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#1 Oct 10 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I tried to make myself like this game, seeing how I loved previous FF games, but I just can't do it.

I know I will get totally rated down by a bunch of people trying to defend the game, but not 1 of them will have a concrete reason, infact the people that say they love it are in denial.

What does the game have that's better than FF11? Hmm graphics and possibly the crafting system.

What does ff11 have that ff14 doesn't?

Hmmm lets put this in a list: A story line, enemies that are interesting to kill because they drop something besides garbage, Graphics that you can actually see from casting magic, good control-abilty of the chracter,NM's, Fun, things to do besides insanly boring leve's,, different looking zones, Better weapon stats (stats are so childish and so unfun.)
people in linkshells, people doing events and the list goes on and on and on..

This game took a serious step back and I cannot see it possible to turn this game around. The design would have to be completly done over. I have never played a new released game that was this bad, there is no defending this game, it is that bad. Not even in FF11 class.

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 12:06am by bigalohelper

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#2 Oct 10 2010 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
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How about you compare FFXI at release to FFXIV at release.

Don't even waste your time with the "SE has had 8 years to know how to do a MMO blah blah blah.." If they released everything right when the game came out there would be no incentive to keep people playing. Troll harder next time
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you'll probbably get rated down for singling out the people who actually like the game.

FFXI has a storyline, but from the start of ffxi they didn't even have Real missions, 5 nation rank quests, remember the shadowlord fight, yes! that was indeed the end of ffxi in the begining, no ROZ missions because it wasn't there there was no expansion, ranks 6-10 only appeared with the release of Rize of the Zilart, level cap was 50 (as with this) and zones only reached as far as jeuno, (not even crawlers nest, garliage citadel, eldieme necropolis exsisted or Qufim) people had to grind through as we are now in area's where now a days you wouldn't even dream of.

NM's are being implemented - http://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/event/prelive/report_en.html

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linkshells are to be improved also, they've got something planned on them too,
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#4bigalohelper, Posted: Oct 10 2010 at 10:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't care about what people believe is going to happen, but I can say this game will be a flop.
#5 Oct 10 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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bigalohelper wrote:
I don't care about what people believe is going to happen, but I can say this game will be a flop.
This would have be be a completely different game to be good. Not even these little improvements will turn this garbage around. Not one thing in the game excites anyone. 2 weeks after the game starts and 95 percent of the people are standing around doing nothing, just like what happened at the end of FF11.
Please stop trying to make yourself feel better that you had to buy a new computer for this game by defending this game. Call it what it is and get over the loss, it's trash!!
I regret buying a new computer as well, but I learned to let it go.


95% of the people have left their character online to sell items, in bazaars just like FFXI, in WOW, in Everquest..."long drone of mmo titles"

So what? you try to find another excuse to justify your hatred for the game, seeing as your orginal post was validated with my other post?

We're not enemies on these forums, we try to help each other, if you don't like the game, simply make your leave, you'll be doing yourself a great favour, not letting it wind you up, and you'd be helping those who like the game by not flaming forums with your anger, i understand you need to vent, but don't try to do it on a forum dedicated to the game. you'll end up more frustrated and angry, because not every one will agree.

just walk away
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#6 Oct 10 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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to anyone saying: "if they released everything people would quit too fast" or "its just the release"

HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE A PARTY OR LINKSHELL CHAT TAB?

We aren't asking for 5 million things to do, we are asking for the -BASICS- that all mmorpgs SHOULD HAVE FROM THE START. Like a easy way to communicate, a bazaar system without 3-5 second lag, an easier way to NPC items.

SE has no excuse for their mistakes. It isn't lack of content, its the inability to create a game that is fun and easy to play.
#7 Oct 10 2010 at 10:42 PM Rating: Decent
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This has been said. That is all.
#8 Oct 10 2010 at 10:43 PM Rating: Good
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Azurymber wrote:
to anyone saying: "if they released everything people would quit too fast" or "its just the release"

HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE A PARTY OR LINKSHELL CHAT TAB?

We aren't asking for 5 million things to do, we are asking for the -BASICS- that all mmorpgs SHOULD HAVE FROM THE START. Like a easy way to communicate, a bazaar system without 3-5 second lag, an easier way to NPC items.

SE has no excuse for their mistakes. It isn't lack of content, its the inability to create a game that is fun and easy to play.



wait wut? chat tabs? ffxi had them sure, but you had to fullscreen the chat window in order to use them, usually only good to skim through something you missed, but half the time it was all in 1 chat window as it is here.

don't understand what you mean with the NPC items sorry, its straight forward, choose sell, scroll through you list of items, click on it, get a second screen with how much its worth and if you need to sell more than one, then the confirmation to make sure you actually want to sell it.

Bazaar system, i'm asuming with your retainer? i think the lag is deffinatly server side with this one, everyone seems to have this problem, hopefully will be fixed soon

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 12:44am by RyderDecree
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#9 Oct 10 2010 at 10:55 PM Rating: Default
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You never played any newly released game that was this bad? You clearly did not play All Points Bulletin. Honestly people who think FFXIV will flop are just ridiculous. I mean just think about it. SE would have to go bankrupt for the game to get shut down. That will not happen no matter how much you want it to.
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You never played any newly released game that was this bad? You clearly did not play All Points Bulletin. Honestly people who think FFXIV will flop are just ridiculous. I mean just think about it. SE would have to go bankrupt for the game to get shut down. That will not happen no matter how much you want it to.


So... that's an extremely poor example you've cited there
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
Rockeed wrote:
You never played any newly released game that was this bad? You clearly did not play All Points Bulletin. Honestly people who think FFXIV will flop are just ridiculous. I mean just think about it. SE would have to go bankrupt for the game to get shut down. That will not happen no matter how much you want it to.


So... that's an extremely poor example you've cited there


Didn't that die due to money trouble even before the release?
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#12 Oct 10 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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RyderDecree wrote:
Archmage Callinon wrote:
Rockeed wrote:
You never played any newly released game that was this bad? You clearly did not play All Points Bulletin. Honestly people who think FFXIV will flop are just ridiculous. I mean just think about it. SE would have to go bankrupt for the game to get shut down. That will not happen no matter how much you want it to.


So... that's an extremely poor example you've cited there


Didn't that die due to money trouble even before the release?


No it folded three months into launch due to poor subscriber numbers
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#13 Oct 10 2010 at 11:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
RyderDecree wrote:
Archmage Callinon wrote:
Rockeed wrote:
You never played any newly released game that was this bad? You clearly did not play All Points Bulletin. Honestly people who think FFXIV will flop are just ridiculous. I mean just think about it. SE would have to go bankrupt for the game to get shut down. That will not happen no matter how much you want it to.


So... that's an extremely poor example you've cited there


Didn't that die due to money trouble even before the release?


No it folded three months into launch due to poor subscriber numbers


how unfortunate ; ;
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#14 Oct 10 2010 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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bigalohelper wrote:
I tried to make myself like this game, seeing how I loved previous FF games, but I just can't do it.

I know I will get totally rated down by a bunch of people trying to defend the game, but not 1 of them will have a concrete reason, infact the people that say they love it are in denial.

What does the game have that's better than FF11? Hmm graphics and possibly the crafting system.

What does ff11 have that ff14 doesn't?

Hmmm lets put this in a list: A story line, enemies that are interesting to kill because they drop something besides garbage, Graphics that you can actually see from casting magic, good control-abilty of the chracter,NM's, Fun, things to do besides insanly boring leve's,, different looking zones, Better weapon stats (stats are so childish and so unfun.)
people in linkshells, people doing events and the list goes on and on and on..

This game took a serious step back and I cannot see it possible to turn this game around. The design would have to be completly done over. I have never played a new released game that was this bad, there is no defending this game, it is that bad. Not even in FF11 class.

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 12:06am by bigalohelper


Yeah I wish they had maybe worked more on the storyline, it is kinda bleh right now for me in Ul'Dah, There are some problems to me in just the flow of the story and the interconnections between each part, like I swear after the first part at level 1 I have meet most of the people that I have been seeing. Then at level 10 I see them all again, and they are like dur who are you, then right after that, like 1 minute I am told to go help one of them and they are like "great to see you again and thanks from everything at <level one stuff>" I really think there is lead in the water in Ul'Dah and do not recommend it for drinking. Maybe I missed something but I feel like I was paying close attention and reading everything they said but idk, maybe I drank some of the water.

Most of the things I have seen so far in line with quests are the leves, which seem to be nothing but go here kill x of these. Someone told me that later ones would be more like normal quests, but I have not read that anyone; hopefully that is the case. Also I found a guy in the middle of no where to the east of Ul'Dah, he said there were monsters roaming around and he asked me to kill them, so another go here kill x of these. Honestly I wish there was some, go deliver this to this guy, then go do this and then go do that. The ones where they just have you running around doing nothing pretty much but you get a nice story to it. (Yes I know I ignore the other levels, I did crafting for 10 minutes and decided to go get a root canal instead)

Yeah the graphics for casting is kinda weak, but honestly that is not that important right now.

The controls are not that to bad, just annoying. I don't like using a controller, especially since I have a pc and have always used a mouse and keyboard. Some people have problems trying to attack new things, well you can just click them with the mouse and it selects them. I don't even use the tabbing because I would never make it to what I was trying to kill before it ripped my head off.

The NM thing really does bug me though, but it is not that important to the game really. I don't know if they are going to add free roaming NM later or keep them in leves/quests or wherever they said they were shoving them. But I really hope they do add the free roaming ones, I like the part where you can look at someone and know that they put in the time and effort to get a really hard to get item.

The zones really bore me, I am getting tired of killing the Colby things and the squirrels and the Dodos. Also I am tired of the desert and the same color and the same rocks and the just same everything. Tried Limsa area and that got old quick; I refuse to talk about the Gridania area and the Black Shroud area. That place is a pit of **** and I hate it. I really wish they had a lot of smaller areas that are different in both organization and plant/mobs.

The weapon stats I could care less about really, just keep hitting it, either you are it will die.

The linkshell stuff is fine so far with me, I talk they hear, they talk I hear.

The big thing that really kills me is the party system. That is the worst POS ever. Just rip the one from XI out and drop it in here. How bad is it to do a thing advertising you are looking for a party and then another one for searching for a person looking for a party.

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#15 Oct 10 2010 at 11:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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The whole, "Who are you, even though you just helped us" thing gets explained at rank 20 story mission. It's part of the story and confused me for a bit until the game explained why they kept forgetting me.

Anyhow, I'll keep playing because I know this game will be ironed out eventually. When they start adding all the awesome rank 50 content, the 11 unreleased classes, Ishgard, the first expasion, ect; I'll have all my grinding out of the way so I can really delve into it and enjoy the game. Thanks for the warning OP, although, we -all- know what we are getting ourselves into.
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The whole, "Who are you, even though you just helped us" thing gets explained at rank 20 story mission. It's part of the story and confused me for a bit until the game explained why they kept forgetting me.

Anyhow, I'll keep playing because I know this game will be ironed out eventually. When they start adding all the awesome rank 50 content, the 11 unreleased classes, Ishgard, the first expasion, ect; I'll have all my grinding out of the way so I can really delve into it and enjoy the game. Thanks for the warning OP, although, we -all- know what we are getting ourselves into.


I think the problem is the grinding for me, I hate just hitting enter, or sometimes hitting any number 1-0, over and over again. What I do to combat this is to play the game in window mode and then mode the game to one side and have the browser open on the other and read reddit while I mash 1 and occasionally hit heal. Then I run to the next mob and do it all over again haha. In XI I at least had to pay attention and would talk to people and just had a good time, now it is just meh. Hopefully it changes though.
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#17 Oct 11 2010 at 12:04 AM Rating: Decent
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look with the knowledge they have with the 8 years the put into XI this game should of been epic from the start not a step back. WHY!? "How about you compare FFXI at release to FFXIV at release". Why take perfection and turn it into crap? there is no excuse with their history of XI! You make the game epic from the get go and you just add more later to make it more epic!
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The inverse is also true. Comparing FFXIV to FFXI is actually a very similar comparison. Both are like driving down a road and in front of you is a really old person driving, who can't see very well, and is going 15 MPH under the speed limit. There is no option to pass them, and you continue to follow them to your destination, even though you cannot pass.

Everyone else in your vehicle is completely bored and unable to affect the outcome. You try changing the radio station, but it is the same old cookie cutter songs. People behind you are ****** off and beeping their horns at you, as if you could actually pass the old ****. Meanwhile, there are others following you that are in lala land and enjoying the experience of a slow moving tailgate party. The next day they will brag that they slayed a drake to their friends. The reality is that they were in line just like everyone else, and accomplished nothing, just like the rest of us.
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OP: I haven't played the game since release and I agree its brutal but you honestly think this game needs to be re-designed from the ground up to be better than XI? I doubt that. As much as I love FFXI, this game has the potential to make it a shadow of a game...FFXIV's base design is good, everything else is a mess. I don't need to list them, everyone knows them, and everyone also knows they're playing a paid beta and most people will be ok doing this. I'm willing to bet my arm and leg that this game will be a lot of fun in 6 months to a year, when everything is cleared up, an expansion is released, economy has matured, etc. etc. but unfortunately god only knows how many subs will have left by then and SE are stupid for even going down this route...they could've just released it next year and all would've been good. I'm pretty sure its a money thing now and now that they have it, they'll keep working on and improving the game, I just think its stupid decision making from a business pov and if they didn't have enough of a budget to put out a complete game maybe they shouldn't have created the game in the first place. I hope they get out of this slump because I still enjoy FF quite a bit but at the moment things aren't looking too bright, I'm so glad there's a lot of harsh criticism (and I was one of those that defended it to the grave during beta).
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FF11 was Terrible at release, So are basically all mmo's.
People arent for the most part even defending that the game is bad theyre just saying you're an idiot because F11 was the same at release.
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#21 Oct 11 2010 at 12:50 AM Rating: Default
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I can understand that this game was just released, but what does it say about a company that would put out a product like that? and a few other questions I have
-How where these critical problems in the game not fixed during the BETA?
-Can anyone see this game capable of entertaining us and surviving for as long as FF11?
****, they seemed like they dragged and dropped all the files for monsters and characters directly over. About as innovative as the latest FF11 releases that had no content and only brought in more profits.
-Does it even seem possible to enjoy the user interface with combat? (No-one will argue when I say that the FF11 controls are much much better).
-Has anyone ever seen a more cheesy gear screen? you cannot even compare new gear side by side in a window?
-Are are characters so retarded that they cannot do anything at all with thier weapons out? or are we so retarded that we cant heal a person unless he is 3 feet in front of you at an exact 90 degree angle? because if you arent you get cancelled.

Even before the release of the game Square-enix started selling gold online and they continue to claim they hate RMT's (but yet where the source of the sales in FF11). I have an Email printed out from a company that I had a conversation with 5 months ago. I asked the company how do they have gold before the game is even released without being part of Square-enix? the man told me they work directly for Square-enix as a partner.
This game cannot be compared to FF11 in any level possible, im amazed they titled it FF.

To everyone reading this, can anyone say this game is what they where hoping for? Can this game really replace FF11?

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#23 Oct 11 2010 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
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I know a game that was as amazing at release as it is today.... JENGA....realize!

#24 Oct 11 2010 at 5:33 AM Rating: Good
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People that love the game are in denial?

How about people that love the game understand how SE MMOs work.

How about people that love the game are more patient than you are.

How about people that love the game know how to focus on the parts that do work.

How about people that love the game know that it will get better.

How about people that love the game knew what they were getting.

How about people that love the game are playing it correctly.

How about people that love the game are sick of people like you complaining because you suck. Lol

How about dont post anymore on this forum until you have something original to complain about.

How about...... oh just sit down somewhere and craft.
#25 Oct 11 2010 at 5:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Cadant wrote:
How about you compare FFXI at release to FFXIV at release.

Don't even waste your time with the "SE has had 8 years to know how to do a MMO blah blah blah.." If they released everything right when the game came out there would be no incentive to keep people playing. Troll harder next time



Fanboi logic at it's finest,

FFXI was released in 2002, so why would you compare the release of a 2010 game to it.

Releasing an incomplete PoS and charging 80 dollars for it, is just their way to keep people playing? Wow, I'm not even going to bother with that one.


btw, weather you love the game or hate it, there's been no other major MMO release as poorly recieved as this one. There are no good reviews for it, the best review you can find on this game give it the same score as "Bullet Witch" and "FFX-2", half of the die hard SE fans hate it. You won't find another major game released in the past 10 years with the same ammount of negative feedback as FFXIV.

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Difference between bullet witch and ffx-2 and ffxiv is that those games if they are offline and incomplete there is no fixing it and the money you spent is lost forever.

Not the case with ffxiv. Its dynamic and eventually will be patched like a quilt.

I see your point but bad example.
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bigalohelper wrote:

Hmmm lets put this in a list: A story line, enemies that are interesting to kill because they drop something besides garbage, Graphics that you can actually see from casting magic, good control-abilty of the chracter,NM's, Fun, things to do besides insanly boring leve's,, different looking zones, Better weapon stats (stats are so childish and so unfun.)
people in linkshells, people doing events and the list goes on and on and on..



altho I agree that the game needs alot of work(UI and menus especially and WS/spell effects) your list is complete ********* you guys need to be more fair when your judging this game

i played FFXI when it came out in europe (CoP releasE)
- a story line: ffxi has 2 expansions out already and they were awesome but if you look at the ffxi story alone it was the same as it is now. you get 1 story quest like every 5 lvls and that was it. no leves no quests just grinding in the dunes till 20 then grind in qufim till 25 then grind in the jungle till 30 then grind in garliage citadel then crawlers nest etc etc grind grind grind till at least 50-60 till you can finish your rank 6 mission and start with the rise of the zilart storyline.

- enemies were not interesting to kill at all and they dropped ******* nothing at all. garbage and some crystals even less then these do. only nms dropped good **** and they were overcamped by gilsellers

- graphics on spells / weaponskills: agreed with those altho some are cool most are boring and animations are repeated. please work on this SE

- controlability of characters is fine for me. you just have to get used to the controls. ffxi controls were fken weird aswell. the targetting system fken blows though ill give you that.

- nms: coming soon apperently

- fun things to do: what was there to do in ffxi at start of NA/EU launch besides grinding and missions? honestly. it was the same as this but without the leves

- different looking zones: the zones they have do look different but they should have more variation in the zones themselfs theyre kinda boring and big now and its to copy pasted. hope this will be fixed in the future

- better weapon stats: i dont even know what you mean with this? whats childish about the stats?

- people in linkshells: everyone i see is in linkshells not really seeing your point.

- people doing fun events: what events? idk what you'Re talking about

honestly all the reviews and complaints seem to come from people that played WoW and not FFxi

this game feels like a just released graphical upgrade with a new story version of FFXI

things i dont like about it:

no moghouse :( makes me really sad

improved market system. doesnt have to be an AH but SOMETHING that makes it easy to find what you're looking for so you can actually sell/buy/trade your wares

battle regimen sucks! bring back skillchains! way better system
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bigalohelper wrote:

What does ff11 have that ff14 doesn't?

Hmmm lets put this in a list: A story line, enemies that are interesting to kill because they drop something besides garbage, Graphics that you can actually see from casting magic, good control-abilty of the chracter,NM's, Fun, things to do besides insanly boring leve's,, different looking zones, Better weapon stats (stats are so childish and so unfun.)
people in linkshells, people doing events and the list goes on and on and on..


Edited, Oct 11th 2010 12:06am by bigalohelper


A story line:
FFXIV has three mainstorylines.
enemies that are interesting to kill because they drop something besides garbage:
seeing you didn't know about the storyline I'm wondering, have you killed anything besides rabbits?
Graphics that you can actually see from casting magic:
you mean like gravity?
good control-abilty of the chracter: do you have motor problems?
NM's: it was posted they were to be implemented and that they'd take more than a screen of size.
Fun: I'm having it.
things to do besides insanly boring leve's:
if you dont like battle leves, field leves, faction leves and regional leves go do the main storyline and guild quests I guess.
different looking zones:
oh yeah, because the desert and the forest look the same.
Better weapon stats (stats are so childish and so unfun.):
this isn't a point.
people in linkshells: you are alone in a linkshell, aren't you? thats like buying a cellphone and asking the company to slip you in the numbers of a few contacts interested to be your friends. sad.
people doing events and the list goes on and on and on:
dumbass.

Did you even play the game? Sounds to me you just want to get the basher's approval.

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#31bialicki, Posted: Oct 11 2010 at 8:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well in any case the game is weak sauce... coming from a company that I use to believe was out standing... but i guess with the times and the high demand to simplify games because we all know gamers from the late 80's and early 90's are getting more hard core and the new gen of gamers are a bunch of whiny pre-teens who want everything easy... games generally suck, they are 85% eye candy and there is no actual game play. Basically what I'm saying is that companys are investing more time in making a game look good over actual well playability... games that actually had depth are almost no more these days. SE is still stuck in making games like Kingdom Hearts... not that they are bad games but they are more directed for the player who is casual over the player who is wanting an epic ride. FFXIV has potential and I'm hoping for the best... but the out look is not so good at the moment.
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Just stop feeding the troll, look at some of his responses, come on people..
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I said hi to a giant toad yesterday called a Nix. It looked at me...grunted...looked at me some more..and bap, shot out its tongue, reeled me in and swallowed me whole for 3500 damage.

There we no giant toads in FF11 that I can remember(especially at its initial release)...so I'm going to have to give the edge to FF14 for now. I'm looking at the small details at the moment and playing day to day. The world around me will fill in...eventually...and it will be fun watching it happen. Am I a Fanboy...who knows, sometimes. I not going to defend SE for releasing an unfinished/unpolished game...but I am going to give them time to right the ship.

This release is not for those with ADD...that's for sure. Patience is a must...
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#34MarketWards, Posted: Oct 11 2010 at 8:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) A story line: You mean those lame missions that move the story at a snail's pace and don't have a boss even by level 25?
#35 Oct 11 2010 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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I tried to make myself like this game, seeing how I loved previous FF games, but I just can't do it.

I know I will get totally rated down by a bunch of people trying to defend the game, but not 1 of them will have a concrete reason, infact the people that say they love it are in denial.

What does the game have that's better than FF11? Hmm graphics and possibly the crafting system.

What does ff11 have that ff14 doesn't?

Hmmm lets put this in a list: A story line, enemies that are interesting to kill because they drop something besides garbage, Graphics that you can actually see from casting magic, good control-abilty of the chracter,NM's, Fun, things to do besides insanly boring leve's,, different looking zones, Better weapon stats (stats are so childish and so unfun.)
people in linkshells, people doing events and the list goes on and on and on..

This game took a serious step back and I cannot see it possible to turn this game around. The design would have to be completly done over. I have never played a new released game that was this bad, there is no defending this game, it is that bad. Not even in FF11 class.

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That is an awfully bold claim that any of us who enjoy this game are in denial. Can you back it up... probably not... word of advice don't just go about crying wolf.


Actually your list of supposedly what FFXIV doesn't have... in all actuality does have.

-FFXIV does in fact have a story (Whether or not you enjoy it is up to you)
- I don't know about you but there are many interesting monsters to kill... everything from cute little ewes, to massive giant salamanders. I wouldn't say the items are useless most of them are used by crafters to make items. Also the game is new we are still trying to figure out what everything is used for.
- I see the effects of my spells when I cast them.
- Don't have a problem controlling my character... maybe you just need some more time (it is a tad of a learning process at first).
- Fun is up to opinion but I am having fun with the game... you can take it with a grain of salt I suppose everyone is different.
- NM may be release in the future, they weren't even in XI when it first came out
- There is a lot to do other than boring leves, explore, gather, grind in a party etc.
- For there not being different looking areas... I'm assuming you haven't left the starting area? That could be why you haven't seen anything different.
- What do you mean by better weapon stats? I have been noticing some good stats on weapons.
- There are linkshells in this game, and people in those linkshells as well, the one I'm in has around 40 people or so. Also we do event in my LS just to tie that last point in.

I hope that is enough concrete reasons for you.


#36 Oct 11 2010 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I think the single thing that disappoints me the most compared to ffxi is the way that they handled zones. In FFXI, ronfuare was awesome, as was gustaberg and sarutabaruta. There was variety in their layouts and some nice scenery (even in gustaberg). In FFXIV, we get these HUUUUUUUUUGE zones with nothing really in them and repeated layouts of basically just hills and ramps. Nothing seems like a landmark other than the camps (which only really differ by name, they all look the same). The Black Shroud is the worst of them all... how do you go from beautiful forest areas like ronfuare and zitah to this? Did the same teams do the zone design?
#37 Oct 11 2010 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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EternalIllusion wrote:
I think the single thing that disappoints me the most compared to ffxi is the way that they handled zones. In FFXI, ronfuare was awesome, as was gustaberg and sarutabaruta. There was variety in their layouts and some nice scenery (even in gustaberg). In FFXIV, we get these HUUUUUUUUUGE zones with nothing really in them and repeated layouts of basically just hills and ramps. Nothing seems like a landmark other than the camps (which only really differ by name, they all look the same). The Black Shroud is the worst of them all... how do you go from beautiful forest areas like ronfuare and zitah to this? Did the same teams do the zone design?



So true, sad that it's lacking in the same diversity as the other maps!
#38 Oct 11 2010 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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How about you compare FFXI at release to FFXIV at release.

Don't even waste your time with the "SE has had 8 years to know how to do a MMO blah blah blah.." If they released everything right when the game came out there would be no incentive to keep people playing. Troll harder next time



Dude get ******* real lmfao. So you're saying the best route for a mmo developer to go is to release an unfinished, bugged out, broken game to KEEP PLAYERS PLAYING? He is right...This aint SE's first mmorpg. There's no excuse for some of the most BASIC features in a mmo to either be missing, or sompletely BROKEN on a developers 2nd mmorpg. And having tons of Square Enix experience I can assure you, most of the issues wont get fixed for a year+. And according to you, they wont fix the issues in order to "keep people playing" lmfao. You're a complete and utter moron.
#39 Oct 11 2010 at 10:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think the majority of complaints are coming from expectation. Most of us were expecting them to build off of FFXI good features and make them better. I am enjoying the game, but at times get frustrated. I don't understand why they reinvented the wheel on some aspects when they could of improved what they had in FFXI.
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#41 Oct 11 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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-You don't see anything wrong with the weapon stats and the cheesy gear swap page with no options to compare gear window to window? So you're just one of those acceptors in life that take what is given to them and play no role in the forming or improvement of it.


Not to take away from your other points.

When you try to equip an item, any stats that goes down will be marked red. It doesn't tell you how much it has gone down (which is annoying) but you can glance and get a general ideal of what is lowered and what is raised.
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#42 Oct 11 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just found another person in life who seems to disagree just for attention.

-You see graphics from casting your magic spells besides maybe a .3 second color flash? because no matter what computer I look at this game on it's still the same, Don't be a liar.

-You don't see anything wrong with the weapon stats and the cheesy gear swap page with no options to compare gear window to window? So you're just one of those acceptors in life that take what is given to them and play no role in the forming or improvement of it.

-Lol, there are all kinds of leve's to do ha? why didn't they just call this game "The leve's" and save FF face then.

-I just ask that people who defend this game or the companies direction become honest with themselves first.

-I ask anyone who spend 2k on new rigs and subscribed to a more expensive internet service if they feel like they are happy with the game, was it worth spending 2k on? Do you come home from work/school and get right online excited to play FF14 leves?

-Doesn't anyone notice that most of the Blogs are converting over to how bad the game is? look, sometimes the first 2 pages are filled with negative comments on this game.



Hum... this is well interesting to say the least. Where to began, well not only was your original post boorish and rude it insulted many people on this forum. Now I like to debate, have my whole life. But that DOES NOT mean I do it for attention and how very naive and childish of you to assume that of me. One thing I like about the zam community is that many of us have different ideas and values, yet we can have a friendly jest of words debating this and that. Not only that but the vast majority of members place well thought out and written post to convey their message. You on the other hand... well to say the least you have the civility of a bull in a china shop. To be quite frank your a troll just looking for attention... I shouldn't even be written back to fuel your ****** little mind. But I feel the need to up hold my honor even though it's though the internet. Bigalohelper if you wish to continue this send me a PM, lets not clutter the forum. Also I gladly await your response.

But to maintain somewhat on topic and to not derail the thread to majorly.
- I am not a liar, since you just stated that you also see the magic action. In XI the actions didn't last that long either so really I don't know how to make you happy on this one. I'm sure that at higher levels that actions will seem more "epic" than the starting spells right now. It makes perfect sense that a new mage can't call upon the heavens to throw an apocalyptic storm of hail at an enemy. They are new and have only basic spells to use.
- But really it is not that difficult to compare stats. You can open the gear in your inventory and see what stats it has before equipping. I don't think it is cheesy at all and although the UI is still laggy, I am happy that SE has expanded their equipment slots and allowed us more variety when equipping gear.
- Well that's very astute of you to notice there are a lot of leves. But there is also much more to this game than just leve. Personally myself I am content with exploring and finding all the hidden nooks and crannies while leveling my botanist. Or just getting together with some friends and grind on mobs.
- About people who defend this game, what do you mean by you want them to be honest. Cause I am being honest with myself. I enjoy this game, I understand there are many problems and I can live with them. They will most likely get fixed in the near future. I also understand many people are upset including you. Really I think you need to be honest with yourself as to why you can't see that someone else may have another different idea than you.
- Yes I notice that vast mass of bad reviews, quit threads, and the I hate this game. But does that mean I can't enjoy this game because the vast majority doesn't. No I'm free to enjoy whatever I want unless in the last few hours we have been taken over by a dictator and have no rights anymore.
#43 Oct 11 2010 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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People that love the game are in denial?
It does seem that way. Although I have no right to tell them what's right or wrong.

How about people that love the game understand how SE MMOs work.
All two of them? And half that enjoyed the first dislike the second. I'm sure there's a small majority that likes 14 and not 11 too.

How about people that love the game are more patient than you are.
Definitely more patient than me. If I dislike a game I don't tend to wait for it to grow on me.

How about people that love the game know how to focus on the parts that do work.
But seem to brush the parts which don't under the carpet. It's that denial thing again.

How about people that love the game know that it will get better.
People that dislike the game also know it will get better. Afterall, it has flopped that badly so far that things can only get better.

How about people that love the game knew what they were getting.
This one I'm not sure how I should reply to it. It's a game teeming with problems, issues or negative situations (whichever term you wish to use) and yet, you're still willing to accept it? And pay for it?
I chucked my money at it and was incredibly disappointed. So I left. But I stayed on the forum looking for a small glimmer of hope which would pique my interest enough to get me playing again. It hasn't yet happened.


How about people that love the game are playing it correctly.
People that dislike the game can also play it correctly, within the limitations of bugs and flaws. Your playstyle has zero effect on how flawed the system is.

How about people that love the game are sick of people like you complaining because you suck. Lol
I'm also sick of people complaining when it lacks a good constructive argument. But I'm also pretty sick of people that are looking at this game through rose-tinted glasses. Final Fantasy as a brand is not enough alone to make this game good.

How about dont post anymore on this forum until you have something original to complain about.
This post wasn't even aimed at me. It's getting a bit personal now.

How about...... oh just sit down somewhere and craft.
You could, but it's such an over-complicated process that you'd end up paying a company £10 per month to frustrate yourself.

#44 Oct 11 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Crazyorc, you are known as what most people think of as a (Small talker) you have alot to write, but none of it adds up to anything of value. Also known as Blah Blah Blah Blah...
-The bottom line is this game was a dud and the people that sunk money into it are ****** off, including myself.
-None of us are responsible for the outcome of this game, so why defend it as like we are employee's and competing business's. Just because SE has made a good game in the past does not gaurantee future games, just like we have seen here. Sometimes a so called upgrade isn't an upgrade at all. This game DOES not Justify the 70 dollars Collectors cost let alone the new computer cost. Infact I would be utterly suprised if the Game counsols would even be capable of running this game with any bit of enjoyment. The game already demands a high end machine to the end, but Im still trying to find out what the proccessing requirment is coming from, because it isnt the great content.
-You might try to hang on to the "I love this game" idea, but give it 2 more weeks of playing this discrace should turn your opinions.
PS.. please look at the last say, 100 post and try to to find anyone talking about how good it is. Maybe it's time for you to throw the white flag up and come aboard the reality train.

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Edited, Oct 11th 2010 3:46pm by bigalohelper
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It's just bizarre to me when people say "i love this game" and "This is a great game".

I mean, I know everyone has and opinion, and different strokes and all that but really? "Love" and "Great" when talking aobut this game?

I can understand, "I dont mind this game", and "this game might get good so i have faith"...But you really "love" the game. Thats like.......mental.

#46 Oct 11 2010 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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bigalohelper wrote:
Crazyorc, you are known as what most people think of as a (Small talker) you have alot to write, but none of it adds up to anything of value. Also known as Blah Blah Blah Blah...
-The bottom line is this game was a dud and the people that sunk money into it are ****** off, including myself.
-None of us are responsible for the outcome of this game, so why defend it as like we are employee's and competing business's. Just because SE has made a good game in the past does not gaurantee future games, just like we have seen here. Sometimes a so called upgrade isn't an upgrade at all. This game DOES not Justify the 70 dollars Collectors cost let alone the new computer cost. Infact I would be utterly suprised if the Game counsols would even be capable of running this game with any bit of enjoyment. The game already demands a high end machine to the end, but Im still trying to find out what the proccessing requirment is coming from, because it isnt the great content.
-You might try to hang on to the "I love this game" idea, but give it 2 more weeks of playing this discrace should turn you opinions.


I'll be sending you a PM, as I do not wish to debate why I am apparently a small talker in your mind and derail this thread. My point is that I am no so much defending this game as defending peoples rights to enjoy the game... which you have repeatedly attempted to go against in your previous posts. You continuously make these outrageous allegations that those us who enjoy this are some how telling ourselves a lie, that were are in denial; and those of us who do not share you similar thoughts are wrong. Not to mention several of the points your brought up about this game were poorly written and in some cases very inaccurate. In closing, I can say it is all in your right to be upset at this game especially after investing in a new rig... but do you really have to take it out on those of us who like this game?


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#47 Oct 11 2010 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
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I said hi to a giant toad yesterday called a Nix. It looked at me...grunted...looked at me some more..and bap, shot out its tongue, reeled me in and swallowed me whole for 3500 damage.

There we no giant toads in FF11 that I can remember(especially at its initial release)...so I'm going to have to give the edge to FF14 for now. I'm looking at the small details at the moment and playing day to day. The world around me will fill in...eventually...and it will be fun watching it happen. Am I a Fanboy...who knows, sometimes. I not going to defend SE for releasing an unfinished/unpolished game...but I am going to give them time to right the ship.

This release is not for those with ADD...that's for sure. Patience is a must...


No Giant Toad's in FF11? so what where the large things called in the expansion areas that stayed in the lakes? and we killed in the 70's?
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#48 Oct 11 2010 at 5:37 PM Rating: Default
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How about you compare FFXI at release to FFXIV at release.

Don't even waste your time with the "SE has had 8 years to know how to do a MMO blah blah blah.." If they released everything right when the game came out there would be no incentive to keep people playing. Troll harder next time


You have got to be kidding? What is the incentive to play even now? To craft? I've been crafting I sit there and watch TV while I hit the enter key when crafting. BORING I completely concur with the OP, and of the most things that he said: about the graphic animations for magic... THERE IS NONE, or hardly any. IT IS HORRIBLE!!
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#49 Oct 11 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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to anyone saying: "if they released everything people would quit too fast" or "its just the release"

HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE A PARTY OR LINKSHELL CHAT TAB?

We aren't asking for 5 million things to do, we are asking for the -BASICS- that all mmorpgs SHOULD HAVE FROM THE START. Like a easy way to communicate, a bazaar system without 3-5 second lag, an easier way to NPC items.

SE has no excuse for their mistakes. It isn't lack of content, its the inability to create a game that is fun and easy to play.


This too is spot on, I completely concur. I am just hoping beyond hope that it will get better.
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#50 Oct 11 2010 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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So I'm just going to drop a few noticeable things that I've read through most of this thread. Agree/disagree/whatever.

I enjoy the game. A group of friends and I went out and grinded on big *** crabs, humanoid type mobs, and big *** goats. We had a blast. This game shares a lot of similarities with FFXI, I'll agree with that. But, it is a different feel, a different flow. If you are a final fantasy player, fire, cure, etc. have carried over. But the system changes up. The stamina system is great. Tanking is very active. And the mix/match of the armory system enables amazing customization.

Avoiding wallotext

Now, I read somewhere: "I don't like pressing 1-0 to do abilities." I read this as: "I want to auto attack and afk."
This isn't wow. And even in wow, you have to press 1-0 and a great deal of other keys. Everquest, WoW, Guild Wars, FFXI. You had to press buttons. If you were going through the menus on FFXI instead of macro-ing things...well i mean that's your playstyle, but thats kind of like being a clicker in wow.

Next I think I read: "It takes too long to level" or something of that nature involving hating grinding. There is LITERALLY no FF game that you did not have to grind. This includes online and offline. Example time:
FF1: Grind to have higher level magic access on mages and higher HP because mobs did 1 shot you back in the day.
FF2: Grinding out Skill levels
FF3: Grinding out job levels <A lot like ffxi
FF4: Higher levels so you could cast cure on the last boss. :P
FF5: Job level grinding
And so on...

"No game was received this poorly"
Vanilla WoW was crap. Lack of quests, content, and evolving storyline. Phasing in WoTLK was the first thing that introduced a decent storyline because you wanted to know why **** was changing.

Final Fantasy has been the same game since FF1. Its a solid base and they evolve of it. It adheres to a certain group of people. And obviously that group is pretty big. Because the servers are always full of people. And I understand that it's not being received well. But the beauty of an MMO is that it can be patched, fixed, and completely altered.

For those of you who are ****** about having to rely on other players: It's an MMO. Multiplayer. If you want to solo. May I suggest a similar offline game. SE wants people to experience the game together. And if you didn't have a group of friends start the game with you. Make some friends online. Talk to people. Instead of hopping in the forums and saying "This game sucks" Go to the nearest camp and say hey (Experience Points) (Party) (Do you need it?) Usually people jump right in. There are plenty of things to grind on at lvl 10+ Seeing as soloing the first 10 is cake. It may teach you how to actually play your class as opposed to grinding solo to 50 and when some end game stuff comes out, you end up being the weak link. This is why most people in WoW are AWFUL. They quest out their levels, step into a raid or instance at 60, 70, 80. Whatever point in the game they played. And then they do 10% of the damage they should be putting out.

In short and closing,
The game has issues, they will be fixed. It's designed to grind, get over it or get off it. Make friends, it is a multiplayer game after all.

If not, there's always Hello Kitty Roller Rescue.
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Now, I read somewhere: "I don't like pressing 1-0 to do abilities." I read this as: "I want to auto attack and afk."


I personally hate having to hit the buttons over and over again for no reason. I hit attack once I want it to keep attacking and not make me constantly keep smashing buttons for no reason other to make it seem like you are doing something but in reality you are not.

If you auto-attack and go afk and die then that sucks for you. Right now I have the game in windowed mode and have it on the left side of my monitor and usually something on the right hand side to read just because it is so boring constantly grinding on the same thing over and over and over again with no change.
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