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#52 Oct 11 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Default
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FFXIII was horrible yes.

If you even attempt to defend that PoS I think you will lose all credibility with even the most hardcore fanbois.

FFX was the last great FF, FFXI was good for what it was but not great..

So when you look at it, SE hasn't made a great FF in like 10 years.


I think saying FFX is the last great FF is more damning than saying FF13 is good.

The last Great FF Game is 5, maybe 6. Everything after that is a shift from having awesome core game play and story to utterly crap story/characters for the sake of having pretty graphics.
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#53 Oct 11 2010 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
Naeo wrote:
http://www.ffxivblog.com/content.php/412-Precipitous-drop-in-SE-stock-price-XIV-to-be-blamed

things are seriously bad when a shareholder sells all of their stocks over the failed release of a game. If nothing else wakes up SE to their flop, maybe their money being threatened will.

here's hoping this forces their hand and fixes and patches come at a quicker rate.

Looking at Yahoo, or any other website that shows stock trends, the drop is all around the 7th, which that link above even indicates. While the shareholder is a rumor and no one knows for sure, the only thing that could force the price like that to drop would be someone with a ton of stock in the company.

That, and the bounce back would show that it wasn't a wide spread drop. So my hope may be dashed and SE may just think "oh well, we came back from it"

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 2:26am by Naeo



According to Bloomberg and Yahoo Finance there was no such drop at all. You can go to Yahoo Finance and check for yourself.

Volume for 2010/10/7 was 535000 shares. Actually a low volume for SE. The overall stock price went up around 100 points since 2010/09/16 and is sideways trading since then.

Why someone hates a game so much that he feels the need to spread rumours like this is beyond me.


Moderators please close this thread it serves no purpose.
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#54 Oct 11 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Default
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No one liked FFXII? I thought it was great fun, although I cared little for the characters.

And what's with Final Fantasy V or VI being the "last great FF games?" How many people even played them before VII or VIII? They weren't even available to me in the US on the PS until after at least VII.

And yeah, FFXIV won't break SE, but it sure as **** won't help it and I'm sure this screws up some revenue projections.
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#57 Oct 11 2010 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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yfaithfully wrote:
No one liked FFXII? I thought it was great fun, although I cared little for the characters.

And what's with Final Fantasy V or VI being the "last great FF games?" How many people even played them before VII or VIII? They weren't even available to me in the US on the PS until after at least VII.

And yeah, FFXIV won't break SE, but it sure as **** won't help it and I'm sure this screws up some revenue projections.

VI was available on the SNES as FF3 you dumbass.
#58 Oct 11 2010 at 11:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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yfaithfully wrote:
No one liked FFXII? I thought it was great fun, although I cared little for the characters.


I do think FFXII is a good game; I thought it was refreshing that they didn't stick a whiny/emo protagonist (see: Tidus, Cloud) in your face and focus the entire story around 'em. The story was focused more-so on Ashe than Vaan, and he played more of the role of a supporting character than anything else.






Edited, Oct 12th 2010 1:23am by ghosthacked
#59 Oct 11 2010 at 11:26 PM Rating: Default
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ghosthacked wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
No one liked FFXII? I thought it was great fun, although I cared little for the characters.


I do think FFXII is a good game; I thought it was refreshing that they didn't stick a whiny/emo protagonist (see: Tidus, Cloud) in your face and focus the entire story around 'em. The story was focused more-so on Ashe than Vaan, and he played more of the role of a supporting character than anything else.






Edited, Oct 12th 2010 1:23am by ghosthacked

Thats because he was thrown in near the end of development. Balthier or Bosch (dont remember which) was suppose to be the main, but the idiot management at square thought he was too manly to be a main character.

Edited, Oct 12th 2010 1:26am by SudoNemesis
#60 Oct 11 2010 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, this is on the Tokyo stock exchange...Does SE have shares in the Nasdaq or S&P 500? if not then I guess I won't be able to buy any...

With a huge company like SE, small fluctuations in the stock market aren't that big of a deal. Its good for small time investors like myself though, since the prices are sure to go back up and go up higher. Got to strike while the iron is hot!
#61 Oct 11 2010 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
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SideCH wrote:
Oh, this is on the Tokyo stock exchange...Does SE have shares in the Nasdaq or S&P 500? if not then I guess I won't be able to buy any...

With a huge company like SE, small fluctuations in the stock market aren't that big of a deal. Its good for small time investors like myself though, since the prices are sure to go back up and go up higher. Got to strike while the iron is hot!

you can buy on the tokyo stock exchange with any of the big investment banks.
#62 Oct 12 2010 at 12:56 AM Rating: Good
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And AOL/Time Warner's stock dropped when Lord of the Rings first came out in theaters... Your point?
#63 Oct 12 2010 at 1:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I doubt they spent hundreds of millions on this if they say they did then SE should be investigated for fraud.

No joke this game is so incomplete it makes me wonder what they have been supposidly doing for 5 years?
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#64 Oct 12 2010 at 3:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I doubt they spent hundreds of millions on this if they say they did then SE should be investigated for fraud.

No joke this game is so incomplete it makes me wonder what they have been supposidly doing for 5 years?


Not even counting software, hardware, and support, how much do you think it would cost to pay a development team for 5+ years?
#65 Oct 12 2010 at 3:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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The failed release of a mainstream MMO is very serious from a business standpoint. Hundreds of millions of dollars go into the making of a mainstream MMO.


I'm highly skeptical on this, too. In general, I'd be surprised if the development of XIV has exceeded 15 million across the board. Game budgets may be bloating for this console generation, but what we got is also a skeleton. Working on XI simultaneously, for however long they did, also skews the possible budget a bit, too.

Regardless of how much went into things, for 5 years of work, XIV is a travesty. Perhaps it more collectively resembles a little over a year.
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#66 Oct 12 2010 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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I'm highly skeptical on this, too. In general, I'd be surprised if the development of XIV has exceeded 15 million across the board. Game budgets may be bloating for this console generation, but what we got is also a skeleton. Working on XI simultaneously, for however long they did, also skews the possible budget a bit, too.

Regardless of how much went into things, for 5 years of work, XIV is a travesty. Perhaps it more collectively resembles a little over a year.


I'm not skeptical at all. With 13 and 14, I'd grant a good 80% of the development time was wasted on Crystal Tools. And it still turned out to be really terrible in comparison to other engines that they could have leased. That's a lot of time and a lot of money wasted. I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason that 13 and 14 are out now at all is due to higher ups demanded they stop ******** around and produce an actual game.

It's a modern Diakatana syndrome.
#67 Oct 12 2010 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't mean your basic level up gear in WoW. I meant your "you have to have this for your class at the endgame to be the best you can be" gear that gets nullified with every update.

I agree entirely that Bronze Hauby's scale way to well but if you actually compare, say a Bronze Scale Mail at rank 19 to a Hauby at rank 19, the proper level gear is better. Not by much unfortunately. Not to mention how cheap the Hauby is to make.

Even at endgame, except for legendaries, each class usually has 2-6 different "top tier" weapons depending on spec/gear choices in WoW. Here in FFXIV, you dont have that.

There is only one BiS weapon for each spec per class (healing/dps/tanking), per major content patch, at WoW's endgame (as has been the case since vanilla). Not 2-6.

That said, it's unfair that you compare FFXIV to that considering WoW has multiple specs that perform different roles, thus requiring different gear with different stats.

Even Blizzard realized this was a dumb idea, so they're removing stats like Armor Penetration and Spell Power on gear so that casters will use caster weapons, melee will use melee weapons, and ranged will use ranged weapons.

Even that is pretty much redundant due to the fact that 95% of the gear in WoW is completely useless, even for leveling. You never used greens outside of disenchanting because you'd have a much better blue equivalent from a quest or the random dungeon finder starting at level 15, whereas pretty much all the gear in FFXIV is useful to someone.
#68 Oct 12 2010 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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nevermind

Edited, Oct 12th 2010 12:28pm by KujaKoF
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#69 Oct 12 2010 at 9:13 PM Rating: Default
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KindjalFerrer, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
Naeo wrote:
http://www.ffxivblog.com/content.php/412-Precipitous-drop-in-SE-stock-price-XIV-to-be-blamed

things are seriously bad when a shareholder sells all of their stocks over the failed release of a game. If nothing else wakes up SE to their flop, maybe their money being threatened will.

here's hoping this forces their hand and fixes and patches come at a quicker rate.

Looking at Yahoo, or any other website that shows stock trends, the drop is all around the 7th, which that link above even indicates. While the shareholder is a rumor and no one knows for sure, the only thing that could force the price like that to drop would be someone with a ton of stock in the company.

That, and the bounce back would show that it wasn't a wide spread drop. So my hope may be dashed and SE may just think "oh well, we came back from it"

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 2:26am by Naeo



According to Bloomberg and Yahoo Finance there was no such drop at all. You can go to Yahoo Finance and check for yourself.

Volume for 2010/10/7 was 535000 shares. Actually a low volume for SE. The overall stock price went up around 100 points since 2010/09/16 and is sideways trading since then.

Why someone hates a game so much that he feels the need to spread rumours like this is beyond me.


Moderators please close this thread it serves no purpose.


The **** are you talking about, look up the stocks on yahoo, and look at the 7th of October, it dips right there. Yes, it bounces back, but the dip was there. the link was something i found, before i posted i made sure to look it up.

****, go look up Square Enix HLDGS right now, you'll see the drop on the 7th. which is what this entire thread was referencing.

Before you attempt to spout bullcrap, make sure you have your facts straight.

Now yes, i realize in the stock market things fluctuate, but it just amused me that it dipped as it did overnight



Edited, Oct 12th 2010 11:16pm by Naeo
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#70 Oct 12 2010 at 10:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's not totally fair to assume that the item count in WOW is the only one that's inflated - there's several items in FF14 which are palette swaps of other items with identical stats (even if the crafting system means they've got unique recipes, they're generally only unique in requiring a differently-dyed component). Nor is every item in FF14 necessarily useful - there are several pieces of rank 2-4 armor which aren't necessary for any purpose, given that newbies don't exactly have trouble getting up to rank 5 with nothing but starting gear and that you can just wear what you happen to have on when working on the low-level stuff (admittedly durability might be a real issue later on!)

But WOW was missing a lot of features at launch as well - Strat and Scholo were originally raid dungeons, right? A lot of the other stuff got dropped in later.

FF14's biggest problem in this regard is that WOW is polished to a fine sheen, and by comparison, the bar's just been raised for a lot of other games to follow. It's okay to say "hey, WOW wasn't this good when it launched," but you're not really competing with the WOW launch, you're competing with WOW now. And while it's okay to do some things differently than how WOW does them, the game does represent a significant store of knowledge of what works in an MMO, and if you're going to make a game without those features, you'd better have thought it through beforehand.
#71 Oct 12 2010 at 11:23 PM Rating: Good
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The failed release of a mainstream MMO is very serious from a business standpoint. Hundreds of millions of dollars go into the making of a mainstream MMO.


I'm highly skeptical on this, too. In general, I'd be surprised if the development of XIV has exceeded 15 million across the board. Game budgets may be bloating for this console generation, but what we got is also a skeleton. Working on XI simultaneously, for however long they did, also skews the possible budget a bit, too.

Regardless of how much went into things, for 5 years of work, XIV is a travesty. Perhaps it more collectively resembles a little over a year.


The development of Final Fantasy XI and the PlayOnline network service that power's Square's upcoming PlayStation 2 online RPG cost between 2 and 3 billion yen ($16-24 million).

So... FFXIV cost less to make?

Source:http://ps2.ign.com/articles/359/359081p1.html
#72 Oct 13 2010 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Naeo wrote:
and Scott Pilgrim was good, save the main actor, movie would have been much better if the tool of a main actor was replaced with someone that actually knows how to act.


Michael Cera did an excellent job portraying Scott Pilgrim from the original novels. He did a very solid performance that was different from his usual, "Awkward Geeky Virgin," he had going for him for the longest time. It might have not been what you envisioned Scott as, but not once did it hurt the fun factor of the movie.

Anyways, back on topic.

SE cares about money, this might help us in the updates, but it might not since it bounced back so quickly. Who knows.
#74 Oct 14 2010 at 3:19 AM Rating: Decent
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The **** are you talking about, look up the stocks on yahoo, and look at the 7th of October, it dips right there. Yes, it bounces back, but the dip was there. the link was something i found, before i posted i made sure to look it up.

****, go look up Square Enix HLDGS right now, you'll see the drop on the 7th. which is what this entire thread was referencing.

Before you attempt to spout bullcrap, make sure you have your facts straight.

Now yes, i realize in the stock market things fluctuate, but it just amused me that it dipped as it did overnight

Edited, Oct 12th 2010 11:16pm by Naeo



Please do enlighten me how this small drop with a trading volume of 535,000 shares equals 1% of the company or $26 million. There where days with higer volume and bigger drops than this all over the last few years.

The link you posted is wrong. End of story. Now please go troll some other forums.

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