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#52 Oct 15 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
SoumaKyou wrote:
charityneverfaileth wrote:
Just looking at the ratings on this thread it seems the tide has turned. Where once people who promoted the game often got rated down, it seems that people, just by saying they're not impressed with the game are being rated down now. Now not that it's any of my business to tell people what, when or how they should rate, but it doesn't really seem right to rate people down just because they don't share your perspective, especially if they aren't being offensive. I've been fairly rated down for being offensive before and accept that, but remember the golden rule people. Though I am definitely a pro-ffxiv person, I know it doesn't feel nice to be rated down just because you shared an opinion. I haven't seen too many negative responses here that were offensive, yet they were almost all rated down to a man. Think we can do better guys :)

Are you sure? The haters are getting rated up. I'm personally getting karma bombed for saying the game isn't that bad. I don't even care about the whole karma thing, but I do think it's amusing.


Seems to be in this thread at least. Most of the pro comments seem to have been rated up to good, while most of the bad comments seem to be rated down to decent or default. Maybe it's a case of people being tired of complaining in general, don't know. I just remember, around the time I took a break from these forums for being tired of complaining myself, seeing a post where someone posted a rather nice and diplomatic thread about being rated down just for saying he liked the game. My guess is that it's happening on both sides, but I have noticed one thing. Most of the people who are sages and gurus seem to have more or less tolerant personalities, and either they are positive about the game, or constructive with their criticism. It's really just human nature taking it's course so maybe my previous post is moot, though I know I would like to see people rate more objectively than emotionally.

And though yeah, I don't think too many of us take the rating system super seriously, it is definitely a slap in the face all the same to be rated down to default just for sharing your opinion. It's one thing to centre your posts around getting good ratings, and another thing to simply feel good when you get rated up and bad when you get defaulted.
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#53 Oct 15 2010 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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No, YOU are misrepresenting Blizzard. Your post makes me wonder how long it's been since you've even played a Blizzard game


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Seems to me you might be one of the people who hang onto Ghostcrawler's every word.

You are pretty good at making assumptions about me. No, I don't hang on Ghostcrawler's every word, I simply used the example of their Lead Developer interacting directly with the players on the official forums as an example of how Blizzard handles customers better than Square, and I firmly stand by that.

It appears we will have to agree to disagree here, as I think ever point I made is absolutely valid and demonstrative of how Blizzard handles things better than Square.

Good day sir.

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 2:55pm by robywar

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 3:02pm by robywar
#54 Oct 15 2010 at 1:08 PM Rating: Default
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robywar wrote:
You are pretty good at making assumptions about me. No, I don't hang on Ghostcrawler's every word, I simply used the example of their Lead Developer interacting directly with the players on the official forums as an example of how Blizzard handles customers better than Square, and I firmly stand by that.

It appears we will have to agree to disagree here, as I think ever point I made is absolutely valid and demonstrative of how Blizzard handles things better than Square.

Good day sir.

Well, if you spend at least one day sifting through the forums, you'll find several issues where Ghostcrawler obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

Undeadhazeus wrote:
Coming from someone whos main is a hunter i find this quote to be very priceless...
Ghostcrawler wrote:
But, we can’t just buff Arcane Shot (unless it is very deep in Beast Mastery) because Survival and Marks use that too.

Was that a comment out of honest ignorance (You dont play hunters enough), or was it a mistake or typo?

That's pertaining to Survival's main shot being Explosive Shot and sharing a cooldown with Arcane Shot. The fact that Ghostcrawler said Arcane Shot is used by Survival (it isn't, in case you missed that point) just shows one of the many instances he has proven to be clueless about a class.

Trueasitis wrote:
Same guy (Ghostcrawler) said he wanted us to have mp5 on our gear since we need it in the last sizeable hunter post

Hunters never needed mp5. It's a caster stat. Ghostcrawler apparently thinks Hunters are casters.

Diane wrote:
GC's arguments aren't required to make sense. He and the other developers have decided to go a different direction and that the only excuse he needs.

Pretty much sums up the mindset of WoW's devs, and what the general populace thinks of them. Where's the user interaction there?

Ærelexian wrote:
why does this person still have a job? I am personally offended as a customer. Never would this be tolerated in any other service industry. Why is this tolerated in this service industry?


Brotherleroy wrote:
He can be a real tool and it's REALLY sickening how sooooooo many players wanna support someone who is soooooooo full of themselves......


Yup. All about Ghostcrawler. I'd look for more, but really, I'd die of old age before I can get all of them. The general concensus is that Ghostcrawler may interact with players, but he sure as **** doesn't do it as a professional.
#55 Oct 15 2010 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
Cyrus11 wrote:
Anybody else impressed with how fast SE is patching some of these issues?


A lot's been promised. We'll see what they deliver, and when. I give them credit for giving a free month, and I give them credit for talking about specifics that they're working on. Knowing the plan is the first step in executing the plan, and if they can make good on the small promises then people are naturally going to be more trusting of other, bigger promises.

Let's see how people feel in another month, when the December update still hasn't arrived, but that extra month is getting ready to expire. It's possible, depending on timing, that the December update will be the only major update to the game before it goes live on console (figure the March update would probably coincide with the launch). A lot of expectations will be resting on that magical update to fuel good will and buzz heading into that "second" launch.

TL;DR: I am cautiously optimistic, but a lot of things have to happen before I can give them a pass on what has transpired so far.

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 3:25pm by KarlHungis
#56 Oct 15 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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As much as I hate the incessant whining on the board, I agree with the primary points. These patches should have been releaced before the retail was sold. I would have rather them put the emergancy breaks on the game to impliment these patches, or at the VERY least gave the players a full head's up before buying.

In my opinion, they do not get credit for the free month. That's something they shoulden't have even done in the first place, and doing so is just a repeat of last game's history: A lesson they already should have learned. If this was their first mess up like this, I'd be more forgiving, but it's not.

The only thing that remotely impresses me is the letter from the director, a personal explination and straightforwardness as to what they plan on doing, both as their regular update schedule and what they plan on doing for the updates. It shows a bit more transparency than they usually do, but still not enough. Prostrating themselves and offically apologizing for all of this might help a little bit better. They did their fanbase a major disservice, and they need to acknowledge that publically.

I've been a fan of SE most of my life. I'm a seven year FFXI vederan and primarily a positive person in general and about the SE's games in particular. But the damage is done, even to me.

How are we to know that SE's learned their lesson this time? All the promises that this relationship with the company would be different for FFXIV than it was for FFXI has been dashed and we won't even know if they are actually going to follow through now (after they've already screwed up) until about March.

It's nice that they're trying at least to get back on track and follow through, but there's no mistaking that this blemished them, and even my excitment about the game in the future's been tempered by this.

Even with all these promises, and the free month I'm going to give them a while to work things out before I dive in again. I hope the best for this game but I personally am going to need some calm time away from all of this before I try to rapture myself in the world again.

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 4:52pm by Hyrist
#57 Oct 15 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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SoumaKyou wrote:
If you're still unhappy with the direction Square is going, why are you still here? It's obvious that nothing they do, short of turning water into wine, will alleviate the hatred you've got for the game. It's not enough for you that they've obviously seen what they've done wrong and are listening to the players for once. That's more than I can say for other companies who wait until a major expansion just to have their users PAY for improvements.


I don't think their listening to the players, I think their listening to the bad reviews and the mass cancellations.
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