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#1 Oct 13 2010 at 9:04 AM Rating: Decent
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i died to a gobbue when farming sheep. so at camp bearded rock i decided to do some inevntory cleansing.. i sold my birdsbeak hammer +1 that took me over a week to get im searchin ans searching and i cant find a buy back please tell me theres a buyback
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#2 Oct 13 2010 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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No, there isnt.
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buyback features, the one thing MMOs need yet never seem to have at launch....
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I don't think so. There wasn't in FFXI and they haven't demonstrated any progress whatsoever in the interface department from the dark days of 2002 so.....

You can try contacting a GM, outside the game, through the website form, that's buried in menus. Someone probably has a link. I hope you can get that item back.
#5 Oct 13 2010 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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; ; i hope so its all the fault of their UI lag but im sure they;; find a way to blame it on me
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#6 Oct 13 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I feel your pain my friend. I too have lost an occasional item to the slow response of the UI, but fortunately nothing as important as your hammer.

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#7 Oct 13 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Silly American. There is no buy back as it serves no useful purpose.

Or was that jump? hmm....

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 11:30am by Twolow24
#8 Oct 13 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I mean, not to sound ugly, because it sucks, but really? People complain because they have to click yes or OK 1,000 times to sell something, but then when something like this happens they ***** because it happens.

Can anybody ever be happy? Does your mother still wipe your **** when you crap for you? I mean people on these forums want everything handed to them in game. "I want this implemented now or I'm leaving." Ok, bye. Stop ******** about it on the forums.

I come here to read information about the game, but this crap fills up the screen every single day.

PS: OP, it was your fault, you sold it, SE did not in fact steal the item out of your inventory.
#9 Oct 13 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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They ask you like 3 times if you want to sell something, how did you accidentally sell it?
#10 Oct 13 2010 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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No, but I can see how this could happen with the excessive amount of lag between the client and the server. When it takes several seconds for a command to fire, you might have accidentally moved onto a command you didn't mean during that communication and it gets lost in the shuffle.

I had something similar happen with trying to move things to my action bar. I'd click on the action, click on the Main hand, click on the box, it would take a few seconds to actually show in that box, but I was onto the next thing I wanted to move already. Guess what happened? The box I just clicked was still highlighted, and so when I clicked the next ability I wanted to move and main hand, it saw the box that was highlighted and moved THAT ability there. It took me several moments to figure out what was going on. If the ability had been instantly moved to the bar and the sequence reset, it wouldn't have happened that way. Now I do it backward (feels backward to me, anyway) by clicking the box first to ensure that doesn't happen.

A lot of this stuff really IS the fault of lag and this terrible system thinking EVERYTHING needs an ACK from the server.
#11 Oct 13 2010 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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Galkaholics wrote:
; ; i hope so its all the fault of their UI lag but im sure they;; find a way to blame it on me


with 3 confirmations you still managed to sell it, you'll have to save up again, sorry :(
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#12 Oct 13 2010 at 9:43 AM Rating: Default
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But, you do now know there is lag. Everyone knows now that it does take a few seconds between menus. Plan for this?
#13 Oct 13 2010 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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i though i was selling meat it showed meat and the confirmation showed meat AFTER i confirmed it changed to my hammer and i franticly tried to cancel with the back button.. confirmation does 0 good when lag shows a diffrent item throughout the entire process
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#14 Oct 13 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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empathycontrols wrote:

But, you do now know there is lag. Everyone knows now that it does take a few seconds between menus. Plan for this?


Of course, and as I said, I now plan accordingly and do everything backward.

I'm not the issue here though, am I? The question is, did the OP know that he should wait for a full ACK from the server after each and every interaction, or was he in a rush like I was to get out of the boring stuff and back to enjoying the game?

Seriously, I don't see why people are acting like the guy is a complete waste of human life because he came here asking a question after losing an item he worked hard for. Just move on if you are that angry other people exist and make mistakes. You are as cold as SE is with that attitude.
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empathycontrols wrote:
But, you do now know there is lag. Everyone knows now that it does take a few seconds between menus. Plan for this?



Sounds like an official SE response, "We made the game with lag on purpose in order to give the game a new feel, in time the gamer will adjust and learn to love it."

Or they can just put a friggin buyback in the game.

When you use the mouse, like a normal PC gamer would, in the item menu certain items tend to jump around when you cursor over them, It would be easy to cursor the item you want to sell, and have the window jump and make you select something else. And when it takes 15 miniutes to clear your inventory at a vendor a person would be just spamming the confirmation buttons to try to gtf out of there and get to some gameplay.
#16 Oct 13 2010 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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Have you tried contacting a GM yet? They can probably restore the item for you, but it may take them time to investigate.
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Torrence wrote:
empathycontrols wrote:

But, you do now know there is lag. Everyone knows now that it does take a few seconds between menus. Plan for this?


Of course, and as I said, I now plan accordingly and do everything backward.

I'm not the issue here though, am I? The question is, did the OP know that he should wait for a full ACK from the server after each and every interaction, or was he in a rush like I was to get out of the boring stuff and back to enjoying the game?

Seriously, I don't see why people are acting like the guy is a complete waste of human life because he came here asking a question after losing an item he worked hard for. Just move on if you are that angry other people exist and make mistakes. You are as cold as SE is with that attitude.
this. i was hastily tyring to sell and go back to enjoing my game

also rs i sent a gm ticket but i fully expect it to be a "its your fault there's nothing we can do there's muli confirmations" ect

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 11:01am by Galkaholics
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#18 Oct 13 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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buyback features, the one thing MMOs need yet never seem to have at launch....


LOTRO had a buyback feature even in beta. The last 16 items you sold to any NPC would be available for buyback from any vendor (for a price). If you accidentally sold something, or if you sold a bunch of stuff then got a quest asking for it, you could recover it.

It was costly enough to prevent people from abusing it as a form of "storage", but made it very forgiving for mistakes.

#19 Oct 13 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Ya but FFXIV players are hardcore gamers that don't make mistakes.

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Maybe it's the parent in me, but I have no sympathy for this. I really want to, but this is how you learn. It sucks. I would be ****** too, but this is how you learn from your mistakes.

Is there lag on the server? Yes.

Is it excessive? Yes.

Are you now going to slow down and be a bit more careful? Hopefully.

Slow down, this is not a race, it's a game. If you sell your stuff faster then the next person does that make you infinitely better? Evidently not, because now you have to go back and work to get that item that you accidentally sold back.

I had no problem with asking if there was a buyback feature, but when the OP said "; ; i hope so its all the fault of their UI lag but im sure they;; find a way to blame it on me" it kind of rubbed me wrong. I don't let my kids get away with this attitude, and this is the attitude that is constantly seen on these forums. It's **** annoying that my 3 year old has a better sense of responsibility for his own actions than someone who is old enough to play this game.

Is it partially the fault of the UI, maybe...slightly. But at this point in the game, you know there is some lag. It's not like it's brand new. Accept responsibility that you made a mistake. You accidentally sold it. Deal with it and don't try to blame the world because you ****** up.
#21 Oct 13 2010 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Slow down, this is not a race, it's a game. If you sell your stuff faster then the next person does that make you infinitely better? Evidently not, because now you have to go back and work to get that item that you accidentally sold back.


Where in his entire post did you get the idea that he thought selling things to an NPC faster made him better than someone else? He said he made a mistake because of the lag, which incidentally IS mostly SE's responsibility, and asked if there was any way to correct it.

How you raise your children is your business - please don't let that carry over into your dealings with other adults on these forums. No one is here looking for a father figure, and this guy was just looking for a buyback feature.
#22 Oct 13 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Only crappy, easy-mode games like WoW have a buyback feature. What will you ask for next? The ability to instantly sell anything with one mouse click? Items that can be linked in chat? Player search? The ability to click on someone's name to talk to them? lol
#23 Oct 13 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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update.. seeral hours later i got a gm responce

basicly they said they had too many tickets to respond to me and to check my email in the next few days for a real responce =/

anyone sellin a birdsbeak hammer on rabanatre in limsa lol
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#24 Oct 13 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Default
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Galkaholics wrote:
Torrence wrote:
empathycontrols wrote:

But, you do now know there is lag. Everyone knows now that it does take a few seconds between menus. Plan for this?


Of course, and as I said, I now plan accordingly and do everything backward.

I'm not the issue here though, am I? The question is, did the OP know that he should wait for a full ACK from the server after each and every interaction, or was he in a rush like I was to get out of the boring stuff and back to enjoying the game?

Seriously, I don't see why people are acting like the guy is a complete waste of human life because he came here asking a question after losing an item he worked hard for. Just move on if you are that angry other people exist and make mistakes. You are as cold as SE is with that attitude.
this. i was hastily tyring to sell and go back to enjoing my game

also rs i sent a gm ticket but i fully expect it to be a "its your fault there's nothing we can do there's muli confirmations" ect

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 11:01am by Galkaholics


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Slow down, this is not a race, it's a game. If you sell your stuff faster then the next person does that make you infinitely better? Evidently not, because now you have to go back and work to get that item that you accidentally sold back.


Where in his entire post did you get the idea that he thought selling things to an NPC faster made him better than someone else? He said he made a mistake because of the lag, which incidentally IS mostly SE's responsibility, and asked if there was any way to correct it.

How you raise your children is your business - please don't let that carry over into your dealings with other adults on these forums. No one is here looking for a father figure, and this guy was just looking for a buyback feature.



That right there. It explains that he in fact was in a hurry to sell his stuff to get back to other parts of the game.

I'm not mad or vicious, and hold no angst against OP for any reason. I just found the quote where he was blaming SE for his selling something too fast to be beyond reasonable.

If a crack head asked me for money, and I said yes 3 times and gave him money, I couldn't have him arrested for stealing my money. I may not have known he was a crackhead, but I still did what I did.

The whole point I'm trying to make is, you screwed up, you pay the price. We all have done it. Don't expect SE to pat you on the back and say "It's ok, here you go buddy". They shouldn't have to. It's not about poor support, as they said they're working on fixing lag, it's about responsibility. People need to accept their end if they want the game designer to live up to theirs.
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I've experienced something similar with retainers. The interface shows one item through all the confirmation prompts, but them a different item goes into the retainers inventory.

I'm curious though, you said this happened in a camp, not in return. Where can you sell items in camp? I've never seen a vendor in any camps.
#26 Oct 13 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I never even imagined a buy-back button. Didn't know other games had it.

And really, there are far more important things they can and need to update before even thinking about this feature.
#27empathycontrols, Posted: Oct 13 2010 at 1:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And let me point out, I'm not opposed to a buy back feature, what-so-ever. It would be useful, for the times we make mistakes. I'm sure I'll do it. But I'm just sick of hearing about how SE screwed everyone over. Don't like it, leave.
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That right there. It explains that he in fact was in a hurry to sell his stuff to get back to other parts of the game.


My issue was how this translated into this

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If you sell your stuff faster then the next person does that make you infinitely better? Evidently not, because now you have to go back and work to get that item that you accidentally sold back.


Being excited to play the fun parts of the game =/= superiority complex.

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If a crack head asked me for money, and I said yes 3 times and gave him money, I couldn't have him arrested for stealing my money. I may not have known he was a crackhead, but I still did what I did.


If by this you mean - "If I gave a crackhead money once without knowing what he was, and then after knowing what he was did it twice more anyway, I am then responsible for doing a stupid thing", then you are actually proving my point.

The guy found out the hard way, and I don't expect any more posts from him with the same mistake. Why are you so bend on crucifying him for making this initial goof?
#29empathycontrols, Posted: Oct 13 2010 at 1:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why are you bent on defending his blaming of SE for his own mistake. And no, I meant if the crack head asked me for money several times, and I never checked to verify he was a **** crackhead, then it's my own fault. Pay attention. That's my point. That's all I'm saying. He made a mistake, he has to deal with it. He didn't lose his child, he didn't give away his house, he did nothing that's ultimately detrimental to his well being as a person.
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I've experienced something similar with retainers. The interface shows one item through all the confirmation prompts, but them a different item goes into the retainers inventory.

I'm curious though, you said this happened in a camp, not in return. Where can you sell items in camp? I've never seen a vendor in any camps.


camp bearded rock and i assume the first camp for all nations have a vendor where you can buy worms for fishing, arrows for shooting ect

its a little tent away from the main camp


also yes i agree i wont be posting the same mistake twice also it is wrong to be flaming me for something that really wasnt my fault

basicly what the flamer here is saying to sum it up in simple terms.. theres a present right in front of you with your name on it. so you open it. it explodes and you die.. then this guy<the flamer> goes "haha bet u learned your lesson about not doing something thats obviously meant to be done"

not a perfect analog but thats pretty much what he is saying.. i really dont wnat to get into it and SE GM's wont help like i said they told me the are "too busy" soooo.. anyone sellin a birdsbeak on rabanastre lol
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#31 Oct 13 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why are you bent on defending his blaming of SE for his own mistake. And no, I meant if the crack head asked me for money several times, and I never checked to verify he was a **** crackhead, then it's my own fault.


It's your own fault that you didn't check whether or not someone was a crackhead? The example doesn't fit. So he should have checked that SE had a problem with lag and the interface before his first mistake? Based on what?

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Why are you bent on defending his blaming of SE for his own mistake.


I'm not - I'm bent on people not being abusive to others for no good reason. He made a mistake, he explained why it happened. He's not responsible for the lag, but yes he is now responsible for working with it after this incident. I'm sure that after all this, he *gets* that.

What's ironic, is the word empathy in your name when it looks like you are struggling with having some for this guy who is just trying to enjoy the game.
#32empathycontrols, Posted: Oct 13 2010 at 1:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Really, I mean really? Because opening a present addressed to you and dying is the same as selling something or giving something away by mistake and losing that item or money? I mean...wow. Hard correlation there.
#33empathycontrols, Posted: Oct 13 2010 at 1:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I guess my ultimate point is, he was at a point in the game where he had an understanding there was lag. I'm not being abusive towards him. I'm sorry if it comes across like that. I'm just saying, own up to your own mistakes. Life is better on that side of the fence.
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I thought this was a thread for someone wanting SE to refund the price paid for the game.
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#35 Oct 13 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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seriously please quit trolling my thread i learned my lesson and am trying to enjoy my game. if you hate it so much you have to sit here telling people to quit all day perhaps it is you who needs to find a new game to play. thats all i have to say.. thank you everyone else for your patience with me

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Really, I mean really? Because opening a present addressed to you and dying is the same as selling something or giving something away by mistake and losing that item or money? I mean...wow. Hard correlation there.

What I'm saying is, you knew there was lag. Compensate for it or don't play.

I just don't get why you thought SE should compensate you for the item? Honestly, truly, I don't give a sh*t either way about you, so I have no hard feelings towards you, and am not trying to "flame" you. I'm just saying, you messed up. And I didn't start until you started crying about how SE was going to blame you, for your mistake.
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#36empathycontrols, Posted: Oct 13 2010 at 1:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually, I'm rather enjoying the game. I'm glad you learned, and it does suck you learned the hard way. My apologies that I came across as an *******, but I'm sure you've seen the 5,000 threads about people ******** and moaning about not getting everything the way they want it now. It does get annoying.
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the lag in this game is insane. Heres a situation I've come up with my retainer a few times during item exchange. my inventory looks this

Item 1
Item 2
Item 3


I click Item 3, hit exchange.
click return. Scroll over item 2
click on item 2

Note I did not yet try and exchange Item 2 to my retainer yet..

my inv now shows

Item 1
Item 3

Item 2 was transfered to my retainer. Now I wait until a transaction is complete before I even touch the mouse again, because I didnt want to get burned while vendoring/bazaaring.
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the lag in this game is insane. Heres a situation I've come up with my retainer a few times during item exchange. my inventory looks this

Item 1
Item 2
Item 3


I click Item 3, hit exchange.
click return. Scroll over item 2
click on item 2

Note I did not yet try and exchange Item 2 to my retainer yet..

my inv now shows

Item 1
Item 3

Item 2 was transfered to my retainer. Now I wait until a transaction is complete before I even touch the mouse again, because I didnt want to get burned while vendoring/bazaaring.

this is what ill be doing from now on. the thought of 15 minit vendor sessions isnt appealing. but im not one of the whiners besides i put $50 in crsta the day i bought the game so im in it for the long haul lol
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Sorry this had to happen to you. I've had similar situations although I haven't sold the wrong item yet thankfully. It's unfortunate that something that actually IS the fault of the game (if it showed up on his screen that he was selling meat, why wouldn't he confirm 3 times?) is being trolled by a douchebag.
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#40 Oct 13 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol I like if you have a stack of 999 and then you try to pass to retainer and he has 999 also; u lose your entire stack. They need buy back and some kind of recovery system. I mean really how many people are guna spend all that time getting 999 shards for example then try and store them only to find out they just lost them all.
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Lol I like if you have a stack of 999 and then you try to pass to retainer and he has 999 also; u lose your entire stack. They need buy back and some kind of recovery system. I mean really how many people are guna spend all that time getting 999 shards for example then try and store them only to find out they just lost them all.

you just answered another question i hadnt asked lol.. i gave my retainer 667 winnd shards and then another 6xx and it only had 999 and i had 0 i was wondering what happened
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