinding really just isn't very much fun. I do miss how FFXI was more oriented to playing with others, but I also do wish that there could be a happy medium with that and soloing for exp when you need to.
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#16 Oct 10 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would think if you spent your money on a game that you would want that game to succeed and become the best game possible but what do I know.

Whether or not SE can learn from a game that is a failure to gamers but still sells well is a different story. At some point, they just started to believe their own hype and in their minds, they can do no wrong as long as they are still able to milk a previously successful IP. There are other IPs that have experienced this, too. The Madden franchise immediately comes to mind. I haven't played much Nintendo since N64 but the Zelda franchise strikes me as having the same problems.
#17 Oct 10 2010 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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If most the people that hate the game and want it to fail are like me. . . We are the spoiled kids that got this huge gift wrapped in beautiful wrapping paper for our birthday, but in the end we got something the we completely hate, and us being spoiled brats complain about.
Exactly. You called yourself spoiled kids. So why not grow up just a little and quit a game you don't like, rather than wishing for it to fail? You guys also seem to be trying to cause its failure by seeing just how much "SE R TEH FAILZ!!!!11" threads you can post on this forum.

I'm sorry, but when I was 12 I had more maturity than to wish for something to fail while ignoring the disappointment it would cause many, many people. That's about as childish as a two-year-old.

Are you proud of that? I assume so since you seem to be defending it.
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#18 Oct 10 2010 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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i'm sure most of us have bought a new game simply thinking "Oh man this looks cool, i've been watching trailers on youtube daily and waiting for ever for this to release, now its here" i have plenty still sitting on the shelf after day one of poping it in, playing it for 30 mins then thinking that was a waste of money.

Sure you feel robbed. but you don't jump straight online spamming forums of how OMGWTFBBQ THIS IZ THE WORST GAME EVA LOLZ!!!111!! PPLZ WHO BUY THIZ GAME R TEH WORST. wait apparently you do!

Go to your collection of games and see how many you didn't actually like (you might just be amazed), and feel free to place this next to them, makes your collection look bigger if nothing else. then walk away, problem solved!

Don't wish on a company to fail simply because it wasn't for you, they're trying to find a common ground while also trying to keep balance. Peoples preferences vary, and with that trying to balance the scale will never be easy, add one thing tips the scale on one side, someone somewhere will never be happy.

the game describes exactly what it is. it has never sugar coated anything. it has not decieved you in any way, maybe your own expectations have

I fear SE's rating for this game may have been its failing if anything, it should have been an 18






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#19 Oct 10 2010 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
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It's funny, a lot of the QQers have less than 20 posts to their name e.e


It's funny, a lot of apologists for SE have hundreds of posts to their name o.o
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Lol. Having this game fail would only mean you'd be screwed over more. I would have paid 75 dollars for a box. I hope the game gets over this stumbling block and goes on to be very successful tyvm.
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It's funny, a lot of the QQers have less than 20 posts to their name e.e


It's funny, a lot of apologists for SE have hundreds of posts to their name o.o


most of us where on the forums from wow or ffxi before ffxiv was ever here?
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#22 Oct 10 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why would anyone want a game they spent money to buy to fail? That's just retarded.
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I can understand where people are coming from here. We feel wronged and frustrated and want someone to pay for this slight. It is only natural that we turn our anger towards SE and hope that some level of justice and satisfaction is awarded. It's as if SE is a scam-artist and we're the countless elderly folk who they steal from.

I want so badly for this game to get better and succeed, but it's becoming less and less likely with each passing day. So if I can't enjoy it in the way I initially wanted, I can at least recoup some level of gratification knowing that SE loses out as well. As spiteful as this sounds, am I really wrong to feel this way?

Edited, Oct 10th 2010 11:48pm by RayneZ
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I can understand where people are coming from here. We feel wronged and frustrated and want someone to pay for this slight. It is only natural that we turn our anger towards SE and hope that some level of justice and satisfaction is awarded. It's as if SE is a scam-artist and we're the countless elderly folk who they steal from.

I want so badly for this game to get better and succeed, but it's becoming less and less likely that it will with each passing day. So if I can't enjoy it in the way I initially wanted, I can at least recoup some level of satisfaction knowing that SE loses out as well. As spiteful as this sounds, am I really wrong to feel this way?

Edited, Oct 10th 2010 11:45pm by RayneZ


your just feeling let down, you've probbably had a time in your life where a family member has promised to take you the fair ground, only to let you down on the day, would you or did you wish to seek revenge or hope they would fall and break thier leg? i dearly hope not, you did though feel upset and let down, in your mind you probably thought, i'm never talking to them again, but you did.

Time is a great healer, unfortuantly your stuck in the present


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I can understand where people are coming from here. We feel wronged and frustrated and want someone to pay for this slight. It is only natural that we turn our anger towards SE and hope that some level of justice and satisfaction is awarded. It's as if SE is a scam-artist and we're the countless elderly folk who they steal from.

I want so badly for this game to get better and succeed, but it's becoming less and less likely that it will with each passing day. So if I can't enjoy it in the way I initially wanted, I can at least recoup some level of satisfaction knowing that SE loses out as well. As spiteful as this sounds, am I really wrong to feel this way?

Edited, Oct 10th 2010 11:45pm by RayneZ


your just feeling let down, you've probbably had a time in your life where a family member has promised to take you the fair ground, only to let you down on the day, would you or did you wish to seek revenge or hope they would fall and break thier leg? i dearly hope not, you did though feel upset and let down, in your mind you probably thought, i'm never talking to them again, but you did.

Time is a great healer, unfortuantly your stuck in the present




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If it means that SE finally figures stuff out, then yeah I'd be happy with it failing. Things is even as it rips apart at the seams SE will be saying, "Everything is working as intended! Enjoy the game."

They're going to keep saying that right into bankruptcy. Hopefully someone else will buy out the FF franchise and revitalize it. I'd love Bioware to produce the next one. ****, at this point I wouldn't mind having Blizzard produce it. Anyone who isn't SE.
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I don't see what's hard to understand about wanting the game to fail. Do we generally want people who do a poor job to succeed? The OP makes it pretty clear that they hope that SE learns a lesson, and that's not necessarily a petty sentiment. In fact, I agree. I don't necessarily want the game to fail, but if that's what it would take to prevent SE from repeating the same mistakes, then I'd welcome it.

Can anyone here honestly say they've never wanted someone to fail at something, especially when they seem to enjoy more success than they deserve? Not all businesses that are successful get that way through virtuous or competent practices.
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your just feeling let down, you've probbably had a time in your life where a family member has promised to take you the fair ground, only to let you down on the day, would you or did you wish to seek revenge or hope they would fall and break thier leg? i dearly hope not, you did though feel upset and let down, in your mind you probably thought, i'm never talking to them again, but you did.

Time is a great healer, unfortuantly your stuck in the present


I know how I feel and all could be forgiven if they can give me a game I actually feel like playing (and paying for). As it stands, I feel they mislead me and stole my money. And they aren't even related to me so I don't feel I owe them the same level of forgiveness or leeway.

Am I to simply stay positive and offer no alternative but to wait for the game to get better? What then, am I left with if nothing changes and the game ultimately fails? My disappointment and resentment would only magnify. I look at it as a way to cut my losses, a sort of back-up plan. Either way, at least I get something out of all this.
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I do not wish to see any game fail, particularly those from companies I have historically supported. I do fear the potential though, for one reason, and one result. The feedback, whether deserved or not, has been overwhelmingly negative from the layman's perspective. Those of us who browse the boards and form our own opinions from the information given to us in and out of the game know that the actual response to the game has been mixed, but given as good as it's gotten. That being said, the general consuming public has probably only seen the truly atrocious scores it has received in magazines and perhaps even browsed a forum such as this and seen the tremendous amount of complaining. As such, I do fear that the game teeters on the precipice, the hardcore fans will always stay, but Square Enix needs to pull in new blood if they want to make the game a success.

What I truly fear, more than the game failing itself, is the result that would come about. Square Enix has a policy of doing something different in every one of their games. If FFXIV fails we will either not see another MMO from them, or we will see something with a completely different system; and honestly, there are a tremendous number of unpolished gems of ideas in FFXIV that I would hate to see lost. Things that have been lost in the poor UI, slow latency response times, and strange development choices. I think the battle system is unpolished, but with a little work, could be incredibly immersive. Astonishingly enough, I would also hate to see the retainer system go before it has a chance to full flush out. Sure, no one likes it - even I think it's a steaming pile of refuse - but every so often I see a glimmer of genius in the pile.

I hope, truly, that the masses will give Square Enix enough time to polish that **** for all it's worth before deciding there isn't a diamond in it.
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I don't see what's hard to understand about wanting the game to fail. Do we generally want people who do a poor job to succeed? The OP makes it pretty clear that they hope that SE learns a lesson, and that's not necessarily a petty sentiment. In fact, I agree. I don't necessarily want the game to fail, but if that's what it would take to prevent SE from repeating the same mistakes, then I'd welcome it.

Can anyone here honestly say they've never wanted someone to fail at something, especially when they seem to enjoy more success than they deserve? Not all businesses that are successful get that way through virtuous or competent practices.




I think the point your getting at is vaild, but if they failed at this, i doubt they would ever try again to make a MMO, they have enough devisions anyhow, this probbably wouldn't even make a dent in their account. It would just stop altogether another FF MMO experience, why even try again. Sure if it is sucsessful its a great BOOM to them, but they have nothing really to loose if it does in fact go balls up, they probbably have some sort of insurance somewhere which covers them from an Unsucsessful MMO (or a molotov cocktail sitting in the server room) either way there is going to be a big BOOM :)


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I'm also curious why people seem to think that SE has this "we can do no wrong" idea. I've seen it mentioned several times throughout the last couple months, but nobody's ever posted any support or reasons for this accusation.

I have not seen to much of this myself, as I try to avoid the "I hate this game" threads, but I would guess that this sentiment primarily comes from FFXI players. In FFXI Square Enix has a long history of addressing requests by the players in ways such as "We have had a lot of feedback asking for more diversity in Celestial Avatars, but have no plans to implement any at this time." -- This is a dramatization, any resemblance to posts by Square Enix, real or fictional is purely coincidental.
Really there is no one thing you can point to, but the general... miasma around the FFXI boards has been that Square Enix has a plan and they are not going to change it for silly things like user input.

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#32 Oct 10 2010 at 11:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can understand where people are coming from here. We feel wronged and frustrated and want someone to pay for this slight. It is only natural that we turn our anger towards SE and hope that some level of justice and satisfaction is awarded. It's as if SE is a scam-artist and we're the countless elderly folk who they steal from.

I want so badly for this game to get better and succeed, but it's becoming less and less likely with each passing day. So if I can't enjoy it in the way I initially wanted, I can at least recoup some level of gratification knowing that SE loses out as well. As spiteful as this sounds, am I really wrong to feel this way?

Edited, Oct 10th 2010 11:48pm by RayneZ


Depends on how old you are. I'd hope most of us grew out of the "If I can't have it no one can!" mentality back in grade school.
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your just feeling let down, you've probbably had a time in your life where a family member has promised to take you the fair ground, only to let you down on the day, would you or did you wish to seek revenge or hope they would fall and break thier leg? i dearly hope not, you did though feel upset and let down, in your mind you probably thought, i'm never talking to them again, but you did.

Time is a great healer, unfortuantly your stuck in the present


I know how I feel and all could be forgiven if they can give me a game I actually feel like playing (and paying for). As it stands, I feel they mislead me and stole my money. And they aren't even related to me so I don't feel I owe them the same level of forgiveness or leeway.

Am I to simply stay positive and offer no alternative but to wait for the game to get better? What then, am I left with if nothing changes and the game ultimately fails? My disappointment and resentment would only magnify. I look at it as a way to cut my losses, a sort of back-up plan. Either way, at least I get something out of all this.


Sounds like a possitive plan,(although i dont think they mislead anyone, they dangled the bait, we all just went on a feeding frenzy) just susspend your account for the time being, and keep checking back on the forums from time to time to see how it's panning out, (SE's rate of BIG changes are usually quarterly, but bug fixes tend to be more frequent, that being said, February would be the BIG change time, oh look with a month before PS3 release).

By better how do you mean, control? content? or all the fixes? the fixes will be fortnightly by the looks of things at the min, control possibly will in there somewhere with the fixes. Content, we'll hopefully see a burst somewhere before christmas, then another beofre PS3 Release.

You seem like a good person, who like most of us have hit that wall, see the only 2 options, turn around, or waste your time and hope whatever is over it, is worth the climb. I hope you do come back (lol because it means the game was a sucsess in the end :P) but if your in 2 minds, just put it on hold for now.
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Hopefully someone else will buy out the FF franchise and revitalize it. I'd love Bioware to produce the next one. ****, at this point I wouldn't mind having Blizzard produce it. Anyone who isn't SE.


Yeah, then everyone can have great big muscles GRRR!! And do back-flips, awesome!1

That would suck. >_<
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How foolish. If the game succeeds, everybody wins -- I get a fun, long-lasting game, and SE thrives, thereby giving me more; if the game fails, everybody looses -- I don't get the fun I wanted, and SE looses some amount of money.

The sordid schadenfreude pleasure you might be able to extract from FFXIV's failure would never outweigh the potential years of enjoyment you could receive from playing through its successful incarnation.

And here I thought that, whatever the degree of anger we on these boards display, however hot the flames became, we were all on the same side -- that all of us wanted a deeply enjoyable experience! I had attributed our differences merely to different levels of frustration, varying volumes of disappointment, and personal need for venting, but I had thought that we were all on the same side.

I cannot fathom what a failed game would give to me that a successful one would not give in greater supply; frankly, it seems nonsensical. And had I not read this thread, I would have still been assuring myself, "Who wouldn't want something to be fun?"


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Hopefully someone else will buy out the FF franchise and revitalize it. I'd love Bioware to produce the next one. ****, at this point I wouldn't mind having Blizzard produce it. Anyone who isn't SE.


Yeah, then everyone can have great big muscles GRRR!! And do back-flips, awesome!1

That would suck. >_<


At least we could jump.
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#38 Oct 11 2010 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Thankfully the thousands of people playing the game and having fun will compensate for the 50 people on zam.com that hate the game and I am sure FFXIV will succeed.

Yes, it has some pretty big issues at the moment, but there are lots of us having enough fun to keep going. I played FFXI and WoW for many years and right now would still rather play FFXIV than either of those titles.

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#39 Oct 11 2010 at 4:14 AM Rating: Good
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Call me a jerk/**** whatever you want, but SE screwed a lot of long time customers over with this release. I actually do hope this game fails. I hope it will teach SE a lesson that next time they cannot release an MMO in this state.


lol it wont fail. People gave FFXI 3 months, people gave StarTrek online 3 months. Now look.
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#40 Oct 11 2010 at 6:21 AM Rating: Good
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SE wont learn anything no matter what happens, they do what they do.FFXI got rick rolled by WoW, it came out a year later and immediatly stole half FFXI's player base. They didn't learn anything from that.

I dont want it to fail, I want it to be awesome, but it's most likely gonna be mediocre at best just like everything else SE has done in the past 10 years.

Tanaka said in an interview,(I'm paraphrasing)

"we're not building this game for a niche market, we want to be a serious contender"

Not a good start buddy, if you wanna be a contender you don't release a game that makes half of your most loyal fans never want to buy another SE product again.

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#41 Oct 11 2010 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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SE wont learn anything no matter what happens, they do what they do.FFXI got rick rolled by WoW, it came out a year later and immediatly stole half FFXI's player base. They didn't learn anything from that.


WoW was created for the Masses, any tom **** or harry can play WoW. I have known about 8 people who play WoW and none who played FFXI. One tried it and failed because she admitted she had zero patience. Yet FFXI is still alive. And there really is no comparison to WoW and FFXI because WoW is what is used when it comes to comparing an MMO and it really did put MMO on the map. And I can admit that even though I am not a WoW fan.
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#42 Oct 11 2010 at 6:27 AM Rating: Default
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It's funny, a lot of the QQers have less than 20 posts to their name e.e


Awesome, I'm not the only one who's realized this. Blizzard fanboys who are signing up to help everyone jump on the hate bandwagon. Very dirty!
#43 Oct 11 2010 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
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SE wont learn anything no matter what happens, they do what they do.FFXI got rick rolled by WoW, it came out a year later and immediatly stole half FFXI's player base. They didn't learn anything from that.


WoW was created for the Masses, any tom **** or harry can play WoW. I have known about 8 people who play WoW and none who played FFXI. One tried it and failed because she admitted she had zero patience. Yet FFXI is still alive. And there really is no comparison to WoW and FFXI because WoW is what is used when it comes to comparing an MMO and it really did put MMO on the map. And I can admit that even though I am not a WoW fan.



If you think SE makes games to please only the loyal fans you are delusional, SE is a company, companies want to make money, the way you make money in an MMO is by getting as many subscribers as possible. So from that stanpoint it's already a failure. Even if it continues for the next 10 years, it will never be a success.
#44 Oct 11 2010 at 7:05 AM Rating: Default
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**** right I'd like it to fail. That would mean they'd have three choices.

Start on yet another MMO

Pay more attention to FFXI.

Completely get out of the MMO business.




Of course knowing SE they'd probably just start on Final Fantasy XVI Online.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#45 Oct 11 2010 at 7:47 AM Rating: Default
I think what has failed is the part of the gamers community, where one player can't share their views honestly online anymore.
One says some aspect is a let down while another says stop crying about it and it becomes a wave of crap.

For those who hate it:
I can understand your disappointments and concerns.
Some things are uncomfortable and feel wrong but again it is still very early in the game's life.
You have to understand at the moment there are many other ways to advance and go about things (even if you dont like it) as others have with minimal issues.
Yes, even as a disappointment you have to play the game the way it is and can vent about your personal experience.
Also, keep in mind while sharing your criticisms that you may receive negative feedback from others who are enjoying the game so dont go too overboard.

For those who love it:
Very well you love it and you are enjoying the game but understand that others have not shared the same experience as you have. They will vent their opinions as it is natural to do so and being labeled as a whiner, QQ or whatever isnt going to help encourage anyone.
Just please try to be a little more nicer and let whoever vent what they want.

I share both views as i love the game and am disappointed with some parts of it but since i dont like to call criticism whiners and such i also understand where they coming from so i may seem at times that i may appear as a pure hater of the game.

I don't want the game to fail but i think ide rather have the game fail instead of the cancer its creating among the community.

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#46 Oct 11 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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I think alot of the frustration is because we have all been playing SE games for along time, and we know that things don't change like the fanbois keep saying. I mean I have heard so many times people say, "look at FFXI, it's completely different now than it was at launch", first off its been like 8 yrs since the launch so ya, it has changed a bit. 90% of the changes really came in the last couple years. the first 5 years or so of the game, VERY LITTLE was changed. I tihnk the largets change they implemented in the first 5 years was probably the fishing mechanic.

So as a fan of Final Fantasy, I personally want to play the game, but I'm just not delusional. I have never seen SE listen to gamer feedback,(tanaka has even been quoted as telling his devs to not listen), and I doubt this game a year from now, will be much different than it is now.
So as a fan, people just have to ask themselves if it's acceptable for a company to charge a premium for an incomplete product, plus an additional fee once a month for several years, with the potential of MAYBE fixing/changing things.

I think alot of the frustration would be stopped if they would just stop being so damned secretive about everything, and release a few statements here and there, and im not talking about those "ask the devs" fluff pieces. Some official site forms and GM's posting like every other game would solve alot of this. But I guess since other games have official forums they can't cause theyre being "dfferent" and "innovative".

FXIV Launch is a bit different than it was in early beta and alpha, but not really. I mean, theres "upgrades" more than changes, and everything that has been changed, are the things no one really cared about, the stuff that we ******* and griped over are still the same. Maybe a coat of paint on them but the same.
#47 Oct 11 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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I definitely don't want the game to fail! I want it to get better. If I'm still not enjoying it in its current state when my 30 days run out, I'll unsubscribe but keep a weather eye on the Zam forums to see how it's progressing.
#48 Oct 11 2010 at 3:02 PM Rating: Default
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Personally, I haven't experience any problems with the game (bugs, server crashes, etc). So I don't really know what you mean by "release an MMO in this state".
My issue is that the game, working as intended, is just not fun to play.
I don't want the game to fail. Why would I spend $70 to buy it if I did?
But unless, they overhaul the UI and many gameplay aspects, I think failure is inevitable.
#49 Oct 11 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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Call me a jerk/**** whatever you want, but SE screwed a lot of long time customers over with this release. I actually do hope this game fails. I hope it will teach SE a lesson that next time they cannot release an MMO in this state.


I don't see how SE screwed long time customers. You seem to have really deep issues and i suggest you see a doctor that can help you. We don't want you to run around killing people in a few years just because you think they screwed everyone over for some unknown reason. If it's the voices in your head telling you this i suggest drilling a hole into your head to let the little people out.

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Ah...So the people that really hates the game are sticking around on these forums just to bash the game as much as possible to make it fail instead of moving on...?

I've been reading the hate threads since CE release and it's always the same people...I understand that you don't like the game, but hoping that it will fail, that's just ignorant. I want all MMOs to succeed because they all have a following, they all have people that actually enjoy the game. What if it fails? You get what, a second of gratification when the people that enjoyed the game loses out on hundreds of hours of gameplay? How sad, just sad....

I've never seen such inconsiderate people....
#51 Oct 11 2010 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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How foolish. If the game succeeds, everybody wins -- I get a fun, long-lasting game, and SE thrives, thereby giving me more; if the game fails, everybody looses -- I don't get the fun I wanted, and SE looses some amount of money.

The sordid schadenfreude pleasure you might be able to extract from FFXIV's failure would never outweigh the potential years of enjoyment you could receive from playing through its successful incarnation.

And here I thought that, whatever the degree of anger we on these boards display, however hot the flames became, we were all on the same side -- that all of us wanted a deeply enjoyable experience! I had attributed our differences merely to different levels of frustration, varying volumes of disappointment, and personal need for venting, but I had thought that we were all on the same side.

I cannot fathom what a failed game would give to me that a successful one would not give in greater supply; frankly, it seems nonsensical. And had I not read this thread, I would have still been assuring myself, "Who wouldn't want something to be fun?"


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