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#1 Oct 11 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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To all of you Nvidia users, there is a new beta driver out for us to test out. I just downloaded and installed it but haven't had a chance to see if there is a performance increase in XIV yet.
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#2 Oct 11 2010 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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If anyone installs and sees a performance boost I would like to know as well.
#3 Oct 11 2010 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
I wonder if this finally fixes the screen tearing in windowed mode.
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#4 Oct 11 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I tried the 260 drivers like.. 2 or 3 days ago? It was obviously an older version of the 260 drivers.

I'm running 2x470 GTX in sli and it 'literaly' **** it's pants everywhere in my computer.. as literaly as a computer ******** itself can get I guess.

This is a video of what it did to my computer.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG8zFS5UYxw

I managed to actually get a game running and was getting missing texture and crazy texture artifacts everywhere. I also got extrememly poor framerate as compared to the 258 drivers out now.

I'll try there ones when I get home but I'm afraid to touch them.
#5 Oct 11 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Odd .. that's two beta releases in a row.. I suppose its possible..
#6 Oct 11 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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WOAH your computer did literally **** itself. splattered it everywhere

I see no mention off FFXIV in the highlights though so if they help anything at all it's not known to me

Doubtful it helps SLI at all
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installed it. my pc feels a bit laggier on loading times ... starting final tnasy now in window mode. lets see~


okay, seems it lowered the FPS. not sure though, but it seems choppy now. anyone else with me?
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#8 Oct 11 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Sounds like the results I was getting as well. What card are you using?
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gts 250 1gb xfx; if anyone could recommend me some drivers it'd be much appreciated.
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#10 Oct 11 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Nvidia driver page..

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

258.96 is going to be your best bet.
#11 Oct 11 2010 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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im currently using the 260.63 beta drivers, there working fine for me. pny geforce 465 gtx 1gb
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#12 Oct 11 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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superaga wrote:
I tried the 260 drivers like.. 2 or 3 days ago? It was obviously an older version of the 260 drivers.

I'm running 2x470 GTX in sli and it 'literaly' sh*t it's pants everywhere in my computer.. as literaly as a computer sh*tting itself can get I guess.

This is a video of what it did to my computer.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG8zFS5UYxw

I managed to actually get a game running and was getting missing texture and crazy texture artifacts everywhere. I also got extrememly poor framerate as compared to the 258 drivers out now.

I'll try there ones when I get home but I'm afraid to touch them.


Running SLI with the same cards... no issues other than I'd like to knock the fan speed down just slightly for noise purposes (I've got a fix that should do it as the temp to drop the fans to where I like them is only 4C away and the 2 parts from EVGA supposedly net between 5-7C drop total)
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#13 Oct 11 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, I am ninja'ing this thread..

I'm using 2X GeForce 9800 GTX+s and cannot get FFXIV to run in SLi mode at all.. Other games work in SLi, but my secondary card seems like its not even being used by FFXIV.
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these threads should help, SLI works fine for me, on an amd board without 'native' sli certification(x2 gtx 260s)

http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/10596-nvidia-sli-fix-25896-drivers/
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=60844&page=171
http://xdevs.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.30


Edited, Oct 11th 2010 5:04pm by ghosthacked
#15 Oct 12 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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FYI did some digging in the profile tool and SLI is properly fixed now in the driver itself. Which means if you do clean installs like I do, you don't have to re-tweak the 3d profiles any more

Here's what it's got, I haven't checked to see if the parameters are the same as before or not but the main reason it wasn't working was you had to add in ffxivgame.exe you no longer do.

If you're on an older driver and don't want to upgrade to a beta driver here is what you put into your 3d profile using Nvidias Profile tool (google it if you don't have it).

Profile "Final Fantasy XIV"
ShowOn GeForce
ProfileType Application
Executable "ffxivwin.exe"
Executable "ffxivgame.exe"
Executable "ffxivwinbenchmark.exe"
Setting ID_0x0095def9 = 0x00010000
Setting ID_0x1033cec1 = 0x00000003
Setting ID_0x1033ced1 = 0x00000003
Setting ID_0x1033dcd1 = 0x00000004
Setting ID_0x1033dcd2 = 0x00000004
Setting ID_0x1095def8 = 0x02c00005
Setting ID_0x10ecdb82 = 0x00000001
EndProfile
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#16 Oct 13 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok did some testing today with the drivers.

Outside of town my GPUs are running 85-92C (top) 68-87C (bottom) GPU usage is around 60-90% with the bottom card showing more usage.

In town, temps are in the 60's for both cards and usage is in the low 60% HOWEVER it stutters a bit in town now.

The big difference is that the graphics cards are showing less usage (or the driver changed the way they report) than they were beta-driver. Prior they were both running in the high 90%s outside of town and nearer 100% each in town with the temps from above in reverse (by area, though the lower card was running in the mid 70's in town).

In conclusion something changed with the drivers and possibly the stock SLI profile (only thing I did with the last driver was add the game.exe line no other changes). Whatever this change is slightly lowers performance in town (slight choppiness) but drastically lowers the GPU usage and temps. Outside of town usage is decreased a huge amount as well, but for some reason temps are slightly higher. No visual differences out of town.

I tested using SLI GTX 470s, on my board in the tested configuration they are right on top of each other. Before the last beta driver (or the current WHQL) I had separated the cards just to quiet them down a bit. However I'm only comparing with the last Beta driver and cards in same config as todays test. (Cards separated and running 16x8x netted both cards running in the mid to high 60's and never exceeding the mid 80's. While there's not much difference between 8x and 16x PCIe, I paid for 16x16x with my rig and I'd like to use it so I'll run slightly warmer)

*EDIT* Ok somethings definately odd. I wouldn't think it's MSI Afterburner as it's been reporting temps accurately the entire time I've had it. Right now though sitting in a corner in town, top GPU is 61C @ 78% usage and the bottoen GPU is 68C @ 51%, the thing that can't be right is the top card in an air cooled SLI setup should ALWAYS be hotter. The only thing I can conclude is the Beta driver conflicts with MSI's temprature reporting... But that shouldn't be possible, any way until I get this figured out take my above observations with a grain of salt.

*EDIT2* Ok with further testing by teleporting to a few Camps and running in circles followed by teleporting back to town and doing the same, I have concluded that it has to be something with the drivers. Using multiple GPU temp reading devices my cards are indeed flipflopping in town. It's very odd and doesn't seem physically possible, as we all know heat rises AND the more active GPU should be running warmer as well. I normally run with my fans on Auto and they run in the mid 50% area (it's when they get to 75%+ that I'm not a fan of the noise). On a final test I forced the cards to 30% fan speed in town and finally the top GPU regained it's higher temp compared to the lower card. To me that proves that the temps are correct and the programs are all reading properly. What it doesn't tell me is what changed and how. Oh well.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 7:36pm by PerrinofSylph
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#17 Oct 13 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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With the newest SLI profile, my cards run the same % and the same temp all the time.

In SLI they both run at 60-70 degrees Celsius (depending if I leave the auto fan on or turn it to manual 100% fan) and the work load is always even; usually around 30-50% (running one card with SLI off its constantly 99-100%).



Edited, Oct 13th 2010 3:25pm by Twolow24
#18 Oct 14 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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I am new to sli, do i want my top card plugged into the monitors I am running? also, i have two monitors, does sli work well with two monitors? I want the best gpu performance, I have toggled different drivers, but my two 470gtx's don't seem to be giving me the power i'd expect.

Does two monitors interfere with sli? do i want to "dedicate" anything to physx? and do I want my top card or bottom card plugged in? - currently both monitors are in top card. anyone know more than I, i'd appreciate it.

-12 gigs ddr3 ram, 3.2 ghz, two gtx sli 470's, win 7 64 bit, non-ssd drive (coming).

thank you so much!

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#19 Oct 14 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know about two monitors, but yes you generally want your monitor in the card closest to the GPU. For physics, let it auto decide. I'm guessing you want both displays plugged into the top card. Check out nvidias forums though for concrete answers.

Also, depending on your resolution 470's, even in SLI struggle with XIV in fullscreen if you have everything on max.
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#20 Oct 14 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I have my main monitor in the top card and secondary monitor in bottom card and yes you can run two monitors with sli. It sends physics processing to the card running the secondary monitor as it's just idling otherwise.
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Back when I had cross fire, the bottom card become completely devoted to processing. You have to connect both monitors to the top card.

It seems NVidia is more flexible in that regard.
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#22 Oct 14 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I got about a 20 FPS boost when enabling SLI after installing the 260.89 beta drivers with the "clean installation" option, as I had been messing with my older profiles. At 1920x1200 at 4xMSAA and all settings high (no AO or Depth of Field though), I went from 23 fps average to 44. This was in average-busy areas outside of town. Still about 20 in ultra busy in town areas.
#23 Oct 14 2010 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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JamesX wrote:
Back when I had cross fire, the bottom card become completely devoted to processing. You have to connect both monitors to the top card.

It seems NVidia is more flexible in that regard.


I just checked Nvidias website after reading this thread and it says that optimal dual monitor use is achieved by both monitors into the same card. According to some folks on the thread I read that if you have multi monitors plugged into separate GPU's it may disable SLI.

The second sentance I got from a thread on the SLI forums found by google, so take it for what it's worth. The first bit is straight from Nvidia.
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#24 Oct 14 2010 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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thank you for all your feedback, still working on it ; ;

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#25 Oct 14 2010 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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The beta patch sped up my 9500 gt card quite a bit in ffxiv. Yes I know the 9500 gt is not suppose to be able to handle the game but it plays it very well on low settings. I've also noticed that if you put the shadow on lowest it is tricking up some of the cards and actually putting out more shadows. Standard and Low seems to work best.
#26 Oct 14 2010 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
Perrino, quick question. Do you play in windowed or fullscreen mode with these drivers? Last beta drivers I had issue with them not kicking SLI on when in windowed mode.
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#27 Oct 14 2010 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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If you look under Compatibility With Games , FFXIV is listed as "Not Recommended". I reinstalled previous drivers. This is really disappointing.
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#28 Oct 14 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Bainrow wrote:
If you look under Compatibility With Games , FFXIV is listed as "Not Recommended". I reinstalled previous drivers. This is really disappointing.


That's kinda sad that even video cards are "not recommending" FFXIV.

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Pagansaint wrote:
Bainrow wrote:
If you look under Compatibility With Games , FFXIV is listed as "Not Recommended". I reinstalled previous drivers. This is really disappointing.


That's kinda sad that even video cards are "not recommending" FFXIV.

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#30 Oct 15 2010 at 1:39 AM Rating: Decent
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The game does seem to be running alot smoother with the beta drivers. I have a GTS450 myself. I need to buy that extra 2GB of RAM though... anyone have 2GB of DDR2RAM I could have? lol

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#31 Oct 15 2010 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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i seem to get a lot more screen tearing in limsa and uldah areas with the beta drivers. and even more so again in windower mode. so stumped as to why my rig has so many problems and is a higher end comp.

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Edited, Oct 15th 2010 5:29pm by SkyeAyatari
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I just tried the Beta driver this morning on my GTX480. It seems to run the same. I notice no significant difference when I ran around Limsa for 20-30 min.

I was really hoping 3-D Vision would work with FFXI - unfortunately I don't think that is possible :(
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#33 Oct 15 2010 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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OniElvaan the Eccentric wrote:
Perrino, quick question. Do you play in windowed or fullscreen mode with these drivers? Last beta drivers I had issue with them not kicking SLI on when in windowed mode.


All of my recorded testing is done via windowed mode at 1600x1080. I love the game in full screen (1920x1200), but then I have to turn down the candy a bit (only because of the fan noise, a few weeks more until I get my toys in to counter that).

SkyeAyatari wrote:
i seem to get a lot more screen tearing in limsa and uldah areas with the beta drivers. and even more so again in windower mode. so stumped as to why my rig has so many problems and is a higher end comp.

~Skye


Do you have a 470 by chance? Most of the beta drivers seem to be targeted at the 450,460, and 480. They've lessened the direct support to 465 and 470 owners (IMO I can understand as the 465 didn't make sense in the first place, but the 470 was the #2 premium option... Oh well, I went with the similar option with my 640mb 8800 GTSs right before the more popular 520's came out, and those have lasted me quite a long time faithfully)

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 9:51pm by PerrinofSylph
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#34 Oct 15 2010 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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GTX 460 1Gb here.

It does seem a bit smoother in town, although I didn't notice any big changes in fps. Could just be placebo, not completely sure.
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