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#1 Oct 11 2010 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
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http://pc.ign.com/articles/112/1123824p1.html - IGN
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/square-enix-next-gen-mmorpg/1127142p1.html - Gamespy

For the TL;DR crowd:

IGN - 5.5 (Mediocre - can't recommend)
Gamespy 2/5 - HAAAAAAAAAATES IT

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 9:59pm by hexaemeron
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#2 Oct 11 2010 at 8:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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SE saying not to review their game just sounds more and more futile.
#3 Oct 11 2010 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Pikko wrote:
SE saying not to review their game just sounds more and more futile.


They deserve nothing less. You don't ask for people's hard-earned money, in a global recession no less, and then not stand by your work. If the work was so bad, don't release it. I really hope this whole embarrassing debacle leads to a regime change and a paradigm shift in their business as usual model. They desperately need both.
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#4 Oct 11 2010 at 8:09 PM Rating: Default
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It is just such a typical arrogant SE move to ask no one to review the game till atleast a month after release.
#5 Oct 11 2010 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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#6 Oct 11 2010 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
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Is it wrong that these low scores make me feel so good?

I've done nothing but obsess about this game over the past year. Burned money upgrading my computer and buying a CE that had nothing worthwhile included.

What a waste of time and resources. This game and SE deserve this ****. I hope they fire the managers responsible for this (especially Tanaka).
#7 Oct 11 2010 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Pikko wrote:
SE saying not to review their game just sounds more and more futile.


That's on par with the nerds asking the jocks not to kick the crap out of them.
#8 Oct 11 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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add to that the 4 it got previously... seriously, if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck it should be a duck, if 3 well know sites already gave low scores, what is SE waiting to fix it faster, does SE understands that the bad reviews will scare potential customers for the PS3 release? already some have left (like myself) hoping for the upcoming updates, others will leave at the end of the free month, many more will not tolerate to pay for a game with so many flaws for too long, many around these forums are just in denial and will soon realize they were forcing themselves to like the game, the few that actually enjoy the game will not be enough to support it.
And don't bring that "go back to WoW" I have been a hardcore fan of the FF series since FF I, I have all the games and consoles to play them, all the movies, even I have ordered some cool stuff from Japan, but not because I love the series means I have to support a bad job like this (and 13 and 12); at this moment I'm playing LOTR and just in case you haven't noticed, FFXIV is pretty much a copy of the other MMO's just with fancy graphics, those MMO's many of you hate with all your heart, solo missions? just go to LOTR and see all the "guildleve like" quests you can find, but those actually have a story and you end up killing mobs the same way, but with a boss battle at the end, btw, the tutorial to learn the controls of the game is great.... crafting? same, and need to find out recipes and look for your "guild" etc etc, you can equip skills (or spells) the same way, using the keys 1,2,3,etc etc, I'm still having a hard time with the inventory, I just don't like it. If you don't believe me, go and play is for free and you can download it from the site.

But anyway, I hope SE does something quick related to the game or it will just be one more, not one of the greatest MMO's, just one more... I hope I can comeback in the near future and say I was wrong.
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#9 Oct 11 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
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Gamespy:

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Not quite Star Trek Online bad.

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Worst user interface in a PC game since 1998; every aspect of game unnecessarily convoluted; feels like a free-to-play MMO in the very worst way.


Wow, ouch. I can't really say I don't disagree with them, though. If there's one thing that SE should have copied from WoW it would have been its interface.
#10 Oct 11 2010 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Grind crafting, grind monsters, grind menus, grind patience, and finally, grind the logout button.


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#11 Oct 11 2010 at 8:33 PM Rating: Decent
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lol


Yeah, that was classic lol.
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#12 Oct 11 2010 at 8:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Pikko wrote:
SE saying not to review their game just sounds more and more futile.


Well, they tend to ignore their customer's wishes quite well. It's entertaining to see the situation flipped on the other side.

Dissatisfied Players: We don't like the way the game is coming out...
Square-Enix: It's working as intended.

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Dissatisfied Reviewers: It's working as intended.

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#13 Oct 11 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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UltKnightGrover wrote:
Pikko wrote:
SE saying not to review their game just sounds more and more futile.


Well, they tend to ignore their customer's wishes quite well. It's entertaining to see the situation flipped on the other side.


1,000,000+ this.
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Pikko - is there some kind of agreement whereby ZAM cannot review the game? If so, I think that's just wrong. If I were ZAM, I would not continue being shunned by SE with some of the forceful ways in which they've done things lately.

I mean, this just infuriates me. If it wasn't for my good friend who I convinced all summer to get a pc and play this game, I would quit right now. It really seems like they were trying to cover up their sloppy products. Well, too bad, every reviewing site is oblitterating them into oblivion. Where they belong right now.



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#15 Oct 11 2010 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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I thought IGN was being generous with that score...
#16 Oct 11 2010 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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hexaemeron wrote:
Pikko wrote:
SE saying not to review their game just sounds more and more futile.


They deserve nothing less. You don't ask for people's hard-earned money, in a global recession no less, and then not stand by your work. If the work was so bad, don't release it. I really hope this whole embarrassing debacle leads to a regime change and a paradigm shift in their business as usual model. They desperately need both.


I don't know why all I could think of was FFXIII... SE business staff paradigm shift to successful business model..... Disgruntled FFXIV players Critically hit SE business staff for 10,000 damage... SE business staff has been knocked out.
#17 Oct 11 2010 at 8:58 PM Rating: Good
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Pikko wrote:
SE saying not to review their game just sounds more and more futile.


You know when I think about it, the only reason I could come up with why they didn't want
any reviews for a month is because isn't the first month of a games release when most of the sales will happen?

I just have this feeling they knew it would get hammered and released it anyways in hopes
of getting big # of sales.
#18 Oct 11 2010 at 9:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not even sure they actually did send out a please don't review message. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it only reported on one less than reputable site? I've been told by a game reviewer that his site was never given such an order.
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#19 Oct 11 2010 at 9:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is it wrong that these low scores make me feel so good?

I've done nothing but obsess about this game over the past year. Burned money upgrading my computer and buying a CE that had nothing worthwhile included.

What a waste of time and resources. This game and SE deserve this sh*t. I hope they fire the managers responsible for this (especially Tanaka).


This, exactly this. I'm only holding out because I dropped so much money on this game and a second computer. I'm optimistic that it will get much, much better, but there really is no excuse for where the game is right now. I'm literally sitting here right now, it front of both of my monitors - one with XI going and one with XIV going. I've been afk at the Aetheryte for about an hour now because I'm doing Magian Trials in XI. Yes, I'm choosing to do mind-numbingly boring Magian Trials instead of playing XIV. That is sad!

I'm a huge FF fanboy but there's only so much crap you can overlook. SE needs to get taken down a peg - to see that they're not an all-powerful, infallible entity that can do no wrong - and that's exactly what's happening. I just hope they wake up soon and get on some of this stuff.

The "don't review our game yet" thing is hilarious on so many levels too. Don't want it reviewed? Don't release it. It's that simple! I'd love to get a job at SE and walk in on my first day like "Hey, I'm the new guy, but you're not allowed to fire me for like a year if I mess up, ok?" and then knock over the water cooler and **** on Debra's desk.
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#20 Oct 11 2010 at 9:31 PM Rating: Default
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Can SE release FFXIII Versus to save the fans lol.
#21 Oct 11 2010 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I see glimmers of goodness here: The horizontal leveling system that allows on-the-fly class switching via weapon swaps is a fantastic idea, and the concept of a player-driven economy (based on complex interactions between the various crafting professions) sounds great on paper. I'm sure that -- given a year of nonstop patching -- FFXIV will probably be out of beta and acceptably functional. But, barring a complete overhaul of the user interface, the combat, the player interaction mechanics, the progress system, and of the layout of the world itself, FFXIV is unlikely to ever be fun.


I hate to say it but this is the likely reality of this game. I just hope they learn from this one.
#22 Oct 12 2010 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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SE saying not to review their game just sounds more and more futile.


They should of either changed it to please don't review our game EVER or thrown some money around to bribe better scores. As it is they got a few weeks review free time to get some undeserved money from people, if there was any justice at all we should be able to get our money back on this pos.
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#23 Oct 12 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Carbi wrote:
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Grind crafting, grind monsters, grind menus, grind patience, and finally, grind the logout button.


lol


Yeah, that was classic lol.



That's gangster right there lol
#24 Oct 12 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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KnocturnalOne wrote:
is there some kind of agreement whereby ZAM cannot review the game? If so, I think that's just wrong. If I were ZAM, I would not continue being shunned by SE with some of the forceful ways in which they've done things lately.


Why would Zam staff publish an actual critique of the game? They have some impressions posted up allready on the site.

-- Edit: Also, many companies will ask magazines and websites to wiythold reviews of games that are in early life. The publications are under no obligation to agree to this, unless it is a signed agreement that places an emargo on reviews.

The game is on shelves, and every outlet has the right to review it, no matter how whiny and anti-FFXIV they were before even playing the game. Trust me, there are plenty of press who had the knives out for this before it started. The fact that the game is lacklustre gave them a day pass to the SE Sucks Festival.

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#25 Oct 12 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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and buying a CE that had nothing worthwhile included.


I thought this at first...then I discovered the box for the CE makes a good mouse pad while I'm sitting on my couch playing Age of Conan, which I decided to re-sub to instead of finishing my "free" 30 days in XIV.
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Thunderblaze's review of FFXIV: FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Probably holds true for all future Squeenix games. They have simply lost their ability to keep up with the industry.

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#27 Oct 12 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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I would have to agree with everyone on everything they have to say lol. as a business man myself i would have to admit that whoever decided to release this game should be 100% fired. This game stills feels like the beta and nothing more. i am actually, in alot of ways pretty ****** i still waste my time on this game. but something keeps telling me to play more. i dont know what it is, maybe its false hope lol. but of all the bad does come one good, the visuals in this game is unmatched by any mmo i have had the chance to play. but visuals isnt enough to keep people playing. people want a game that is for one "easy", and for another playable. but hey who knows... even some of the best things in life start off absolutely crappy... and in the end turn out to be the best thing ever. everything takes time to build, wether it be a sports team or a business... nothing ever starts off perfect. as a matter of fact its far from it. i just think expectations get high at times, and thats completely normal. but some people need to just relax and let things unfold. sucks to swallow it, but ill continue to be patient. maybe SE will proove me wrong.

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#28 Oct 12 2010 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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It is just such a typical arrogant SE move to ask no one to review the game till atleast a month after release.


What's funny about that is it will soon be a month and what has changed exactly????
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#30 Oct 12 2010 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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something keeps telling me to play more. i dont know what it is, maybe its false hope lol


Amazes me people have blind faith in a company that messed up this bad, they made a horrible horrible mess of the game at release, to the point of utter incompetence and people still think they know what they are doing? They will just make more stupid mistakes and additions when they try to fix things.

Incompetence doesnt leave after release, it's still the same people working on the updates that made this horrible game you know? They don't automatically get "in the zone" and start creating awesome, if they made a crap game they will make crap updates and anyway they won't do full re-writes now. They don't even have any communication with the playerbase which is the ultimate kick in the nuts, most of this stuff could of been fixed from beta if they LISTENED and communicated back.

If you paid someone to build you a house and they built all the foundations wrong, seemed to have no idea wtf they were doing, then ignored you completely except when it's time to be paid.. would you carry on paying them in hopes they would get better and finish your house in pristene condition or call them the retards they are and get someone else?
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The game has potential but thats all it has right now. Thats not enough for people to shell out the cash they had for upgrades to their computer and the software it self.

I've defended this game during beta up till now. But really where is the game going? I'm phys 28 Mur 22 carp 7 bsm 10 miner 12.

Doing all that was fun but it hasn't taken me much anywhere in the game. Through exploration I've found some cool areas and dungeons. But, can I do anything in those... No because the enemies are either to hard or I can't gather there yet.

Has anyone fought a real boss monster yet other than behest? The game has no sense of purpose no goal other than to grind. But what are we grinding toward? They really need to focus on drawing in players from the start. It seems that they're following a lot of same guide lines FFXI had during it's inception where you had to be around lvl 30 before any interesting stuff happened.

The model needs to change they really need to SHOW their user base they're listening and want to keep them. I remember a few years back when playing XI I finally got to 60 and got all my AF gear. Then I discovered thats when the game actually got more difficult. I canceled and went to "gasp" WoW(this is when is just released). I really liked WoW back then and I still feel it's a good game.


However, I dropped WoW and came back to XI. Not because of the game really. SE was still lazy with it's RMT problems prices were through the roof genki was just plain stupid to me. I came back because outside of the problems one thing I loved in XI was the party system. When you could actually get a good party together it just felt epic. You're group would work as a team and get stuff done.

I feel XIV will be that way too but, I was expecting it to be closer to that from the start rather than later. SE seems to have a issue from learning from it's mistakes. But that what the issue is. SE might feel they don't make mistakes.



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My only wish is that I never spent the money on a new PC for this game. I now see what a huge waste it was. By the time this game is developed to a state of enjoyment it will be out on PS3 anyway. I think we will have much more information this week about how slow and painful the healing process will be for this game. If SE does not release a major patch with a serious amount of fixes, then I honestly feel that this situation will turn quite serious.
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Sparkytenks, you hit the nail on the head. Honestly I hope they turn it around, but it seems so late now.

I'm sitting here wondering why SE hasn't made a statement yet. With Cataclysm around the corner, SWTOR scheduled sometime in the first half of next year and SE's fantastic track record (Notorious billing issues, 18-hour PW and more~) XIV doesn't stand a chance of attracting new players. It would have been soo much better to say, let's wait, learn from their mistakes and make a killer game that will attract those who have become even slightly bored by the end of next year. Even Aion dragged out their release for 2+ years after being announced.

I think this is the first time that I have ever heard gamers say that an MMO shouldn't have even been released. Not that it sucks, but that it shouldn't have even hit store shelves. There had to be something political going on behind the scenes because I don't think any of the devs would be happy playing this game in it's current state.

Truly Epic Fail..


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#34 Oct 12 2010 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
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KristoFurwalken wrote:


"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever"

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Speaking of which a Zelda based MMO on the Wii designed by Miyamoto might actually end human civilization.
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I'm sitting here wondering why SE hasn't made a statement yet. With Cataclysm around the corner, SWTOR scheduled sometime in the first half of next year and SE's fantastic track record (Notorious billing issues, 18-hour PW and more~)


Don't forget random unwarranted bannings.

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I thought this at first...then I discovered the box for the CE makes a good mouse pad while I'm sitting on my couch playing Age of Conan, which I decided to re-sub to instead of finishing my "free" 30 days in XIV.


ew you got the short end of the stick still.
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