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#52 Oct 14 2010 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Ipwnrice wrote:
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SoumaKyou wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
SoumaKyou wrote:
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Lol @ all the idiots complaining about the grind when every MMO to date is all about grinding if you want to hit the level cap before everyone else.

WoW - Grind dungeon mobs all day.
FFXI - Grind all day with a party.
GW - Grind all day for extra abilities if you actually want to be viable.
EQ - Grind... grind some more.
EQ2 - See above.

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is like complaining that your fries are made of potatoes.


Okay, Rhodes scholar. Yes, those games have grind elements to them but it's presented in a way that widely masks or adds depth to it. There is no mask. There is no depth. It's just "Go kill things until you can access your next cutscene."

OMG SO EARTH-SHAKING! Truly next-gen. You're absolutely right.

So "fun" to you is waiting for someone to tell you to grind something when you could've gone and done it yourself?

Sorry, but someone telling me to kill 40 Scorpions, when I'd already killed 90 before he asked me to, isn't any more "fun" than going out and doing it myself.

But no, it isn't possible that some people may actually like the fact that the mob they're killing drops the mats and shards needed to also raise their crafting level, instead of having an NPC tell him to go kill something that has no added benefit at all aside from distracting him from what he was doing by making him do something exactly the same.

That's "earthshaking" and "next-gen" to you?



Is it possible? Absolutely. It's also possible that some guys like women to wear stiletto heels and crunch their nuts. Doesn't mean the majority of people would enjoy that. Because clearly, the critical response from reviewers and players alike says, no, we don't like it.

Yeah but it's human nature to ***** and moan about every little thing. It's just stupid that all the negative reviewers somehow think that just because they hate the game, that everyone should too.

The reason you see more ******** and moaning is because the ******** and moaners are a more vocal bunch than are the people who like the game. What's sad is that a lot of the things you ***** and moan about are present in every single MMO out there.

Am I saying the game is perfect? Far from it. Doesn't mean it's complete trash like some of you guys like to make it out to be.

FWIW, some of us prefer the Punk rock chicks who spit on whoever crosses them the wrong way, over the Preppy good girl who caters to our every need.

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 1:59pm by SoumaKyou


Human nature to ***** about every little thing? You know why that's so easy here? We don't have to go LOOKING for them. There's an ocean of "every little things" here. Any defense of this game is... specious and strains credulity.

As for people ******** about things that are present in other games... I don't recall anyone ******** (and I'll be generous here, let's say the last five years) about the total lack of an auction house or player wares search, total half-assed PC-optimized controls, completely bass ackwards UI (because really, we'd have to go back a LOT farther in time than five years ago to find one anything like FFXIV's), the broken experience gains, the lack of experience accrual for HEALERS, and on... and on and on...

Lag? Lack of content? Sure. Those run the spectrum, but FFXIV's issues go past programming into half-baked, ill-conceived conceptual failures, all of which are not and could not be present in any other game.

And frankly, if you feel like paying for punishment, that's your choice, of course. I can't really do that though.


So a better use of your time is spend every second in the game you absolutely loathe's forum preaching to everyone about how awful it is? I haven't seen a single post from you indicate that you have any or at all faith in this improving so really why are you still around? FFXIV failed for you but now you have a personal vendetta to make sure you can convince anyone who is enjoying it that they're wrong and are a glutton for punishment.

You know what I did when I last played a game I didn't like? I quit and moved on (that was Aion if you're wondering), I didn't sit around in its forums for weeks on end with my little crusade to change everyone's opinion of it. Come back in a few months if you are legitimately interested in changes they make, otherwise what benefit is it to you and to the people enjoying for you to be here?


Because when I'm at work and my students are working on something, I need something to occupy my time. Might as well save as many people from buying this unaware of the mess it is as I possibly can.
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#53 Oct 14 2010 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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I played FFXI for something like 6 years and I'm genuinely enjoying FFXIV. Are there some glaring flaws? Oh yes. Would I recommend it to a typical MMO gamer? Probably not, at least at this point. I think it has tons of potential however. If you're willing to stick it out for 6 months to a year until the game comes into its own, I don't think you'll be ultimately diappointed. If you feel you have that sort of "labor of love" in you, it may be beneficial to go ahead and get a head start despite the flaws. Otherwise i'd recommend keeping an eye on it over the next 6 months to see what kind of changes are made. Realistically, that's how I view it though I can honestly tell you that I personally look forward to logging in each day.
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#54 Oct 14 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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OP, you bought a copy, so you're obviously interested in it. I'd say try it out for yourself. Personally, I think its a bad game. I don't think it stacks up to the other MMOs available right now, and most mainstream reviews, and alot of people on these boards agree with me. But theres also alot of people who love it. So try it out for yourself, 25$ is a small price to pay for a game you could love for years.
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#55 Oct 14 2010 at 2:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kaelia88 wrote:
I think it has tons of potential however. If you're willing to stick it out for 6 months to a year until the game comes into its own, I don't think you'll be ultimately diappointed. If you feel you have that sort of "labor of love" in you, it may be beneficial to go ahead and get a head start despite the flaws. Otherwise i'd recommend keeping an eye on it over the next 6 months to see what kind of changes are made. Realistically, that's how I view it though I can honestly tell you that I personally look forward to logging in each day.


I'm sorry, but after playing the alpha/beta since last June, reading and posting on the feedback forums for 4 months, and having our thoughts and opinions completely ignored by SE...having paid $1k to upgrade my pc...pre-ordering the CE with hope in my heart....to have a product like this released as finished and playable is just wrong.
I got to the point where I couldn't log in. I'd stare at my character, and log off.

I personally don't recommend it. Not at this stage. I'd say keep an eye on the forums, read about updates and patches. But don't put any money into it until SE wakes the **** up.

I canceled my sub yesterday. I salute all of you people who are slogging thru this with the hope that SE will fix things...eventually. I just don't have the stomach for it tbh.


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#56 Oct 14 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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I too have spent thousands of dollars upgrading my machine in anticipation of this game.
Although I didn't get to play in the beta, my friends were all prepared to move from 11 to 14.
Most of the LS were going.

Then in september everyone was back in 11 and no one had anything nice to say about 14.

I got my copy a bit late, (Wed, Sept 29th) Here's what I found out:

I tried getting from conjurer 1 to conjurer 10 in about 2 days. (An easy march for ff11. But harder, much harder, in 14!)

I tried changing my gear and generally fiddling with my inventory. Let me tell you. If you ever thought 11's UI was clunky, try playing 14. You'll come back to 11 thinking (wow! this interface is pretty easy to use!)

I set out to get my character a lvl 6 hemp doublet. So I examined everyone for it. After an hour of fruitless searching through bizarres I decided I'd make one myself. So, I got my pad out and planned the synth. It was then I discovered that if I was to make one of these from scratch it would take more than 15 different synths!!! (2 yarn synths, 5 cloth synths, 2 leather synths, 1 copper nugget synth, 1 copper sheet/plate synth, 1 leather strap synth, 1 copper buckle synth, 1 leather pad synth, 1 hemp sleave synth, 1 hemp double back synth, 1 hemp double front synth, 1 hemp doublet synth, and this is all from memory so I'm probably missing some steps.) Now 15 different synths was extreme for a lvl 60 piece of gear in 11! but for a lvl 6 body in 14?!?

I found I would get killed in solo play by hitting the wrong button! The "freeze your character" button. Whatever you do, don't hit the "Regiment" button in solo. I still haven't figured out how to cancel it! It's not in the manual! I don't even know why regiment is even active if there is no party! The chat window knows when you aren't in a party! Why does the regiment button *not know*?

I found that mobs can dance around and get hp back in the middle of a fight. Awesome for skill up but it seems like a bug! why does se hurry the f--k up and fix player exploits and laze around when there are mob exploits?

Why does it take 2-3 clicks to check gear wear? if gear wear is so friggin important shouldn't their be a macro for it!?!
/condition (/con feet) or something.
what about a macro for repairing stuff instead of having to shift through your inventory for stuff!
/equip main "Bronze Needle"
/repair "Hemp Robe"
should be all it takes to bring up the repair/craft interface, right?!?

anyway. that's what I found when I first played 14.

in summation. stay in 11 or wherever you are till stuff's fixed unless you *WANT* to be part of the paid beta.
#57 Oct 14 2010 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I played FFXI for 5 years. I quit FFXIV before my free month was over. It basically brings the WORSTE parts of FFXI over, makes some of the issues even WORSE than they were in FFXI, and it doesnt really take anything you loved about 11.

All the zones are GIGANTIC. Unfortunately the zones are all comprised of cut and paste scenery. Many times on my explorations I would think to myself "Didnt I just pass this bridge 5 minutes ago? Oh it's cut and pasted scenery lmao." In my opinion the only thing this game has going for it is the class system. It's really awesome being able to change classes just by changing weapons.

In my opinion of course...FFXIV is big step forward in visual quality in comparison to FFXI. Yet it's a GIGANTIC step backwards in game design, mechanics, and art direction. Really poor compared to FFXI. Many will argue that one is "new" and the other is "old". All I can say to that is...The problems with FFXIV are basic fundamentals that should have been ironed out before even putting it in alpha beta. Worste UI in the history of MMO's.

FFXIV is like Pizza with no cheese. And the pizza cooks saying "Pizza is better with no cheese, get used to it"
#58 Oct 14 2010 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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In my opinion of course...FFXIV is big step forward in visual quality in comparison to FFXI. Yet it's a GIGANTIC step backwards in ... art direction.


I agree whole heartedly.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7548/ffxi20090529160300karam.png

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/945/ffxivgame20101013013737.png

FFXIV just has more poly count, but the model design isn't as stylish as 11.

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#59 Oct 14 2010 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
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JamesX wrote:
Soezu wrote:
In my opinion of course...FFXIV is big step forward in visual quality in comparison to FFXI. Yet it's a GIGANTIC step backwards in ... art direction.


I agree whole heartedly.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7548/ffxi20090529160300karam.png

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/945/ffxivgame20101013013737.png

FFXIV just has more poly count, but the model design isn't as stylish as 11.

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I hated XI armor except for AF. I still have nightmares of the Assault Jerkin.
#60 Oct 14 2010 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
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i wouldn't even play it if you paid me $25.
#61 Oct 14 2010 at 9:12 PM Rating: Default
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After reading this thread i got so annoyed by Hexawhatshisname that i made a thread about people like him. But it got locked and maybe i shouldn't have posted it but i just couldn't resist. So Hexamegatron or wtf your name is go read it. And then afterwards dry your eyes and go find a game you like. You don't like the game and we don't like you so it might be better if you took your sad panda face and left before i have to slap some sense into you. Mmkay little man.
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#62 Oct 14 2010 at 9:35 PM Rating: Default
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This just in from our news room. It seems some people are enjoying FFXIV while others are using it to take out their fat aggressions. More on this issue at 11! Now here's a moogle in a bikini holding a pretzel!
#63 Oct 14 2010 at 11:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Heres my opinion coming from WoW, Ragnarok, LOTRO, D&D Online, Age of Conan, Warhammer online

This game blows, even compared to the failed Warhammer, I still had fun there and actually leveled 2 chars to 40. If FF14 is your first MMO game, avoid it like a cesspool of AIDS. Heres why:

- Almost non-existent tutorial in-game and official website. You need to rely on your instinct what does which and how things work. This is an impenetrable barrier of entry for a new MMORPG player.

- Marketward system: epic fail, its like ragnarok online where you peddle your gear on the street but instead of double clicking the text balloon, you have to click the person, click the icon, click browse. It takes 1 sec on each step to see what kind of stuff were sold.

- Dependability on crafting to actually gear up, so, you either look for gears in a torturous process of marketward or take up crafting for yourself (more about crafting later). There's this thing called levequest (we'll talk about it later) that sometimes give you random gear, chances of this to happen is 1 in 15 or so.

- Crafting is a tedious and over-complicated process to hide a very simple mechanic beneath. It takes 2-3 minutes to craft one with a chance to fail, materials needed are coming from 10 levels above the gear level, and most importantly, the system won't remember the recipe for you, so you must grab pen and paper to write down the recipe or alt-tab the game (which causes a crash on full screen window) to look online.

- Levequest is an abomination of standard questing in MMORPG. Developer is trying to reinvent the wheel by making sure that you must do couple extra steps before doing quest. First, you must locate a quest hub in a city which then you will need to choose the quest to a maximum of eight (yes you read that right) quests per long period of time. Afterwards, you may walk or teleport (we'll talk about that too) to the camp where the quests are located and start the quest from there. The objectives of the quest is very boring, walk to point A, Kill object B which drops object C for the quest.

- Travel is painfully slow, you can choose to walk or teleport to a previously visited camp using Anima. Each teleport costs 4 Anima and it is regenerated at the rate of 4 hours (?) per 1 Anima. This is translated to 16 hours of cooldown in real time just to get quests from city to camp. Or, you can walk 15 - 45 mins (depends on how far the camp is from the city) for a more ********* option (but hey, you are already a ********* if you play this game, might as well bring it up a notch)

- Gear damage, very common in MMORPG but FF14 added an extra flavor for masochists. Your gear break faster than any online game out there just by grinding monster. I had to repair my gear twice in 5 hours of grinding session at CITY (you can walk or teleport, read travel section) ,thats right, theres no repairer on camp whatsoever. However, SE has this genius idea of armorer profession which able to repair your gear with the right ingredient, which then you must shout around to find one near camp (very rare) or timesinks yourself to get armorer profession. I read another thread where repair cost will hit an astronomically level where basically you must get an armorer to repair your gear.

- Here are more things that you've probably read million times before, terrible UI that designed for console, randomness in skill point gain, very clunky mechanic to form a party, the much needed overhaul chat system and linkshell (**** I think majority of mechanics in FF14 are in need of major overhaul) etc...

There are other things that I want to add but can't remember them, will add them later
#64 Oct 15 2010 at 1:05 AM Rating: Good
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SoumaKyou wrote:
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Lol @ all the idiots complaining about the grind when every MMO to date is all about grinding if you want to hit the level cap before everyone else.

WoW - Grind dungeon mobs all day.
FFXI - Grind all day with a party.
GW - Grind all day for extra abilities if you actually want to be viable.
EQ - Grind... grind some more.
EQ2 - See above.

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is like complaining that your fries are made of potatoes.


Okay, Rhodes scholar. Yes, those games have grind elements to them but it's presented in a way that widely masks or adds depth to it. There is no mask. There is no depth. It's just "Go kill things until you can access your next cutscene."

OMG SO EARTH-SHAKING! Truly next-gen. You're absolutely right.

So "fun" to you is waiting for someone to tell you to grind something when you could've gone and done it yourself?

Sorry, but someone telling me to kill 40 Scorpions, when I'd already killed 90 before he asked me to, isn't any more "fun" than going out and doing it myself.

But no, it isn't possible that some people may actually like the fact that the mob they're killing drops the mats and shards needed to also raise their crafting level, instead of having an NPC tell him to go kill something that has no added benefit at all aside from distracting him from what he was doing by making him do something exactly the same.

That's "earthshaking" and "next-gen" to you?


Yes it is. You see that guy telling me to go kill 40 scorpions is giving me a story! A reason for doing whatever task I am doing. He mite have me kill them 40 scorpions becuse they jumped his wife on her way home picking frut. This gives me story and a reason to be out there doing what im doing. Every quest I do be it kill 40 scorpions or run from one town to another advances a story. And this ads depth to the world. as it is now FFXIV is a hollow shell with about as much depth as a playboy. Wait no Playboy has more story to it.

In FFXIV all I get is a short bit of crapy story every 5 or 10 lvls. The rest of the time I am grinding my *** off with no direction other than lvling up.
#65 Oct 15 2010 at 1:36 AM Rating: Default
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Why not play it yourself and form your own opinions? After all, that's the only one that really counts. You're going to get about 100 different opposing opinions asking something like this.


What they said.

That, and I feel most of the "This game is bad" comments are coming from people who dislike the massive differences between XIV and XI. Yeah they are majorly different, but in the 10hr's I've been playing so far I'm enjoying it(and I was a long time FFXI player).

Another thing to keep in mind is this game is in it's infacy, the community aspect(Important in any MMO) is still developing, I say be a part of that trailblazing crowd of first adventurers, but thats my opinion :3.
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How many other mmos allow me to change classes and level up everything in the game? How many other mmos have this type of crafting system?

Yeah, how about, nope, nota, none.


Totally agree on that, I believe the job system of FFXI is the best job system out there. And I know I am not the only one that believes that and in fact reviews would agree. FFXIV to me improves on that system, being able to change job and not have to **** around with gear changes as well. (yes you lose benefits and damage quicker).

As for the crafting, again I still believe it needs a few tweeks but the results and the leve craft system is 2nd to none. I have almost 4 crafts to rank 11 and all it cost was to buy the tools and in the case of fishing to buy the bait which was incredibly cheap. The leves on crafting is really fantastic and the only downfall is the interface when it seems to take time kneeling, synth options, select quest items, are you sure, are you sure your sure, starts synth and mini game time. That to me is the only downfall about the craft system. And the EXP/skill benefits you get from leves/synthing is super.

Yes there is flaws in the game but most of them are fixable and I still plan on buying hte PS3 version because I got a gut feeling it will be much better.
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#67 Oct 15 2010 at 2:40 AM Rating: Good
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Please don't give me your F'ing Douche Bag responses.
If you don't want to answer it then don't answer. Im simply asking the opinions from people who played FFXI and now play XIV. Not looking for a bunch of Snide remarks




Well if you simply scroll down a little you will see the same question... its not that hard.. obviously you read the forums because you signed up.. dont tell me you didnt see anyone EVER ask this question before..

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Welcome to the FF community that helps make FFXIV both fun and enjoyable =). If SE doesn't nail the coffin themselves, I've got a feeling sitting in ...any camp and shouting for ap arty to help you with a guildleve you can't solo as its an 'imposisble rank 1' guildleve won't help. You'll just watch the 25 minute timer counter down and more and more ppl pretend to not speak english or ignore oyu all the while starting their own guildleve as the symbol flashes up over and over again as ppl start guildleves.

Sad, but true. The FF community is very international, huge language barriers involved.

At the moment, I'd suggest maybe eBaying the copy again if you think you can get more than $25.00 to it. Like CraigListing it to some sucker for $40.00 and just buy it again in a year.

The game basically is a 2 out of 10 imo. It probably deserved a 7 out of 10 but -2 for bugs/polish and -1 for no real strategy/teamplay, -1 for slow leveling and -1 just plain not being much fun and rather boring.
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