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#1 Oct 14 2010 at 1:56 AM Rating: Decent
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So I used to play FFXI, started in the initial beta and played a few years after its release. Then I came back a year or two later and found my characters still around. started crafting and leveling new jobs and quit again few months later.
I really enjoyed the game, but once I got my black mage to 75 and got all the top gear for it, didn't know what to do as I wasn't in mood for the XP grind I went through on my mage.

I actually found a new copy of FFXIV on ebay for $25 and bought it today, but all I read is bad reviews of the game. You guys have played it is it really bad in comparison with FFXI. I read that it has no direction etc.. but FFXI didn't either, every quest mission I did it seemed I had to look up online to find out who to talk to etc....

Please let me know if I should open it or re-sell it on ebay.
#2 Oct 14 2010 at 2:00 AM Rating: Excellent
Why not play it yourself and form your own opinions? After all, that's the only one that really counts. You're going to get about 100 different opposing opinions asking something like this.
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#3djairrick, Posted: Oct 14 2010 at 2:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Really another stupid question thread.. READ THE FORUMS! This same question gets asked a million times a day... matter of fact NO THE GAME IS HORRIBLE.. please dont sign up and join my server so I have to tell you where the repair NPC is or listen to you ask for groups for leves..
#4 Oct 14 2010 at 2:02 AM Rating: Good
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Why not play it yourself and form your own opinions? After all, that's the only one that really counts. You're going to get about 100 different opposing opinions asking something like this.


I'm surprised. I didn't expect the first response to this question to be one so... real. hahah
You must be one of those important, level-headed administrator types.

And since it'd be a waste of a post to just say "I agree with this guy" I'll just say that the game requires patience. Simple as that.
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#5 Oct 14 2010 at 2:04 AM Rating: Good
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Osa is right. I personally decided not to play the game until SE brings it up to what I think is a reasonable standard. But since you only spent $25 on it, you might as well play it and form your own opinions about the game instead of listening to everyone else's. Who knows, it may be your cup of tea, but it's not mine.



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#6 Oct 14 2010 at 2:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Please don't give me your F'ing Douche Bag responses.
If you don't want to answer it then don't answer. Im simply asking the opinions from people who played FFXI and now play XIV. Not looking for a bunch of Snide remarks

#7 Oct 14 2010 at 2:06 AM Rating: Default
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Jacobbones88 wrote:
Please don't give me your F'ing Douche Bag responses.
If you don't want to answer it then don't answer. Im simply asking the opinions from people who played FFXI and now play XIV. Not looking for a bunch of Snide remarks




Well if you simply scroll down a little you will see the same question... its not that hard.. obviously you read the forums because you signed up.. dont tell me you didnt see anyone EVER ask this question before..

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 4:07am by djairrick
#8 Oct 14 2010 at 2:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Jacobbones88 wrote:
Please don't give me your F'ing Douche Bag responses.
If you don't want to answer it then don't answer. Im simply asking the opinions from people who played FFXI and now play XIV. Not looking for a bunch of Snide remarks



Can we keep giving you the snide remarks anyway? That seemed much more fun.
Rage-taunting aside, Osarion's post is still applicable.
The people who've played FFXI are going to give you a multitude of answers. Like other people have said as well, spending five minutes scrolling through the forum will give you plenty of opinions to formulate your own opinions about how the game is going to be played relative to FFXI.

Spoiler alert:
There's no auction house.
And the games only been out for less than a month, as opposed to the several years FFXI has had to iron out all of its problems.
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#9 Oct 14 2010 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
I agree with Osarion. Everything you experience in life is subject to YOUR perception of those events. One Guy may see the birth of his little girl (as I did) as the defining moment of his life. Another may be horrified by the experience and have nightmares forever afterward.

I suggest you play the game. Then decide.


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#10 Oct 14 2010 at 6:39 AM Rating: Default
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No really, it's as bad as you think and worse. Avoid...for now.
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#11 Oct 14 2010 at 6:51 AM Rating: Default
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It's a boring game by anyones standards. This is fact.
You will do the same thing you did, 10 minutes in to the game, forever.

There is no content at the moment. The game feels exactly like beta.
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#12 Oct 14 2010 at 7:03 AM Rating: Default
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Jacobbones88 wrote:
So I used to play FFXI, started in the initial beta and played a few years after its release. Then I came back a year or two later and found my characters still around. started crafting and leveling new jobs and quit again few months later.
I really enjoyed the game, but once I got my black mage to 75 and got all the top gear for it, didn't know what to do as I wasn't in mood for the XP grind I went through on my mage.

I actually found a new copy of FFXIV on ebay for $25 and bought it today, but all I read is bad reviews of the game. You guys have played it is it really bad in comparison with FFXI. I read that it has no direction etc.. but FFXI didn't either, every quest mission I did it seemed I had to look up online to find out who to talk to etc....

Please let me know if I should open it or re-sell it on ebay.


By my own standars and by the standars of many of my linkshell mates we really like this game and find it to be incredibly enjoyable and addictive. So I just turned all those replies into filthy lies.

If there's something SE did right in FFXIV, and thats undenieable, is eleminate the need for grinding. So I think you might find it as a nice breath of clean air if you have a PC powerful enough to handle the crappy UI and mind blowing graphics.
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#13 Oct 14 2010 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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djairrick wrote:
Really another stupid question thread.. READ THE FORUMS! This same question gets asked a million times a day... matter of fact NO THE GAME IS HORRIBLE.. please dont sign up and join my server so I have to tell you where the repair NPC is or listen to you ask for groups for leves..

ugh

EDITED - 1 post count.. big surprise there.. people enough with the fail sock accounts its obvious

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 4:02am by djairrick


So I guess 14 posts makes you a bigshot on ZAM huh? Everyone on this board had a 1 post count sometime or other. People like you are no better than the so-called "stupid people" you flame.
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#14 Oct 14 2010 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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Is anyone gonna buy it on eBay?

If you're not gonna actually get anything for it, just open it and play.

But if you can get like $30 for it, do that and buy a cool DS game.
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#15 Oct 14 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
Jacobbones88 wrote:
So I used to play FFXI, started in the initial beta and played a few years after its release. Then I came back a year or two later and found my characters still around. started crafting and leveling new jobs and quit again few months later.
I really enjoyed the game, but once I got my black mage to 75 and got all the top gear for it, didn't know what to do as I wasn't in mood for the XP grind I went through on my mage.

I actually found a new copy of FFXIV on ebay for $25 and bought it today, but all I read is bad reviews of the game. You guys have played it is it really bad in comparison with FFXI. I read that it has no direction etc.. but FFXI didn't either, every quest mission I did it seemed I had to look up online to find out who to talk to etc....

Please let me know if I should open it or re-sell it on ebay.


By my own standars and by the standars of many of my linkshell mates we really like this game and find it to be incredibly enjoyable and addictive. So I just turned all those replies into filthy lies.

If there's something SE did right in FFXIV, and thats undenieable, is eleminate the need for grinding. So I think you might find it as a nice breath of clean air if you have a PC powerful enough to handle the crappy UI and mind blowing graphics.



Oh, it's you again. Yeah, that bolded statement? Either you're dumber than I thought, or you have a much better sense of humor than I expected. The ONLY thing you do in FFXIV is grind. Grind crafting, grind gathering, grind mobs... you know, besides your eight levequests every day and a half. There IS NOTHING ELSE to do in FFXIV right now.
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#16 Oct 14 2010 at 9:33 AM Rating: Good
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It's subjective. Think for yourself.

I'm having a blast playing, so is everyone in my linkshell. Just because it's not up to a mainstream standard yet, doesn't mean you won't have fun.

#17 Oct 14 2010 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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I'm enjoying it a lot. I really like the crafting system
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hexaemeron wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Jacobbones88 wrote:
So I used to play FFXI, started in the initial beta and played a few years after its release. Then I came back a year or two later and found my characters still around. started crafting and leveling new jobs and quit again few months later.
I really enjoyed the game, but once I got my black mage to 75 and got all the top gear for it, didn't know what to do as I wasn't in mood for the XP grind I went through on my mage.

I actually found a new copy of FFXIV on ebay for $25 and bought it today, but all I read is bad reviews of the game. You guys have played it is it really bad in comparison with FFXI. I read that it has no direction etc.. but FFXI didn't either, every quest mission I did it seemed I had to look up online to find out who to talk to etc....

Please let me know if I should open it or re-sell it on ebay.


By my own standars and by the standars of many of my linkshell mates we really like this game and find it to be incredibly enjoyable and addictive. So I just turned all those replies into filthy lies.

If there's something SE did right in FFXIV, and thats undenieable, is eleminate the need for grinding. So I think you might find it as a nice breath of clean air if you have a PC powerful enough to handle the crappy UI and mind blowing graphics.



Oh, it's you again. Yeah, that bolded statement? Either you're dumber than I thought, or you have a much better sense of humor than I expected. The ONLY thing you do in FFXIV is grind. Grind crafting, grind gathering, grind mobs... you know, besides your eight levequests every day and a half. There IS NOTHING ELSE to do in FFXIV right now.



The "mind blowing graphics" was a bit of a stretch too. They are good graphics for an MMO, but "mind blowing"? Really?..If you've plyed any PC game made in the past 5 years you would probably see better.
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Why not play it yourself and form your own opinions? After all, that's the only one that really counts. You're going to get about 100 different opposing opinions asking something like this.


Is the game free now? o.O I was assuming people would want general opinions since you have to spend money on buying the game or was I wrong? Saying play it yourself means putting money into a company that have delivered a shoddy product, the reason I'm so annoyed about 14 is cause I bought something that had so little effort put into it, failed to live upto the standards I expected and failed to live upto the FF name.

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So I used to play FFXI, started in the initial beta and played a few years after its release. Then I came back a year or two later and found my characters still around. started crafting and leveling new jobs and quit again few months later.


I played fFXI for 7-8 years and I still enjoy it, to me FF14 is not only terrible but I'm insulted it was put out in the state it is in and I was fooled into buying it. So no it's not worth it at all, it might be in a year or two but it might not even then. Most people that buy it hate it, some that play it and continue to do so play on cause they hope it will get better, it's universally panned by the reviewing press. It's crap.
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I used to play FFXI for quite a while and I recently bought both Front Mission and FFXIV. I have played a lot of different games ever since I quit FFXI and I'm certain that FFXIV isn't a bad game. However, it's not a great game either. I'd say it's "A beta that looks promising but is about 3-6 months too early to make people pay for it". The quality of FFXIV in terms of graphic/music...etc is actually worth $50 package cause I was really dazzled. If you could get roughly 10-20 hours of fun out of a $50 game and I'd call that a 'decent' game. However, FFXIV isn't worth enough for the monthly price tag at this stage for me.

Personally, I'd wait for another year or until SE start selling FFXIV bundle at less than $30 (with 1 month free).
#21 Oct 14 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Re: is the game really as bad as you've been reading.

No.
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
Jacobbones88 wrote:
So I used to play FFXI, started in the initial beta and played a few years after its release. Then I came back a year or two later and found my characters still around. started crafting and leveling new jobs and quit again few months later.
I really enjoyed the game, but once I got my black mage to 75 and got all the top gear for it, didn't know what to do as I wasn't in mood for the XP grind I went through on my mage.

I actually found a new copy of FFXIV on ebay for $25 and bought it today, but all I read is bad reviews of the game. You guys have played it is it really bad in comparison with FFXI. I read that it has no direction etc.. but FFXI didn't either, every quest mission I did it seemed I had to look up online to find out who to talk to etc....

Please let me know if I should open it or re-sell it on ebay.


By my own standars and by the standars of many of my linkshell mates we really like this game and find it to be incredibly enjoyable and addictive. So I just turned all those replies into filthy lies.

If there's something SE did right in FFXIV, and thats undenieable, is eleminate the need for grinding. So I think you might find it as a nice breath of clean air if you have a PC powerful enough to handle the crappy UI and mind blowing graphics.



You're either retarded.. or you're trolling... "elimate the need for grinding" are you a bot that is unaffected by endless grinding?... This game is all grind and no "real" adventure .. let's face it.. Their are not that many remarkable landscape in this game.. you've seen it once you've seen it a million times.. the only thing that is remotely unique in this game is that one dragon tower in the middle of nowhere.. everything else is cliche and have been done to death by other games..

O nice hills and green grass with tiny litte rats crawling around.. Dang how unique.. see my point? FFXIV did absolutely nothing right in this game.. 1. In this day and age people need to feel achieved and progressed no matter how much they play a game.. In FFXIV case.. there are no achievements and the levels are painstakinly hard to level.. The curve for leveling as far as I can tell.. should be take about 50% long to cap level as FFXI .. Believe it or not.. this game is close to as grindy as Silkroad Online was... I kid you not..

Story.. what a joke.. So I get 1 epic every 10 levels... really? Story is what seperates an MMO from another MMO... So I was going somewhere and just happen to bump in some girl with steel boots and tiny creepy looking midget... I helped them kill a tree that moves.. (ents anyone?) Another story.. I helped defend a city against a giant monster... Could this game be anymore cliche? Then I helped defend a boat... Such uniqueness.. What the ****? This is of course just one cities story... the others don't really do much better... city was under attack by monsters I came and help.. oh dam I helped killed it and survived.. GASP!!.. lore helps too.. but seeing how this game doesn't follow any previously established story.. there is no LORE.. unless SE can fake stuff that well and not sound cliche.. (the game is already cliche as it is)

All you are really playing is a sloppily created game.. with little to lack of story... no I don't feel like reading crap off wikipedias..and no I don't feel like reading walls of text located within the game.. i want either voice overs... or small tidbits quests in between levels that can describe the story to me.. LOTRO did this best.. Guild wars did this pretty well as well..

Don't even get my started on the UI.. the and the terribad customer service.. This would become a 20 paragraph post..

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 12:51pm by nick2412
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#23 Oct 14 2010 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Lol @ all the idiots complaining about the grind when every MMO to date is all about grinding if you want to hit the level cap before everyone else.

WoW - Grind dungeon mobs all day.
FFXI - Grind all day with a party.
GW - Grind all day for extra abilities if you actually want to be viable.
EQ - Grind... grind some more.
EQ2 - See above.

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is like complaining that your fries are made of potatoes.
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If you enjoy the parts that many people call grinding, then it really doesnt feel like grinding. probably why MajidahSihaam says the grinding was eliminated.
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#25 Oct 14 2010 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Lol @ all the idiots complaining about the grind when every MMO to date is all about grinding if you want to hit the level cap before everyone else.

WoW - Grind dungeon mobs all day.
FFXI - Grind all day with a party.
GW - Grind all day for extra abilities if you actually want to be viable.
EQ - Grind... grind some more.
EQ2 - See above.

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is like complaining that your fries are made of potatoes.


Okay, Rhodes scholar. Yes, those games have grind elements to them but it's presented in a way that widely masks or adds depth to it. There is no mask. There is no depth. It's just "Go kill things until you can access your next cutscene."

OMG SO EARTH-SHAKING! Truly next-gen. You're absolutely right.
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There are some very nice things about FFXIV, but they are almost overshadowed by the lack of an auction house coupled with the lack of anything but the lowest level gear from npcs. When you have to search through hundreds of bazaars to find your next weapon or armor, the demand is never satisfied. And since there is no real competition between crafters, the prices are very high. As a result, even more than FFXI, there is a burning need to earn gil. Fortunately, there are a lot of ways to do it, and since you get skillups and xp for virtually everything you do, you are at least advancing your character while you farm, harvest, or craft for gil. It forces everyone to be a generalist, however, instead of getting one or two things to a high level.

I'm going to keep playing it, because I like the challenge, but it is not a fast game for those who have no patience. I understand FFXI originally started without an AH, but SE added one early on. Hopefully, they will do something similar here. Their notion of allocating different areas for different kind of bazaars will be an improvement but it will still make getting a piece of gear a time sink that is not fun and does not advance your character.
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#27 Oct 14 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
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If you enjoy the parts that many people call grinding, then it really doesnt feel like grinding. probably why MajidahSihaam says the grinding was eliminated.


Leves were designed to provide a good ammount of EXP and SP through a number of different activities that don't consume much time and are limited to 8 every 33 hours.

You can't grind leves even if you tried. It just wasn't designed that way.

They already mentioned new types of leves will be released in the future, and I think the current types are a good start.

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hexaemeron wrote:
SoumaKyou wrote:
Lol @ all the idiots complaining about the grind when every MMO to date is all about grinding if you want to hit the level cap before everyone else.

WoW - Grind dungeon mobs all day.
FFXI - Grind all day with a party.
GW - Grind all day for extra abilities if you actually want to be viable.
EQ - Grind... grind some more.
EQ2 - See above.

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is like complaining that your fries are made of potatoes.


Okay, Rhodes scholar. Yes, those games have grind elements to them but it's presented in a way that widely masks or adds depth to it. There is no mask. There is no depth. It's just "Go kill things until you can access your next cutscene."

OMG SO EARTH-SHAKING! Truly next-gen. You're absolutely right.

So "fun" to you is waiting for someone to tell you to grind something when you could've gone and done it yourself?

Sorry, but someone telling me to kill 40 Scorpions, when I'd already killed 90 before he asked me to, isn't any more "fun" than going out and doing it myself.

But no, it isn't possible that some people may actually like the fact that the mob they're killing drops the mats and shards needed to also raise their crafting level, instead of having an NPC tell him to go kill something that has no added benefit at all aside from distracting him from what he was doing by making him do something exactly the same.

That's "earthshaking" and "next-gen" to you?
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SoumaKyou wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
SoumaKyou wrote:
Lol @ all the idiots complaining about the grind when every MMO to date is all about grinding if you want to hit the level cap before everyone else.

WoW - Grind dungeon mobs all day.
FFXI - Grind all day with a party.
GW - Grind all day for extra abilities if you actually want to be viable.
EQ - Grind... grind some more.
EQ2 - See above.

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is like complaining that your fries are made of potatoes.


Okay, Rhodes scholar. Yes, those games have grind elements to them but it's presented in a way that widely masks or adds depth to it. There is no mask. There is no depth. It's just "Go kill things until you can access your next cutscene."

OMG SO EARTH-SHAKING! Truly next-gen. You're absolutely right.

So "fun" to you is waiting for someone to tell you to grind something when you could've gone and done it yourself?

Sorry, but someone telling me to kill 40 Scorpions, when I'd already killed 90 before he asked me to, isn't any more "fun" than going out and doing it myself.

But no, it isn't possible that some people may actually like the fact that the mob they're killing drops the mats and shards needed to also raise their crafting level, instead of having an NPC tell him to go kill something that has no added benefit at all aside from distracting him from what he was doing by making him do something exactly the same.

That's "earthshaking" and "next-gen" to you?



Is it possible? Absolutely. It's also possible that some guys like women to wear stiletto heels and crunch their nuts. Doesn't mean the majority of people would enjoy that. Because clearly, the critical response from reviewers and players alike says, no, we don't like it.
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hexaemeron wrote:
SoumaKyou wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
SoumaKyou wrote:
Lol @ all the idiots complaining about the grind when every MMO to date is all about grinding if you want to hit the level cap before everyone else.

WoW - Grind dungeon mobs all day.
FFXI - Grind all day with a party.
GW - Grind all day for extra abilities if you actually want to be viable.
EQ - Grind... grind some more.
EQ2 - See above.

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is like complaining that your fries are made of potatoes.


Okay, Rhodes scholar. Yes, those games have grind elements to them but it's presented in a way that widely masks or adds depth to it. There is no mask. There is no depth. It's just "Go kill things until you can access your next cutscene."

OMG SO EARTH-SHAKING! Truly next-gen. You're absolutely right.

So "fun" to you is waiting for someone to tell you to grind something when you could've gone and done it yourself?

Sorry, but someone telling me to kill 40 Scorpions, when I'd already killed 90 before he asked me to, isn't any more "fun" than going out and doing it myself.

But no, it isn't possible that some people may actually like the fact that the mob they're killing drops the mats and shards needed to also raise their crafting level, instead of having an NPC tell him to go kill something that has no added benefit at all aside from distracting him from what he was doing by making him do something exactly the same.

That's "earthshaking" and "next-gen" to you?



Is it possible? Absolutely. It's also possible that some guys like women to wear stiletto heels and crunch their nuts. Doesn't mean the majority of people would enjoy that. Because clearly, the critical response from reviewers and players alike says, no, we don't like it.

Yeah but it's human nature to ***** and moan about every little thing. It's just stupid that all the negative reviewers somehow think that just because they hate the game, that everyone should too.

The reason you see more ******** and moaning is because the ******** and moaners are a more vocal bunch than are the people who like the game. What's sad is that a lot of the things you ***** and moan about are present in every single MMO out there.

Am I saying the game is perfect? Far from it. Doesn't mean it's complete trash like some of you guys like to make it out to be.

FWIW, some of us prefer the Punk rock chicks who spit on whoever crosses them the wrong way, over the Preppy good girl who caters to our every need.

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 1:59pm by SoumaKyou
#31 Oct 14 2010 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol @ all the idiots complaining about the grind when every MMO to date is all about grinding if you want to hit the level cap before everyone else.

WoW - Grind dungeon mobs all day.
FFXI - Grind all day with a party.
GW - Grind all day for extra abilities if you actually want to be viable.
EQ - Grind... grind some more.
EQ2 - See above.

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is like complaining that your fries are made of potatoes.




I beg to differ...during my journey from 1-80 in WoW, I felt pretty much completely engaged in a story about my character. Not ONE time did I head out with the intent simply to 'grind' some exp. GRANTED...some of my goals were GRIND oriented...i.e. getting the winterspring frost-saber mount...BUT...it was NOT necessary.

I have spent HOURS in this game simply traveling from newbie zone to far-flung areas trying to find mobs to get DECENT exp from. It's ridiculous to me that 100-feet from a 'blue' mob...there are 'red' mobs that can 1-shot me for 4,000 damage. What fly-wing pulling mental case thought it would be 'funny' to put such mobs at bottle-necks between newbie zone-lines/paths?

I treat people how they treat me, not how I want to be treated...so my lack of sympathy for SE & FFXIV is self-explanatory.
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So I used to play FFXI, started in the initial beta and played a few years after its release. Then I came back a year or two later and found my characters still around. started crafting and leveling new jobs and quit again few months later.
I really enjoyed the game, but once I got my black mage to 75 and got all the top gear for it, didn't know what to do as I wasn't in mood for the XP grind I went through on my mage.

I actually found a new copy of FFXIV on ebay for $25 and bought it today, but all I read is bad reviews of the game. You guys have played it is it really bad in comparison with FFXI. I read that it has no direction etc.. but FFXI didn't either, every quest mission I did it seemed I had to look up online to find out who to talk to etc....

Please let me know if I should open it or re-sell it on ebay.


Many of the reviews I've read accurately describe the glaring problems with the game. The main issue is the UI is horrendous and that leads to many other issues that make the game tedious.

I wouldn't advise buying it. At the very least wait until the PS3 release and see if has improved by then.


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#35 Oct 14 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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To the OP -

There are a lot of irrational people on these boards still finding some enjoyment out of the Alpha testing stage of a game we call FFXIV. But definitely re-sell it. Don't waste your time, money, and patience learning an unfinished game. In a year this game will play entirely different, and should be more enjoyable then. Let them finish it before you purchase it.
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WOW, for example. hides their grinding in interesting activities, and rewarding you along the way with gold/gear, even if its crappy. By level 8-9 I couldnt get a full in 8 rank 10 leves, you have to grind. In 14, its killing mobs in a circle. In wow, you're at least encouraged and rewarded for moving around. I'm not saying its not a grind, because all games have that, however its a much more enjoyable one than 14.
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SoumaKyou wrote:

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is like complaining that your fries are made of potatoes.

Thats why i eat yam fries... YUM!
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Personally, I would wait and see how it turns out in a few months. FFXIV has the potential to be a great game, it just depends on how SE decides to go forward with it. But in its current state? IMO, not worth the hassle.
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>.> if you think WoW has a story, then I bet you think Iron Man 2 has a great story as well...

Especially when you consider his entire essential struggle over life can be avoided by a 12 volt car battery.

That is pretty much WoW for me.

As for MMORPG cliche stories... well wake up. No MMORPG has "original" story. Heck there are only 36 possible elements to any story - as discovered by Greeks in the B.C.s. So how is that in any way relevant?

You guys have some serious issues :) {Objectivity} {Do you need any help with that?}

FFXIV is seriously not ready to be released :/ but you guys complains are boarding on being juvenile tantrums. Trying to exaggerate the problem with some pesudo big logic only make you look dumb, and not add validity to your claims. Better off just stat the facts and put as little spin on it as possible.

As for OP's question. I played because my friend asked me to play. The game is more fun with friends. Unfortunately as it stands the game is not designed to be social. You cannot know where your friends are without actually asking them. There is no /sea. /tell is a hassel because you have to type both first and last name now - and some of them are quite long. Your linkshell management ability is akin to stoneage technology - you can only elevate/demote/kick someone if you are there with them in person... and since you can't /sea them, it means you have to either bump into them by chance, or scour the world for them. etc. etc.

That being said, I still have fun, but I was a Fisherman main in FFXI so that says alot about my personality. If your goal is UBERLOOT so you can show the n00bz how awesome you are, then this is not the game for you. The game as it stands right now, have no UBERLOOT and everyone is n00bz.

There are fun to be had, I just had a fun run with a JP Player from Ferry to Ul'dan last night. We sat in the Ship's Cabin and tried to figure out how to communicate with Auto-translate (and let me tell you it is a bitter disappointment, the auto-translate in FFXIV is a dramatic backwards step).

Or 2 days ago I teamed with random stranger for Battlewarden Leve and they joined our LS after. Or yesterday I teamed up with a newbie Archer and leveled our Marauder together.

Fun is out there - but it is not the type of fun that is about gloating or showing your awesomeness or belittling others.
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WoW allowed you to mod the UI to enhance the base UI experience. So it's a little more forgivable than being locked into 1998 with FF14. I know I'm not going to change your mind or anything, but ****, living in your world must be fascinating.

Living in my own world? Hardly. I never once said FFXIV is good. I'm saying it's not far from the release status as other games in terms of features, bugs, and general playability. I'm looking at the release for what it is: a release. I don't expect a completely finished product for another few months, unlike you guys who somehow think you're entitled to every single feature out of the box. That's not how MMO's work, sorry.

WoW's addon ability was a cop out to make up for whatever features they were missing, and that only went as deep as the UI. Regardless, user-made mods do not count as original game content.
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This guy is a perfect example of FFXIV's irrational die-hards. They feel ashamed for wasting their money on a game still stuck in the Alpha stages of testing so they frantically try to justify their purchase and it just doesn't work.

Or, you know, I could possibly genuinely be enjoying it.

Oh, right, you're one of those retards who don't think others should have a different opinion about something than your own. Otherwise, it makes them "irrational."
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Velgauder wrote:
This guy is a perfect example of FFXIV's irrational die-hards. They feel ashamed for wasting their money on a game still stuck in the Alpha stages of testing so they frantically try to justify their purchase and it just doesn't work.

Or, you know, I could possibly genuinely be enjoying it.

Oh, right, you're one of those retards who don't think others should have a different opinion about something than your own. Otherwise, it makes them "irrational."


It's certainly possible to enjoy it, but with so many other enjoyable MMOs... ones that are completed are MORE enjoyable, it's almost irrational to keep on with this one at this phase.

I guess what I'm saying is... If you enjoy this, there are MANY MMOs you will enjoy more.

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 3:14pm by Velgauder
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How many other mmos allow me to change classes and level up everything in the game? How many other mmos have this type of crafting system?

Yeah, how about, nope, nota, none.
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Velgauder wrote:
SoumaKyou wrote:
Velgauder wrote:
This guy is a perfect example of FFXIV's irrational die-hards. They feel ashamed for wasting their money on a game still stuck in the Alpha stages of testing so they frantically try to justify their purchase and it just doesn't work.

Or, you know, I could possibly genuinely be enjoying it.

Oh, right, you're one of those retards who don't think others should have a different opinion about something than your own. Otherwise, it makes them "irrational."


It's certainly possible to enjoy it, but with so many other enjoyable MMOs... ones that are completed are MORE enjoyable, it's almost irrational to keep on with this one at this phase.

I guess what I'm saying is... If you enjoy this, there are MANY MMOs you will enjoy more.

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 3:14pm by Velgauder

Different strokes for different folks.

Played Ragnarok Online to endgame. Loved it.

Played FFXI to endgame. Loved it.

Played WoW to endgame. Completely bored with it, and the lore never interested me to begin with.

Played EQ2. Hated it.

Played Vanguard. It was terrible.

Played Guild Wars. It wasn't nearly as good as everyone made it out to be. Fairly boring, actually.

Played CoH/CoV. Hated it.

Like I said, I'm taking FFXIV for what it is. FFXI was no better at its release, and look how good it became. Saying that there's no hope for this game is just as bad as saying it's the best game ever, because while it's not great now, you can't deny the amount of potential it has.

Quite frankly, the class system in this game alone is more content than 95% of the MMO's out there on release.

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 3:23pm by SoumaKyou
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How many other mmos allow me to change classes and level up everything in the game? How many other mmos have this type of crafting system?

Yeah, how about, nope, nota, none.


You can keep the torturous crafting. I like challenge, not sheer dumb luck. The class system is good, but man the classes are just outright dull.
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This thread is far and away a bigger waste of time than FFXIV so if you're still reading this OP, it's worth the $25 to have something better to do than listen to these morons argue about who's opinion is right.

They're OPINIONS, none of them are "right," stop arguing like you're going to change the other person's mind about what's fun and what isn't.

OP I say $25 is a small price to pay to try out a new Final Fantasy but if that's a substantial investment for you, I'd say hold off a few months at least, because there's a better chance that you won't waste your money that way.
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