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#1 Oct 12 2010 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not looking for the obvious answer (which is, "Just keep playing FFXI") because I do in fact want something new.

Not that I'm giving up on FFXIV completely (like I probably should), but I have come around to the idea of at least reviewing some other games that I might consider trying out if this one doesn't get on track quickly (after all I have around $1000 into a PC upgrade that needs to be put to good use).

I'm not a huge gamer, but I did play ffxi for many years (it was my first and only mmo). The things I liked about it was that accomplishments took a lot of dedication (generally) and that there were a lot of paths you could take in the game.

I also would like a game that is not that old so that I'm not the only new person on the entire server and most newer games have better graphics than ffxi.

I noticed that Guild Wars 2 is coming out maybe next year, but that's a long time from now for a game that isn't guaranteed to be any good either. Also, it seems like too fast paced and chaotic for my taste. I think I like more of a slow, steady, deep type of game over lots of fast-paced explosions and glitz.

Maybe the game I'm looking for doesn't exist... but rather than spend countless hours on end reading all sorts of reviews and trying demos, I thought I might post here since most people seem to have tried multiple MMOs over the years.

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#2 Oct 12 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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I would suggest you give DDO a try. It is free to play, and it's pretty good. The focus is actually on the build of your character, there isnt a cookie cutter. The customization is even more deep than FFXIV. The endgame if fairly weak compaired to FFXI. They use a "dungeon" type system, that you use to do all of your leveling.
The combat system is pretty unique, and it's kind of an aquired taste really. But after awhile I really got used to it and enjoyed it. It is highly active for a combat system, probably the most active in any MMO ive played. It plays alot like a platformer really, you can JUMP!!, and climb walls. And Swim. The only real con with the game is the fact that it's all D&D nerds playing it :P. It is also compatable with a gamepad.

Theres also LOTR that is now free to play, and alot of people leaving FFXIV are saying thats what theyre trying, and they generally like it better. I havent tried it, on account of I hate Lord of the Rings. lol.

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oh the AH in DDO is pretty bad, no string search. BUT ATLEAST ITS AN AH AMIRITE!?!

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#3 Oct 12 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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I will read up on DDO and check it out.

What about Age of Conan? It looks kind of interesting, but how does it compare to FFXI? Also, has it been out too long to not feel left behind if I started it now?

#4 Oct 12 2010 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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Im kindda in the same boat ive messed with other MMO's but looking for something to play
since FFXIV turned out to be such a let down. I bought a new PC and trying to find an MMO I will love.
I like LOTRO but I cant get over the character models, they move terrible :X. Not a big deal but it
really urks me for some reason.

I just started playing EVE online and it seems pretty intriguing. Let me know what you come across thanks :)
#5 Oct 12 2010 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
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I'm actually in the same boat though i didn't plan to be. I had no reason to believe 14 would be such a failure but now that it is i'll be looking for something else.

Tera has caught my interest. Although it's action based I'm willing to give it a try and see how it goes. Maybe try the beta before deciding whether to buy it. Trailer here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adioLCHrI6c

LotR and Conan are already dated and have their problems. Personally I'd be more interested to see what GW2 has to offer.

Finally, though I previously had no real interest in the new star wars mmo the fact that bioware has been riding such a wave of successes means it might potentially have something to offer.

...and then if nothing else I guess I could try aeon but it would be my last choice I think.
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Although with aeon 2.0 patch coming soon idk I might have to bump it up on the list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WtzP-y-Ua8&feature=channel

the link is mislabeled 3.0 but it's 2.0

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All those games posted above get ultra boring after 2 weeks and feel like cookie cutter games. You'll be back.
#8 Oct 12 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Good
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Dartagon wrote:
All those games posted above get ultra boring after 2 weeks and feel like cookie cutter games. You'll be back.



Be back to what?
#9 Oct 12 2010 at 8:29 PM Rating: Decent
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datta wrote:
Although with aeon 2.0 patch coming soon idk I might have to bump it up on the list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WtzP-y-Ua8&feature=channel

the link is mislabeled 3.0 but it's 2.0




that looks sick! I dont know much about this game I'm gonna google it now.
what is the combat most like MMO wise?
#10 Oct 12 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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I'm in the same boat. FFXIV is just not doing anything for me (I'll try again in march to see if SE improved it though).

I'm probably just going to try reactivate my FFXI account... I've been looking for other MMO's, but absolutely nothing seems to grab me.
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#11 Oct 12 2010 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I would try WoW, it's really good.
I have played this and FFXI for over 5 years and since I'm done with XI and
XIV is just horribe, i went back to WoW what i actually enjoy with my new account :P
Yeah i start at lv 1 again but it's fun and they improve the game still very,
also for low lv and the new expansion is coming in december.
#12 Oct 12 2010 at 8:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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being mostly PVP oriented, Aion is twitch reflex.

it's the prettiest damned game I've ever seen but the PvE part of it is on rails - literally. You travel from one end of a zone to the other, questing along the way until you get good enough to advance to the next zone. you have to grind an amazing amount in order to get anywhere. the PvE combat was nothing to write home about that I recall but the moves are flashy enough to please the inner diva in all of us.

did I mention it's visually stunning? the armor and weapons always makes me want to go back, it's just that good.


Edited, Oct 12th 2010 10:50pm by jadyness
#13Dartagon, Posted: Oct 12 2010 at 8:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) FFXIV essentially the forum you are posting on, if you dont already play then wtf?
#14 Oct 12 2010 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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I tried WoW once, but unfortunately I just couldn't get into it after FFXI. In a way FFXI ruined MMO's for me, since nothing I've ever tried could beat it. XI is still my favourite MMO ever.

Dartagon wrote:
FFXIV essentially the forum you are posting on, if you dont already play then wtf?


I think you're missing the point. I think the OP (like many others) is dissapointed with FFXIV, and is now looking for alternatives.

Edited, Oct 12th 2010 11:08pm by Tubrudi
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I think you missed the point that there aren't any viable alternative, most games out there currently are cookie cutter, dont have any real value and most likely fail to WOW anyways cause they are trying to be like wow.

WoW gets boring once you start raiding. If you raid you limit what you can do everyweek and kind of just sit around waiting for raids. Where you get ****** at the people who cant move out of fire.
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Dartagon wrote:

WoW gets boring once you start raiding. If you raid you limit what you can do everyweek and kind of just sit around waiting for raids. Where you get ****** at the people who cant move out of fire.



FFXIV gets boring after you create your character.
#17 Oct 12 2010 at 9:22 PM Rating: Good
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jadyness wrote:
being mostly PVP oriented, Aion is twitch reflex.

it's the prettiest damned game I've ever seen but the PvE part of it is on rails - literally. You travel from one end of a zone to the other, questing along the way until you get good enough to advance to the next zone. you have to grind an amazing amount in order to get anywhere. the PvE combat was nothing to write home about that I recall but the moves are flashy enough to please the inner diva in all of us.

did I mention it's visually stunning? the armor and weapons always makes me want to go back, it's just that good.


Edited, Oct 12th 2010 10:50pm by jadyness




nice... im not a big PvP guy ... but it looks amazing and I was reading up on it and it has really improved alot, im going to download the trial now. Is there alot of group play?

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FFXIV essentially the forum you are posting on, if you dont already play then wtf?


yea D*ckstain... if you read the tread title he was a fan of FFXI and wanted another MMO to play because he must be *GASP* unhappy with XIV.

Edited, Oct 12th 2010 11:22pm by mynussyfitches
#18Dartagon, Posted: Oct 12 2010 at 9:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Does this look like the forum to ask that question on, hey im on a FFXIV forum, but I hate FFXIV, and I wanna know what other games to play.........
#19 Oct 12 2010 at 9:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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KristoFurwalken wrote:
Dartagon wrote:

WoW gets boring once you start raiding. If you raid you limit what you can do everyweek and kind of just sit around waiting for raids. Where you get ****** at the people who cant move out of fire.



FFXIV gets boring after you create your character.



ouch!
#20 Oct 12 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Default
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I never once said FFXIV is fun for all.

In all honesty, the only thing that really kept me going back to WoW was the PvP. I play a balance druid in pvp/pve. No im not uber leet and yes I've had my character hacked. Ragebeast, dethecus. Look him up if you wish.

Trust me the game gets old fast, diffrent bosses, same mechanics, diffrent scenery...I wish they could try something new, but its the same thing over, and over and over again.
#21 Oct 12 2010 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
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Dartagon wrote:
Does this look like the forum to ask that question on, hey im on a FFXIV forum, but I hate FFXIV, and I wanna know what other games to play.........

Most likely doesn't like this game cause the game doesnt tell you what to do, as in he cant figure it out for himself, aka asking others what games he should play.

LOL


It actually looks like an excellent forum to ask that question, considering it's full of people that have likely played several MMO's.

Most likely he doesn't like this game because it is boring and lame. If the games so great go play it and stop trolling.
#22 Oct 12 2010 at 9:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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nice... im not a big PvP guy ... but it looks amazing and I was reading up on it and it has really improved alot, im going to download the trial now. Is there alot of group play?


i have no doubt they've worked on a bunch of stuff since the last time I played so the feeling of being trammeled into The One Path might be a lot better now. I enjoyed it for the most part since I'm okay with mindlessly hitting monsters for hours a time (I'm easily amused by the that stuff) and all the classes play really well.

You pretty much HAVE to find yourself a group though to hang with by the time you're in your 30's, or you won't survive the Abyss. The lone winged warrior ends up smunched pretty quick! Unless you're a PvP God - which I am not.

<--- spent a lot of time smunched.
#23 Oct 12 2010 at 9:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you really liked FFXI, go play EQ2, it's going to be the closest thing and has more than enough to keep your interest for a long time. It does not hold your hand through much, so be ready to look stuff up. Graphic's are good, game play and grouping is great, lots of crap like houses, heritage quests, yadda yadda yadda. Plus, you will never ever run out of quests!

I like ffxiv, but if I did not I would go back to EQ2. I tried wow once, it's a silly cartoon looking game with very little depth.

It's pretty much the Fischer Price of MMO's.
#24 Oct 12 2010 at 9:37 PM Rating: Default
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Im on my way to play now LOL

I like FFXIV cause I have some IRL friends that play thats what makes most games fun, **** if the servers were still around id play 2d games or even text based games.

I can't play at work so I troll these senseless posts.

LOL
#25 Oct 12 2010 at 9:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks alot man I appreciate the info I'm gonna give it a try looks beautiful and NCSoft seems to be on top of the game constant improvement from what i read. thanks again!
#26 Oct 12 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wow is easy mainly for casual gamers not much to the game but solo grinds then raiding the same dungeons over and over and over and over and over for 1 piece of gear MAYBE.

You could also head over to EQ2 and download and play it for free with their new extended service. It limits race, class, spell and armor upgrades but still fun to play for free and I would suggest at least giving it a try.

Aion is a game that does take a while to play and level but it honestly gets boring. You get quest in pvp zones in which you get killed over and over by higher level players who are so uber they can only take on people 15+ levels below them.

SWG wont tax your system but it has some unique plays going on but all in all gets old fast.

AoC fails.

Warhammer was fun for the first 3 weeks after release but gets old fast, most just level up doing pvp and dont bother doing the public quest.

Everquest has lots of classes/races and it takes a long time to level and has some big raid zomes, but its an old game and not as many players around now. It use to have a super community back in 1999 to 2002, now not sure how it is.

Coh/CoV (champions same game better looks) are just for casual play, nothing to really do but kill for xp.

Dont bother with the free asian type MMOs they are just grind fest that try to get you to spend real money for in game items.

I myself just trying to get by until starwars comes out and I hope its not a let down like the games have been recently.
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I'm in the same boat. Can't believe it either. FFXIV was supposed to be my new FFXI (which lasted me for years).

Oh well, downloading LOTRO as we speak. Played it at launch but didn't really get into it. It's free now plus apparantly they've revamped the beginner levels quite a bit so thought I'd give it a shot.

WoW is my backup. Though I really don't want to go back.

Have my copy of AoC sitting around but not looking to go back there.

Not sure what other options I have.

Will be playing starcraft 2, halo reach, GT5, Fable 3, COD, etc etc in b/w everything ofcourse.

Too bad. FFXIV was supposed to be my ace. So dissapointed. :(
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The only other one that intrests me is DC Universe Online, but I'd play on PS3, and it was just delayed from Nov. to next year I think. I'll probably pick it up and see how it is but I'll probably still be xiv too, I'm not leaving yet (I'll keep playing at least till PS3 launch). I am intgrested in DC though, hoping it doesn't dissapoint.
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Dartagon wrote:
All those games posted above get ultra boring after 2 weeks and feel like cookie cutter games. You'll be back.


That's interesting given that 3/4 of my recommends haven't even been released yet...
#30 Oct 12 2010 at 11:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mithsavvy wrote:
I'm not looking for the obvious answer (which is, "Just keep playing FFXI") because I do in fact want something new.


FFXI is the last of the Everquest clones, it's basicly everquest with a Final Fantasy coat of paint. The only other game I can think of that's based on the EQ model that is still around other than EQ itself would be Vanguard.

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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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EQ2 extended,LoTRO, DDO are F2P games and I found a fun F2P turn based game like other in the FF series ( but has a grind aspect) called Atlantica online.

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#32 Oct 13 2010 at 1:12 AM Rating: Good
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DDO is F2P now. There is a reason why.
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It's not an MMO, but Starcraft II will eat up as much of your time as any MMO out there.
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mynussyfitches wrote:


nice... im not a big PvP guy ... but it looks amazing and I was reading up on it and it has really improved alot, im going to download the trial now. Is there alot of group play?


The first 15 levels are solo. But the missions become harder to the point that being in a party is necessary for the main story. But a good number of missions are soloable.

The thing about Aion is that this game is 95% pvp at endgame. Doing any raids on forts is pvp. Its fun, but not for everyone.

The biggest problem for Aion is the grind. It's truly a grind fest. The thing that made FFXI's grind more interesting is the party element and the jobs. I guess for me at least. The missions do become extremely difficult later on in the game and there are levels in which you're literally out of quests to do and have no choice but to grind on mobs in pve.

One of the things it has in common with FFXI are HNM's. Though they dont call them that. It takes an entire LS (Theyre called Legions in Aion) to take down the stronger HNM's.

I stopped playing Aion because it became boring. I guess I was spoiled by FFXI and then WoW after it. Though again as everyone knows those two games are extremely different.

RustyMcDaggers wrote:
It's not an MMO, but Starcraft II will eat up as much of your time as any MMO out there.



I can definitely vouch for that statement. lol
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#35 Oct 13 2010 at 3:20 AM Rating: Decent
I tried Aion when Gamestop had it on some super game sale thing... Graphics were pretty nice, but the game was one of the biggest piles of steaming elephant dung I have ever seen. Granted it is at this point, better than FFXI, I quit before my free month with Aion was even up. I don't know about now, but just over a month back when I did try it I found the racial domination was overly and unfairly outnumbered thanks to NCSoft's decision to try merging servers or whatnot. The end result was that if you wanted to play a certain race (There's Asmosdian and Elyos.) it force you to choose the other unless you chose a server that wasn't dominated by that race.

Say you have friends that are all Elyos on one server, well the only way to join that server was to play as an Asmosdian instead. Of course the problem here, is that just like the factions on WoW, these two races are on opposite sides. It's like playing on the Alliance side but wanting to hang out with your Horde buddies but can't because the server restricts you to playing Alliance only.

Of course this can also lead up to some major ganking. I never got that far but if you travel anywhere not considered protected by your race, expect to get jumped by someone of the opposite just for kicks. I can't verify it as I never got that far, but people have told me it can happen. So to the OP considering you don't like PvP, don't go with Aion, you'll regret it.

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#36 Oct 13 2010 at 5:59 AM Rating: Good
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Dartagon wrote:
Does this look like the forum to ask that question on, hey im on a FFXIV forum, but I hate FFXIV, and I wanna know what other games to play.........

Most likely doesn't like this game cause the game doesnt tell you what to do, as in he cant figure it out for himself, aka asking others what games he should play.

LOL


Yea, can't figure out FFXIV. Its ridiculously deep and complex. FFXI was a joke in comparison, especially soloing Gration, obtianing my Eibesu rod, and getting those pesky crimson greves among other things.



Edited, Oct 13th 2010 7:03am by Mithsavvy
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Dartagon wrote:
WoW gets boring once you start raiding. If you raid you limit what you can do everyweek and kind of just sit around waiting for raids. Where you get ****** at the people who cant move out of fire.


If you can't find anything else to do in WoW aside from raid, urdoinitrong.

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Yea, can't figure out FFXIV. Its ridiculously deep and complex. FFXI was a joke in comparison, especially soloing Gration, obtianing my Eibesu rod, and getting those pesky crimson greves among other things.


Two of those were nothing more than RNG rolling in your favor. I'd hardly call getting lucky 'complex'.

@ OP

I'd give LotRO or EQ2 a whirl. I really did like both game's overall presentation, but I couldn't get into either. The main problem with both games are their combat systems. As slow as it was FFXI's combat was really fluid and well designed, and WoW has probably the most seamlessly smooth one so far. LotRO and EQ2 both designed combat systems around everything revolving around the wait times of the attack animations, so to me it feels really weird and unresponsive. I know LotRO supposedly did a major combat system overhaul, but I didn't notice that much of a change.

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StrijderVechter wrote:
Dartagon wrote:
WoW gets boring once you start raiding. If you raid you limit what you can do everyweek and kind of just sit around waiting for raids. Where you get ****** at the people who cant move out of fire.


If you can't find anything else to do in WoW aside from raid, urdoinitrong.

Mithsavvy wrote:
Yea, can't figure out FFXIV. Its ridiculously deep and complex. FFXI was a joke in comparison, especially soloing Gration, obtianing my Eibesu rod, and getting those pesky crimson greves among other things.


Two of those were nothing more than RNG rolling in your favor. I'd hardly call getting lucky 'complex'.

@ OP

I'd give LotRO or EQ2 a whirl. I really did like both game's overall presentation, but I couldn't get into either. The main problem with both games are their combat systems. As slow as it was FFXI's combat was really fluid and well designed, and WoW has probably the most seamlessly smooth one so far. LotRO and EQ2 both designed combat systems around everything revolving around the wait times of the attack animations, so to me it feels really weird and unresponsive. I know LotRO supposedly did a major combat system overhaul, but I didn't notice that much of a change.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 8:16am by StrijderVechter



Actually, I am the OP.

Regarding FFXI, I was simply pointing out to Dartagon that my lack of enjoyment with FFXIV had nothing to do with the game not "telling me what to do" because FFXI was one of the most extreme examples of a game "not telling me what to do" yet I managed to play it long enough and thoroughly enough to accomplish and obtain some of the most difficult things in that game.

Besides, its somewhat irrelevant that the game doesn't tell you what to do - because the less a game "tells you what to do", the more robust are the community support sites on the internet that "tell you what to do". Everyone who played FFXI either was told what to do by their in-game peers, or read how to do it from a web site. Even things like soloing difficult mobs were pretty much only pioneered by one person, then everyone else read strateguy guides and watched youtube videos on how to do it. Not to say that some if it still didn't take persistence and honing certain skills.

I also have to confess that I did try LOTRO when it came out. The problem was that I immediately took to cmaping some NMs in that game and got a lot of cash quick doing this. Then I grinded through some exp, got my horse and got upwards towards lvl 40 I think.... and then I got so bored I could not continue. It seemed that no faster than I could come up with a goal, I would achieve it. I need a game with those pie-in-the-sky achievmenets like Relic wepaons and Ridills. Things that I'll never have, but keep coming back working towards lol.

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I really like this thread, and have come up with some fantastic ideas to bide my time while I wait for an acceptable level of version updates to be released for FFXIV.

I think that I will take a look at EQ2. GW2 is my goal for the next MMO to anticipate, personally.

As for the OP, have you taken a look at WoW ever? The graphics are a bit in the past, but it is a fantastic way to waste some time and it will give you some exposure to the "other side" of MMOs from SE's brand. I enjoyed it thoroughly when playing with my girlfriend. It is not as immersive and compelling as FFXI, but everyone has their different reaction to the franchise. As much as people use it as a weapon to mock one another, it has an extremely high production value and is an excellent use of time.

As for LOTRO, I was not able to enjoy the game as much as other folks, but it clearly had a lot of work put into it. It is most definitely worth a look.

I played Vanguard for awhile, as it has come quite a long way since its initial release, which was about as acceptable as FFXIV's launch. You may find that the amount of variability you get in the game, such as the different tiers of levelling (adventure, crafting, and diplomacy), may give you some breadth that can help you mold the game around your schedule.

Aion is a VERY solid choice. It has excellent graphics and the audio keeps you interested. The storyline is slightly hokey in my opinion, but if you're looking for gameplay, it has a very good backbone to keep you entertained, especially if you make some friends.

Many of the people in my LS played City of Heroes before FFXIV and were die-hard fans. Try taking a look at that, too.
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I was maxed level in Aion before I sold my account... Terribad game before Assault on Baularea.. terrible game after Assault on Baularea.. Ever heard of ganking? Well this game takes it to the very extreme.. Basically when you're questing some idiot can just come kill you at any random time.. it's fine if these people are doing fights based on one vs one.. but most of the time its either 3 vs 1.. or they out gear you.. Once again this is not your Guild Wars Pvp.. there is no variety, once you know the perfect chain of skills to use.. chances are it won't fail you.. Max Level is something like 2 months if you know exactly what you are doing..
Don't even get me started on farming your final tier set.. It took me longer to farm one piece of the final set.. then leveling from 1-40...on 2 characters.. that's how bad gear farming is.

I reached cap level on 3 characters in lotro (and still casually playing from time to time) .. In my opinion best WoW alternative in creation.. If you can overlook the terrible sub standard character models and Guild Wars 1 like skill animation.. then this game is for you... Most of the game is not very gear dependent.. Your final set of equipment is completely up to you.. No one cares if you're using one of those uber wtf crafted set.. or random drop off mobs.. The reason behind this is.. Both are pretty dam good!! A very nice balance in equipment power for any style of play some no one will feel like they are underpowered.. Very easy to level.. I maxed out one char in this game faster than it takes to beat Dragon Age Origins (less than 200 hours to cap level on one char.. 1-65)

WoW ... Maxed my whole account.. Some would call this the easy mode game.. but in all honesty it is a game to satisfy people who have little to no time for intense gaming.. this is a game where you can log for 1 hour and feel EXTREMELY accomplished... There are enough quests in this game to keep you occupied for a very long time... The achievement system allows you to feel progression even if you didn't level (highly unlikely) as I feel like doing nothing in this game still somehow level you up.. I enjoyed raids in this game.. People who hate on this game.. probably never found a group of players to game with, anti-social, or just newfags who thinks they are rebels by hating what everyone else is liking.. ***** off.

At the moment I am playing absolutely nothing.. Sold my CE FFXIV account after 3 days of gaming in this game... Right off the bat I knew this game would be craptastic.. If you are not having fun.. it is a ****** game.. I have played numerous games in my life and this game is one of the worst games I have ever seen EVER.. ***** please if you think this game is better than the 3 aforementioned game.. something is wrong with you.. You know why LOTRO was best at show in PAX? You know why WoW has over 10 million subs.. you know why Aion has over 2 million and arguably the second best mmo in creation? You know why FFXIV will never sustain a playerbase above 150k.. IT IS BECAUSE THIS GAME IS FOR A NICHE MARKET and is ONLY suitable for hard core fans who will over look EVERYTHING to like this game..

tl;dr version ... FFXIV sucks you have way better alternatives.. if you are shallow as **** please go play FFXIV where fun aspects of mmo are replaced by shiny graphics.. HAVE FUN

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#41 Oct 13 2010 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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This is a though one, because FFxiv is the only real slow mmorpg in my opinion. Other mmorpg's are all about fast leveling and there craftsystems aren't deep, same as story. The only games i can think of are guild wars (the first guild wars, not the expansions) and Lotro. Lotro has a fun crafting system, big world, a lot of things to explore and a it has a story. Age of conan is all about fast leveling, you can craft only when you are lvl 40, but even if you don't play that much, you can hit lvl 40 in a couple of weeks. The only thing i enjoyed was the main story.
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#42 Oct 13 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Default
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Sounds like you like games that are like work, and no PVP. So play FFXIV.
#43 Oct 13 2010 at 9:22 AM Rating: Default
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I have been playing Champions Online (www.champions-online.com) for the past year while I waited for FFXIV. It is a superhero MMO and it is fun and much more action oriented. It plays like a an action console game but is an online MMO. There isn't a ton of endgame stuff to do at the moment but they are about to release the next free add on.

Additionally I play Global Agenda. You only pay for the game, no monthly fee and right now there is a discount to buy the game. It is a mix of PvE and has great PVP. In my opinion it is the best shooter MMO you will find. I figure I will keep playing Champions and FFXIV until DCUniverse Online comes (http://www.facebook.com/DCUniverseOnline) out Q1 2011. If FFXIV isn't any better by then I will bail for good.
#44 Oct 13 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm going to check DDO and LotRO out since they are free, wish I knew when they were free I would have started earlier! I skipped the first Guild Wars thinking it wasn't going to be any good, but I've watched the video's of Guild Wars 2 on youtube and it looks pretty sweet.
Here's the warrior demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtotOce2vkk&annotation_id=annotation_375360&feature=iv

Tera looks pretty cool too, I hadn't even heard of it before reading this. Although with some of the animations it looks like it might be a button masher as opposed to more macro-esque? I haven't read too much about it yet though.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 1:42pm by Leskura
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#45 Oct 13 2010 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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I did play ffxi for many years (it was my first and only mmo). The things I liked about it was that accomplishments took a lot of dedication


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I did try LOTRO when it came out...It seemed that no faster than I could come up with a goal, I would achieve it. I need a game with those pie-in-the-sky achievmenets like Relic wepaons and Ridills. Things that I'll never have, but keep coming back working towards lol.


FFXI was my first MMO as well, and I played it for a long time (6 75s). However, "dedicating" 15+ hours a week to camping Kings/NMs for a game breaking item that drops off a mob that requires no skill to kill is stupid.

Dangling a nigh unreachable carrot in front of your face to keep you playing isn't a good design choice. A few LSmates who got Ridills turned their toons over to the LS shortly afterwards because these "goals" were really just excuses to stick around when the rest of the game wasn't compelling anymore. Adding fun new content to the game is how you should keep players coming back.


Bottom line, it's hard to replace a game like FFXI because it was a pretty good game and it takes up sooooo much of your time. But also, it was your first MMO and a lot of the flaws which you tolerated or didn't notice right away will be immediately apparent in new games. Playing EQ2 will likely seem all too familiar, and how much you enjoy LotRO is heavily dependent on how much you enjoy the lore. Of course leveling up is going to seem easy compared to getting a relic weapon. You won't even know what challenges a game has to offer until you get to end game.

I'm playing WoW because the PvP and PvE are both slick, I have a good group to play with, and it's drastically different than FFXI. While there is a lot of PvE content, just like any other game, you can eventually exhaust what it has to offer. PvP is dynamic so it provides longevity. Unfortunately the sense of community on each server is virtually non-existent but no game is perfect.
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#46 Oct 13 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Leskura wrote:
Tera looks pretty cool too, I hadn't even heard of it before reading this. Although with some of the animations it looks like it might be a button masher as opposed to more macro-esque? I haven't read too much about it yet though.

I am pretty reticent about Tera. It seems the best part of the game is its graphic engine. I get horror flash backs to Linage 2 >.<;
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#47 Oct 13 2010 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
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you know why Aion has over 2 million


South korea doesn't count lol.
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#48 Oct 13 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
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JamesX wrote:
Leskura wrote:
Tera looks pretty cool too, I hadn't even heard of it before reading this. Although with some of the animations it looks like it might be a button masher as opposed to more macro-esque? I haven't read too much about it yet though.

I am pretty reticent about Tera. It seems the best part of the game is its graphic engine. I get horror flash backs to Linage 2 >.<;


Korean MMOs have female character models that look like they were caught next to a fetish shop when it exploded.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 9:07pm by Lobivopis
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#49 Oct 13 2010 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Dangling a nigh unreachable carrot in front of your face to keep you playing isn't a good design choice.


From SE's perspective it *is* a good design choice. Anything that keeps you more addicted = good in their eyes.

See, you complain to SE about how hard it was to get X item and it took you months and months of camping or doing events to get it and why can't SE just make it all work on a point system.

But what SE hears is "ka-ching! ka-ching!"


That is why MMOs use random drops instead of using point systems for everything. It is because random schedule reward is the most effective form of operant conditioning while fixed schedule reward is the least effective. This has nothing to do with logic, it's hitting a very old part of your brain (the part just above the brainstem) that governs instincts like *** drive and hunger. It's an ancient survival mechanism that exists in vertebrates from fish and on up the evolutionary tree that causes them to repeat behaviors that yield intermittent positive results. All of the drives from that part of your brain have disproportionate veto power over your higher brain functions because they are considered vital to an organism's survival and continuance of the species (if your lower brain wasn't telling you that *** is really, really great you'd think it was disgusting).

Basically it's bypassing your rational thinking. This is the same reason people get hooked on gambling.



Edited, Oct 13th 2010 9:29pm by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#50 Oct 13 2010 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
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How that one line so well summarize some of my worst raid nights....


But back to FFXIV, I'm currently in the same boat as many it seems. I currently don't plan on keeping my subscription active past the 30 day trail period unless something down right amazing is implemented. I see what the graphics engine is capable of doing and cry when it is so under utilized in my opinion. We have plains, desert and tunnel woods, thats it. The cities are fantastic but the general environments are just so plain and lifeless. I now have a better appreciation for the random use of npc critters in an environment. When I was taking a ferry and a lightning storm start also a great example of what can be done but is no where near the norm you see.

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 9:44pm by darkasmodai|WH
#51 Oct 13 2010 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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You should try LOTRO. Aion, warhammer online, age of conan and many others are really not fun. LOTRO is free (for the most part) and it has great graphics. The story and lore of the game, is second to none, so far as I have seen. It has negative things about it, just like any MMO, but at least it is free if you only want certain things out of the game.
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