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#52 Oct 14 2010 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
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Personally I'd like to see less of a penalty on cross-class gear. All gladiators look the same, all DoW look the same, and all pugilists look the same. The reason being there is a "best" gear for them all. To me, that flies in the face of the entire point of the emphasis on freedom in character customization.

Rather than seeing this "optimal rank" and "favors" nonsense, I would much rather see gear dependent upon the character's stats themselves. Equipping the gear without the proper stats results in dimished benefits, and penalties to certain stats. For example, if you equip gear that has too high of a STR requirement, you get lesser benefits from it and a DEX penalty.

That would make far more sense than the current system, and it would help let players vary their gear more. A lot of different gear types have comparable stats but very different looks. If we could mix and match without having to be concerned with the favored class, players could give themselves a unique look rather than this army of clones.
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You know what I look stupid in? Hempen Tights. I looked up what I could make from Hemp for myself and then I put them on. It looked like I took my pants off instead.
Peter pan tights.

I've got a pair of those on my crafter. I always run off and hide somewhere to craft so no one sees me in them.
#53 Oct 14 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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Has anyone here who are criticizing people for wearing a hauby actually put one on themselves to check out the stats?

As someone mentioned above, the hauby scales down extremely well to much lower than optimal levels. And with the prices for haubys down so much now, I dont' really see any problem with people wearing these things "early"
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#54 Oct 14 2010 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
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They're relatively easy to craft. They require a pretty good level in Armorer to make, but you only need two parts not from Armorer, and one of them is a stupid-simple strap (not even dyed!) If you can find a weaver to sell you the cloth, you're golden.

They scale pretty well, as other people have mentioned. You can get one a good bit earlier than is wise, sure, but you'll "grow into it".

And because people have noticed that it's good gear, they've gotten to the point it can be crafted in quality, and that it's good for a nice-sized level range for several classes... you can find them! This can't be understated. I'm reasonably sure of being able to find someone who will sell me a haubergeon without having to spend hours shouting or wandering through the wards. (Maybe this experience will improve after tomorrow; certainly I expect people making expensive armor to get their retainer in the right ward, heh!)

So we have an intersection of a nice piece of gear and crafting that doesn't require ingredients from 10 levels higher in another craft; it's little wonder that they're as popular as they are.
#55 Oct 14 2010 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Speaking as someone who originally shared the OP's thoughts on people wearing haubergeons I'll throw in my 2 cents. Seeing all these people run around in gear that severely outleveled them seemed really dumb to me based on the stat loss I noticed from other gear. That said, after seeing sooo many people running around in them, when at the time they cost over 300k a pop, I couldn't help but wonder how these people weren't noticing how crappy it was after spending all that money. So it got me thinking, maybe there's a cap to the penalty or perhaps after a number of levels it just begins to scale less severely and bought one to try it.

I can't speak for lower ranks but at rank 17 on my MRD the haubergeon was giving me about ~4 defense more than any of the other gear I had. Together with the incredibly ugly head piece I gained ~7 more defense than all of the other options. Conversely, I was somewhere around -30 on my evasion and magic defense stats vs comparable rank appropriate gear. Which is more important I'll leave to other to debate, but wouldn't having lower evasion arguably be better for gladiators purely for increased shield blocks and further more, increased shield skill ups? I say increased blocks due to the lack of evasion getting in the way.

That said, despite the stat screen saying my stats went up I "feel" like I'm taking a lot more damage in fights. Whether there's a hidden penalty being thrown in there making me take more damage, the evasion stat really is that important, or it's all placebo because I wanted to confirm that it sucked I couldn't tell you but it really does feel like I'm less durable than before.

And for reference, before equipping it Blizzard II from leve imps was hitting me for ~245 damage and now hits me for ~255 damage a hit despite my markedly lower magic defense stat from wearing the haubergeon. Makes me wonder how important magic defense is going to end up being if I only gained ~10 damage from ~30 less defense.

Also, I haven't noticed increased durability loss even with multiple deaths while wearing it(finding out the hard way how many stars is 1 too many in parties sucks). And before someone gets uppity, I didn't bother to write down the exact values but I'm very confident I'm pretty close so I said ~.
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#56 Oct 14 2010 at 6:31 PM Rating: Default
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what were you wearing before?
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#57 Oct 14 2010 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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14 Axe swinger her. I use a bone scale harness and sheep. bone scale to me looks better and it's rank 14 armor. I will get haub but when i get to rank 23-25 or so.

Gear is to expensive now anyway. People saving up are really going to have bank when the Markets become searchable and price comparisons can be more easily made.
#58 Oct 14 2010 at 7:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not everyone is spending 300k on them. In fact, I'd say the people buying them are in the minority.

What you are seeing is Gladiator/Armorers (or PUG/ARM, LNC/ARM, MRD/ARM), who can both make and repair their own gear.

The people who did save up for one likely have a hard time with the repairs costs. Also, they are becoming more and more common, I think the going rate is now 120~150k. You will probably want a friend who can fix it for you before making that purchase.

Very soon people will be swapping out for the Iron version and the price will decline. Even more steeply considering how many people are hitting ~20 Armorer. The time to make money on them is now and the window is closing.
#59 Oct 14 2010 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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But, i look **** in my bronze Hauby. Isn't that enough? :P
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#60 Oct 14 2010 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
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Pikko wrote:
You know what I look stupid in? Hempen Tights. I looked up what I could make from Hemp for myself and then I put them on. It looked like I took my pants off instead.



Was there a downside?
#61 Oct 14 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Default
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chopstx wrote:
blackjacktwentyone wrote:
I'm guilty of wearing it way ahead of optimal rank. It is a defense upgrade slightly, and the armor is very durable and easy to repair as an armorer. It's not my fault SE decided to require red ochre buffalo garbage on the rank 19 bronze scale mail. I don't think anyone on my server has it yet. Either that or the leather-workers are being stingy (big surprise there). Bone scale mail is not optimal for GLDs either. Dodoskin harness is the only other viable option.

I don't get why bronze hauby sells for over 100k though. Should be 50k tops, mainly because of all the earth shards/crystals it takes.


How much defense and evasion do you end up getting from the hauby at your rank?


Enough to warrant wearing it. As for evasion, well ***** evasion.
#62 Oct 14 2010 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Someone needs to make me a Bowman's Tunic. I bet those look way cooler.
#63 Oct 15 2010 at 1:15 AM Rating: Excellent
I use gear that's slightly above my level but most of it is suited for me at the same time. The only true piece of gear I use that isn't is a pair of dodoskin workboots. I'd use something better, but I just can't stand the look of wearing breeches and duckbills together. It's godawful... Sorry, but it is... But yea I can understand the stupidity in wearing really powerful gear at a weak level. I spotted a 14 GLA decked out in high level stuff (24-27) and had to wonder what their repair bill must be like... I've found I haven't had to repair my equipment too frequently since I wear equipment at or close to my current rank. I even bought/made some proper crafting gear and all I can say is my success rate at some items has been so much better than without it.
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#64 Oct 15 2010 at 1:22 AM Rating: Excellent
Everyone looks good in a bronze haubergeon, even casters. Especially if it's a bronze haubergeon made by me. The only time they won't look good in a bronze haubergeon is when I start churning out iron haubergeons, at which point bronze haubergeons will be stupid.
#65 Oct 15 2010 at 1:23 AM Rating: Good
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Pikko wrote:
You know what I look stupid in? Hempen Tights. I looked up what I could make from Hemp for myself and then I put them on. It looked like I took my pants off instead.


Reminds me of something...
Robin Hood - Men In Tights

Also subligars didn't change. They still look so wrong on male chars...

On topic:
I noticed that I had lower defense and evasion with gear 5 or more levels higher than my class level than with pieces that were same level or a few levels lower, even though the higher level gear had higher defense and evasion on it.
It seems to be more of a level range system. If you wear gear of a lower or the same level as your class rank you can use its stats 100%. If you wear higher level gear you can't use the full potential reducing the stats you recieve from it.

So, running around as GLA15 with a level 27 Bronze Haubergeon you might not see increased stats compared to a Dodoskin Harness or even a Sheepskin Harness.
Maybe someone could confirm this?
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#66 Oct 15 2010 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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I'm one of the 14 proud GLA's on my server wearing Sentinel's Chainmail. Hooray! 14 is just a random number I chose. I've seen maybe 3 people wearing it and 2 people selling it.

In all seriousness though, it is pretty ridiculous to see rank 10-15's wearing the Haubergeon.
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#67 Oct 15 2010 at 2:26 AM Rating: Decent
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R18 MRD -- I get better stats from Bronze Haubergeon than from Bone Scale Mail.

Maybe when I get a few more leatherworker levels I'll try Bronze Scale Mail. I get the feeling it will have the edge for a rank or two. What the deuce am I supposed to wear?
#68 Oct 15 2010 at 2:43 AM Rating: Good
With so little armor to wear in the game it's no surprise why people are flocking to wearing Bronze Haubys.

Not to mention almost everyone wants stat boosts no matter how small they may be.
Once they add more low level armor recipes I think we will see a bigger diversity in the game.
However, there are so many on each server now and money is ridiculously easy to come by in this game, I can't say I blame them.
Just like with the gemstone rings, I can bet you people will be buying those up ASAP just to get the extra little stat bonus until hitting Opt. Rank for said item.

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#69 Oct 15 2010 at 3:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Mithsavvy wrote:
in FFXI if you didn't have "expensive" gear you were considered to be gimped. Now that FFXIV will allow you to equip gear above your level it has become apparent that it was never really about being gimped after all. It's really only about showing off your expensive gear.


It took you 8 years to figure that out?

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 6:17am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#70 Oct 15 2010 at 3:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm with him,
Stop trying to ruin a good thing I got going here. Also I don't have to see all those Elezan running around in subligars anymore.
on a side note I'm using an iron Labry since it was the only weapon I didn't sell yet for my 12 marauder lol
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#71 Oct 15 2010 at 5:24 AM Rating: Default
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Mithsavvy wrote:
It was cool looking when it was unique. Now the entire server is full of level 15 gladiators proudly gimping themselves for the sake of fashion.

It's kind of funny because in FFXI if you didn't have "expensive" gear you were considered to be gimped. Now that FFXIV will allow you to equip gear above your level it has become apparent that it was never really about being gimped after all. It's really only about showing off your expensive gear.



u mad?
#72 Oct 15 2010 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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As FFXI was all about party play, it was important that everyone was appropriatley geared.

As most people do there own thing in this game, who gives a rats *** what they want to wear.

#73 Oct 15 2010 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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RidingBean wrote:

Also subligars didn't change. They still look so wrong on male chars...

This is exactly why I rolled a female character this time around. I still have nightmares of my Elvaan DRG running around in subligar.
#74 Oct 15 2010 at 10:02 AM Rating: Default
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BaseVilliN wrote:
R18 MRD -- I get better stats from Bronze Haubergeon than from Bone Scale Mail.

Maybe when I get a few more leatherworker levels I'll try Bronze Scale Mail. I get the feeling it will have the edge for a rank or two. What the deuce am I supposed to wear?



This is what I'm trying to figure out. I'm wearing some rank 17 leather, and I'm wondering if buying a hauby would be an upgrade or not. I'll probably just end up going with dodoskin harness as my next piece as I'm a leatherworker. Sadly everyone just keeps comparing it to their "old" gear without saying what their "old" gear actually was... The above helps, thanks.
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#75 Oct 15 2010 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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SoumaKyou wrote:
RidingBean wrote:

Also subligars didn't change. They still look so wrong on male chars...

This is exactly why I rolled a female character this time around. I still have nightmares of my Elvaan DRG running around in subligar.

At the lower levels, I give up on subligars. Not gonna roll a female character just so I don't feel ridiculous wearing those things. >_< Maaaaaybe if I had rolled a Taru/Lalafell...but no. Pants or nothing! Even just plain underwear as a Highlander looks better.
#76 Oct 15 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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I started using my iron alembic at 18 alc. It went to 50% durability after grinding out just 1 level.

My brass alembic - on the other hand - went to 50% durability after grinding from 12-18.

So wearing non-appropriate gear carries a heavy durability penalty, I would say.

Since it cost me more than 12K at npc to repair my iron alembic - I am going back to brass for at least part of 19-20. I can't afford that kind of repair bill.
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#77 Oct 15 2010 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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RufuSwho wrote:
The Bronze Chain Coif looks far worse.

Next up, Iron Haubergeons.

You are complaining that everyone playing the tank class is wearing the best available armor?

Uh, you don't see the conflict there?

Edit: Also, I would suggest finding a better adjective for your thread title. Calling people stupid is something I teach my 5-year olds not to do. It indicates a lack of the ability to express your thoughts clearly. Stupid is a subjective word, and doesn't really apply to looks, but rather actions.

Didn't you see Forest Gump?

I boo you thoroughly.

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 3:47pm by RufuSwho



I stopped reading aftre this post.... the tears streaming from my laughter filled eyes prevent me from reading further. Well done that man!
#78 Oct 15 2010 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
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I'm going to say this now. I'm only a rank 18 gld. However, on my server I found an Iron Haubergeon (rank 37) for 120k gil. I wasn't going to buy it, but after comparing it to my dodskin armor I made the switch. Even at just rank 18, I gained over 40 defense, 20 magic defense, and 15 resilience along w/ 6 str. That seems pretty substantial to me. I've also noticed that it is very durable compared to other items. Am I missing something here?

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 12:35am by BartelX
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#79 Oct 16 2010 at 4:07 AM Rating: Good
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BartelX wrote:
I'm going to say this now. I'm only a rank 18 gld. However, on my server I found an Iron Haubergeon (rank 37) for 120k gil. I wasn't going to buy it, but after comparing it to my dodskin armor I made the switch. Even at just rank 18, I gained over 40 defense, 20 magic defense, and 15 resilience along w/ 6 str. That seems pretty substantial to me. I've also noticed that it is very durable compared to other items. Am I missing something here?

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 12:35am by BartelX

Not missing a thing. The argument against wearing a Hauby at a lower rank is crap. This same thing popped up like 5 days ago...
It scales extremely well. Defense upgrade is huge compared to appropriate rank gear. Cost is reasonable(I paid 115k). It's extremely common(Due to the above) compared to any of the Scale Mails(Seen one person wear one, not a single one sold). The durability is fantastic. I've lost 1.3k in a week. I lost 2k~ on my Canvas Tunic in far less time(Also above rank).

Hauby is a fantastic piece, all there is to it. Yes, it's kinda generic now(Everything, but those Scale mail, are generic by now. The game is Olde already), but so were Hauby's in XI, or SH's, or Perle/Aurore/Teal now. That has nothing to do with it's worth as a piece.
Mithsavvy wrote:
It was cool looking when it was unique.

That's just stupid. Things don't look cool only while they're unique. Your opinion on something that's "Cool Looking" shouldn't change so **** easily. That's worse then the supposed sheep rushing to buy a hauby.

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Maaaaaybe if I had rolled a Taru/Lalafell...but no. Pants or nothing! Even just plain underwear as a Highlander looks better.

It's actually more disturbing on a Lalafell. They have a lot of...buttcheek hanging out while wearing a Subligar(Either ***). Feels more wrong then wearing it on any other race. Bought some crappy pants for 20k just so I didn't have to see my characters *** shake while running.

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 5:08am by Uchitoru
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