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#52 Oct 15 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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They also added another 30 days free trial. Which is like saying "sorry we messed up release"


Dunno if someone has asked this yet but, for those who isn't playing FFXIV yet, will they be getting a 60day trail? Or is the extra 30 just for those who are already playing.


As long as they pay for a character slot before oct 25, they'll get the free 30 days is my understanding. Hope this helps :)
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#53 Oct 15 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Default
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everyone knows by now all the changes in the short coming future. no need to keep making new threads about the same thing over and over.
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everyone knows by now all the changes in the short coming future. no need to keep making new threads about the same thing over and over.


I think a bunch of us made threads all at the same time. I made this 5 or 10min after i got twitter-texted the updates. Before i opened new thread i don't think there were any topics on this (maybe 1) and after i posted there were like 5.
#55 Oct 15 2010 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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Cause you totally know that they didn't look at any forum but the feedback ones right? And that they only looked at ZAM feedback forums, nowhere else right?


lol. how the **** do any of us know what forums they look at? wtf =x


I know and agree, that was such a goofy assertion. Like SE magically, selectively, only looked at a certain forum and certain posters, none of the "whiners or ************* right? Nonsense.
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The same thing I've said before, I'll wait to assess the December patch until it's actually released. Assuming something will happen just because SE told you it will happen is naive. (RNG enmity patch anyone?).
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Cause you totally know that they didn't look at any forum but the feedback ones right? And that they only looked at ZAM feedback forums, nowhere else right?


lol. how the **** do any of us know what forums they look at? wtf =x


I know and agree, that was such a goofy assertion. Like SE magically, selectively, only looked at a certain forum and certain posters, none of the "whiners or ************* right? Nonsense.


Yeah ... it would be totally crazy to suggest the devs read the forum which is described this way:

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Edited, Oct 15th 2010 4:08pm by Olorinus
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#58 Oct 15 2010 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Cause you totally know that they didn't look at any forum but the feedback ones right? And that they only looked at ZAM feedback forums, nowhere else right?


The XIV Feedback and Suggestion forums here were put in place specifically so SE staff don't have to sort through the piles of mundane chatter and other related pap that tends to overflow the general, yet instead of using the feedback forums people were barfing their disdain here. Hence...whining in the wrong place.

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 4:11pm by Aurelius
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:

The XIV Feedback and Suggestion forums here were put in place specifically so SE staff don't have to sort through the piles of mundane chatter and other related pap that tends to overflow the general, yet instead of using the feedback forums people were barfing their disdain here. Hence...whining in the wrong place.


Exactly. The difference between complaining and constructive criticism is constructive criticism was placed in the feedback forums. Those who made endless copies of the same b^tch and whine thread in the general forum have done nothing but make the general forum a lame place to hang out and a boring mound of drivel to read.

The best thing that happened in a long time was the advent of the "complaints department." I can't thank the admins enough for that.



Edited, Oct 15th 2010 4:17pm by Olorinus
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:

The XIV Feedback and Suggestion forums here were put in place specifically so SE staff don't have to sort through the piles of mundane chatter and other related pap that tends to overflow the general, yet instead of using the feedback forums people were barfing their disdain here. Hence...whining in the wrong place.


Exactly. The difference between complaining and constructive criticism is constructive criticism was placed in the feedback forums. Those who made endless copies of the same b^tch and whine thread in the general forum have done nothing but make the general forum a lame place to hang out and a boring mound of drivel to read.

The best thing that happened in a long time was the advent of the "complaints department." I can't thank the admins enough for that.



Edited, Oct 15th 2010 4:17pm by Olorinus


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#61 Oct 15 2010 at 5:25 PM Rating: Excellent
So let me get this straight... You can go in, enter in the name of the thing you want (enter in the name right? Not already have one in your inventory to search for?) and it will look through all the retainers, gather a list of the ones selling the items, but INSTEAD OF giving you that list with prices for you to purchase off of, they instead do not give you the list but go back and put a dot on the names of the retainers who have the item and then you have to go search every retainer with the dot for prices?

(I accidentally this in the wrong thread.) :(

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 4:41pm by digitalcraft
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#62 Oct 15 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Cherbr wrote:
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it won't be implemented till november or december
That's a pretty crucial point you're glossing over.

By the way:

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Currently, we are focusing on addressing the issues about which players have been most vocal
To those who wanted people who had complaints to shut up, f*ck you, and you're welcome for fixing the game for you.


Ya, because the ongoing snivelfest in forums that SE didn't even read were instrumental to all of this. That's what most of us were referring to...sniveling crybabies sh*tting up the general forums here with repetitive whining. You can pretend that carrying on like a 2nd grade crack kiddie who just had their cookie taken away in places that SE wasn't drawing feedback from was helpful if that's what you need to do. Just don't expect too many people to take you seriously. You're the numpty who went on and on and on from your high horse about how you weren't going to play because it was trash and SE blew it so you're not playing and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH duh herpa derp WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

How's your rank 17 marauder, btw?


A million times this. You're deluding yourself if you think the ******** on here means sh*t all. What probably helped more than anything was the smarter people that sent in real feedback through the official feedback form on SE's site. Find it yourself, I've posted it before and I'm not posting it again.

Same thing for the people that think the reviews that came out made @#%^ all difference to what SE had planned and knew had to be fixed. They may have caused SE to make the official post regarding what they're working on but its hardly the reason for them fixing the things that are wrong.

And to anyone whining about it taking them till late November to get the patch ready. If its so easy to create an MMO and create balanced patches without @#%^ing anything else up you can go ahead an do that. Fire me a PM with the finished product by next week.

Disclaimer: Yes they rushed the release. Yes the game has issues. If you don't want to play a "paid beta" come back in 6 months or quit altogether and stop plugging up the forums with crap.


This, imo ppl with a full brain send SE feedback through the form on the service and support site (its not hard to find), ppl with half a brain post in feedback forums and ppl with no brain post in general forums.

Do you really thing SE wanna look through loads of posts saying OMG why cant I play, or Will this PC run ffxiv etc etc, They have better things to spend money on than have people looking in general forums for feedback, trolls to see what to fix.

And I am expecting about 300 PMs with links to download full HD 3d MMOs with big maps (yes I have noticed the copy and paste in xiv) also this amount of classes with no issues at all and there will be no complaints in 1 week from everyone crying about how long its taking.

ps. I do want PMs for links to MMOs ppl have made if its so easy.
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#63 Oct 15 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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it won't be implemented till november or december
That's a pretty crucial point you're glossing over.

By the way:

Square Enix wrote:
Currently, we are focusing on addressing the issues about which players have been most vocal
To those who wanted people who had complaints to shut up, f*ck you, and you're welcome for fixing the game for you.

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 9:47am by bsphil


Personally, I didn't think legitimate complaints should be stopped, but repetitive beating of dead horses on this general forum... I could have done without. You likely made little difference if all you did was post the millionth post on the ZAM general forum about no AH, for example. I sent in several things through the SE feedback and suggestions. I'm guessing others did also. There is also an actual feedback forum on ZAM for complaints. The reviews probably hit home for SE also, as overly harsh as they may have been.

No, I don't thank those who came here to this forum and posted repetitive badly-worded complaints. You fixed nothing.

As for the actual announcement today, I was shocked they said so much. I'm very happy with what they've promised and how they basically apologized. There are a couple of things missing they haven't mentioned, but the difference by December should be pretty amazing. I'll take that. I'm impressed.

To the OP: I wish I could hope you're right about no more hate threads, but I used to read the ZAM FFXI general forum when I played XI. :/
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#64 Oct 15 2010 at 10:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Fix the stupid limited range when buying items from bazaar. Here's something that's so outrageously stupid that they haven't bothered to fix.

Most players bazaar, most players also run around with bazaar on. If you check a bazaar, you're forced to stop and stand still, people bazaaring will not stop for you to check their wares. They run out of range, you can't buy their **** cuz you're too far. WTF? SE can't you see the inherent issue here? compounded by your lag, and ultimately having to shout for people to stop running is a stupid stupid way to buy stuff from bazaar.
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Hmm, late November, imagine that, just in time for the console release. Too little, too late from a paid beta perspective.


Did you also miss the part where they're giving us an additional 30 days free (60 total now)? Can't really call it a "paid" beta when it's free.

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 9:31am by Hydragyrum


Oh, so you DIDN'T pay the money for the retail copy?

Oh... you did.

Thought so. You're still in paid beta, fool.
#66 Oct 15 2010 at 11:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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To be fair, we have to give them some time to fix everything. At least they are fixing major issues first. Chocobos and airships can wait since we can teleport everywhere almost. Quivers would be nice, but i wouldn't say it's a game breaking problem. Mailbox is a big deal, and i hope that it finds it's way to the game soon.


You know what I'd like even more than a mail system? Being able to swap items between your different character's Retainers.

Also, Miqo'te Flakes of Millioncorn.

It's time.
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#67 Oct 16 2010 at 12:22 AM Rating: Good
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Thank you complainers (Video game reviewing sites inculded) You are helping to MAKE SE shape this game into something we can all enjoy!
Exactly. Had people not spoken out (aka "complained) and made it apparent to SE that we wont put up with it, none of this would have happened.

It wasn't all the love being sent SE's way that made them give the extended free month, or the glowing praise that made them step up their communication with the community.

This thread reminds me of the threads during closed beta where someone would post legitimate negative feedback about an aspect of the game, and an army of SE-defenders would pick up their pitchforks and torches, and proceed to post numerous replies of how it will all be fixed at launch, that it's only beta, that SE knew what they were doing, etc. Heaven forbid a tester gives negative feedback during the testing period in which they were seeking tester feedback.
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I'm sorry if this goes against what you want to believe, and believe me when I say that I hope that everything IS actually fixed. I really, really do. However.... I will believe it when I see it. I have been an SE customer for too long to just blindly believe what they say they are going to do. And honestly, after this long, and after all the **** they have pulled in the past, it concerns me that just because they post this that you believe everything is just going to get better.

Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I like to think of it as I am more realistic. The fix's will probably cause problems in ways unforeseen right now. Or, it'll be delayed, or forgotten, and then they wont even comment on it again. This is the kind of thing SE does. This is what you should pretty much expect.

If things then fixed, well then that is great, and I will be glad to to be wrong. But honestly I am not holding my breath for a miracle when I know **** well SE tends to only deliver half of what is expected by the playerbase.
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This, imo ppl with a full brain send SE feedback through the form on the service and support site (its not hard to find), ppl with half a brain post in feedback forums and ppl with no brain post in general forums.

Do you really thing SE wanna look through loads of posts saying OMG why cant I play, or Will this PC run ffxiv etc etc, They have better things to spend money on than have people looking in general forums for feedback, trolls to see what to fix.

That's actually an extremely good use of their time and money.

Discussion forums are where the real opinions on games come out. Not in sanitized feedback forms that most players don't even realize exist. A daily scan of the threads on a site like Zam gives you the uncensored and informal thoughts of real players followed by (most importantly) the responses of the community. Any MMO developer with half a brain has a person or two for each region working full time gathering feedback exactly like this.

It seems to me that SE has claimed in the past that they read forums, but today was the first time I actually believed it.
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They've posted a couple times on the FFXI forums. Though how often they read I don't know.
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So basically the game should have been released in December, all they did is relies an incomplete game, took bad reviews, and now they are fixing it.
Why didn’t they wait till December then?

Anyway, back to constructive feedback:
Anima fix? Not the big issue of traveling we have, running from camp to camp takes 20 min minimum, anima dos not fix this, where is my chocopo?
Search throw bazaar? Come on, I search with a menu you give me then you mark these bazaars for me to go click on them to buy? More time waist to me running from bazaar to bazaar to see witch price is lower, and have to go in every city and ward to look for what I want? No this is not a fix, this is turning around the problem and not fixing it, you want to fix it and not have an AH, then allow us to buy items from the search menu that contains all wards in all cities.
Repair? People ignore repair now, its not worth it, what's a 2-5k reword on a repair when I can make 20k in a guildleve? How do I even know if this person needs repair or not? His bazaar is always up, as everyone else, make the bazaar icon color different for persons need repair, lower the repair cost and add a function to repair all gear, and for god sake allow us to repair our gear without the need to take them off, un equip> bazaar> equip, if someone want to repair all his gear in bazaar he must go naked?
If I have more than one character why can't I share my retainers? If I want to swap gear I have to ask a friend to hold them for me?


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No auto attack is still a deal breaker for me.

Pushing 1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-2 over and over and over is unfun.
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#73 Oct 16 2010 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Searchable retainers, inventory sorting, improved UI? HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!

They actually listened AND assured players that the fixes were coming? I'm amazed.
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well for ppl that pre-ordered, you will still have free trial when the game starts to be worked out. but these issues should have been already fixed at release.
they should have let beta run until end of the year.
ppl are still gonna need to buy the game, but no one is yet p2p:ing which is good i guess.
for those that order now, they will play for free until 2011 kinda, which is nice.

But i'd still rather wait until AFTER the issues are fixed, and play an enjoyable game for a month, instead of wasting free month on beta testing.

As of now, i dont think i'll play XIV at all, but maybe next year, until Tera comes. if that fails, XIV might be great by then :)
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Did you also miss the part where they're giving us an additional 30 days free (60 total now)? Can't really call it a "paid" beta when it's free.

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 9:31am by Hydragyrum [/quote]


The box wasnt free. And just to flame you, all these changes and the additional free days goes to show that fanbois dont matter. Disgruntled normal players and bad reviews is whats getting us action, not your brownnosing.
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The advertising move or just bad translation I was referring to, is them calling it a 'free trial period' which is is NOT. I only harp on it because fans have picked up the mistake and perpetuate it.

SoumaKyou "It's pretty stupid that you don't realize this." Right back at you buddy.

Every other major mmo includes 30 days in the box. NOT every other mmo incorrectly calls that free 30 days a 'free trial'. A free trial is NOT pay 50-75 dollars to be in a post release beta. A free trial is paying nothing to play the game for 10-14 days free with a download or something to tempt you to play the game.



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to OP... if we stop complaining things wont change. 5 years into the future if the games still around if were not complaining it will be the same game. We want change. change is good.
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Mature , constructive criticism is what motivates SE just as much as any other business. Ranters, Flamers and Complainers don't. Hats off to SE for making improvements and a free month additional play, wasn't necessary, I was gonna stick around anyway.

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 7:54am by NomBrynn
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Mature , constructive criticism is what motivates SE just as much as any other business. Ranters, Flamers and Complainers don't.



"Mature , constructive criticism" doesn't do squat for SE - we've had 8 years experience with that. And why would it? Looking at what you said, likely there are some things about the game that you don't like, but if they don't bother you enough to stop playing, then why should it bother SE enough to fix them?



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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
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Cause you totally know that they didn't look at any forum but the feedback ones right? And that they only looked at ZAM feedback forums, nowhere else right?


lol. how the **** do any of us know what forums they look at? wtf =x


I know and agree, that was such a goofy assertion. Like SE magically, selectively, only looked at a certain forum and certain posters, none of the "whiners or ************* right? Nonsense.


Yeah ... it would be totally crazy to suggest the devs read the forum which is described this way:

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FFXIV Feedback Forum: Use this forum for specific feedback and suggestions to the developer, not the players. This forum will be monitored by the game developers.





Edited, Oct 15th 2010 4:08pm by Olorinus


Right, cause if I say and describe something on the internet, it's TOTALLY true right? Let's see what I actually said vs. what you claimed...oh look there! BZZZZT! You made some MAGICAL claim that SE got no feedback from anywhere else and I said that was a ridiculous assertion, which it is. The problem is you are being exclusive on what SE is doing based on magical fairyland wishes and assertions; just because it says they monitor that forum doesn't mean they ONLY monitor that forum and that they DIDN'T look at any other sites and their complaining. This is SE; cancelled accounts and LOST money speak volumes more than well-thought out feedback posts that someone has to translate for the devs anyway, which then a CEO tells them to ignore (hyperbole for humor's sake on that last part).

History is not on your side for SE listening to player feedback in a timely fashion.
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I don't think I'll ever get the "sh*ttin' up" hatred some are expressing.

For those who've played XI, SE's official feedback options were rather laughable in terms of productivity. Many cynically felt it just went straight to the recycle bin given how little frequently complained about issues changed over time. To this day, a lot still exist where "fixes" basically came via abandoning content for the next shiny that'd later be forgotten again a year later.

Even with a dedicated forum section, we're left to blind faith on SE's plucking of legitimate beefs without actual conversation. Whether here or in feedback, however, opinions will vary based on what are problems and what aren't. I've never felt that particular form of ********** productive. It's usually the "not a problem" types instigating for whatever antagonistic reason under the assumption they know better. On the other hand, some people don't quite know how to put their issues to words, so more expansive discourse can help solidify their stance, or possibly come to terms with why something may be the way it is outside of the usual "MMOs are time sinks!" tripe some try to justify of the genre's shortcomings.

That said, the collective communication, no matter how concise, superfluous, poorly worded, whiny, or <insert hateful adjective> is still useful in the right hands. SE should be paying people to be these "right hands" and the end result shouldn't be ignorance from either party. While vocal minorities can be annoying with their assertion, there's a fine line between them and an otherwise silent majority finally "having enough" as they say. Some people are AFRAID to speak out because of trolls or they're not confident in their opinions. I know I've lost track of compliments I've received publicly, via PMs, and even in XI from people who played on Fairy when I managed to successfully put their thoughts to words. Ideally, if an individual's motivation behind an idea or gripe is to, in turn, make the game better for the whole, then it should never be considered inherently bad. Of course, that's not a free ride for stupidity, either, which is where the fun of forum discourse can refine things. Blindly mailing SE lacks that.

Otherwise, if you find you don't like the direction a thread is going? Well, click back and pick another. Or maybe play the game if it's worth playing to you. I dunno. I'm sure I don't need to point out the hypocrisy in ******** about *********

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A freakin' men! The hypocritic nature of the "whiners on whiners" was so baffling to me, especially when it was the same snarky condescending attitude of the worst offenders of the rage-quitters.

It's hilarious to see the "If you don't like the game, STFU and GTFO!"; but when the shoe is on the other foot in a thread, of course the hater haters won't just move along their merry way and go somewhere else.
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NomBrynn wrote:
Mature , constructive criticism profit loss and bad press is what motivates SE


ftfy

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 11:08pm by Lobivopis
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#85 Oct 16 2010 at 8:47 PM Rating: Good
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I would put the majority of the "complaining" posts under the category "constructive critisim" personally.

And it worked. that is an indication that if you form concerns with the game in a constructive manner, they listen. So really, don't stop "complaining" :P
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Actually i am incredibly impressed in this news.

This is the first step that literally are listening. Granted they still are missing some minor stuff that some people would like, but it doesn't matter, this is a great start. So many games will never admit there is gaping problems people want resolved, not to mention saying them in 1 big list.

This is very entertaining news for ps3 releasers like me.

Not to mention the extra 30 days is basically saying "yes we f'ed up, but we are doing or best to make up for it". It's rare games admit things like this.
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Nothing wrong with initial complaints. See...it brought about change. Although yes, continuing to complain about the same thing gets a bit old. At least we all get an extra free month along with some fixes.
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I would bet money that Maj. Kong Tanaka was going to surf FFXIV into the ground rather than change "the vision" and it was the higher ups that forced this.

Expect them to do only enough to get the bosses off their backs and no more in regards to changing anything about the game.



Edited, Oct 17th 2010 1:45am by Lobivopis
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If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#89 Oct 16 2010 at 11:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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"Everything will be fixed" is a pretty notoriously monstrosity of a proclamation. Your "Everything will be fixed" has been brought to you by the following complainers:

Anyone that sent feedback.
#90 Oct 17 2010 at 1:22 AM Rating: Default
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Mature , constructive criticism is what motivates SE just as much as any other business. Ranters, Flamers and Complainers don't.



"Mature , constructive criticism" doesn't do squat for SE - we've had 8 years experience with that. And why would it? Looking at what you said, likely there are some things about the game that you don't like, but if they don't bother you enough to stop playing, then why should it bother SE enough to fix them?



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Hats off to SE for making improvements and a free month additional play, wasn't necessary, I was gonna stick around anyway.


You're the type of customer that SE loves, but not the type to whom it listens.


SE is not a person. SE is a company. You had 8 years of a game overseen by Tanaka. Tanaka is not calling the shots with XIV. Komoto is. And so far, he's been doing a much better job than Tanaka did. So you can be a sloppy little resentmonkey all day long and use XI as the source for your cynicism if that's what it takes to make your world go 'round, but intelligent people know otherwise.
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No AH and not abolishing fatigue? Yep, still a pass.
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#92 Oct 17 2010 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent
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No AH and not abolishing fatigue? Yep, still a pass.


You obviously have no clue just how long you need to play every week on one class to hit fatigue. I've hit bonus experience every week since CE launch because I spend most of my time crafting and earn easily 30-50k xp/hour once I have mats in hand and enough shards to go nuts. For skill point fatigue, you need to basically play the game like it's a full time job before you run into issues. And I've said it before but it obviously bears repeating: there will not be an AH added to XIV any time soon (if ever). People holding out hope for one are barking up the wrong tree.
#93 Oct 17 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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They fixed it all except mailbox. I mean it won't be implemented till november or december but point is by christmas 95% of the complaints will be solved


Wow talk about only reading what you want to read. Read again dumbass. The major fixes arent coming until AFTER the December update. Basically SE told everyone what they already know. That they are fixing the major issues and we can expect them some time in the next 6 months. Nothing has changed other than peoples assumptions being right.

This by no means makes the game any better or any more ready to be released. It's still a pile of trash that shouldnt even be in beta yet.

But yeah you are a dumbass for only reading what you wanted to hear. Read between the lines...the major fixes arent until AFTER December.
#94 Oct 17 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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If its so easy to create an MMO and create balanced patches without @#%^ing anything else up you can go ahead an do that. Fire me a PM with the finished product by next week.
Derp? SE has tremendous resources compared to most MMO developers and they spent 5 years working on it.

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The XIV Feedback and Suggestion forums here were put in place specifically so SE staff don't have to sort through the piles of mundane chatter and other related pap that tends to overflow the general, yet instead of using the feedback forums people were barfing their disdain here. Hence...whining in the wrong place.


Exactly. The difference between complaining and constructive criticism is constructive criticism was placed in the feedback forums. Those who made endless copies of the same b^tch and whine thread in the general forum have done nothing but make the general forum a lame place to hang out and a boring mound of drivel to read.

The best thing that happened in a long time was the advent of the "complaints department." I can't thank the admins enough for that.
Yeah, leave the whining about complaining to the general forum.

Edited, Oct 17th 2010 12:35pm by bsphil
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#95 Oct 17 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Derp? SE has tremendous resources compared to most MMO developers and they spent 5 years working on it.


Oh come now, let's be honest here. Four of those five years were spent attempting to make a great graphical engine instead of just leasing a filthy gaijin one.
#96 Oct 17 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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LOL @ people that think SE listens to feedback.

Only bad press will get results with SE. If you had played FFXI for 8 years you would know this.



Edited, Oct 18th 2010 1:38am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#97 Oct 17 2010 at 10:47 PM Rating: Good
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StrijderVechter wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Derp? SE has tremendous resources compared to most MMO developers and they spent 5 years working on it.


Oh come now, let's be honest here. Four of those five years were spent attempting to make a great graphical engine instead of just leasing a filthy gaijin one.


And they would have been better off just leasing CryEngine. Compare the new Aion 2.0 graphics update to FFXIV. Putting aside gameplay Aion running on CryEngine 2 completely smokes FFXIV as far as graphics quality concerned and it runs with higher FPS than FFXIV on equivalent hardware too.

Crytek's development toolkit allows you write your game on all three platforms at once. You just design your content for the PC version and it will scale your assets to work on the PS3 and 360 versions of CryEngine. There would be no 6 month wait for the PS3 version.




Edited, Oct 18th 2010 1:48am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#98 Oct 17 2010 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:


SE is not a person. SE is a company. You had 8 years of a game overseen by Tanaka. Tanaka is not calling the shots with XIV. Komoto is. And so far, he's been doing a much better job than Tanaka did. So you can be a sloppy little resentmonkey all day long and use XI as the source for your cynicism if that's what it takes to make your world go 'round, but intelligent people know otherwise. They'll get it right this time for sure!
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#99 Oct 18 2010 at 2:08 AM Rating: Good
It's great they've given a free month, said they're going to fix all this stuff, but only issue, they've already lost a lot of people. Of the 15-20 people on my friends list, about 2 remain. The rest said to **** with this game, they don't even care about the extra free month. This was the issue with releasing such a poor quality game from the get go, you lose a ton of people who won't bother giving it a second chance. Even myself, I find I'm playing less and less everyday cause these nuances are becoming more and more irritating. "Just wait until December!" Ok, can we really believe they're going to fix this many issues?

The other problem is, how exactly are they going to address these issues, what they have in mind to fix something is often times not at all what the player base is thinking. I guess at this point, I'm cautiously optimistic they will fix the majority of the glaring problems. Though, seeing how it's costing me nothing to keep this game until the end of November, I'll log on after their updates to see if they truly do anything worthwhile. So far there's been what, 2-3 updates? They've accomplished next to nothing in making the game any better. The Market Wards update was a serious joke, and anyone who thinks it was a huge step towards something significantly better, has some issues.

I still think Gamespot hit it bang on when they said: "Updates may address a multitude of flaws, but "fun" is not a feature that can be added with a simple patch."
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...imo ppl with a full brain send SE feedback through the form on the service and support site (its not hard to find), ppl with half a brain post in feedback forums and ppl with no brain post in general forums.
I've done all three. >_<

Constructive feedback is great but sometimes you just need to vent, ya know? AFAIK we're all humans and subject to frustration, annoyance and anger.

I'm also HOPING they 'fix' everything but having released a game in this state in the first place makes it seem unlikely. If SE gave a **** about quality they would have just released it when it was properly completed and ready to ship. They did not.

Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
I still think Gamespot hit it bang on when they said: "Updates may address a multitude of flaws, but "fun" is not a feature that can be added with a simple patch."
I won't lie, imo the fun is THERE... is just buried under so many layers of unnecessary obstacles, poorly implemented systems and staggeringly horrid design choices that ... well ****, maybe its NOT there! Was I imagining it?

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 8:23am by Timorith
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Lobivopis wrote:
LOL @ people that think SE listens to feedback.

Only bad press will get results with SE. If you had played FFXI for 8 years you would know this.
If you are so angry about their politics why don't you stay away from them then?, as far as you have stated you don't even play the game, but you are here still to unnecessary exaggerate every flaw (minor or mayor) this game has.

If you are looking to increase the game quality by complaining it, it won't happen, while I can't call you ignorant, you indeed lack of the basic manner to be taken seriously.

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